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And in answer to another question from earlier, they re-dubbed the film to release it on home video in two separate versions to get more money. Fox loves its money as evidenced with what they did to DH5.
o be fair the "harder" cut does include some elyent takes, featuring McClane swearing in full, undubbed view of the camera, when they're leaving Warlock's house for example.
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And in answer to another question from earlier, they re-dubbed the film to release it on home video in two separate versions to get more money. Fox loves its money as evidenced with what they did to DH5.
o be fair the "harder" cut does include some elyent takes, featuring McClane swearing in full, undubbed view of the camera, when they're leaving Warlock's house for example.
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I think the major studios are pushing for 12A/PG13 ratings of their big movies nowadays, not only Fox.
Only directors of recent years that I think have released a large scale movie with anything higher than that are Quentin Tarantino and Zack Snyder. And I'd be surprised if Warner Bros. let Snyder get away with an 18 certificate film again after the disappointing box office for Watchmen (because they didn't realise that a Watchmen movie was /i] going to be hard to sell to people). More
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More likely Fox tinkering with it to tempt the die hard... er, Die Hard fans into buying what's supposed to be a more violent, swearier cut of of a PG-13 film. Pretty fucking cynical, but there you go. I don't know if Wiseman has enough clout to contest additions or cuts to his finished film. Once he turned the film over to Fox they could have pretty much done whatever they wanted with it.
hat is AMAZINGLY cynical if it's true. Jeeeezus.
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More likely Fox tinkering with it to tempt the die hard... er, Die Hard fans into buying what's supposed to be a more violent, swearier cut of of a PG-13 film. Pretty fucking cynical, but there you go. I don't know if Wiseman has enough clout to contest additions or cuts to his finished film. Once he turned the film over to Fox they could have pretty much done whatever they wanted with it.
hat is AMAZINGLY cynical if it's true. Jeeeezus.
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More likely Fox tinkering with it to tempt the die hard... er, Die Hard fans into buying what's supposed to be a more violent, swearier cut of of a PG-13 film. Pretty fucking cynical, but there you go. I don't know if Wiseman has enough clout to contest additions or cuts to his finished film. Once he turned the film over to Fox they could have pretty much done whatever they wanted with it.
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It's about time the BBFC took the A out of 12A as it's just a joke I remember seeing kids 5 & under watching the 2nd Nolan/Batman film all because they're acomponied by someone over the age of 12???
he only reason they added it is because so many parents complained that they couldn't take their kids to see Spider-Man. BBFC should have stuck to their guns and said "it's rated 12 for a reason", as far as I'm concerned... More
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Who would've been responsible for sanctioning those additions? Would Wiseman have been involved?
ore likely Fox tinkering with it to tempt the die hard... er, Die Hard fans into buying what's supposed to be a more violent, swearier cut of of a PG-13 film. Pretty fucking cynical, but there you go. I don't know if Wiseman has enough clout to contest additions or cuts to his finished film. Once he turned the film over to Fox they could pretty much More
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I could watch a Die Hard movie without any cussing at all if it had a tight story, balls, and was technically brilliant. See movies 1-3. The sad fact is that Bruce Willis is a lame one-trick pony milking his only franchise that never should have gone beyond 3 classic movies. Let him carry on the Sky TV ads, that's the sum of his ambition. I agree with previous posters - boycott this shite.
eally? I mean, he did Looper last year. Didn't you lik... oh, wait a minute. Lo More
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Die Hard 4 was never cut... the stupid version with dubbed over swearing and CG blood hits...
here does this belief come from? I've seen people making similar claims (that the PG version of Die Hard 4 is the correct one, and the "Harder cut" was manufactured for the people that complained and is somehow not legit and fake) on a thread on Amazon, but I can't find any evidence to back that up. I'm not sayi More
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I could watch a Die Hard movie without any cussing at all if it had a tight story, balls, and was technically brilliant. See movies 1-3. The sad fact is that Bruce Willis is a lame one-trick pony milking his only franchise that never should have gone beyond 3 classic movies. Let him carry on the Sky TV ads, that's the sum of his ambition. I agree with previous posters - boycott this shite. More
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Die Hard 4 was never cut... the stupid version with dubbed over swearing and CG blood hits...
here does this belief come from? I've seen people making similar claims (that the PG version of Die Hard 4 is the correct one, and the "Harder cut" was manufactured for the people that complained and is somehow not legit and fake) on a thread on Amazon, but I can't find any evidence to back that up. I'm not saying it's wrong - just w More
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Die Hard 4 was never cut... the stupid version with dubbed over swearing and CG blood hits...
here does this belief come from? I've seen people making similar claims (that the PG version of Die Hard 4 is the correct one, and the "Harder cut" was manufactured for the people that complained and is somehow not legit and fake) on a thread on Amazon, but I can't find any evidence to back that up. I'm not saying it's wrong - just where have you read that t More
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@FoximusPrime - You're missing my original point. Yes, it's normal practice for a studio to release a slightly milder theatrical cut-down version and then a stronger full version on disc. But the general view tends then to be that the stronger version is the definitive one, and everyone subsequently ignores the theatrical version. Right? What Shift Bench is saying is that the definitive version of DH4 is the milder theatrical one, and that the stronger version is some sort of fake cut that's be More
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Yes, the BBFC is much better than it was, and went through something of a golden age in the 2000's, but this decade has seen a slide back towards the scissor happy days of old. There are still far too many films coming through with butchered cinema versions:
Die Hard 5
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The Three Stooges
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Die Hard 4 was never cut... the stupid version with dubbed over swearing and CG blood hits...
here does this belief come from? I've seen people making similar claims (that the PG version of Die Hard 4 is the correct one, and the "Harder cut" was manufactured for the people that complained and is somehow not legit and fake) on a thread on Amazon, but I can't find any evidence to back that up. I'm not saying i More
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It's about time the BBFC took the A out of 12A as it's just a joke I remember seeing kids 5 & under watching the 2nd Nolan/Batman film all because they're acomponied by someone over the age of 12???
hat you y someone over the age of 12 taking kids of 5 and under to watch TDK because the adult fancied watching the film and couldn't be arsed exercising responsibility. I saw a similar thing when I watched TDK: a couple of kids dicking about while their adult ignore More
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Die Hard 4 was never cut... the stupid version with dubbed over swearing and CG blood hits...
here does this belief come from? I've seen people making similar claims (that the PG version of Die Hard 4 is the correct one, and the "Harder cut" was manufactured for the people that complained and is somehow not legit and fake) on a thread on Amazon, but I can't find any evidence to back that up. I'm not saying it's wrong - just w More
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It's about time the BBFC took the A out of 12A as it's just a joke I remember seeing kids 5 & under watching the 2nd Nolan/Batman film all because they're acomponied by someone over the age of 12??? More
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Die Hard 4 was never cut... the stupid version with dubbed over swearing and CG blood hits...
here does this belief come from? I've seen people making similar claims (that the PG version of Die Hard 4 is the correct one, and the "Harder cut" was manufactured for the people that complained and is somehow not legit and fake) on a thread on Amazon, but I can't find any evidence to back that up. I'm not saying it's wrong - just where have you read that t More
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But the difference between McClane and the likes of Johns Rambo or Matrix is that he was clearly in over his head and there was always the sense that he was fallible. He was the archetypal everyman that most action heroes of the 80s weren't.
And no matter how many terrorists you thwart, you aren't going to nonchalantly walk away after you fall off a fighter jet you've just shot down with a lorry. That was shark-jumping, fridge-nuking overkill in my eyes.
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It would obviously ] to be an action movie. But you're an absolute retard if you think that swearing and blood is what makes a Die Hard movie a Die Hard movie.
Clane. That's what makes it a Die Hard movie. If he's there, then that's all you ]. Like I said, if the film's shit, it would have been shit anyway, and if it's great, the rating it's given shouldn't matter. S - There are ] uses of the word 'fuck'. In a 12A movie.
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Die Hard 4 was never cut... the stupid version with dubbed over swearing and CG blood hits...
here does this belief come from? I've seen people making similar claims (that the PG version of Die Hard 4 is the correct one, and the "Harder cut" was manufactured for the people that complained and is somehow not legit and fake) on a thread on Amazon, but I can't find any evidence to back that up. I'm not saying it's wrong - just where have you read that that's right? Not o More
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It would obviously ] to be an action movie. But you're an absolute retard if you think that swearing and blood is what makes a Die Hard movie a Die Hard movie.
Clane. That's what makes it a Die Hard movie. If he's there, then that's all you ]. Like I said, if the film's shit, it would have been shit anyway, and if it's great, the rating it's given shouldn't matter. S - There are ] uses of the word 'fuck'. In a 12A movie.
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First answer this question: Why aren't you listening to a word anybody is saying to you?
hich aspect of what has been said to me do you think I haven't listened to or adequately addressed?
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It would obviously ] to be an action movie. But you're an absolute if you think that swearing and blood is what makes a Die Hard movie a Die Hard movie.
John McClane. That's what makes it a Die Hard movie. If he's there, then that's all you ]. Like I said, if the film's shit, it would have been shit anyway, and if it's great, the rating it's given shouldn't matter.
PS - There are ] uses of the word 'fuck'. In a 12A movie. More
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I know the rating doesn't necessarily dictate how good the film will be, but come on. It's Die Hard. This shit needs to be an 18, or at least a 15.
b]m needs to be whatever it needs to be. Previous films in a franchise should not be a consideration sp;
So you would be quite happy if you went to see Die Hard 5 as a Die Hard fan and found they had turned it in to a musical?
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"During post-production, the distributor sought and was given advice on how to secure the desired classification. Following this advice, certain changes were made prior to submission."
ven an ignoramus on these matters such as me can see that this is utterly conclusive. The BBFC didn't precipitate the cut, and didn't influence it at all other than by providing information questkes bold) as to how the studio could achieve their desired rating.
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I'm just a glutton for punishment, I guess.
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http://www.bbfc.co.uk/releases/good-day-die-hard-2013-6
Above is a link to the BBFC's consumer advice for DH5. Usually in these blurbs they're pretty upfront about when they've advised a distributor about cuts, but in this instance there's no mention of that.
I'm guessing Fox performed pre-cuts before submission, because in the blurb it says that the motherfucker line was cut short.
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Why are you suddenly running away from this discussion and dropping a little rat-turd on the way out? I thought you had something valuable to add...
hile I do not know enough about the subject of film cuts and who enforces them to make meaningful comment, I can offer an outsider's opinion on the above question.
You keep blaming the BBFC for cuts made to Die Hard 5 and other films. Literally everyone else who has commented has said that this More
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Why are you suddenly running away from this discussion and dropping a little rat-turd on the way out? I thought you had something valuable to add...
hile I do not know enough about the subject of film cuts and who enforces them to make meaningful comment, I can offer an outsider's opinion on the above question.
You keep blaming the BBFC for cuts made to Die Hard 5 and other films. Literally everyone else who has commented has said that this is wrong and that the BBF More
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Why are you suddenly running away from this discussion and dropping a little rat-turd on the way out? I thought you had something valuable to add...
t's not the BBFC's job to prevent distributors from cutting their films, it's just simply not within their remit to do so. If it was, they could have cut Human Centipede 2 themselves and forced Tom Six to release it that way. But they can't do that, Six refused to cut it and the film was denied a rating. They're not censors, th More
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Slap a certificate on the film and go home, job done, stop fucking around with our films.
hey are not your films, they are the studios films and they can do whatever they want with them.
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Yes, the BBFC is much better than it was, and went through something of a golden age in the 2000's, but this decade has seen a slide back towards the scissor happy days of old. There are still far too many films coming through with butchered cinema versions:
Die Hard 5
Taken 2
Jack Reacher
The Woman in Black
The Expendables
The Hunger Games
Savages
The Inbetweeners Movie
The Three Stooges
The Knot
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Why do you think virtually every action film released during the 80's and 90's was cut in the UK and uncut elsewhere?
irtually all? lol hyperbole.
hy is it hyperbolic? What evidence are you basing that on?
bsolutely everything you've said on here is unfounded and hyperbole. Same thing with your "Empire are unfairly punishing good film making" rubbish from last year.
Basically you don't like the More
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Yes, the BBFC is much better than it was, and went through something of a golden age in the 2000's, but this decade has seen a slide back towards the scissor happy days of old. There are still far too many films coming through with butchered cinema versions:
Die Hard 5
Taken 2
Jack Reacher
The Woman in Black
The Expendables
The Hunger Games
Savages
The Inbetweeners Movie
The Three Stooges
The Knot
Now Is Good
The Cold Light Of Day
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We're hearing you loud and clear, Drooch, but you're still wrong.
The BBFC can't tell a studio not to cut their films.
reat, now answer this question:
Why are you absolving the BBFC of blame, and why do you think the UK ends up with such a comparatively huge list of butchered films? Why do you think virtually every action film released during the 80's and 90's was cut in the UK and uncut elsewhere?
oly crap.
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Why do you think virtually every action film released during the 80's and 90's was cut in the UK and uncut elsewhere?
irtually all? lol hyperbole.
hy is it hyperbolic? What evidence are you basing that on?
bsolutely everything you've said on here is unfounded and hyperbole. Same thing with your "Empire are unfairly punishing good film making" rubbish from last year.
Basically you don't like the fact that this movie h More
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Why do you think virtually every action film released during the 80's and 90's was cut in the UK and uncut elsewhere?
irtually all? lol hyperbole.
hy is it hyperbolic? What evidence are you basing that on?
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First answer this question: Why aren't you listening to a word anybody is saying to you?
hich aspect of what has been said to me do you think I haven't listened to or adequately addressed?
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You're hilarious. You should look up the meaning of arbritary, because the fact they ] guidelines eliminates "arbritary" from your argument.
And if you think the BBFC are worse than the MPAA, you're beyond hilarious and moving into the delusional territory. In recent years, the only films that haven't passed with them have been the ones with absolutely no content worth seeing whatsoever (The Human Centipede sequel standing out), and ] movies pass uncut. We received th More
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, I don't think that 'virtually every action film released during the 80's and 90's was cut in the UK'. Some were, some weren't, but I honestly don't have any stats to back up that kinda statement, I suspect you don't either.
Yes, I do. Pick an action film and check this website to see what was cut:
www.melonfarmers.co.ukn addition to the Die Hard 2 and With A Vengeance, Cliffhanger was cut to pieces, Under Siege 2 was cut by 2 minutes, Eraser wa More
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Why are some people making out that Die Hard is supposed to be a big dumb action film? The franchise has slowly morphed into that, but even the third one wasn't that explosion-filled (especially considering it had bombs as a major plot point). The first film is some of the greatest filmmaking I've ever seen. The second had a bit less brains, but it still is most definitely Die Hard. The fourth was kind of a 'let's see if they'll eat this shit' project by Fox, and we did. But even that felt like More
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I would much rather watch the TV edit of d han the uncut version of Day to Die Harduote]
Well, I haven't seen A Good Day to Die Hard so I can't make that judgement but you are right that the original, uncut or not will be the superior film. I just prefer seeing uncut versions of films, seeing them the way the director intended not the way the studio intends to make more cash from them. If it was made as an R rated film that is the version I want to see not some watere More
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In all seriousness though, that is ridiculous. You can't have a Die Hard film without "Yippee-ky-yay motherfucker!" the same way you can't have Hamlet without "To be or not to be?" It is intrinsic to its formula, to its success; part of its genetic make-up.
lease. The line's presence in the last two movies was completely shoehorned in, lame and served no purpose other than lazy fan service.
t is his catchphrase. It is tradition. And ma More
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So ... will John McClane be saying "Yippee-ky-yay motherfucker!" or not?
e will not be saying that, no.
ell in THAT case... STORM THE MOTHERFUDGING BBFC AND FUDGE THOSE FUDGERS UP!!! ust my little joke for everyone here not Drooch.
In all seriousness though, that is ridiculous. You can't have a Die Hard film without "Yippee-ky-yay motherfucker!" the same way you can't have Hamlet without "To be or not to be?" More
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So ... will John McClane be saying "Yippee-ky-yay motherfucker!" or not?
e will not be saying that, no.
ell in THAT case... STORM THE MOTHERFUDGING BBFC AND FUDGE THOSE FUDGERS UP!!! ust my little joke for everyone here not Drooch.
In all seriousness though, that is ridiculous. You can't have a Die Hard film without "Yippee-ky-yay motherfucker!" the same way you can't have Hamlet without "To be or not to be?" It is intrinsic to its f More
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So ... will John McClane be saying "Yippee-ky-yay motherfucker!" or not? As long as we get that and a few spectacular explosions I don't really understand what all the fuss is about...
e will not be saying that in a 12A, no. The fuss is about Fox butchering a film to get a certificate it shouldn't have. It's like cutting the original Die Hard or Die Hard 2 (with its death by icicle scene) to ge More
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I imagine they could squeeze quite a lot into a 12A these days. I remember "Go fuck yourselves" in X-Men First Class for instance, and a lot of implied but grizzly moments.
eah, as I have pointed out a few times, the film still has 'four uses of strong language' which is great for a 12A. It is one of the reasons I defended the BBFC earlier More
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So ... will John McClane be saying "Yippee-ky-yay motherfucker!" or not? As long as we get that and a few spectacular explosions I don't really understand what all the fuss is about...
e will not be saying that in a 12A, no. The fuss is about Fox butchering a film to get a certificate it shouldn't have. It's like cutting the original Die Hard or Die Hard 2 (with its death by icicle scene) to get a 12 or essentially wat More
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So ... will John McClane be saying "Yippee-ky-yay motherfucker!" or not? As long as we get that and a few spectacular explosions I don't really understand what all the fuss is about...
e will not be saying that in a 12A, no. The fuss is about Fox butchering a film to get a certificate it shouldn't have. It's like cutting the original Die Hard or Die Hard 2 (with its death by icicle scene) to get a 12 or essentially watching an edited for TV ve More
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I imagine they could squeeze quite a lot into a 12A these days. I remember "Go fuck yourselves" in X-Men First Class for instance, and a lot of implied but grizzly moments.
I wonder if they'll just substitute McClane being covered in blood with McClane being covered in soot/mud/gunpowder/sweat etc? More
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So ... will John McClane be saying "Yippee-ky-yay motherfucker!" or not? As long as we get that and a few spectacular explosions I don't really understand what all the fuss is about...
e will not be saying that in a 12A, no. The fuss is about Fox butchering a film to get a certificate it shouldn't have. It's like cutting the original Die Hard or Die Hard 2 (with its death by icicle scene) to get a 12 or essentially watching an edited for TV version of the movie on the More
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So ... will John McClane be saying "Yippee-ky-yay motherfucker!" or not? As long as we get that and a few spectacular explosions I don't really understand what all the fuss is about... More
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, I don't think that 'virtually every action film released during the 80's and 90's was cut in the UK'. Some were, some weren't, but I honestly don't have any stats to back up that kinda statement, I suspect you don't either.
Yes, I do. Pick an action film and check this website to see what was cut:
www.melonfarmers.co.ukn addition to the Die Hard 2 and With A Vengeance, Cliffhanger was cut to pieces, Under Siege 2 was cut by 2 minutes, Eraser was cut by over 3 minutes, More
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Bought my tickets for Thursday night, suckers! More
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, I don't think that 'virtually every action film released during the 80's and 90's was cut in the UK'. Some were, some weren't, but I honestly don't have any stats to back up that kinda statement, I suspect you don't either.
Yes, I do. Pick an action film and check this website to see what was cut:
www.melonfarmers.co.ukn addition to the Die Hard 2 and With A Vengeance, Cliffhanger was cut to pieces, Under Siege 2 was cut by 2 minutes, Eraser was cut by over 3 minutes, True Lies was cu More
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It's not about focusing on gore, it's about making a film for adult fans who have supported the franchise rather than pandering to every other wanker. I'm actually disgusted, the last film was a step down to start with, softening it further is ridiculous. This is not Die hard, that is not John McClane, and I, a life long fan, am out...
eah, because adding swearing and blood to scenes like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TU5GKM_Rh2c would make it so much better a More
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I'm thinking I can take an under 12 into the cinema to see a film containing the word fuck 4 times, then the BBFC aren't strict enough! The people who complain about low certificates are the same people who smoke because they think it makes them look older.
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It's not about focusing on gore, it's about making a film for adult fans who have supported the franchise rather than pandering to every other wanker. I'm actually disgusted, the last film was a step down to start with, softening it further is ridiculous. This is not Die hard, that is not John McClane, and I, a life long fan, am out... More
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It's not about focusing on gore, it's about making a film for adult fans who have supported the franchise rather than pandering to every other wanker. I'm actually disgusted, the last film was a step down to start with, softening it further is ridiculous. This is not Die hard, that is not John McClane, and I, a life long fan, am out... More
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Firstly, I don't think that 'virtually every action film released during the 80's and 90's was cut in the UK'. weren't, only some were.
r, better question would be 'Of all the movies that were released in the UK with cuts, how many have been re-submitted and are now passed and certified uncut?'say most of the big ones that were once cut are now uncut. Lethal Weapon 2 and 4, Die Hard 2, Under Siege 1 and 2, Cobra, The Rock, Tango & Cash, T2.....
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For anyone interested in the cuts for various films, the Melon Farmers website keeps a list of what was cut, why and if the cuts have been restored now. More
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We're hearing you loud and clear, Drooch, but you're still wrong.
The BBFC can't tell a studio not to cut their films.
reat, now answer this question:
Why are you absolving the BBFC of blame, and why do you think the UK ends up with such a comparatively huge list of butchered films? Why do you think virtually every action film released during the 80's and 90's was cut in the UK and uncut elsewhere?
Firstly, I don't think that 'virtu More
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Die Hard without a bit of grue isn't really Die Hard. The shot of John pulling himself along the floor with glass in his feet in DH is what it's all about. John wins because he can endure the most pain and take the most punishment. His victory is only as satisfying as the crucible he goes through to reach his goal. The bad guys die hard but John dies the hardest. I want to watch him bleed all over the place and then win anyway. Fuck YEAH! Just talking about it makes me want to watch Die Hard ... More
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I'm struggling to make myself any clearer. THE REASON THE UK IS LITTERED WITH CUT FILMS, UNLIKE OTHER WESTERN COUNTRIES, IS BECAUSE OF THE BBFC. Their overly strict, arbitrary guidelines and willingness to help greedy studios butcher their films to achieve lower ratings cause this, as do their failure to preserve freedom of expression by not allowing mandatory uncut versions for adults.
Fox is equally to blame for having zero artistic integrity and complete disdain for t More
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We're hearing you loud and clear, Drooch, but you're still wrong.
The BBFC can't tell a studio not to cut their films.
reat, now answer this question:
Why are you absolving the BBFC of blame, and why do you think the UK ends up with such a comparatively huge list of butchered films? Why do you think virtually every action film released during the 80's and 90's was cut in the UK and uncut elsewhere?
oly crap.
The UK no longer has More
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Why do you think virtually every action film released during the 80's and 90's was cut in the UK and uncut elsewhere?
irtually all? lol hyperbole.
Some were cut, this much is true. Maybe it's because the tolerance threshold for on-screen violence wasn't as high as it is today. They're actually much more relaxed about on screen violence these days. Look at action films which were once rated 18 like Die Hard and Lethal Weapon. These kind of films were recently re-rated More
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First answer this question: Why aren't you listening to a word anybody is saying to you? More
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We're hearing you loud and clear, Drooch, but you're still wrong.
The BBFC can't tell a studio not to cut their films.
reat, now answer this question:
Why are you absolving the BBFC of blame, and why do you think the UK ends up with such a comparatively huge list of butchered films? Why do you think virtually every action film released during the 80's and 90's was cut in the UK and uncut elsewhere?
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I'm struggling to make myself any clearer. THE REASON THE UK IS LITTERED WITH CUT FILMS, UNLIKE OTHER WESTERN COUNTRIES, IS BECAUSE OF THE BBFC. Their overly strict, arbitrary guidelines and willingness to help greedy studios butcher their films to achieve lower ratings cause this, as do their failure to preserve freedom of expression by not allowing mandatory uncut versions for adults.
Fox is equally to blame for having zero artistic integrity and complete disdain for t More
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We're hearing you loud and clear, Drooch, but you're still wrong.
The BBFC can't tell a studio not to cut their films. More
Posted by MonsterCat at 16:55 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post |
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You're hilarious. You should look up the meaning of arbritary, because the fact they ] guidelines eliminates "arbritary" from your argument.
And if you think the BBFC are worse than the MPAA, you're beyond hilarious and moving into the delusional territory. In recent years, the only films that haven't passed with them have been the ones with absolutely no content worth seeing whatsoever (The Human Centipede sequel standing out), and ] movies pass uncut. We received the uncut version of I S More
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The rating shouldn't really have any bearing on the quality of the film, however, it is a touch dissapointing to see a once great franchise, known for it's harder edge, being slowly watered down. I never had issue with Die Hard 4 as such, it does at times feel very 'Die Hard', and at others not so much, the harder cut that was release on DVD did make things feel a little better and I felt it slotted into the franchise as a whole much better when keeping some of the bloodletting and effing and More
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What you're not understanding is that dio are 'choosing' to censor within the BBFC's ridiculously strict and completely arbitrary guidelinesllingness to bend over for studios, rather than preserve the right to freedom of expression the UK supposedly has. This is why other countries don't end up with butchered versions the whole time - the difference? The BBFC.
hat you're not understanding is arguments predicated on facts an More
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Also, did anybody see this:
CAST INCLUDES Bruce Willis, Jai Courtney, Mary Elizabeth Winstead, ick Stewart
http://www.bbfc.co.uk/releases/good-day-die-hard-2013-5
I don't remember it being officially announced. I'm guessing we can take that as confirmation? More
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What you're not understanding is that dio are 'choosing' to censor within the BBFC's ridiculously strict and completely arbitrary guidelinesllingness to bend over for studios, rather than preserve the right to freedom of expression the UK supposedly has. This is why other countries don't end up with butchered versions the whole time - the difference? The BBFC.
hat you're not understanding is arguments pred More
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What you're not understanding is that dio are 'choosing' to censor within the BBFC's ridiculously strict and completely arbitrary guidelinesllingness to bend over for studios, rather than preserve the right to freedom of expression the UK supposedly has. This is why other countries don't end up with butchered versions the whole time - the difference? The BBFC.
hat you're not understanding is arguments predicated on facts More
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What you're not understanding is that dio are 'choosing' to censor within the BBFC's ridiculously strict and completely arbitrary guidelinesllingness to bend over for studios, rather than preserve the right to freedom of expression the UK supposedly has. This is why other countries don't end up with butchered versions the whole time - the difference? The BBFC.
hat you're not understanding is arguments predicated on facts and logic.
When A Good More
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It's a valid point, though.
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It's a valid point, though. If you want to see people have a childish hissy fit, just see what happens when someone tries to make something less "adult". More
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It's amazing how juvenile the Die Hard fanbase appears to be.
They really should have gone after a U certificate.
ou know, with you up there on your pedestal, I can see right up your nose......
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What you're not understanding is that dio are 'choosing' to censor within the BBFC's ridiculously strict and completely arbitrary guidelinesllingness to bend over for studios, rather than preserve the right to freedom of expression the UK supposedly has. This is why other countries don't end up with butchered versions the whole time - the difference? The BBFC.
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Ah, that rating says it all unfortunately. This is a watered-down, cynical sequel with no balls designed to make money by bringing in the kiddies. It's not a film that wants to tell a gritty story for adults. I didn't have high expectations for this and even those minimal expectations have now evaporated. Bilge.
ait until the uncut version gets released, that]a film for adults. Not saying it'll be any good but at least it'll be the R rated version we should have got over More
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Die Hard 4.0 was rated 15. Something else that's been said repeatedly from people saying the situation is the same as that film. (Die Hard 4.0 is also my favourite of the franchise so far, with the other three being different levels of overrated, but that's a different issue).
I assume that I'm the only person who give a shitating a film is given, as long as I like it, then. Seriously... if it's shit, it would be shit with a 15 or 18 rating, too. And if it's great, then a 12A rating shoul More
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L: Drooch
What you're not understanding is that dio are 'choosing' to censor within the BBFC's ridiculously strict and completely arbitrary guidelinesllingness to bend over for studios, rather than preserve the right to freedom of expression the UK supposedly has. This is why other countries don't end up with butchered versions the whole time - the difference? The BBFC.
hat you're not understanding is arguments predicated on facts and logic.
When A Good More
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What you're not understanding is that dio are 'choosing' to censor within the BBFC's ridiculously strict and completely arbitrary guidelinesllingness to bend over for studios, rather than preserve the right to freedom of expression the UK supposedly has. This is why other countries don't end up with butchered versions the whole time - the difference? The BBFC.
hat you're not understanding is arguments predicated on facts and logic.
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End result, film that will undoubtedly be sh!t anyway is now a few minutes shorter. Fans of Die Hard 4.0 will probably still dig it, fans of the original will likely have given up years ago.
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Ah, that rating says it all unfortunately. This is a watered-down, cynical sequel with no balls designed to make money by bringing in the kiddies. It's not a film that wants to tell a gritty story for adults. I didn't have high expectations for this and even those minimal expectations have now evaporated. Bilge. More
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So, we have leapt from this film being rated R in the states, to following suit with 4.0 with a muted, watered down Die Hard, which, if you were a profficient Fox executive in the least, would have shown you that this is not the approach to take with this franchise.
My interest levels have dropped considerably. Part of the attraction for the franchise now, is purely one of nostalgia value.
Factor in that John Moore and Skip Words have pretty crummy track records and the whole thing is begin More
Posted by Deacon Frost at 16:11 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post |
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What you're not understanding is that dio are 'choosing' to censor within the BBFC's ridiculously strict and completely arbitrary guidelinesllingness to bend over for studios, rather than preserve the right to freedom of expression the UK supposedly has. This is why other countries don't end up with butchered versions the whole time - the difference? The BBFC.
hat you're not understanding is arguments predicated on facts and logic.
When A Good Day to Die Hard was fi More
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L: Drooch
Absolute DISGRACE. I hope many of you will join me in boycotting this atrocity. I'm trying very hard to avoid piracy but Fox are forcing UK viewers to avoid censored kiddy crap the only way we know with this cynical, audience-hating move.
DH4 was an offence to the excellent Die Hard Trilogy, and this looks set to be as bad, possibly worse (the UK version at least). More
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You do make some good points, might I point out. I just think you're directing your frustrations at the wrong people. The BBFC haven't cut a single second - it's out of their hands!
hanks, Joe. The reason I also blame the BBFC is that the studio are 'choosing' to censor within the BBFC's ridiculously strict and completely arbitrary guidelines and willingness to bend over for studios, rather than preserve the right to freedom of expression the UK supp More
Posted by AxlReznor at 16:03 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post |
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Oh, and the BBFC can go fuck themselves for failing to allow adults access to uncensored material.
t isn't their fault, they can't tell the studio 'no, release it uncut as a 15'. If the studio wants a 12A, they'll get one, it's not the BBFC's decision. Their guidelines aren't that strict, they are still allowing 'four uses of strong language' which is a big deal for a 12A.
The film is rated R, and from what I've heard, there was absolutely in helit would have passed un More
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Absolute DISGRACE. I hope many of you will join me in boycotting this atrocity. I'm trying very hard to avoid piracy but Fox are forcing UK viewers to avoid censored kiddy crap the only way we know with this cynical, audience-hating move.
DH4 was an offence to the excellent Die Hard Trilogy, and this looks set to be as bad, possibly worse (the UK version at least). This project was doome More
Posted by AxlReznor at 16:01 on 11 February 2013 | Report This Post |
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Well reading the description it /i] be a 15s. Letting four f-words pass you might as well just say any amount is acceptable in a 12s movie.
Either-way the movie looks crap. Even worse than Die Hard 4.
id you see Willis' appearance on The One Show?
That was the behavior of a man who knew the film he was promoting was a bit rubbish. ote]
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