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Die Hard 5 Earns 12A UK Rating
The BBFC passes judgement on AGDTDH

11 February 2013  |  Written by Ali Plumb  |  Source: BBFC

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A Good Day To Die Hard

The fifth film in the Die Hard franchise, the confusingly-titled A Good Day To Die Hard, has been given a 12A rating by the British Board of Film Classification, even though it was classified as an R over in the US.

You can read the BBFC's guidance below, but be warned in advance that it contains the words "mild innuendo". Oo-er!

"The film contains four uses of strong language ('f**k') and a partial use of ‘motherf***er’, the end of which has been cut short so the implied strong language is not heard in full".

"Against a backdrop of explosions, car chases and the destruction of property, there are a number of scenes featuring shootings which occasionally show brief bullet impacts, but there is no focus on blood or injury. In scenes of hand-to-hand combat we see brief punches and kicks, impressionistic rifle butt blows and an implied, but unseen, neck break. Although there are some crunchy sound effects and incidental shots of the heroes with blood on their faces and clothes, no detail of injury is shown.

"A Good Day To Die Hard also includes scenes of gun threat to the head and several brief shots of knife-blades as the heroes prepare to defend themselves. There are also passing references to 'doing drugs' and some mild innuendo."

A few notes from our end. A partial use of motherfucker? If the word motherfucker is going to be used in a Die Hard movie, chances are it'll be said after the words "Sniff my cheese!" "Yippee-kay-yay" so expect that catchphrase to be more muted than previous instances. Also, as previously hinted at, "mild innuendo" sounds more Carry On than John McClane. Sad, but true.

A Good Day To Die Hard will motherf***er its way into cinemas on February 14.

 

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L: paulyboy L: Shifty Bench And in answer to another question from earlier, they re-dubbed the film to release it on home video in two separate versions to get more money. Fox loves its money as evidenced with what they did to DH5. o be fair the "harder" cut does include some elyent takes, featuring McClane swearing in full, undubbed view of the camera, when they're leaving Warlock's house for example. Possibly just Willis ad-libs that were left on the cutting room More

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L: Shifty Bench And in answer to another question from earlier, they re-dubbed the film to release it on home video in two separate versions to get more money. Fox loves its money as evidenced with what they did to DH5. o be fair the "harder" cut does include some elyent takes, featuring McClane swearing in full, undubbed view of the camera, when they're leaving Warlock's house for example. Possibly just Willis ad-libs that were left on the cutting room floor mind you, but i More

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I think the major studios are pushing for 12A/PG13 ratings of their big movies nowadays, not only Fox. Only directors of recent years that I think have released a large scale movie with anything higher than that are Quentin Tarantino and Zack Snyder. And I'd be surprised if Warner Bros. let Snyder get away with an 18 certificate film again after the disappointing box office for Watchmen (because they didn't realise that a Watchmen movie was /i] going to be hard to sell to people). More

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L: Osric L: MonsterCat More likely Fox tinkering with it to tempt the die hard... er, Die Hard fans into buying what's supposed to be a more violent, swearier cut of of a PG-13 film. Pretty fucking cynical, but there you go. I don't know if Wiseman has enough clout to contest additions or cuts to his finished film. Once he turned the film over to Fox they could have pretty much done whatever they wanted with it. hat is AMAZINGLY cynical if it's true. Jeeeezus. think it i More

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RE: Die Hard: Dead and Resting in Peace
L: Osric L: MonsterCat More likely Fox tinkering with it to tempt the die hard... er, Die Hard fans into buying what's supposed to be a more violent, swearier cut of of a PG-13 film. Pretty fucking cynical, but there you go. I don't know if Wiseman has enough clout to contest additions or cuts to his finished film. Once he turned the film over to Fox they could have pretty much done whatever they wanted with it. hat is AMAZINGLY cynical if it's true. Jeeeezus. don't doub More

Posted by MonsterCat at 11:36 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

RE: Die Hard: Dead and Resting in Peace
L: MonsterCat More likely Fox tinkering with it to tempt the die hard... er, Die Hard fans into buying what's supposed to be a more violent, swearier cut of of a PG-13 film. Pretty fucking cynical, but there you go. I don't know if Wiseman has enough clout to contest additions or cuts to his finished film. Once he turned the film over to Fox they could have pretty much done whatever they wanted with it. hat is AMAZINGLY cynical if it's true. Jeeeezus. More

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L: Wild about Wilder It's about time the BBFC took the A out of 12A as it's just a joke I remember seeing kids 5 & under watching the 2nd Nolan/Batman film all because they're acomponied by someone over the age of 12??? he only reason they added it is because so many parents complained that they couldn't take their kids to see Spider-Man. BBFC should have stuck to their guns and said "it's rated 12 for a reason", as far as I'm concerned... More

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L: MonsterCat L: DancingClown Who would've been responsible for sanctioning those additions? Would Wiseman have been involved? ore likely Fox tinkering with it to tempt the die hard... er, Die Hard fans into buying what's supposed to be a more violent, swearier cut of of a PG-13 film. Pretty fucking cynical, but there you go. I don't know if Wiseman has enough clout to contest additions or cuts to his finished film. Once he turned the film over to Fox they could pretty much More

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L: Normal Control I could watch a Die Hard movie without any cussing at all if it had a tight story, balls, and was technically brilliant. See movies 1-3. The sad fact is that Bruce Willis is a lame one-trick pony milking his only franchise that never should have gone beyond 3 classic movies. Let him carry on the Sky TV ads, that's the sum of his ambition. I agree with previous posters - boycott this shite. eally? I mean, he did Looper last year. Didn't you lik... oh, wait a minute. Lo More

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L: DancingClown L: Shifty Bench L: Osric L: Shifty Bench Die Hard 4 was never cut... the stupid version with dubbed over swearing and CG blood hits... here does this belief come from? I've seen people making similar claims (that the PG version of Die Hard 4 is the correct one, and the "Harder cut" was manufactured for the people that complained and is somehow not legit and fake) on a thread on Amazon, but I can't find any evidence to back that up. I'm not sayi More

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Die Hard: Dead and Resting in Peace
I could watch a Die Hard movie without any cussing at all if it had a tight story, balls, and was technically brilliant. See movies 1-3. The sad fact is that Bruce Willis is a lame one-trick pony milking his only franchise that never should have gone beyond 3 classic movies. Let him carry on the Sky TV ads, that's the sum of his ambition. I agree with previous posters - boycott this shite. More

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L: Shifty Bench L: Osric L: Shifty Bench Die Hard 4 was never cut... the stupid version with dubbed over swearing and CG blood hits... here does this belief come from? I've seen people making similar claims (that the PG version of Die Hard 4 is the correct one, and the "Harder cut" was manufactured for the people that complained and is somehow not legit and fake) on a thread on Amazon, but I can't find any evidence to back that up. I'm not saying it's wrong - just w More

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L: Osric L: Shifty Bench Die Hard 4 was never cut... the stupid version with dubbed over swearing and CG blood hits... here does this belief come from? I've seen people making similar claims (that the PG version of Die Hard 4 is the correct one, and the "Harder cut" was manufactured for the people that complained and is somehow not legit and fake) on a thread on Amazon, but I can't find any evidence to back that up. I'm not saying it's wrong - just where have you read that t More

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@FoximusPrime - You're missing my original point. Yes, it's normal practice for a studio to release a slightly milder theatrical cut-down version and then a stronger full version on disc. But the general view tends then to be that the stronger version is the definitive one, and everyone subsequently ignores the theatrical version. Right? What Shift Bench is saying is that the definitive version of DH4 is the milder theatrical one, and that the stronger version is some sort of fake cut that's be More

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RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ??????
L: Drooch Yes, the BBFC is much better than it was, and went through something of a golden age in the 2000's, but this decade has seen a slide back towards the scissor happy days of old. There are still far too many films coming through with butchered cinema versions: Die Hard 5 Taken 2 Jack Reacher The Woman in Black The Expendables The Hunger Games Savages The Inbetweeners Movie The Three Stooges The Knot Now Is Good The Cold Light Of Day Twilight: Breaking More

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L: Osric L: FoximusPrime L: Osric L: Shifty Bench Die Hard 4 was never cut... the stupid version with dubbed over swearing and CG blood hits... here does this belief come from? I've seen people making similar claims (that the PG version of Die Hard 4 is the correct one, and the "Harder cut" was manufactured for the people that complained and is somehow not legit and fake) on a thread on Amazon, but I can't find any evidence to back that up. I'm not saying i More

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L: Wild about Wilder It's about time the BBFC took the A out of 12A as it's just a joke I remember seeing kids 5 & under watching the 2nd Nolan/Batman film all because they're acomponied by someone over the age of 12??? hat you y someone over the age of 12 taking kids of 5 and under to watch TDK because the adult fancied watching the film and couldn't be arsed exercising responsibility. I saw a similar thing when I watched TDK: a couple of kids dicking about while their adult ignore More

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L: FoximusPrime L: Osric L: Shifty Bench Die Hard 4 was never cut... the stupid version with dubbed over swearing and CG blood hits... here does this belief come from? I've seen people making similar claims (that the PG version of Die Hard 4 is the correct one, and the "Harder cut" was manufactured for the people that complained and is somehow not legit and fake) on a thread on Amazon, but I can't find any evidence to back that up. I'm not saying it's wrong - just w More

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It's about time the BBFC took the A out of 12A as it's just a joke I remember seeing kids 5 & under watching the 2nd Nolan/Batman film all because they're acomponied by someone over the age of 12??? More

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L: Osric L: Shifty Bench Die Hard 4 was never cut... the stupid version with dubbed over swearing and CG blood hits... here does this belief come from? I've seen people making similar claims (that the PG version of Die Hard 4 is the correct one, and the "Harder cut" was manufactured for the people that complained and is somehow not legit and fake) on a thread on Amazon, but I can't find any evidence to back that up. I'm not saying it's wrong - just where have you read that t More

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But the difference between McClane and the likes of Johns Rambo or Matrix is that he was clearly in over his head and there was always the sense that he was fallible. He was the archetypal everyman that most action heroes of the 80s weren't. And no matter how many terrorists you thwart, you aren't going to nonchalantly walk away after you fall off a fighter jet you've just shot down with a lorry. That was shark-jumping, fridge-nuking overkill in my eyes. I genuinely don't remember any More

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L: FoximusPrime L: AxlReznor It would obviously ] to be an action movie. But you're an absolute retard if you think that swearing and blood is what makes a Die Hard movie a Die Hard movie. Clane. That's what makes it a Die Hard movie. If he's there, then that's all you ]. Like I said, if the film's shit, it would have been shit anyway, and if it's great, the rating it's given shouldn't matter. S - There are ] uses of the word 'fuck'. In a 12A movie. his is the issue I had wit More

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L: Shifty Bench Die Hard 4 was never cut... the stupid version with dubbed over swearing and CG blood hits... here does this belief come from? I've seen people making similar claims (that the PG version of Die Hard 4 is the correct one, and the "Harder cut" was manufactured for the people that complained and is somehow not legit and fake) on a thread on Amazon, but I can't find any evidence to back that up. I'm not saying it's wrong - just where have you read that that's right? Not o More

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L: AxlReznor It would obviously ] to be an action movie. But you're an absolute retard if you think that swearing and blood is what makes a Die Hard movie a Die Hard movie. Clane. That's what makes it a Die Hard movie. If he's there, then that's all you ]. Like I said, if the film's shit, it would have been shit anyway, and if it's great, the rating it's given shouldn't matter. S - There are ] uses of the word 'fuck'. In a 12A movie. his is the issue I had with DH4 and it looks lik More

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RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ??????
L: Drooch L: AxlReznor First answer this question: Why aren't you listening to a word anybody is saying to you? hich aspect of what has been said to me do you think I haven't listened to or adequately addressed? sp; it! More

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It would obviously ] to be an action movie. But you're an absolute if you think that swearing and blood is what makes a Die Hard movie a Die Hard movie. John McClane. That's what makes it a Die Hard movie. If he's there, then that's all you ]. Like I said, if the film's shit, it would have been shit anyway, and if it's great, the rating it's given shouldn't matter. PS - There are ] uses of the word 'fuck'. In a 12A movie. More

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L: AxlReznor L: Whistler I know the rating doesn't necessarily dictate how good the film will be, but come on. It's Die Hard. This shit needs to be an 18, or at least a 15. b]m needs to be whatever it needs to be. Previous films in a franchise should not be a consideration sp; So you would be quite happy if you went to see Die Hard 5 as a Die Hard fan and found they had turned it in to a musical? People go to see franchise movies expecting certain things, and these expectations More

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RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ??????
L: MonsterCat "During post-production, the distributor sought and was given advice on how to secure the desired classification. Following this advice, certain changes were made prior to submission." ven an ignoramus on these matters such as me can see that this is utterly conclusive. The BBFC didn't precipitate the cut, and didn't influence it at all other than by providing information questkes bold) as to how the studio could achieve their desired rating. Case closed. *crosses More

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L: MonsterCat I'm just a glutton for punishment, I guess. llow me to put some spin on that for you - a tenacious and passionate reformer, keen to enlighten the ill-informed... More

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http://www.bbfc.co.uk/releases/good-day-die-hard-2013-6 Above is a link to the BBFC's consumer advice for DH5. Usually in these blurbs they're pretty upfront about when they've advised a distributor about cuts, but in this instance there's no mention of that. I'm guessing Fox performed pre-cuts before submission, because in the blurb it says that the motherfucker line was cut short. EDIT - Missed this part from the blurb: "During post-production, the distributor sought and was More

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L: Cloud Cuckoo L: Drooch Why are you suddenly running away from this discussion and dropping a little rat-turd on the way out? I thought you had something valuable to add... hile I do not know enough about the subject of film cuts and who enforces them to make meaningful comment, I can offer an outsider's opinion on the above question. You keep blaming the BBFC for cuts made to Die Hard 5 and other films. Literally everyone else who has commented has said that this More

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L: Drooch Why are you suddenly running away from this discussion and dropping a little rat-turd on the way out? I thought you had something valuable to add... hile I do not know enough about the subject of film cuts and who enforces them to make meaningful comment, I can offer an outsider's opinion on the above question. You keep blaming the BBFC for cuts made to Die Hard 5 and other films. Literally everyone else who has commented has said that this is wrong and that the BBF More

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L: Drooch Why are you suddenly running away from this discussion and dropping a little rat-turd on the way out? I thought you had something valuable to add... t's not the BBFC's job to prevent distributors from cutting their films, it's just simply not within their remit to do so. If it was, they could have cut Human Centipede 2 themselves and forced Tom Six to release it that way. But they can't do that, Six refused to cut it and the film was denied a rating. They're not censors, th More

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L: Drooch Slap a certificate on the film and go home, job done, stop fucking around with our films. hey are not your films, they are the studios films and they can do whatever they want with them. More

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L: MonsterCat L: Drooch Yes, the BBFC is much better than it was, and went through something of a golden age in the 2000's, but this decade has seen a slide back towards the scissor happy days of old. There are still far too many films coming through with butchered cinema versions: Die Hard 5 Taken 2 Jack Reacher The Woman in Black The Expendables The Hunger Games Savages The Inbetweeners Movie The Three Stooges The Knot Now Is Good The Cold Light Of More

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L: MonsterCat L: Drooch L: MonsterCat L: Drooch Why do you think virtually every action film released during the 80's and 90's was cut in the UK and uncut elsewhere? irtually all? lol hyperbole. hy is it hyperbolic? What evidence are you basing that on? bsolutely everything you've said on here is unfounded and hyperbole. Same thing with your "Empire are unfairly punishing good film making" rubbish from last year. Basically you don't like the More

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RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ??????
L: Drooch Yes, the BBFC is much better than it was, and went through something of a golden age in the 2000's, but this decade has seen a slide back towards the scissor happy days of old. There are still far too many films coming through with butchered cinema versions: Die Hard 5 Taken 2 Jack Reacher The Woman in Black The Expendables The Hunger Games Savages The Inbetweeners Movie The Three Stooges The Knot Now Is Good The Cold Light Of Day Twilight: Breaki More

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RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ??????
L: Shifty Bench L: Drooch L: MonsterCat We're hearing you loud and clear, Drooch, but you're still wrong. The BBFC can't tell a studio not to cut their films. reat, now answer this question: Why are you absolving the BBFC of blame, and why do you think the UK ends up with such a comparatively huge list of butchered films? Why do you think virtually every action film released during the 80's and 90's was cut in the UK and uncut elsewhere? oly crap. More

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L: Drooch L: MonsterCat L: Drooch Why do you think virtually every action film released during the 80's and 90's was cut in the UK and uncut elsewhere? irtually all? lol hyperbole. hy is it hyperbolic? What evidence are you basing that on? bsolutely everything you've said on here is unfounded and hyperbole. Same thing with your "Empire are unfairly punishing good film making" rubbish from last year. Basically you don't like the fact that this movie h More

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L: MonsterCat L: Drooch Why do you think virtually every action film released during the 80's and 90's was cut in the UK and uncut elsewhere? irtually all? lol hyperbole. hy is it hyperbolic? What evidence are you basing that on? More

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L: AxlReznor First answer this question: Why aren't you listening to a word anybody is saying to you? hich aspect of what has been said to me do you think I haven't listened to or adequately addressed? More

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L: AxlReznor You're hilarious. You should look up the meaning of arbritary, because the fact they ] guidelines eliminates "arbritary" from your argument. And if you think the BBFC are worse than the MPAA, you're beyond hilarious and moving into the delusional territory. In recent years, the only films that haven't passed with them have been the ones with absolutely no content worth seeing whatsoever (The Human Centipede sequel standing out), and ] movies pass uncut. We received th More

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L: Shifty Bench L: Drooch , I don't think that 'virtually every action film released during the 80's and 90's was cut in the UK'. Some were, some weren't, but I honestly don't have any stats to back up that kinda statement, I suspect you don't either. Yes, I do. Pick an action film and check this website to see what was cut: www.melonfarmers.co.ukn addition to the Die Hard 2 and With A Vengeance, Cliffhanger was cut to pieces, Under Siege 2 was cut by 2 minutes, Eraser wa More

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Why are some people making out that Die Hard is supposed to be a big dumb action film? The franchise has slowly morphed into that, but even the third one wasn't that explosion-filled (especially considering it had bombs as a major plot point). The first film is some of the greatest filmmaking I've ever seen. The second had a bit less brains, but it still is most definitely Die Hard. The fourth was kind of a 'let's see if they'll eat this shit' project by Fox, and we did. But even that felt like More

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L: directorscut I would much rather watch the TV edit of d han the uncut version of Day to Die Harduote] Well, I haven't seen A Good Day to Die Hard so I can't make that judgement but you are right that the original, uncut or not will be the superior film. I just prefer seeing uncut versions of films, seeing them the way the director intended not the way the studio intends to make more cash from them. If it was made as an R rated film that is the version I want to see not some watere More

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L: directorscut L: Cloud Cuckoo In all seriousness though, that is ridiculous. You can't have a Die Hard film without "Yippee-ky-yay motherfucker!" the same way you can't have Hamlet without "To be or not to be?" It is intrinsic to its formula, to its success; part of its genetic make-up. lease. The line's presence in the last two movies was completely shoehorned in, lame and served no purpose other than lazy fan service. t is his catchphrase. It is tradition. And ma More

Posted by Cloud Cuckoo at 21:41 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Cloud Cuckoo L: Shifty Bench L: Cloud Cuckoo So ... will John McClane be saying "Yippee-ky-yay motherfucker!" or not? e will not be saying that, no. ell in THAT case... STORM THE MOTHERFUDGING BBFC AND FUDGE THOSE FUDGERS UP!!! ust my little joke for everyone here not Drooch. In all seriousness though, that is ridiculous. You can't have a Die Hard film without "Yippee-ky-yay motherfucker!" the same way you can't have Hamlet without "To be or not to be?" More

Posted by directorscut at 21:25 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ??????
L: Shifty Bench L: Cloud Cuckoo So ... will John McClane be saying "Yippee-ky-yay motherfucker!" or not? e will not be saying that, no. ell in THAT case... STORM THE MOTHERFUDGING BBFC AND FUDGE THOSE FUDGERS UP!!! ust my little joke for everyone here not Drooch. In all seriousness though, that is ridiculous. You can't have a Die Hard film without "Yippee-ky-yay motherfucker!" the same way you can't have Hamlet without "To be or not to be?" It is intrinsic to its f More

Posted by Cloud Cuckoo at 21:21 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Shifty Bench L: directorscut L: Shifty Bench L: Cloud Cuckoo So ... will John McClane be saying "Yippee-ky-yay motherfucker!" or not? As long as we get that and a few spectacular explosions I don't really understand what all the fuss is about... e will not be saying that in a 12A, no. The fuss is about Fox butchering a film to get a certificate it shouldn't have. It's like cutting the original Die Hard or Die Hard 2 (with its death by icicle scene) to ge More

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RE: Die Hard 5 Earns 12A UK Rating
L: Hood_Man I imagine they could squeeze quite a lot into a 12A these days. I remember "Go fuck yourselves" in X-Men First Class for instance, and a lot of implied but grizzly moments. eah, as I have pointed out a few times, the film still has 'four uses of strong language' which is great for a 12A. It is one of the reasons I defended the BBFC earlier More

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L: directorscut L: Shifty Bench L: Cloud Cuckoo So ... will John McClane be saying "Yippee-ky-yay motherfucker!" or not? As long as we get that and a few spectacular explosions I don't really understand what all the fuss is about... e will not be saying that in a 12A, no. The fuss is about Fox butchering a film to get a certificate it shouldn't have. It's like cutting the original Die Hard or Die Hard 2 (with its death by icicle scene) to get a 12 or essentially wat More

Posted by Shifty Bench at 21:09 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Shifty Bench L: Cloud Cuckoo So ... will John McClane be saying "Yippee-ky-yay motherfucker!" or not? As long as we get that and a few spectacular explosions I don't really understand what all the fuss is about... e will not be saying that in a 12A, no. The fuss is about Fox butchering a film to get a certificate it shouldn't have. It's like cutting the original Die Hard or Die Hard 2 (with its death by icicle scene) to get a 12 or essentially watching an edited for TV ve More

Posted by directorscut at 21:01 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

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I imagine they could squeeze quite a lot into a 12A these days. I remember "Go fuck yourselves" in X-Men First Class for instance, and a lot of implied but grizzly moments. I wonder if they'll just substitute McClane being covered in blood with McClane being covered in soot/mud/gunpowder/sweat etc? More

Posted by Hood_Man at 21:00 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Cloud Cuckoo So ... will John McClane be saying "Yippee-ky-yay motherfucker!" or not? As long as we get that and a few spectacular explosions I don't really understand what all the fuss is about... e will not be saying that in a 12A, no. The fuss is about Fox butchering a film to get a certificate it shouldn't have. It's like cutting the original Die Hard or Die Hard 2 (with its death by icicle scene) to get a 12 or essentially watching an edited for TV version of the movie on the More

Posted by Shifty Bench at 20:39 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

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So ... will John McClane be saying "Yippee-ky-yay motherfucker!" or not? As long as we get that and a few spectacular explosions I don't really understand what all the fuss is about... More

Posted by Cloud Cuckoo at 20:28 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Drooch , I don't think that 'virtually every action film released during the 80's and 90's was cut in the UK'. Some were, some weren't, but I honestly don't have any stats to back up that kinda statement, I suspect you don't either. Yes, I do. Pick an action film and check this website to see what was cut: www.melonfarmers.co.ukn addition to the Die Hard 2 and With A Vengeance, Cliffhanger was cut to pieces, Under Siege 2 was cut by 2 minutes, Eraser was cut by over 3 minutes, More

Posted by Shifty Bench at 18:00 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ??????
Bought my tickets for Thursday night, suckers! More

Posted by Rgirvan44 at 17:58 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

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, I don't think that 'virtually every action film released during the 80's and 90's was cut in the UK'. Some were, some weren't, but I honestly don't have any stats to back up that kinda statement, I suspect you don't either. Yes, I do. Pick an action film and check this website to see what was cut: www.melonfarmers.co.ukn addition to the Die Hard 2 and With A Vengeance, Cliffhanger was cut to pieces, Under Siege 2 was cut by 2 minutes, Eraser was cut by over 3 minutes, True Lies was cu More

Posted by Drooch at 17:57 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Craigmustdie It's not about focusing on gore, it's about making a film for adult fans who have supported the franchise rather than pandering to every other wanker. I'm actually disgusted, the last film was a step down to start with, softening it further is ridiculous. This is not Die hard, that is not John McClane, and I, a life long fan, am out... eah, because adding swearing and blood to scenes like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TU5GKM_Rh2c would make it so much better a More

Posted by directorscut at 17:56 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

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I'm thinking I can take an under 12 into the cinema to see a film containing the word fuck 4 times, then the BBFC aren't strict enough! The people who complain about low certificates are the same people who smoke because they think it makes them look older. Enough of that though. Either way I'm sure it'll be either average or bad, irrespective of the certificate. More

Posted by jonson at 17:55 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

It's not about focusing on gore, it's about making a film for adult fans who have supported the franchise rather than pandering to every other wanker. I'm actually disgusted, the last film was a step down to start with, softening it further is ridiculous. This is not Die hard, that is not John McClane, and I, a life long fan, am out... More

Posted by Craigmustdie at 17:50 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

It's not about focusing on gore, it's about making a film for adult fans who have supported the franchise rather than pandering to every other wanker. I'm actually disgusted, the last film was a step down to start with, softening it further is ridiculous. This is not Die hard, that is not John McClane, and I, a life long fan, am out... More

Posted by Craigmustdie at 17:50 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: porntrooper Firstly, I don't think that 'virtually every action film released during the 80's and 90's was cut in the UK'. weren't, only some were. r, better question would be 'Of all the movies that were released in the UK with cuts, how many have been re-submitted and are now passed and certified uncut?'say most of the big ones that were once cut are now uncut. Lethal Weapon 2 and 4, Die Hard 2, Under Siege 1 and 2, Cobra, The Rock, Tango & Cash, T2..... Hard ever cut? No id More

Posted by Shifty Bench at 17:48 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

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For anyone interested in the cuts for various films, the Melon Farmers website keeps a list of what was cut, why and if the cuts have been restored now. More

Posted by rawlinson at 17:43 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Drooch L: MonsterCat We're hearing you loud and clear, Drooch, but you're still wrong. The BBFC can't tell a studio not to cut their films. reat, now answer this question: Why are you absolving the BBFC of blame, and why do you think the UK ends up with such a comparatively huge list of butchered films? Why do you think virtually every action film released during the 80's and 90's was cut in the UK and uncut elsewhere? Firstly, I don't think that 'virtu More

Posted by porntrooper at 17:17 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

Yippie Kay yay melon farmer
Thats sealed it for me, Im not going to watch this film More

Posted by Funkmasterflex at 17:10 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

Not gonna cry about it, but yeah, I'm a little disappointed.
Die Hard without a bit of grue isn't really Die Hard. The shot of John pulling himself along the floor with glass in his feet in DH is what it's all about. John wins because he can endure the most pain and take the most punishment. His victory is only as satisfying as the crucible he goes through to reach his goal. The bad guys die hard but John dies the hardest. I want to watch him bleed all over the place and then win anyway. Fuck YEAH! Just talking about it makes me want to watch Die Hard ... More

Posted by Nicky C at 17:07 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Drooch I'm struggling to make myself any clearer. THE REASON THE UK IS LITTERED WITH CUT FILMS, UNLIKE OTHER WESTERN COUNTRIES, IS BECAUSE OF THE BBFC. Their overly strict, arbitrary guidelines and willingness to help greedy studios butcher their films to achieve lower ratings cause this, as do their failure to preserve freedom of expression by not allowing mandatory uncut versions for adults. Fox is equally to blame for having zero artistic integrity and complete disdain for t More

Posted by porntrooper at 17:06 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ??????
L: Drooch L: MonsterCat We're hearing you loud and clear, Drooch, but you're still wrong. The BBFC can't tell a studio not to cut their films. reat, now answer this question: Why are you absolving the BBFC of blame, and why do you think the UK ends up with such a comparatively huge list of butchered films? Why do you think virtually every action film released during the 80's and 90's was cut in the UK and uncut elsewhere? oly crap. The UK no longer has More

Posted by Shifty Bench at 17:05 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Drooch Why do you think virtually every action film released during the 80's and 90's was cut in the UK and uncut elsewhere? irtually all? lol hyperbole. Some were cut, this much is true. Maybe it's because the tolerance threshold for on-screen violence wasn't as high as it is today. They're actually much more relaxed about on screen violence these days. Look at action films which were once rated 18 like Die Hard and Lethal Weapon. These kind of films were recently re-rated More

Posted by MonsterCat at 17:03 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ??????
First answer this question: Why aren't you listening to a word anybody is saying to you? More

Posted by AxlReznor at 17:02 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ??????
L: MonsterCat We're hearing you loud and clear, Drooch, but you're still wrong. The BBFC can't tell a studio not to cut their films. reat, now answer this question: Why are you absolving the BBFC of blame, and why do you think the UK ends up with such a comparatively huge list of butchered films? Why do you think virtually every action film released during the 80's and 90's was cut in the UK and uncut elsewhere? More

Posted by Drooch at 16:59 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ??????
L: Drooch I'm struggling to make myself any clearer. THE REASON THE UK IS LITTERED WITH CUT FILMS, UNLIKE OTHER WESTERN COUNTRIES, IS BECAUSE OF THE BBFC. Their overly strict, arbitrary guidelines and willingness to help greedy studios butcher their films to achieve lower ratings cause this, as do their failure to preserve freedom of expression by not allowing mandatory uncut versions for adults. Fox is equally to blame for having zero artistic integrity and complete disdain for t More

Posted by Shifty Bench at 16:58 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ??????
We're hearing you loud and clear, Drooch, but you're still wrong. The BBFC can't tell a studio not to cut their films. More

Posted by MonsterCat at 16:55 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

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You're hilarious. You should look up the meaning of arbritary, because the fact they ] guidelines eliminates "arbritary" from your argument. And if you think the BBFC are worse than the MPAA, you're beyond hilarious and moving into the delusional territory. In recent years, the only films that haven't passed with them have been the ones with absolutely no content worth seeing whatsoever (The Human Centipede sequel standing out), and ] movies pass uncut. We received the uncut version of I S More

Posted by AxlReznor at 16:54 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

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The rating shouldn't really have any bearing on the quality of the film, however, it is a touch dissapointing to see a once great franchise, known for it's harder edge, being slowly watered down. I never had issue with Die Hard 4 as such, it does at times feel very 'Die Hard', and at others not so much, the harder cut that was release on DVD did make things feel a little better and I felt it slotted into the franchise as a whole much better when keeping some of the bloodletting and effing and More

Posted by porntrooper at 16:53 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Shifty Bench L: MonsterCat L: Drooch What you're not understanding is that dio are 'choosing' to censor within the BBFC's ridiculously strict and completely arbitrary guidelinesllingness to bend over for studios, rather than preserve the right to freedom of expression the UK supposedly has. This is why other countries don't end up with butchered versions the whole time - the difference? The BBFC. hat you're not understanding is arguments predicated on facts an More

Posted by Drooch at 16:45 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

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Also, did anybody see this: CAST INCLUDES Bruce Willis, Jai Courtney, Mary Elizabeth Winstead, ick Stewart http://www.bbfc.co.uk/releases/good-day-die-hard-2013-5 I don't remember it being officially announced. I'm guessing we can take that as confirmation? More

Posted by joepeterwilson at 16:39 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: UTB L: joepeterwilson L: MonsterCat L: Drooch What you're not understanding is that dio are 'choosing' to censor within the BBFC's ridiculously strict and completely arbitrary guidelinesllingness to bend over for studios, rather than preserve the right to freedom of expression the UK supposedly has. This is why other countries don't end up with butchered versions the whole time - the difference? The BBFC. hat you're not understanding is arguments pred More

Posted by joepeterwilson at 16:36 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: joepeterwilson L: MonsterCat L: Drooch What you're not understanding is that dio are 'choosing' to censor within the BBFC's ridiculously strict and completely arbitrary guidelinesllingness to bend over for studios, rather than preserve the right to freedom of expression the UK supposedly has. This is why other countries don't end up with butchered versions the whole time - the difference? The BBFC. hat you're not understanding is arguments predicated on facts More

Posted by UTB at 16:31 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ??????
L: MonsterCat L: Drooch What you're not understanding is that dio are 'choosing' to censor within the BBFC's ridiculously strict and completely arbitrary guidelinesllingness to bend over for studios, rather than preserve the right to freedom of expression the UK supposedly has. This is why other countries don't end up with butchered versions the whole time - the difference? The BBFC. hat you're not understanding is arguments predicated on facts and logic. When A Good More

Posted by joepeterwilson at 16:29 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: AxlReznor It's a valid point, though. t is, I was just making a joke More

Posted by Shifty Bench at 16:22 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

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It's a valid point, though. If you want to see people have a childish hissy fit, just see what happens when someone tries to make something less "adult". More

Posted by AxlReznor at 16:20 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: directorscut It's amazing how juvenile the Die Hard fanbase appears to be. They really should have gone after a U certificate. ou know, with you up there on your pedestal, I can see right up your nose...... More

Posted by Shifty Bench at 16:19 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: directorscut L: MonsterCat L: Drooch What you're not understanding is that dio are 'choosing' to censor within the BBFC's ridiculously strict and completely arbitrary guidelinesllingness to bend over for studios, rather than preserve the right to freedom of expression the UK supposedly has. This is why other countries don't end up with butchered versions the whole time - the difference? The BBFC. hat you're not understanding is arguments predicated on facts and l More

Posted by AxlReznor at 16:17 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: BenTramer Ah, that rating says it all unfortunately. This is a watered-down, cynical sequel with no balls designed to make money by bringing in the kiddies. It's not a film that wants to tell a gritty story for adults. I didn't have high expectations for this and even those minimal expectations have now evaporated. Bilge. ait until the uncut version gets released, that]a film for adults. Not saying it'll be any good but at least it'll be the R rated version we should have got over More

Posted by Shifty Bench at 16:17 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

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Die Hard 4.0 was rated 15. Something else that's been said repeatedly from people saying the situation is the same as that film. (Die Hard 4.0 is also my favourite of the franchise so far, with the other three being different levels of overrated, but that's a different issue). I assume that I'm the only person who give a shitating a film is given, as long as I like it, then. Seriously... if it's shit, it would be shit with a 15 or 18 rating, too. And if it's great, then a 12A rating shoul More

Posted by AxlReznor at 16:16 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: MonsterCat L: Drooch What you're not understanding is that dio are 'choosing' to censor within the BBFC's ridiculously strict and completely arbitrary guidelinesllingness to bend over for studios, rather than preserve the right to freedom of expression the UK supposedly has. This is why other countries don't end up with butchered versions the whole time - the difference? The BBFC. hat you're not understanding is arguments predicated on facts and logic. When A Good More

Posted by directorscut at 16:15 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ??????
L: MonsterCat L: Drooch What you're not understanding is that dio are 'choosing' to censor within the BBFC's ridiculously strict and completely arbitrary guidelinesllingness to bend over for studios, rather than preserve the right to freedom of expression the UK supposedly has. This is why other countries don't end up with butchered versions the whole time - the difference? The BBFC. hat you're not understanding is arguments predicated on facts and logic. When A Good More

Posted by Shifty Bench at 16:14 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

RE: What just happened?
End result, film that will undoubtedly be sh!t anyway is now a few minutes shorter. Fans of Die Hard 4.0 will probably still dig it, fans of the original will likely have given up years ago. More

Posted by Dead Mike at 16:14 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

Ah, that rating says it all unfortunately. This is a watered-down, cynical sequel with no balls designed to make money by bringing in the kiddies. It's not a film that wants to tell a gritty story for adults. I didn't have high expectations for this and even those minimal expectations have now evaporated. Bilge. More

Posted by BenTramer at 16:13 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

What just happened?
So, we have leapt from this film being rated R in the states, to following suit with 4.0 with a muted, watered down Die Hard, which, if you were a profficient Fox executive in the least, would have shown you that this is not the approach to take with this franchise. My interest levels have dropped considerably. Part of the attraction for the franchise now, is purely one of nostalgia value. Factor in that John Moore and Skip Words have pretty crummy track records and the whole thing is begin More

Posted by Deacon Frost at 16:11 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ??????
L: Drooch What you're not understanding is that dio are 'choosing' to censor within the BBFC's ridiculously strict and completely arbitrary guidelinesllingness to bend over for studios, rather than preserve the right to freedom of expression the UK supposedly has. This is why other countries don't end up with butchered versions the whole time - the difference? The BBFC. hat you're not understanding is arguments predicated on facts and logic. When A Good Day to Die Hard was fi More

Posted by MonsterCat at 16:10 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: AxlReznor L: Drooch L: joepeterwilson L: Drooch L: MonsterCat L: Drooch Absolute DISGRACE. I hope many of you will join me in boycotting this atrocity. I'm trying very hard to avoid piracy but Fox are forcing UK viewers to avoid censored kiddy crap the only way we know with this cynical, audience-hating move. DH4 was an offence to the excellent Die Hard Trilogy, and this looks set to be as bad, possibly worse (the UK version at least). More

Posted by joepeterwilson at 16:07 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ??????
15A in Ireland More

Posted by musht at 16:03 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Drooch L: joepeterwilson You do make some good points, might I point out. I just think you're directing your frustrations at the wrong people. The BBFC haven't cut a single second - it's out of their hands! hanks, Joe. The reason I also blame the BBFC is that the studio are 'choosing' to censor within the BBFC's ridiculously strict and completely arbitrary guidelines and willingness to bend over for studios, rather than preserve the right to freedom of expression the UK supp More

Posted by AxlReznor at 16:03 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Drooch Oh, and the BBFC can go fuck themselves for failing to allow adults access to uncensored material. t isn't their fault, they can't tell the studio 'no, release it uncut as a 15'. If the studio wants a 12A, they'll get one, it's not the BBFC's decision. Their guidelines aren't that strict, they are still allowing 'four uses of strong language' which is a big deal for a 12A. The film is rated R, and from what I've heard, there was absolutely in helit would have passed un More

Posted by Shifty Bench at 16:03 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ??????
L: Drooch L: joepeterwilson L: Drooch L: MonsterCat L: Drooch Absolute DISGRACE. I hope many of you will join me in boycotting this atrocity. I'm trying very hard to avoid piracy but Fox are forcing UK viewers to avoid censored kiddy crap the only way we know with this cynical, audience-hating move. DH4 was an offence to the excellent Die Hard Trilogy, and this looks set to be as bad, possibly worse (the UK version at least). This project was doome More

Posted by AxlReznor at 16:01 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: MonsterCat L: directorscut Well reading the description it /i] be a 15s. Letting four f-words pass you might as well just say any amount is acceptable in a 12s movie. Either-way the movie looks crap. Even worse than Die Hard 4. id you see Willis' appearance on The One Show? That was the behavior of a man who knew the film he was promoting was a bit rubbish. ote] To be fair I think he was just shell-shocked by how crap the show was, how stupid the question More

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