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Dark Knight Rises Spoiler Podcast
In-depth discussion of the trilogy ender

24 July 2012  |  Written by Ali Plumb  

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The Dark Knight Rises has finally arrived in cinemas, and with it a huge number of questions - questions that we here at Empire have attempted to answer here in our special spoiler podcast.

So prepare your Bane impressions and get ready for almost 40 minutes of plot points, plot holes and general Batman-related movie chat with Chris Hewitt, James Dyer, Nick de Semlyen and our resident Bat-expert, Dan Jolin.

And for previous spoiler podcasts, check out this Avengers one (featuring Marvel head honcho Kevin Feige) and this Amazing Spider-Man one (featuring producers Avi Arad and Matt Tolmach), both of which are absolute must-listens.

P.S. Here's the link to our iTunes page, the link to our SoundCloud account and finally our RSS feed, so you can subscribe to the Empire Podcast whichever way you like.


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Ending shots
I think the ending could have been improved if we hadn't seen the table with Bruce and Selina - instead showing Alfred looking up, clearly looking at the table he always looks at, and giving some kind of a knowing smile. Cut to credits. More ambiguity and can easily be read either way. More

Posted by mmmpieisgood at 14:16 on 09 August 2012 | Report This Post

RE: The Dark Knight Rises Spoiler Podcast
Apologies for the spoiler. I thought the title was already about spoilers and the previous posts about "making a case for batman surbiving" and the funeral talk. But apologies anyway. More

Posted by AaronGallagher1 at 08:33 on 31 July 2012 | Report This Post

The Ending
The boys suggested that TDKR has a similar ending to Avengers but if you remember very well, they all have an eerily similar ending to Angels n Demons where the carmelengo takes the bomb into the sky and parachutes down. Dan Brown is the originator of such endings. More

Posted by Oyin at 19:48 on 30 July 2012 | Report This Post

RE: The Dark Knight Rises Spoiler Podcast
Just changing the title for the forum, just in-case. EDIT: Nicely done, FilmFan - great minds and all that. More

Posted by Ref at 12:33 on 29 July 2012 | Report This Post

The Dark Knight Rises Spoiler Podcast
Just changing the thread title back so no-one is spoiled whilst browsing the index. Seriously, shame on you, AaronGallagher1! More

Posted by Filmfan 2 at 12:30 on 29 July 2012 | Report This Post

RE: Is he not Dead!
L: AaronGallagher1 I must say my assumption was that when Alfred sees Bruce Wayne at the end, it was just him imagining it as per his story earlier told to Bruce. This was just him day dreaming that Bruce had found hapiness with a wife. Sorry if this is not an original idea put out there. t was a widespread idea that seemed to originally come from people who'd missed part of the end of the film. Fox/auto-pilot, Gordon on the roof etc. More

Posted by elab49 at 10:34 on 29 July 2012 | Report This Post

Is he not Dead!
I must say my assumption was that when Alfred sees Bruce Wayne at the end, it was just him imagining it as per his story earlier told to Bruce. This was just him day dreaming that Bruce had found hapiness with a wife. Sorry if this is not an original idea put out there. More

Posted by AaronGallagher1 at 11:17 on 28 July 2012 | Report This Post

Is he not Dead!
I must say my assumption was that when Alfred sees Bruce Wayne at the end, it was just him imagining it as per his story earlier told to Bruce. This was just him day dreaming that Bruce had found hapiness with a wife. Sorry if this is not an original idea put out there. More

Posted by AaronGallagher1 at 09:27 on 28 July 2012 | Report This Post

I am unsure if I liked this film. I loved the other 2. On the plus side I love the continuity of all 3. 1 story over 3 films. Also loved the return of batman sequence and the first fight with bane. On the minus side not enough batman. Also massive plotholes. How can a person recover from a broken back in 5 months. How was he able to make the climb and jump with his bad knee. I also think he should have died at the end. More

Posted by smcdonagh at 15:46 on 25 July 2012 | Report This Post

RE: Auto pilot
L: sowasred2012 OK - so he fixed the autopilot on the bat, great. What I wonder is, what 'bat' were the tech guys looking at later? Was it the original bat? Unlikely, because that means it survived the blast and then flew back to Gotham with nobody noticing. So that suggests there was more than one bat, in which case: A: why did Bruce bother fixing the auto pilot on all of the other ones too? and B: did Bane simply not notice all of these flying machines lying around in the lab More

Posted by jobloffski at 13:45 on 25 July 2012 | Report This Post

RE: Auto pilot
L: sowasred2012 L: waltham1979 L: sowasred2012 OK - so he fixed the autopilot on the bat, great. What I wonder is, what 'bat' were the tech guys looking at later? Was it the original bat? Unlikely, because that means it survived the blast and then flew back to Gotham with nobody noticing. So that suggests there was more than one bat, in which case: A: why did Bruce bother fixing the auto pilot on all of the other ones too? and B: did Bane simply not notice all More

Posted by waltham1979 at 08:39 on 25 July 2012 | Report This Post

RE: Dark Knight Rises Spoiler Podcast
On the subject of the Bat and auto-pilot. Since they were all prototypes, it stands to reason that only the one that came in black was fully functional and the others would only be powered when needed through external power sources that needed to be brought in, preventing their use by Bane etc.. as for them all having auto pilot, all Bruce did was apply a software update to the programming of the machines thereby upgrade them. More

Posted by alamo1 at 06:42 on 25 July 2012 | Report This Post

ign version
the IGN spoilercast sounds like actual film fans talking, where you guys sort of sound like the next table over in an All Bar One. More

Posted by Richard Fi at 22:19 on 24 July 2012 | Report This Post

Bane Death
I liked it to be honest, because you could tell he wasn't about to give a speech, he was going to blow batmans head of, just as quickly as he himself died, he got what was coming to him! More

Posted by Butlerbert at 17:47 on 24 July 2012 | Report This Post

He Survived!
Haven't listened to the podcast but these are my thoughts! The whole first half of the film was showing Bruce in a state of apathy; not caring about the world outside of the four walls of Wayne manor. Then putting his already broken body on the line to face up to Bane's gang, the whole of the GCPD and then finally Bane. At the point, and as pointed out by the doctor in the prison pit, Bruce didn't fear death which is why he couldn't escape the prison, and which is why he couldn't beat Bane. Foll More

Posted by nickcentre12 at 17:45 on 24 July 2012 | Report This Post

RE: Auto pilot
L: waltham1979 L: sowasred2012 OK - so he fixed the autopilot on the bat, great. What I wonder is, what 'bat' were the tech guys looking at later? Was it the original bat? Unlikely, because that means it survived the blast and then flew back to Gotham with nobody noticing. So that suggests there was more than one bat, in which case: A: why did Bruce bother fixing the auto pilot on all of the other ones too? and B: did Bane simply not notice all of these flying machin More

Posted by sowasred2012 at 17:39 on 24 July 2012 | Report This Post

Alfred is left the money from the liquidation, I doubt he wouldn't keep it all, so that would be how Bruce and Selina can live in Italy or wherever. More

Posted by calumnorth at 17:28 on 24 July 2012 | Report This Post

My two pence
Hmm.. well i think and prefer to believe that he survived. Selina was his (and her) way out, and they both road off into the sunset together. 1- Autopilot was a hint to Lucius 2- New light was a hint to Gordon 3 - Map and cave was Bruce passing the torch to Blake 4 - Alfred told him what he wished for at the start of the film, and this was Bruce way of granting it. ---------------- That said being greedy and how i loved the films, i'd rather he stayed as Batman and made Dark Knight 4; b More

Posted by Nickwantstowork at 17:09 on 24 July 2012 | Report This Post

Auto pilot
OK - so he fixed the autopilot on the bat, great. What I wonder is, what 'bat' were the tech guys looking at later? Was it the original bat? Unlikely, because that means it survived the blast and then flew back to Gotham with nobody noticing. So that suggests there was more than one bat, in which case: A: why did Bruce bother fixing the auto pilot on all of the other ones too? and B: did Bane simply not notice all of these flying machines lying around in the lab when he broke in and stole More

Posted by sowasred2012 at 16:41 on 24 July 2012 | Report This Post

Regarding Bane's voice
Great film but for me The Dark Knight takes the title. Regarding Bane's voice, it was mentioned in the podcast that Tom Hardy based it upon Bartley Gorman who was the bare-knuckle boxing world champion. He was featured in a Shane Meadows short documentary years ago. Well worth a watch........King of the Gypsies. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB0_QEh-KVs More

Posted by martjensen at 16:16 on 24 July 2012 | Report This Post

Great podcast :) When I left The Avengers, I was smiling and entertained. When I left Dark Knight Rises, I wanted to watch it again. Immediately! It took me two days, but as mentioned in the podcast, I definitely enjoyed it even more the second time. As the guys mention here, there are so many subtle moments in this film. The one I liked most was the fact that during the very first time we see her, Talia uses a phrase straight out of Ra's Al Ghul mouth in Batman Begins if I;m not mista More

Posted by sirvolkar at 16:12 on 24 July 2012 | Report This Post

Great podcast :) When I left The Avengers, I was smiling and entertained. When I left Dark Knight Rises, I wanted to watch it again. Immediately! It took me two days, but as mentioned in the podcast, I definitely enjoyed it even more the second time. As the guys mention here, there are so many subtle moments in this film. The one I liked most was the fact that during the very first time we see her, Talia uses a phrase straight out of Ra's Al Ghul mouth in Batman Begins if I;m not mista More

Posted by sirvolkar at 15:58 on 24 July 2012 | Report This Post

The End
To make a case for Bruce surviving. The Auto-Pilot plant was revealed when they invested the Bat and Fox was told Bruce Wayne fixed it. More

Posted by rtleeson at 15:28 on 24 July 2012 | Report This Post

The End
To make a case for Bruce surviving. The Auto-Pilot plant was revealed when they invested the Bat and Fox was told Bruce Wayne fixed it. More

Posted by rtleeson at 15:28 on 24 July 2012 | Report This Post

ANSWER TO ANY INCONSISTENCIES
BECAUSE HE'S THE GOD DAMN BATMAN More

Posted by Harry PJ at 15:18 on 24 July 2012 | Report This Post

TDKR
In terms of sheer emotional heft (I cried at the end more than I ever have), Nolan's nailed it I think DK remains the superior film - a tighter, more accessible film. This isn't to suggest DKR isn't completely brilliant but it's certainly more of a 'superhero movie' than DK, which was rooted in something more like reality. DKR's tone is far more closely shared with BB, the odyssean travails (God I sound like a twat) and grand scale of action clearly separate from the world we know. I'm too tire More

Posted by Harry PJ at 15:16 on 24 July 2012 | Report This Post

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