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With all due respect to Mr. Holmes (and with myself being an old timer and all) Ian Holmes is just a bit long in the tooth to be playing the LEAD ROLE in a PG 13 type movie, CGI wrinkle removal or not. They will give the kids someone they can relate to.
Personally, if it were for me to choose, I think Gary Oldman would be the ideal face to fill the roll as he is a character actor of amazing capabilities, quite a bit along the lines of Mr. Holmes himself. But, he's just a bit older himself.
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With all due respect to Mr. Holmes (and with myself being an old timer and all) Ian Holmes is just a bit long in the tooth to be playing the LEAD ROLE in a PG 13 type movie, CGI wrinkle removal or not. They will give the kids someone they can relate to.
Personally, if it were for me to choose, I think Gary Oldman would be the ideal face to fill the roll as he is a character actor of amazing capabilities, quite a bit along the lines of Mr. Holmes himself. But, he's just a bit older himself.
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With all due respect to Mr. Holmes (and with myself being an old timer and all) Ian Holmes is just a bit long in the tooth to be playing the LEAD ROLE in a PG 13 type movie, CGI wrinkle removal or not. They will give the kids someone they can relate to.
Personally, if it were for me to choose, I think Gary Oldman would be the ideal face to fill the roll as he is a character actor of amazing capabilities, quite a bit along the lines of Mr. Holmes himself. But, he's just a bit older himself.
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With all due respect to Mr. Holmes (and with myself being an old timer and all) Ian Holmes is just a bit long in the tooth to be playing the LEAD ROLE in a PG 13 type movie, CGI wrinkle removal or not. They will give the kids someone they can relate to.
Personally, if it were for me to choose, I think Gary Oldman would be the ideal face to fill the roll as he is a character actor of amazing capabilities, quite a bit along the lines of Mr. Holmes himself. But, he's just a bit older himself.
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With all due respect to Mr. Holmes (and with myself being an old timer and all) Ian Holmes is just a bit long in the tooth to be playing the LEAD ROLE in a PG 13 type movie, CGI wrinkle removal or not. They will give the kids someone they can relate to.
Personally, if it were for me to choose, I think Gary Oldman would be the ideal face to fill the roll as he is a character actor of amazing capabilities, quite a bit along the lines of Mr. Holmes himself. But, he's just a bit older himself.
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| Can't be Holmes |
With all due respect to Mr. Holmes (and with myself being an old timer and all) Ian Holmes is just a bit long in the tooth to be playing the LEAD ROLE in a PG 13 type movie, CGI wrinkle removal or not. They will give the kids someone they can relate to.
Personally, if it were for me to choose, I think Gary Oldman would be the ideal face to fill the roll as he is a character actor of amazing capabilities, quite a bit along the lines of Mr. Holmes himself. But, he's just a bit older himself.
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With all due respect to Mr. Holmes (and with myself being an old timer and all) Ian Holmes is just a bit long in the tooth to be playing the LEAD ROLE in a PG 13 type movie, CGI wrinkle removal or not. They will give the kids someone they can relate to.
Personally, if it were for me to choose, I think Gary Oldman would be the ideal face to fill the roll as he is a character actor of amazing capabilities, quite a bit along the lines of Mr. Holmes himself. But, he's just a bit older himself.
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Hey jomo999 in FOTR Bilbo was 111 years old and that was old for a hobbit. How do you think he got to be that old and looking as young as he did? I got an answer for ya, the ring slowed the ageing process. Thier life span is close to humans. Remember in FOTR when Bilbos relitives were banging on the door and Bilbo said that his relitives have not forgave him for living so long. So if 111 years old is not old for a Hobbit why would Bilbo say that? Gollum had the ring for 500 years and his natura More
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Er...firstly to all the people who claim James McEvoy is too youngto play Bilbo - Frodo is 50 years old in FOTR and Elijah Wood certainly doesn't look like a 50yr old man, but a 50 year old hobbit would look relatively young, they have a longer life span.
Second, I think McEvoy would be perfect for the role, he is a terrific actor and would really suit the part. If anything, Holmes is too OLD to reprise the role. More
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| JAMES MCAVOY IS DEAD!!!!... |
...TO ME AS A CHOICE FOR THE HOBBIT. Anyone who has a brain in their head, and has actually read the Hobbit, knows that James McAvoy would be a terrible choice for the Hobbit and the beautiful continuity of the storyline. James McAvoy does NOT look to be in his 50s at all, and he does not have the trademark stature and quirkiness about him that Ian Holms or Toby Jones have inherent, without Makeup. If I hear another James McAvoy recommendation for the Hobbit, I’m going to puke!! Grow up pe More
Posted by Movie Guy at 07:40 on 04 June 2008 | Report This Post |
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| WE FOUND THE HOBBIT |
Tobey Jones would be AWESOME!! He has a humorous quirky look (as is needed in a successful Bilbo), is the right age and size, does not have the anxiety of dying during the shoot attached to him, and is a quality actor to boot! Toby Jones is a photo finish next to Ian Holms. More
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| WE FOUND THE HOBBIT!!!!! |
Tobey Jones would be AWESOME!! He has a humorous quirky look (as is needed in a successful Bilbo), is the right age and size, does not have the anxiety of dying during the shoot attached to him, and is a quality actor to boot! Toby Jones is a photo finish next to Ian Holms. More
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| WE FOUND THE HOBBIT!!!!! |
Tobey Jones would be AWESOME!! He has a humorous quirky look (as is needed in a successful Bilbo), is the right age and size, does not have the anxiety of dying during the shoot attached to him, and is a quality actor to boot! Toby Jones is a photo finish next to Ian Holms. More
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Why does everyone think Mcavoy should play Bilbo in the up coming movies? He looks nothing like Bilbo and I dont see him pulling it off. Holms mannerisms and character will be a difficult task for any actor and then throw someone who doesnt look the part into it doesnt make sense to me.Yes they may not age like us but the way that the LOTR was portraied they do. If Bilbo was 111 and that was really old for a hobbit and that when Gandalf seen him and said "you havent aged a day" that sa More
Posted by tuffluck at 22:41 on 30 May 2008 | Report This Post |
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Why does everyone think Mcavoy should play Bilbo in the up coming movies? He looks nothing like Bilbo and I dont see him pulling it off. Holms mannerisms and character will be a difficult task for any actor and then throw someone who doesnt look the part into it doesnt make sense to me.Yes they may not age like us but the way that the LOTR was portraied they do. If Bilbo was 111 and that was really old for a hobbit and that when Gandalf seen him and said "you havent aged a day" that sa More
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Why does everyone think Mcavoy should play Bilbo in the up coming movies? He looks nothing like Bilbo and I dont see him pulling it off. Holms mannerisms and character will be a difficult task for any actor and then throw someone who doesnt look the part into it doesnt make sense to me.Yes they may not age like us but the way that the LOTR was portraied they do. If Bilbo was 111 and that was really old for a hobbit and that when Gandalf seen him and said "you havent aged a day" that sa More
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Why does everyone think Mcavoy should play Bilbo in the up coming movies? He looks nothing like Bilbo and I dont see him pulling it off. Holms mannerisms and character will be a difficult task for any actor and then throw someone who doesnt look the part into it doesnt make sense to me.Yes they may not age like us but the way that the LOTR was portraied they do. If Bilbo was 111 and that was really old for a hobbit and that when Gandalf seen him and said "you havent aged a day" that sa More
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Hey Tuffluck - remember, in Middle-earth, hobbits don't age like us anyway, and Frodo was also 50 when he left the Shire in FOTR, portrayed by a then 18 yr old Elijah Wood! Having someone like McAvoy would be in keeping with the logic and the family resmblance so to speak, but you can bet your life that Ian Holm will crop up in F2! More
Posted by Halfling at 13:51 on 30 May 2008 | Report This Post |
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In FOTR Bilbo is 111 years old and he has had the ring in his possession for 60 years and if you do the math that would make him 51 years old when he found the ring. So if you put someone in the roll who was in thier 20's or even 30's then they would be to young to play the part. I think it would be a mistake to put anyone else in his spot. Ian holmes is Bilbo and no one can replace him. More
Posted by tuffluck at 04:24 on 30 May 2008 | Report This Post |
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Posted by tuffluck at 04:20 on 30 May 2008 | Report This Post |
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Posted by tuffluck at 04:20 on 30 May 2008 | Report This Post |
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| What's wrong with Holm? |
Ian Holm was Bilbo in LOTR, what's wrong with him playing the character again?
The books say Bilbo is middle aged when he goes on his adventure; Holm played him as middle aged when he found the ring.
The ring slowed his ageing so that he didn't look much older on his 111th birthday party. If he turns up in The Hobbit looking in his 20s or 30s it will completely undermine the first films and the established power of the ring. More
Posted by Dartfordian at 22:34 on 29 May 2008 | Report This Post |
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| RE: Ginger Bilbo!! |
It's bad enough these guys are inflicting the Hobbit on the world anyway, but to have a ginger (Rupert Grint) Bilbo would probably bring about the end of the world. I really hope James McAvoy doesn't do this film. More
Posted by missphoenix at 12:46 on 29 May 2008 | Report This Post |
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i bet he is going to make ron perlman beorn (spl?). bet ya!
i dont think he is right for it so i hope im wrong.
he would be good for smaug though.
or one of the trolls! More
Posted by boove at 17:44 on 28 May 2008 | Report This Post |
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L: wombathog
...or Ron Perlman (as Del Toro will have to put him in there somewhere sp;
Guillermo did mention Ron Perlman in the chat.
"4:18 pm: What are the chances Ron Perlman will be voicing Smog?
GDT: At this time the voice of Smaug is down to a very few choices in my head and I have a completely specific one, Ron has a good chance but I have other plans for RP…"
He'll be therep;
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Posted by livila at 16:10 on 28 May 2008 | Report This Post |
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I'm surprised no-one's mentioned Simon Pegg...or Ron Perlman (as Del Toro will have to put him in there somewhere bsp;
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Posted by wombathog at 12:07 on 28 May 2008 | Report This Post |
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L: deaksey
Oh yes, and Daniel Radcliffe as 'young' Bilbo with Ian Holm doing flashbacks and voiceoversre you kidding? The only Harry Potter kid who should ever be in any other film is Rupert Grint. Daniel Radcliffe would single handedly destroy this film.
I second Toby Jones. More
Posted by hit_or_miss_me at 11:40 on 28 May 2008 | Report This Post |
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L: KlausKinski
Gary Busey..?
...or Vic Armstrong?
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Posted by Acho at 10:32 on 28 May 2008 | Report This Post |
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If I may be so bold as to toss another name into the ring (!) that I sw posted on another site - Toby Jones??? More
Posted by Halfling at 09:36 on 28 May 2008 | Report This Post |
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Some quick thoughts: the two films will cover the time period from when the 5 wizards arrived in Middle Earth (intro bit using Galadriel or Elrond for voice over) to combat Sauron's growing threat to the end of the book appendices bits of ROTK book that covers Aragorn's long life and how he was formerly known as Thorongil in Minas Tirith (that's how Denethor knows who Aragorn is in ROTK film). We'l see more from the White Council (expect Saruman, Galadriel & Celeborn to reprise their roles) More
Posted by deaksey at 03:55 on 28 May 2008 | Report This Post |
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L: Fuchsia29
Justify casting McAvoy?
:D Sorry, I honestly don't know a proper reason! He was just the first name that popped into my head BEFORE I'd even read this thread - how are so many of us thinking along the same lines? There must be some strange gut feeling going on there. I think it's partially because people saw Mr Tumnus and...Bilbo's somewhat similar personality-wise. Plus he looks like a bloody hobbit anyway. The makeup department will save a fortune.
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Posted by roosell at 22:31 on 27 May 2008 | Report This Post |
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L: KlausKinski
Gary Busey..?
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Rather see him as Smaug. They wouldn't even need a dragon. Just sit him on the pile of gold.
Asd for Bilbo - I was imagined a fairly plump 30 year old in the role. McAvoy is just a little too "Hollywood", and I still say his best role has been playing Leto II in Childern of Dune.
Throw me in with the Freeman camp. More
Posted by Rgirvan44 at 18:57 on 27 May 2008 | Report This Post |
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Gary Busey..? More
Posted by KlausKinski at 18:51 on 27 May 2008 | Report This Post |
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Justify casting McAvoy?
:D Sorry, I honestly don't know a proper reason! He was just the first name that popped into my head BEFORE I'd even read this thread - how are so many of us thinking along the same lines? There must be some strange gut feeling going on there. I think it's partially because people saw Mr Tumnus and...Bilbo's somewhat similar personality-wise. Plus he looks like a bloody hobbit anyway. The makeup department will save a fortune.
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Posted by Fuchsia29 at 18:47 on 27 May 2008 | Report This Post |
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Bet ya' money! More
Posted by geoffj981 at 17:54 on 27 May 2008 | Report This Post |
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| It's Jack Black |
Bet ya' money! More
Posted by geoffj981 at 17:51 on 27 May 2008 | Report This Post |
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I’m going to have to agree to differ then. More
Posted by d0m_l at 16:26 on 27 May 2008 | Report This Post |
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I have to disagree with you d0m_I, no matter what effect they use to camoflage Ian Holm as a younger man, the viewers will still know who he is.
I understand your need for perfect continuity in the movies but having an old man play someone in his twenties will turn the hobbit into an unwatchable farce as I'm sure Sir Holm will agree.
James McAvoy does seem like a workable solution to this though. More
Posted by danielcraft at 16:08 on 27 May 2008 | Report This Post |
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I’m not suggesting they try to make him look like he’s in his 20s. Have him look as he does (or as close to as possible) in the Fellowship prologue.
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Posted by d0m_l at 16:00 on 27 May 2008 | Report This Post |
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I can't stand him, Martin Freeman looks a bit hobbit-esque but I can't really picture him in middle earth. Personally i'd rather see Paul Dano in the role or maybe Wesley Snipes... More
Posted by KlausKinski at 15:52 on 27 May 2008 | Report This Post |
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Why would you need to recast Lee? Are you assuming the mans popping his clogs soon? Anyway I imagine if he were to go the way of the Dodo they would just write around the character and not have him appear, which is something they mentioned in the webchat.
I think its very unlikely that Holm will return as Bilbo, his age and physicality make it too unrealistic and I'm sure you would rather have an actor that would better reflect the age than an old man trying to play a 20 something! More
Posted by Scabby at 15:35 on 27 May 2008 | Report This Post |
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People are forgetting at the end of The Hobbit, Gandalf and Balin (he who led the ill-fated expedition to Moria) visit Bilbo many years after the story. This scene can be used for Ian Holm's cameo, while a younger actor portrays Bilbo during most of the film. More
Posted by doctorolorinbats1975 at 15:34 on 27 May 2008 | Report This Post |
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Must admit, that line of dialogue came to me earlier, but going down the SW comparison route - no-one had a problem with McGregor and Sir Alec, though I realise (before you all start shouting!) that there wasn't a flashback scene to be considered. Also, on the subject of McAvoy & Jackson productions, has anyone heard anymore regarding The Dambusters, as I'm sure I heard that he was up for the role of Guy Gibson?? Would he really do both?? On a similar note, Sarum More
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Bad idea! He's already played Mr Tumnus in Narnia. the less we see of him in fantasy land the better! More
Posted by pete_traynor at 15:06 on 27 May 2008 | Report This Post |
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| Holm Sweet Holm |
They have stated that they want continuity over the course of the 5 films so surely it has to be Holm. Not only was he great as Bilbo, Jackson has shown the audience what Bilbo looks like at the time of the Hobbit in the opening of Fellowship. And he looked a lot like Ian Holm. More
Posted by pete_traynor at 15:02 on 27 May 2008 | Report This Post |
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They have stated that they want continuity over the course of the 5 films so surely it has to be Holm. Not only was he great as Bilbo, Jackson has shown the audience what Bilbo looks like at the time of the Hobbit in the opening of Fellowship. And he looked a lot like Ian Holm. More
Posted by pete_traynor at 15:01 on 27 May 2008 | Report This Post |
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If I were Jackson, if a different actor was to take on the role I’d go back and re-edit the opening of Fellowship for the 10 year anniversary to include the change. More
Posted by d0m_l at 14:38 on 27 May 2008 | Report This Post |
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Personally it wouldn’t be an issue for me. I’d still prefer to see the same actor in the role. More
Posted by d0m_l at 14:34 on 27 May 2008 | Report This Post |
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Do you think there is any possibility that Young Bilbo's scene in Fellowship will be edited ala Star Wars to have whoever plays Bilbo in the Hobbit appear in Fellowship? More
Posted by Dan Hughes at 14:32 on 27 May 2008 | Report This Post |
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Well think that they filmed FOTR in about 1999/2000 and how much Holm would have aged since then. I don't think he should come back , his voice will be too old and strained and it would just seem stupid putting an old man in young makeup. If you look at FOTR they even used dark lighting to cover his age and some little bits of CG, during the full course of a film which is in daylight it just wouldn't work. I think your being unrealistic if you think it will be him coming back. It has to be Jame More
Posted by Scabby at 14:25 on 27 May 2008 | Report This Post |
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| It has to be Holm |
I see no reason why Ian Holm shouldn’t be the outright choice.
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Posted by d0m_l at 14:21 on 27 May 2008 | Report This Post |
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| It has to be Holm |
Personally I see no reason why Ian Holm shouldn’t be the outright choice.
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Posted by d0m_l at 14:20 on 27 May 2008 | Report This Post |
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| It has to be Holm |
Personally I see no reason why Ian Holm shouldn’t be the outright choice. More
Posted by d0m_l at 14:19 on 27 May 2008 | Report This Post |
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Personally I see no reason why Ian Holm shouldn’t be the outright choice. More
Posted by d0m_l at 14:15 on 27 May 2008 | Report This Post |
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| Jeff! |
Charlie Cox or James McAvoy would be good. Or I could really see Richard Coyle in this role, especially if he had his curly hair a'la Jeff in Coupling! More
Posted by hit_or_miss_me at 13:48 on 27 May 2008 | Report This Post |
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maybe....ben whishaw, matthew goode.....or sam riley???? More
Posted by jimibadboi7 at 13:47 on 27 May 2008 | Report This Post |
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James McAvoy, James McAvoy, James McAvoy, and one more time, James McAvoy. He will blend perfectly into Ian Holm, who can be brought into the latter stages of F2, and he also has the Baggins family blue eyes - though not quite so big as Elijah, but then, does anyone??!! My only wish is that F2 centres on the Aragorn/Gandalf friendship and fleshes out the back story of Aragorn and Arwen, so other then me getting a little vocal about J McAvoy....Viggo, Viggo, VIGGO!!! More
Posted by Halfling at 13:42 on 27 May 2008 | Report This Post |
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James McAvoy was the first person i thought of as well!!!!
maybe even Ewan Mcgregor...if they wanted to cast a bit older.... More
Posted by jimibadboi7 at 13:39 on 27 May 2008 | Report This Post |
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Before I read all the above comments from the other forum members I thought Martin Freeman aswell....spooky. Although James McAvoy would be a great choice too. More
Posted by tallaght24 at 13:39 on 27 May 2008 | Report This Post |
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James McAvoy would be my #1 choice too. More
Posted by griet at 13:36 on 27 May 2008 | Report This Post |
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Please not Martin Freeman - he looks...hmm, slightly Hobbit-like - but I don't think I could bare to see Tim from The Office with pointy ears and furry feet. More
Posted by JohnnyBGoode at 13:31 on 27 May 2008 | Report This Post |
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James McAvoy or Martin Freeman ? More
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LOTR on blu ray? yeah when the Hobbit comes out at the cinema. And no doubt once The Hobbit comes out for home release we'll get another LOTR release. Still haven't bought the films on DVD and i don't intend to purtchase them anytime soon till i'm sure they aren't going to pull more 'previously unseen footage' More
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