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Die Hard 5 Earns 12A UK Rating
The BBFC passes judgement on AGDTDH

11 February 2013  |  Written by Ali Plumb  |  Source: BBFC

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A Good Day To Die Hard

The fifth film in the Die Hard franchise, the confusingly-titled A Good Day To Die Hard, has been given a 12A rating by the British Board of Film Classification, even though it was classified as an R over in the US.

You can read the BBFC's guidance below, but be warned in advance that it contains the words "mild innuendo". Oo-er!

"The film contains four uses of strong language ('f**k') and a partial use of ‘motherf***er’, the end of which has been cut short so the implied strong language is not heard in full".

"Against a backdrop of explosions, car chases and the destruction of property, there are a number of scenes featuring shootings which occasionally show brief bullet impacts, but there is no focus on blood or injury. In scenes of hand-to-hand combat we see brief punches and kicks, impressionistic rifle butt blows and an implied, but unseen, neck break. Although there are some crunchy sound effects and incidental shots of the heroes with blood on their faces and clothes, no detail of injury is shown.

"A Good Day To Die Hard also includes scenes of gun threat to the head and several brief shots of knife-blades as the heroes prepare to defend themselves. There are also passing references to 'doing drugs' and some mild innuendo."

A few notes from our end. A partial use of motherfucker? If the word motherfucker is going to be used in a Die Hard movie, chances are it'll be said after the words "Sniff my cheese!" "Yippee-kay-yay" so expect that catchphrase to be more muted than previous instances. Also, as previously hinted at, "mild innuendo" sounds more Carry On than John McClane. Sad, but true.

A Good Day To Die Hard will motherf***er its way into cinemas on February 14.

 

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L: My name is Legion L: AxlReznor Oh no's! Not much swearing! They've ruined it forever! /end sarcasm I've never understood people's obsession with judging the quality of a film based on the BBFC rating it's gotten. detest these kind of comments, as they only go one way. They always take the piss out of people who are disappointed with action franchises being watered down. Why don't we flip this 'round? rs: Episode VIIed a very hard 18. Luke is now insane, he kil More

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L: My name is Legion L: AxlReznor Oh no's! Not much swearing! They've ruined it forever! /end sarcasm I've never understood people's obsession with judging the quality of a film based on the BBFC rating it's gotten. detest these kind of comments, as they only go one way. They always take the piss out of people who are disappointed with action franchises being watered down. Why don't we flip this 'round? rs: Episode VIIed a very hard 18. Luke is now insane, he More

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L: Keyser Sozzled L: My name is Legion L: AxlReznor Oh no's! Not much swearing! They've ruined it forever! /end sarcasm I've never understood people's obsession with judging the quality of a film based on the BBFC rating it's gotten. detest these kind of comments, as they only go one way. They always take the piss out of people who are disappointed with action franchises being watered down. Why don't we flip this 'round? rs: Episode VIIed a very hard 1 More

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L: My name is Legion L: AxlReznor Oh no's! Not much swearing! They've ruined it forever! /end sarcasm I've never understood people's obsession with judging the quality of a film based on the BBFC rating it's gotten. detest these kind of comments, as they only go one way. They always take the piss out of people who are disappointed with action franchises being watered down. Why don't we flip this 'round? rs: Episode VIIed a very hard 18. Luke is now insane, he kil More

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L: My name is Legion L: AxlReznor Oh no's! Not much swearing! They've ruined it forever! /end sarcasm I've never understood people's obsession with judging the quality of a film based on the BBFC rating it's gotten. detest these kind of comments, as they only go one way. They always take the piss out of people who are disappointed with action franchises being watered down. Why don't we flip this 'round? rs: Episode VIIed a very hard 18. Luke is now insane, he More

Posted by Keyser Sozzled at 13:09 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: AxlReznor Oh no's! Not much swearing! They've ruined it forever! /end sarcasm I've never understood people's obsession with judging the quality of a film based on the BBFC rating it's gotten. detest these kind of comments, as they only go one way. They always take the piss out of people who are disappointed with action franchises being watered down. Why don't we flip this 'round? rs: Episode VIIed a very hard 18. Luke is now insane, he kills anyone in his path, all More

Posted by My name is Legion at 13:06 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

Ha
Just noticed the same things been written countless times. Shows how much we loved Die Hard! Again such a pity. More

Posted by Hippolyte at 08:44 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

Hmmmm
Eh even the new Tomb Raider game has had the balls (and the sense) to appeal to the audience who have been yearning for more, the ones who relished its invention, and opted for an 18 certificate, yet Die Hard 5 is a 12??? They couldn't be more clear about their stronger commitment to making money than pleasing the fans who made it such a success to begin with! Such a pity! More

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L: Phubbs Well true but in this day n age I wouldn't bet on anything haha 'Jason' is a popular franchise ote] That may be so, but I doubt he'll damage Peppa Pig's sales margin at any time soon. Or ever. More

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L: Cloud Cuckoo L: Phubbs Would you go see a 12A 'Friday the 13th' film? unlikely to happen (well...) but would you? here is no reason to even hypothetically answer this because it will never happen! It's like me asking "Would you carpet your living room ceiling?" It's unrealistic and irrelevant. Sorry. Well true but in this day n age I wouldn't bet on anything haha 'Jason' is a popular franchise More

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L: Phubbs Would you go see a 12A 'Friday the 13th' film? unlikely to happen (well...) but would you? here is no reason to even hypothetically answer this because it will never happen! It's like me asking "Would you carpet your living room ceiling?" It's unrealistic and irrelevant. Sorry. More

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Would you go see a 12A 'Friday the 13th' film? unlikely to happen (well...) but would you? And I personally wouldn't be interested in an action film that wasn't meant for the younger generation but was 12A or below. More

Posted by Phubbs at 04:45 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Phubbs Well yes I realise what you're saying but.... My point is some action films are suppose to be 15 and above, then there are others which of course are below. Why go to see an action film which is for all intense and purposes is really suppose to be a kick ass fest of guns n blood, when its 12A. If you wanna see a 12A/PG action film then you go see 'Indy' or 'Rush Hour' or 'Spy Kids' etc....air enough, but I was responding to your comment that there is no point seeing an a More

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L: Cloud Cuckoo L: Phubbs I mean think about it, what's the point of going to see a Die Hard film that is a 12A rating? the point of going to see any action film with that rating UNLESS its a comedy action film like 'Rush Hour' when you expect that rating.you go to see the new 'Robocop' film if it were a 12A? I sure as hell wouldn't.his is interesting. Why must action films be rated 15 or above? Do they need lots of blood-letting and swearing? Why can't action films be suit More

Posted by Phubbs at 04:17 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Cloud Cuckoo L: Phubbs I mean think about it, what's the point of going to see a Die Hard film that is a 12A rating? the point of going to see any action film with that rating UNLESS its a comedy action film like 'Rush Hour' when you expect that rating.you go to see the new 'Robocop' film if it were a 12A? I sure as hell wouldn't.his is interesting. Why must action films be rated 15 or above? Do they need lots of blood-letting and swearing? Why can't action films be suitabl More

Posted by Phubbs at 04:16 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Phubbs I mean think about it, what's the point of going to see a Die Hard film that is a 12A rating? the point of going to see any action film with that rating UNLESS its a comedy action film like 'Rush Hour' when you expect that rating.you go to see the new 'Robocop' film if it were a 12A? I sure as hell wouldn't.his is interesting. Why must action films be rated 15 or above? Do they need lots of blood-letting and swearing? Why can't action films be suitable for all? Would you have In More

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L: FoximusPrime L: Phubbs Well however you look at it I think this decision may have ruined DH5 chances in the UK, not a smart move. fear that's an optimistic outlook. People will go regardless because it's Die Hard, some because they don't know about the rating, some because they don't care, and some because the trailers feature explosions and guns and Bruce Willis from that other film. Yes you're right and I agree with you. I'm sure the film will do well as its Die Ha More

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RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ??????
L: matty_b L: Drooch L: Cloud Cuckoo You keep blaming the BBFC for cuts made to Die Hard 5 and other films. Literally everyone else who has commented has said that this is wrong and that the BBFC are not culpable; it is the grasping studios who make the cuts in order to squeeze more money out of their films. Every time someone points this out, you reply with the same arguments as before, except you start highlighting chunks of text in bold as if this is going to make t More

Posted by Cloud Cuckoo at 02:29 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: horribleives L: Drooch L: Shifty Bench L: Drooch L: MonsterCat We're hearing you loud and clear, Drooch, but you're still wrong. The BBFC can't tell a studio not to cut their films. reat, now answer this question: Why are you absolving the BBFC of blame, and why do you think the UK ends up with such a comparatively huge list of butchered films? Why do you think virtually every action film released during the 80's and 90's was cut in the More

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L: peter L: Discodez L: peter L: Discodez L: Drooch Point two: If you are not disputing this is how the BBFC works then what are you actually saying? why are you so against the BBFC and how come you agreed so wholeheartedly with "peter" above (by the way, i think he was taking the piss out of you, not agreeing with you, have a read again), or was this a sarcastic double bluff? ote] To clarify, it's between the two. I diagree with Drooch, but wasn't More

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L: AxlReznor L: Drooch L: DancingClown L: Drooch L: DancingClown L: Drooch Good post - well reasoned and without the unhelpful stupidity and smugness that plagues a lot of these, well done.ow, condescending fucker. Just man-up and admit that your argument is flawed and hyperbolic and has been rightfully torn asunder. No shame in it. Your attempts to save face by perpetually screaming the same thing over and over (like some teenage boy who's mis More

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RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ??????
d I mention that this was 15A in Ireland? More

Posted by musht at 21:09 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ??????
L: Drooch L: Shifty Bench L: Drooch L: MonsterCat We're hearing you loud and clear, Drooch, but you're still wrong. The BBFC can't tell a studio not to cut their films. reat, now answer this question: Why are you absolving the BBFC of blame, and why do you think the UK ends up with such a comparatively huge list of butchered films? Why do you think virtually every action film released during the 80's and 90's was cut in the UK and uncut elsewhere? More

Posted by horribleives at 19:18 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

A Good Day To Die Hard 12A
I'm reminded of Mark Kermode's take on the similar situation with The Hunger Games. This isn't about censorship. It's about marketing. Fox are just doing what they can to get as big a boz office as they can. Did anyone really expect anyrhing else? More

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Obviously doen't love Cheesey-Poofs.
Because this news is lame. More

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L: FoximusPrime People will go regardless because it's Die Hard, some because they don't know about the rating, some because they don't care, and some because the trailers feature explosions and guns and Bruce Willis from that other film. bsolutely. More

Posted by Shifty Bench at 16:45 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Phubbs Well however you look at it I think this decision may have ruined DH5 chances in the UK, not a smart move. fear that's an optimistic outlook. People will go regardless because it's Die Hard, some because they don't know about the rating, some because they don't care, and some because the trailers feature explosions and guns and Bruce Willis from that other film. More

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I think either it's opening night chances were already doomed from the start, or there'll be a of cunnilingus going on on Valentine's night. More

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Well however you look at it I think this decision may have ruined DH5 chances in the UK, not a smart move. More

Posted by Phubbs at 16:38 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: FoximusPrime People need to be made aware that, whilst 12A might mean an adult can legally take a five year old to see the film, it doesn't mean they should. It should be renamed 12-ish or something. The 12A should never have been created, it should have stayed just 12, in my opinion. Taking a infant to the cinema to see a 12A is ridiculous. More

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L: Craigmustdie As dramatic as I know this sounds, this is something of a betrayal, the fans who have supported this franchise since its inception have been ignored in favour of, well, EVERYBODY else. This rating means that, if accompanied by an adult, a 5 year old can see the new Die hard, which says a LOT about the content of the movie. The main character is not even able to say his own catchphrase, McClane and the movie have been neutered and the fans ignored and marginalised in fav More

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L: Craigmustdie As dramatic as I know this sounds, this is something of a betrayal, the fans who have supported this franchise since its inception have been ignored in favour of, well, EVERYBODY else. This rating means that, if accompanied by an adult, a 5 year old can see the new Die hard, which says a LOT about the content of the movie. The main character is not even able to say his own catchphrase, McClane and the movie have been neutered and the fans ignored and marginalised in favour More

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L: AxlReznor Running time on Wikipedia (based on the US version) say 97 minutes. Running time on BBFC website says... 97 minutes. If any actual footage has been cut out, it will be so insignificant that you won't even be able to tell the difference unless you watch both versions side-by-side. So all in all, this reminds me of the Hunger Games debacle. k, this is not about the film having anything cut from it, it's about it being digitally altered to get a lower rating. Swear words ha More

Posted by Shifty Bench at 16:30 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ??????
L: Discodez L: peter L: Discodez L: Drooch Point two: If you are not disputing this is how the BBFC works then what are you actually saying? why are you so against the BBFC and how come you agreed so wholeheartedly with "peter" above (by the way, i think he was taking the piss out of you, not agreeing with you, have a read again), or was this a sarcastic double bluff? ote] To clarify, it's between the two. I diagree with Drooch, but wasn't trying to take th More

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Maintain the credibility of your adult franchise, don't compromise it by making a PG-1.......oh. More

Posted by Phubbs at 16:25 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

As dramatic as I know this sounds, this is something of a betrayal, the fans who have supported this franchise since its inception have been ignored in favour of, well, EVERYBODY else. This rating means that, if accompanied by an adult, a 5 year old can see the new Die hard, which says a LOT about the content of the movie. The main character is not even able to say his own catchphrase, McClane and the movie have been neutered and the fans ignored and marginalised in favour of a few extra bucks, More

Posted by Craigmustdie at 16:18 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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Running time on Wikipedia (based on the US version) say 97 minutes. Running time on BBFC website says... 97 minutes. If any actual footage has been cut out, it will be so insignificant that you won't even be able to tell the difference unless you watch both versions side-by-side. So all in all, this reminds me of the Hunger Games debacle. Tell them that 15 /i] seconds have been cut out of a movie, and E LOSES THEIR MINDS!hrasing, of course More

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RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ??????
L: peter L: Discodez L: Drooch Point two: If you are not disputing this is how the BBFC works then what are you actually saying? why are you so against the BBFC and how come you agreed so wholeheartedly with "peter" above (by the way, i think he was taking the piss out of you, not agreeing with you, have a read again), or was this a sarcastic double bluff? ote] To clarify, it's between the two. I diagree with Drooch, but wasn't trying to take the piss. Was hoping t More

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L: joepeterwilson It was never a DH flick from the first trailer. That horrible CGI helicopter/jumping out the building to the pool below? The film is also 97 mins long or something daft like that. The reasons behind the cuts are horribly clear. R in the states means kids can go with an adult. 15/18 means nobody under that age, so it's clearly a box office grab. This has absolutely nothing to do with the BBFC being liberal. This has absolutely everything to do with a studio cuttin More

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DP More

Posted by peter at 16:04 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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The way I see it, certificates exist because they're a way of preventing kids from seeing something like Dredd without the consent and supervision of parents. They're there to help curb kids from seeing something which may upset them or a have a negative psychological impact. There are some parents who have no qualms with allowing kids to watch a violent 18 cert movie, but that's a blind spot that the BBFC can't do much about. Their powers only go so far as cinemas and video stores. More

Posted by MonsterCat at 16:03 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Discodez L: Drooch Point two: If you are not disputing this is how the BBFC works then what are you actually saying? why are you so against the BBFC and how come you agreed so wholeheartedly with "peter" above (by the way, i think he was taking the piss out of you, not agreeing with you, have a read again), or was this a sarcastic double bluff? ote] To clarify, it's between the two. I diagree with Drooch, but wasn't trying to take the piss. Was hoping that to discuss the More

Posted by peter at 16:02 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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It doesn't! All it means is that the BBFC thinks that's the age that is the youngest you should be before you watch them. How is that so hard to understand? It doesn't matter if it's a film with adult themes or not... if it doesn't have anything in it that the BBFC thinks should be for adults only, then they're not going to rate it 18 just because that's who it's aimed at. If they /i] have the numbers at the bottom, kids would be able to get in to see anything, and the parents of the world woul More

Posted by AxlReznor at 15:58 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: jackcarter hasnt the UK always gotten cut versions of the DHs? (& Lethal Weapons) its not really that much different - its just the US are getting the full R cut makes it a bit annoying as they got the same edited version as us for 4.0 o, the first Die Hard has always been uncut and is now a 15, the second film was cut to be a 15 fr the cinema but has been an uncut 18 for years now, three was cut once but now is uncut but the MPAA cut it before we even got to see it anyway so the More

Posted by Shifty Bench at 15:57 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: AxlReznor L: Phubbs L: AxlReznor The whole point of the 18 rating is that it lets people know that the BBFC don't consider it to be suitable for people under 18. That's the only significance it has. End of. There are plenty of movies aimed at adults that have a 15 or 12A rating... those ratings i] mean that the films are for teenagers. It just means there's nothing in there that the BBFC thinks should stop teenagers from watching it if they want to. Stop put More

Posted by Phubbs at 15:53 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ??????
L: jackcarter hasnt the UK always gotten cut versions of the DHs? (& Lethal Weapons) its not really that much different - its just the US are getting the full R cut makes it a bit annoying as they got the same edited version as us for 4.0 ie Hard wasn't cut, but it now seems a bit tame for an 18 certificate. Die Hard 2 and Die Hard With a Vengeance were cut to obtain 15 certificates, but again these were decisions taken by Fox. And even then this was back when the BBFC made the r More

Posted by MonsterCat at 15:53 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Phubbs L: AxlReznor The whole point of the 18 rating is that it lets people know that the BBFC don't consider it to be suitable for people under 18. That's the only significance it has. End of. There are plenty of movies aimed at adults that have a 15 or 12A rating... those ratings i] mean that the films are for teenagers. It just means there's nothing in there that the BBFC thinks should stop teenagers from watching it if they want to. Stop putting so much emphasis More

Posted by AxlReznor at 15:52 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: AxlReznor The whole point of the 18 rating is that it lets people know that the BBFC don't consider it to be suitable for people under 18. That's the only significance it has. End of. There are plenty of movies aimed at adults that have a 15 or 12A rating... those ratings i] mean that the films are for teenagers. It just means there's nothing in there that the BBFC thinks should stop teenagers from watching it if they want to. Stop putting so much emphasis on the numbers. More

Posted by Phubbs at 15:51 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Drooch untries have a ratings board and classification system and most countries will instruct studios on editing or will ban films outright.an you quote some specifics from the article to support this? C have been completely transparent in recent years on what they have cut from films and the reasons why and they then put all of those details on their website, this is all true, really it is, go and have a look if you don't believe me.'ve never disputed this. Why are you telling m More

Posted by Discodez at 15:50 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ??????
The whole point of the 18 rating is that it lets people know that the BBFC don't consider it to be suitable for people under 18. That's the only significance it has. End of. There are plenty of movies aimed at adults that have a 15 or 12A rating... those ratings i] mean that the films are for teenagers. It just means there's nothing in there that the BBFC thinks should stop teenagers from watching it if they want to. And conversely, there are plenty of "teen" films that have been given 18 More

Posted by AxlReznor at 15:49 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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hasnt the UK always gotten cut versions of the DHs? (& Lethal Weapons) its not really that much different - its just the US are getting the full R cut makes it a bit annoying as they got the same edited version as us for 4.0 More

Posted by jackcarter at 15:46 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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I'm reading that people are saying it doesn't matter what rating it is because it could still be a good film...this is true, but then what's the point of having ratings? just make everything PG or 12A so everyone can see everything all the time. The whole point of an 18 rating is the film is suppose to be adults. This franchise is an adult franchise end of, instead of trying to gain more fans from the very young generation they should be trying to please the older adult fanbase that has be More

Posted by Phubbs at 15:45 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ??????
L: Drooch It would be nice to all have a pancake and get along, but there seem to be some egos and tempers around here that react with hostility to questions they struggle to answer. I'm surprised it's taken this long for someone reasonable to appear and actually engage and make some useful headway on this. o, people have answered you with actual facts but you have chosen to ignore them. You insisted that this was the BBFC's fault, which it isn't. I understand your stance on the BBFC's More

Posted by Shifty Bench at 15:27 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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This thread, eez deelishus. More

Posted by garvielloken at 15:24 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ??????
Well, several pages of rambling conspiracy theories have certainly put it all into perspective: it's only a movie. More

Posted by FoximusPrime at 15:23 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Drooch What's to 'destroy'? This is a discussion about the BBFC and why the UK ends up with cut versions when other similar countries don't. If I've been 'destroyed' I really haven't noticed. You seem to be mistaking this for some kind of war zone, why? quote]ORIGINAL: Drooch Absolute DISGRACE. I hope many of you will join me in boycotting this atrocity. I'm trying very hard to avoid piracy but Fox are forcing UK viewers to avoid censored kiddy crap the only way we know with More

Posted by matty_b at 15:21 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ??????
L: Drooch L: DancingClown L: Drooch L: DancingClown L: Drooch Good post - well reasoned and without the unhelpful stupidity and smugness that plagues a lot of these, well done.ow, condescending fucker. Just man-up and admit that your argument is flawed and hyperbolic and has been rightfully torn asunder. No shame in it. Your attempts to save face by perpetually screaming the same thing over and over (like some teenage boy who's misplaced his Ritalin) in More

Posted by AxlReznor at 15:19 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ??????
untries have a ratings board and classification system and most countries will instruct studios on editing or will ban films outright.an you quote some specifics from the article to support this? C have been completely transparent in recent years on what they have cut from films and the reasons why and they then put all of those details on their website, this is all true, really it is, go and have a look if you don't believe me.'ve never disputed this. Why are you telling me this? no More

Posted by Drooch at 15:15 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: DancingClown L: Drooch L: DancingClown L: Drooch Good post - well reasoned and without the unhelpful stupidity and smugness that plagues a lot of these, well done.ow, condescending fucker. Just man-up and admit that your argument is flawed and hyperbolic and has been rightfully torn asunder. No shame in it. Your attempts to save face by perpetually screaming the same thing over and over (like some teenage boy who's misplaced his Ritalin) in the hope that othe More

Posted by Drooch at 15:04 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Drooch L: Cloud Cuckoo You keep blaming the BBFC for cuts made to Die Hard 5 and other films. Literally everyone else who has commented has said that this is wrong and that the BBFC are not culpable; it is the grasping studios who make the cuts in order to squeeze more money out of their films. Every time someone points this out, you reply with the same arguments as before, except you start highlighting chunks of text in bold as if this is going to make them more pertinent. Thi More

Posted by Discodez at 15:01 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: peter L: Drooch Good post - well reasoned and without the unhelpful stupidity and smugness that plagues a lot of these, well done. Firstly, I'm not suggesting that the studio is not to blame, at all - Fox are greedy, soulless, audience-hating fuckers. You've presented two options. Gun to my head, I'd pick option 1. Now since there's no gun to my head I'll pick a new, more realistic option - the same one all other 'free' countries pick - the one that doesn't end More

Posted by Drooch at 14:59 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: jackcarter 6 pages of this nowares....its not as if its going to be anywhere near DH3 or even DH2 standard (no need to mention DH1we all know its DH4.0 Part II really so no need to get so worked up about it. in fact early reviews suggest its not even as good as that (surprise) this 2nd DH trilogy is shaping up to be what SW prequels are to the originals...(so at least we should be in for a half decent part 6 ow it's 7, bitch! More

Posted by AxlReznor at 14:50 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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urrrgh 6 pages of this now, who cares....its not as if its going to be anywhere near DH3 or even DH2 standard (no need to mention DH1we all know its DH4.0 Part II really so no need to get so worked up about it. in fact early reviews suggest its not even as good as that (surprise) this 2nd DH trilogy is shaping up to be what SW prequels are to the originals...(so at least we should be in for a half decent part 6 More

Posted by jackcarter at 14:44 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Drooch know the BBFC don't own the film, right?* They haven't forced Fox to cut anything, rely advised them based on an entirely unsolicited request from the studio as to what would be needed to secure a lower classification.e Fox wanted a lower rating, not the BBFC, the Illuminati, the Pentaverate, nor anyone else. E IT IS! And it's this willingness to negotiate cuts and facilitate studio censorship instead of preserving freedom of expression that leaves UK cinemas littered with More

Posted by FoximusPrime at 14:44 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Drooch L: DancingClown L: Drooch Good post - well reasoned and without the unhelpful stupidity and smugness that plagues a lot of these, well done.ow, condescending fucker. Just man-up and admit that your argument is flawed and hyperbolic and has been rightfully torn asunder. No shame in it. Your attempts to save face by perpetually screaming the same thing over and over (like some teenage boy who's misplaced his Ritalin) in the hope that others will relent is despera More

Posted by DancingClown at 14:24 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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Please stop baiting people. It's really not helping matters. More

Posted by MonsterCat at 14:18 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: DancingClown L: Drooch Good post - well reasoned and without the unhelpful stupidity and smugness that plagues a lot of these, well done.ow, condescending fucker. Just man-up and admit that your argument is flawed and hyperbolic and has been rightfully torn asunder. No shame in it. Your attempts to save face by perpetually screaming the same thing over and over (like some teenage boy who's misplaced his Ritalin) in the hope that others will relent is desperate and sad. pr More

Posted by Drooch at 14:15 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: AxlReznor L: Drooch L: AxlReznor L: Drooch L: AxlReznor First answer this question: Why aren't you listening to a word anybody is saying to you? hich aspect of what has been said to me do you think I haven't listened to or adequately addressed? it!ote] No, that's just a generalised, useless response. Be specific. Name one thing that has been said to me that you think I haven't listened to or adequately addressed. f there were jus More

Posted by Drooch at 14:08 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Drooch Good post - well reasoned and without the unhelpful stupidity and smugness that plagues a lot of these, well done. Firstly, I'm not suggesting that the studio is not to blame, at all - Fox are greedy, soulless, audience-hating fuckers. You've presented two options. Gun to my head, I'd pick option 1. Now since there's no gun to my head I'll pick a new, more realistic option - the same one all other 'free' countries pick - the one that doesn't end up with cinemas l More

Posted by peter at 14:07 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Drooch Good post - well reasoned and without the unhelpful stupidity and smugness that plagues a lot of these, well done.ow, condescending fucker. Just man-up and admit that your argument is flawed and hyperbolic and has been rightfully torn asunder. No shame in it. Your attempts to save face by perpetually screaming the same thing over and over (like some teenage boy who's misplaced his Ritalin) in the hope that others will relent is desperate and sad. presented two options. Gun More

Posted by DancingClown at 13:59 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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I've emailed the BBFC about this thread. I doubt they have the time to look at this thread and address Drooch's posts, but I figured it was a worth a shot. After all, I think they're in a better position than us to do so. More

Posted by MonsterCat at 13:54 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Drooch L: peter Let's look, then, at how you think the system should operate... Studio approaches BBFC with a film. BBFC says: "That'll be a 15." Studio says: "Oh, that's not going to bring in a lucrative teen market. Tell me, BBFC, why was it a 15 instead of a 12A?" BBFC says: "nanananananananananananana not listening!!!!" Studio says: "Well in that case, I'll just have to release the 15 version." Or, similarly, BBFC says: "That'll be a 15." Studio More

Posted by AxlReznor at 13:53 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: peter Let's look, then, at how you think the system should operate... Studio approaches BBFC with a film. BBFC says: "That'll be a 15." Studio says: "Oh, that's not going to bring in a lucrative teen market. Tell me, BBFC, why was it a 15 instead of a 12A?" BBFC says: "nanananananananananananana not listening!!!!" Studio says: "Well in that case, I'll just have to release the 15 version." Or, similarly, BBFC says: "That'll be a 15." Studio goes away, come More

Posted by Drooch at 13:48 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Drooch L: AxlReznor L: Drooch L: AxlReznor First answer this question: Why aren't you listening to a word anybody is saying to you? hich aspect of what has been said to me do you think I haven't listened to or adequately addressed? it!ote] No, that's just a generalised, useless response. Be specific. Name one thing that has been said to me that you think I haven't listened to or adequately addressed. f there were just one thing, I'd name More

Posted by AxlReznor at 13:46 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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I think he's aware of cutting and pasting. More

Posted by matty_b at 13:45 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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You just completely repeated yourself. Are you aware of Einstein's definition of insanity? More

Posted by DancingClown at 13:41 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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know the BBFC don't own the film, right?* They haven't forced Fox to cut anything, rely advised them based on an entirely unsolicited request from the studio as to what would be needed to secure a lower classification.e Fox wanted a lower rating, not the BBFC, the Illuminati, the Pentaverate, nor anyone else. E IT IS! And it's this willingness to negotiate cuts and facilitate studio censorship instead of preserving freedom of expression that leaves UK cinemas littered with cut films, unlike o More

Posted by Drooch at 13:38 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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Let's look, then, at how you think the system should operate... Studio approaches BBFC with a film. BBFC says: "That'll be a 15." Studio says: "Oh, that's not going to bring in a lucrative teen market. Tell me, BBFC, why was it a 15 instead of a 12A?" BBFC says: "nanananananananananananana not listening!!!!" Studio says: "Well in that case, I'll just have to release the 15 version." Or, similarly, BBFC says: "That'll be a 15." Studio goes away, comes back, says: "Th More

Posted by peter at 13:38 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: matty_b Axl, man, what are you doing by giving him facts? You know he can't handle them! mmm... good point. More

Posted by AxlReznor at 13:31 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Drooch an ignoramus on these matters such as me can see that this is utterly conclusive. The BBFC didn't precipitate the cut, and didn't influence it at all han by providing information questkes bold) as to how the studio could achieve their desired rating.ote] THERE YA GO! And it's this willingness to negotiate cuts and facilitate censorship instead of preserving freedom of expressioneaves UK cinemas littered with cut films, unlike other 'free' countries who classify without More

Posted by AxlReznor at 13:30 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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Axl, man, what are you doing by giving him facts? You know he can't handle them! More

Posted by matty_b at 13:26 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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Okay... so Australia is considered to be one of the most restrictive on film ratings in the Western world. Instead of releasing "butchered" versions of films, they just outright ban them if they don't meet their standards. A Serbian film has been banned in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil... released uncut over here. We received the uncut version of I Saw The Devil, despite being cut heavily for its domestic South Korean release. The MPAA is - as has also been stated - borderline puritanical in its More

Posted by AxlReznor at 13:25 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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an ignoramus on these matters such as me can see that this is utterly conclusive. The BBFC didn't precipitate the cut, and didn't influence it at all han by providing information questkes bold) as to how the studio could achieve their desired rating.ote] THERE YA GO! And it's this willingness to negotiate cuts and facilitate studio censorship instead of preserving freedom of expression that leaves UK cinemas littered with cut films, unlike other 'free' countries who classify without this More

Posted by Drooch at 13:18 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Drooch No. osters have repeatedly dodged why other countries in the 'free' world don't end up with cinemas littered with cut filmsll repeat myself until they do, assuming they're genuinely interested in this discussion. Generalised responses, personal attacks and butt-hurt wailing don't compensate for a proper response. It's a shame you've chosen to be a smug prick instead of engage in the discussion. nswer: because the studios want to secure a lower rating so make the con More

Posted by FoximusPrime at 13:14 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Drooch they can do is watch the film that's been submitted, inform the distributor of the certificate they feel is appropriate, and then based on the BBFC's findings tributor can choose to run with the BBFC's initial decision or ask for advice on what they can cut to secure a lower rating.nal decision to cut a film rests solely with the distributor. The BBFC doesn't force their hand in anyway. nd THIS is where the problem lies. Unlike other western countries, the BBFC are keenl More

Posted by FoximusPrime at 13:11 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: AxlReznor L: Drooch L: AxlReznor First answer this question: Why aren't you listening to a word anybody is saying to you? hich aspect of what has been said to me do you think I haven't listened to or adequately addressed? it!ote] No, that's just a generalised, useless response. Be specific. Name one thing that has been said to me that you think I haven't listened to or adequately addressed. More

Posted by Drooch at 13:11 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Drooch L: Cloud Cuckoo You keep blaming the BBFC for cuts made to Die Hard 5 and other films. Literally everyone else who has commented has said that this is wrong and that the BBFC are not culpable; it is the grasping studios who make the cuts in order to squeeze more money out of their films. Every time someone points this out, you reply with the same arguments as before, except you start highlighting chunks of text in bold as if this is going to make them more pertinent. More

Posted by matty_b at 13:07 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Cloud Cuckoo You keep blaming the BBFC for cuts made to Die Hard 5 and other films. Literally everyone else who has commented has said that this is wrong and that the BBFC are not culpable; it is the grasping studios who make the cuts in order to squeeze more money out of their films. Every time someone points this out, you reply with the same arguments as before, except you start highlighting chunks of text in bold as if this is going to make them more pertinent. This has been going More

Posted by Drooch at 13:06 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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In a movie that was always going to be controlled by the studio, though, don't you think it's their right to "express" their film any way they choose, and they chose to show a cut version of it? It's hardly some arty movie by an auteur. In the Die Hard franchise, the director is a work-for-hire who's job is to produce the movie the studio wants. So for the BBFC to tell Fox how to release their movie would basically go against freedom of expression itself. And that's beside the fact that as has More

Posted by AxlReznor at 13:03 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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they can do is watch the film that's been submitted, inform the distributor of the certificate they feel is appropriate, and then based on the BBFC's findings tributor can choose to run with the BBFC's initial decision or ask for advice on what they can cut to secure a lower rating.nal decision to cut a film rests solely with the distributor. The BBFC doesn't force their hand in anyway. nd THIS is where the problem lies. Unlike other western countries, the BBFC are keenly willing to negoti More

Posted by Drooch at 12:55 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Sutty The original movie was bloody not for the sake of it, but because at times it showed the consequences of peoples actions. McClane got ], he felt ]. When he cut his feet, you felt that. his is another unsettling thing about editing out blood splatter, etc. in general. It opens the film up to a younger audience but then doesn't show the consequences of, for example, being shot. I believe the BBFC does take this kind of thing into account to an extent though. I'm not saying More

Posted by FoximusPrime at 12:43 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: AxlReznor It would obviously ] to be an action movie. But you're an absolute retard if you think that swearing and blood is what makes a Die Hard movie a Die Hard movie. John McClane. That's what makes it a Die Hard movie. If he's there, then that's all you ]. Like I said, if the film's shit, it would have been shit anyway, and if it's great, the rating it's given shouldn't matter. PS - There are ] uses of the word 'fuck'. In a 12A movie. sp; I'm not suggesting that all I More

Posted by Sutty at 12:28 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: jcthefirst L: Shifty Bench Yeah, I think that too. A lot of the swearing is dubbed, though and one change that has always annoyed me is the different line after he kills the helicopter with the car ote] Yes, the 'I was out of bullets' is a great line; very McClane. The longer 'road deaths' one is too long to be a pithy quip. h yes, 'I was out of bullets'. Forgot about that one. I stand corrected about there being no one-liners of note in that film. More

Posted by FoximusPrime at 12:26 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Drooch Sure, the studios own them but, as a cinephile, I want to see what the filmmaker made, unmolested. s do I which is why I am annoyed at Fox for this. More

Posted by Shifty Bench at 12:24 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: AxlReznor Watchmen only just managed to scrape a profit... it cost $130 million and made $185 million, so it wasn't a flop, but I'm pretty sure Warners would have been pretty disappointed with only making $55 million out of it. I guess I don't really care about these kinds of things as long as the films are good, though. They can keep pumping out as many sequels as they want if they manage to come up with good films. It's only when a film was crap and they i] make sequels that More

Posted by FoximusPrime at 12:22 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: directorscut L: Drooch Slap a certificate on the film and go home, job done, stop fucking around with our films. hey are not your films, they are the studios films and they can do whatever they want with them. ure, the studios own them but, as a cinephile, I want to see what the filmmaker made, unmolested. You might be comfortable to accept the studio version of Brazil, but people who enjoy cinema wanted to see want to see Gilliam's original vision and we were ri More

Posted by Drooch at 12:19 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: AxlReznor I think the major studios are pushing for 12A/PG13 ratings of their big movies nowadays, not only Fox. ndeed but only Fox are doing it this way. No other studio has cut an R rated film down to get a 12A in the UK. Remember, the film is still being shown in its full uncut R rated version in the US. What Fox has done here is quite ridiculous. More

Posted by Shifty Bench at 12:17 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Shifty Bench Yeah, I think that too. A lot of the swearing is dubbed, though and one change that has always annoyed me is the different line after he kills the helicopter with the car ote] Yes, the 'I was out of bullets' is a great line; very McClane. The longer 'road deaths' one is too long to be a pithy quip. More

Posted by jcthefirst at 12:13 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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Watchmen only just managed to scrape a profit... it cost $130 million and made $185 million, so it wasn't a flop, but I'm pretty sure Warners would have been pretty disappointed with only making $55 million out of it. I guess I don't really care about these kinds of things as long as the films are good, though. They can keep pumping out as many sequels as they want if they manage to come up with good films. It's only when a film was crap and they i] make sequels that I get annoyed... Trans More

Posted by AxlReznor at 12:05 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: AxlReznor I think the major studios are pushing for 12A/PG13 ratings of their big movies nowadays, not only Fox. Only directors of recent years that I think have released a large scale movie with anything higher than that are Quentin Tarantino and Zack Snyder. And I'd be surprised if Warner Bros. let Snyder get away with an 18 certificate film again after the disappointing box office for Watchmen (because they didn't realise that a Watchmen movie was /i] going to be hard to sell More

Posted by Normal Control at 11:59 on 12 February 2013 | Report This Post

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