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Die Hard 5 Earns 12A UK Rating
The BBFC passes judgement on AGDTDH

11 February 2013  |  Written by Ali Plumb  |  Source: BBFC

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A Good Day To Die Hard

The fifth film in the Die Hard franchise, the confusingly-titled A Good Day To Die Hard, has been given a 12A rating by the British Board of Film Classification, even though it was classified as an R over in the US.

You can read the BBFC's guidance below, but be warned in advance that it contains the words "mild innuendo". Oo-er!

"The film contains four uses of strong language ('f**k') and a partial use of ‘motherf***er’, the end of which has been cut short so the implied strong language is not heard in full".

"Against a backdrop of explosions, car chases and the destruction of property, there are a number of scenes featuring shootings which occasionally show brief bullet impacts, but there is no focus on blood or injury. In scenes of hand-to-hand combat we see brief punches and kicks, impressionistic rifle butt blows and an implied, but unseen, neck break. Although there are some crunchy sound effects and incidental shots of the heroes with blood on their faces and clothes, no detail of injury is shown.

"A Good Day To Die Hard also includes scenes of gun threat to the head and several brief shots of knife-blades as the heroes prepare to defend themselves. There are also passing references to 'doing drugs' and some mild innuendo."

A few notes from our end. A partial use of motherfucker? If the word motherfucker is going to be used in a Die Hard movie, chances are it'll be said after the words "Sniff my cheese!" "Yippee-kay-yay" so expect that catchphrase to be more muted than previous instances. Also, as previously hinted at, "mild innuendo" sounds more Carry On than John McClane. Sad, but true.

A Good Day To Die Hard will motherf***er its way into cinemas on February 14.

 

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L: Scruffybobby L: Drooch L: Scruffybobby Just sent this emial to Mayo and kermode - wonder if they'll reply The 12a rating given to the latest adventures of John McClane is causing much online contraversy and consternation. That the film's distributors sought guidance from the BBFC on how to achieve this rating by editing the film  from the one they submitted for advice which would have receievd a 15 has not gone down well. With other recent films such as Jack reac More

Posted by Drooch at 00:22 on 13 March 2013 | Report This Post

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L: matty_b Just dropping this here... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXE6EqvGgIQ *cough* Good video. Sadly, Kermode misses the crucial factor here, but a user called 'spacebeetle' hits the nail on the head in his comment: he whole idea of the bbfc giving advice on what to cut to get a 12A should be abandoned. From what I understand the bbfc is government run, (I'm not from Britain, so correct me if wrong) they should be therefore answerable to the viewers not the di More

Posted by Drooch at 00:18 on 13 March 2013 | Report This Post

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L: matty_b Just dropping this here... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXE6EqvGgIQ *cough* ood video. Sadly, Kermode misses the crucial factor here, but a user called 'spacebeetle' hits the nail on the head in his comment: he whole idea of the bbfc giving advice on what to cut to get a 12A should be abandoned. From what I understand the bbfc is government run, (I'm not from Britain, so correct me if wrong) they should be therefore answerable to the viewers not the distr More

Posted by Drooch at 10:35 on 28 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Shifty Bench I don't think so, no. Die Hard 5 was doomed from the start and Fox knew it. They had no faith in the film whatsoever which is why it was released on Valentines Day. don't necessarily think that's true at all. In a lot of ways that was a really canny slot. A not-too-violent daft actioner was always TOTALLY going to work as a date movie. I know several couples that never go to the cinema that were really on for a Die Hard valentines date. More

Posted by Osric at 18:30 on 20 February 2013 | Report This Post

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th Die Hard movie tallied $60.2 million this weekend for an early total of $78.7 million. Its top market was the U.K. with $7.5 million, though it also had good starts in Japan ($7 million) and Germany ($6.5 million) and decent debuts in Mexico ($3 million) and Spain ($1.98 million). ooks like going 12A was the right move. Money-wise. More

Posted by directorscut at 16:51 on 20 February 2013 | Report This Post

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I don't think so, no. Die Hard 5 was doomed from the start and Fox knew it. They had no faith in the film whatsoever which is why it was released on Valentines Day. More

Posted by Shifty Bench at 00:44 on 17 February 2013 | Report This Post

RE: Reviews
It might not be that bad no but the worry is will studios do this from now on? Cut all releases of certain genres just to rake in a universal audience. More

Posted by Phubbs at 21:38 on 16 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Phubbs Thing is will this even help DVD/BR sales? take the new Die Hard film. Even the full version is meant to be crapola, so not only will many UK cinema goers possibly not go to see it because its widely known the film has been cut down to a 12A. But they may not even bother buying it either because the full version is poor also, at least if the studio released the full version in the cinema most would probably go come what may because its Die Hard, but not now. This way the studio More

Posted by Shifty Bench at 17:02 on 16 February 2013 | Report This Post

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Well it is a concern, for the UK anyway. I don't think cinema will die but this won't do it any good if other companies start doing the same. For adults cinema may become pointless for action/sci-fi/adventure flicks, why would you go to the cinema to see a cut down action film? a film you know has been cut down on purpose. You wouldn't, you'd wait till you can buy or download the full uncut version. I mean I can see why this may become popular, cut down every adult film to a universal 12A More

Posted by Phubbs at 16:16 on 16 February 2013 | Report This Post

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opping this here... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXE6EqvGgIQ *cough* _____________________________ Good video. Sadly, Kermode misses the crucial factor here, but a user called 'spacebeetle' hits the nail on the head in his he whole idea of the bbfc giving advice on what to cut to get a 12A should be abandoned. From what I understand the bbfc is government run, (I'm not from Britain, so correct me if wrong) they should be therefore answerable to the viewers not the dis More

Posted by Drooch at 12:12 on 16 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Scruffybobby L: Drooch L: Scruffybobby Just sent this emial to Mayo and kermode - wonder if they'll reply The 12a rating given to the latest adventures of John McClane is causing much online contraversy and consternation. That the film's distributors sought guidance from the BBFC on how to achieve this rating by editing the film  from the one they submitted for advice which would have receievd a 15 has not gone down well. With other recent films such as Jack reac More

Posted by Drooch at 11:27 on 16 February 2013 | Report This Post

RE: Reviews
L: Drooch L: Scruffybobby Just sent this emial to Mayo and kermode - wonder if they'll reply The 12a rating given to the latest adventures of John McClane is causing much online contraversy and consternation. That the film's distributors sought guidance from the BBFC on how to achieve this rating by editing the film  from the one they submitted for advice which would have receievd a 15 has not gone down well. With other recent films such as Jack reacher, Taken 2 and The Hung More

Posted by Scruffybobby at 10:37 on 16 February 2013 | Report This Post

Is this the week the 80's died?
The first Die Hard is probably the greatest action film ever made. The Next two sequels were also a lot of fun. Four was however silly and 5 looks like a waste of time. Also this week use all the release of aliens colonial Marine. A video game sequel to the classic James Cameron movie Aliens. It all potentially looked good, the demo was atmospheric and it had a decent development time. I figured how bad could it be so I made the mistake of pre-ordering and ended up buying the worst videogame More

Posted by twiddle at 08:03 on 16 February 2013 | Report This Post

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I fully agree with Kermode, its bullshit, cinema is frankly dead and these companies wonder why SO MANY download films illegally. I refuse to shell out and buy a film just to see what I should of seen in the cinema...which I also must shell out for because I'm an adult and pay full whack. Screw you Hollywood! you just lost a cinema goer and film buyer (accept for the new Star Wars films...unless they are also cut! More

Posted by Phubbs at 03:32 on 16 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Scruffybobby Just sent this emial to Mayo and kermode - wonder if they'll reply The 12a rating given to the latest adventures of John McClane is causing much online contraversy and consternation. That the film's distributors sought guidance from the BBFC on how to achieve this rating by editing the film  from the one they submitted for advice which would have receievd a 15 has not gone down well. With other recent films such as Jack reacher, Taken 2 and The Hunger Games having More

Posted by Drooch at 18:25 on 15 February 2013 | Report This Post

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Plus he's bound to mention the issue during his review. Think he'll like it...? More

Posted by DancingClown at 14:29 on 15 February 2013 | Report This Post

RE: Reviews
Just dropping this here... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXE6EqvGgIQ *cough* More

Posted by matty_b at 14:24 on 15 February 2013 | Report This Post

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Just sent this emial to Mayo and kermode - wonder if they'll reply   The 12a rating given to the latest adventures of John McClane is causing much online contraversy and consternation. That the film's distributors sought guidance from the BBFC on how to achieve this rating by editing the film  from the one they submitted for advice which would have receievd a 15 has not gone down well. With other recent films such as Jack reacher, Taken 2 and The Hunger Games having gone through a More

Posted by Scruffybobby at 14:02 on 15 February 2013 | Report This Post

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It's because the BBFC are getting more lenient, I imagine. More

Posted by Shifty Bench at 14:02 on 15 February 2013 | Report This Post

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I am actually not sure how this got a 12A. Yeah, there isn't a huge amount of blood, but they show those bullets hitting. There is a lot of swearing, etc. This felt like a 15, even in its cut form. More

Posted by Rgirvan44 at 12:02 on 15 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Phubbs Well sure the rating of 'Dredd' or 'Gangster Squad' doesn't bother me per say but it might do if I were a parent. 'GS' shouldn't really be a 15 rating I was surprised, but the fact that the BBFC is seemingly being more easy doesn't effect me as an adult without kids.here's no 'seemingly' about it dude, they actually are. Gangster Squad getting a 15 and previous 18s getting 15s are proof of that. As is the fact that films like Under Siege 2 which was cut a lot back in the day More

Posted by Shifty Bench at 04:14 on 15 February 2013 | Report This Post

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Well sure the rating of 'Dredd' or 'Gangster Squad' doesn't bother me per say but it might do if I were a parent. 'GS' shouldn't really be a 15 rating I was surprised, but the fact that the BBFC is seemingly being more easy doesn't effect me as an adult without kids. What annoys me is the rating of already established violent grown up films getting modern day kiddie ratings, because they won't and can't be the same standard. Even if they are 'good' films it won't be the same as an all out More

Posted by Phubbs at 03:27 on 15 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Phubbs Yes yes I know this -_- what I mean is for a franchise like Die Hard that kind of rating just doesn't cut the mustard with the hardcore fans, the loyal fans, plus (as has been proved) I really can't see how a 12A Die Hard could be any good. Look at the kiddie 'Robocop 3' back in the day, the childish 'Terminator 3', the recent 'Total Recall' remake etc...a child rating for a known adult franchise just doesn't work and I'm reasonably positive the new 'Robocop' film will be the sa More

Posted by Shifty Bench at 03:02 on 15 February 2013 | Report This Post

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Anybody who thinks that a certificate has any bearing on the film's overall quality is just plain wrong. Wrong, wrong, diddly diddly wrong. DH5 could rival A Serbian Film in terms of on-screen violence and the consensus would still be that it's a total dog's dinner. More

Posted by MonsterCat at 02:17 on 15 February 2013 | Report This Post

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Yes yes I know this -_- what I mean is for a franchise like Die Hard that kind of rating just doesn't cut the mustard with the hardcore fans, the loyal fans, plus (as has been proved) I really can't see how a 12A Die Hard could be any good. Look at the kiddie 'Robocop 3' back in the day, the childish 'Terminator 3', the recent 'Total Recall' remake etc...a child rating for a known adult franchise just doesn't work and I'm reasonably positive the new 'Robocop' film will be the same. Loyal adult More

Posted by Phubbs at 01:47 on 15 February 2013 | Report This Post

RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ??????
L: Shifty Bench L: Cloud Cuckoo L: Phubbs That's true but I get the feeling had it been an 18 it would still attract more attention crap or not. No one is gonna be bothered in the UK now with poor reviews AND a 12A rating, like I said before what's the point of seeing a Die Hard film like this?. hat's the point in seeing a Die Hard film that's rated 18 and like this? Like Shifty said, you seem a little preoccupied with action films requiring an 18 certificate; that' More

Posted by Cloud Cuckoo at 20:17 on 14 February 2013 | Report This Post

RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ??????
L: Cloud Cuckoo L: Phubbs That's true but I get the feeling had it been an 18 it would still attract more attention crap or not. No one is gonna be bothered in the UK now with poor reviews AND a 12A rating, like I said before what's the point of seeing a Die Hard film like this?. hat's the point in seeing a Die Hard film that's rated 18 and like this? Like Shifty said, you seem a little preoccupied with action films requiring an 18 certificate; that's not going to magically More

Posted by Shifty Bench at 20:07 on 14 February 2013 | Report This Post

RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ??????
L: Phubbs That's true but I get the feeling had it been an 18 it would still attract more attention crap or not. No one is gonna be bothered in the UK now with poor reviews AND a 12A rating, like I said before what's the point of seeing a Die Hard film like this?. hat's the point in seeing a Die Hard film that's rated 18 and like this? Like Shifty said, you seem a little preoccupied with action films requiring an 18 certificate; that's not going to magically make them any better. If More

Posted by Cloud Cuckoo at 19:37 on 14 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Shifty Bench You actually mentioned Drooch by 'name'? BBFC never thought they'd have to type that word in their lifetime.ote] They may start using it as shorthand for certain other words now... More

Posted by horribleives at 17:51 on 14 February 2013 | Report This Post

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You actually mentioned Drooch by 'name'? Bet the BBFC never thought they'd have to type that word in their lifetime. More

Posted by Shifty Bench at 17:28 on 14 February 2013 | Report This Post

RE: Die Hard 5 Earns 12A UK Rating
Got this email from the BBFC. i]Thank you for your email and bringing this matter to our attention. People are, of course, entitled to their opinions. We have provided clear information about our classification of A GOOD DAY TO DIE HARD, including about the precuts, on our website. I enclose the relevant link below - http://www.bbfc.co.uk/releases/good-day-die-hard-2013-5 You may wish to refer Drooch to this page. Yours sincerely, J L Green Chief Assistant (P More

Posted by MonsterCat at 17:08 on 14 February 2013 | Report This Post

RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ??????
L: horribleives L: Drooch L: horribleives L: Drooch L: Shifty Bench L: Drooch L: MonsterCat We're hearing you loud and clear, Drooch, but you're still wrong. The BBFC can't tell a studio not to cut their films. reat, now answer this question: Why are you absolving the BBFC of blame, and why do you think the UK ends up with such a comparatively huge list of butchered films? Why do you think virtually every action film relea More

Posted by Drooch at 16:03 on 14 February 2013 | Report This Post

RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ??????
L: Drooch L: horribleives L: Drooch L: Shifty Bench L: Drooch L: MonsterCat We're hearing you loud and clear, Drooch, but you're still wrong. The BBFC can't tell a studio not to cut their films. reat, now answer this question: Why are you absolving the BBFC of blame, and why do you think the UK ends up with such a comparatively huge list of butchered films? Why do you think virtually every action film released during the 80's and 9 More

Posted by horribleives at 13:50 on 14 February 2013 | Report This Post

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I agree with you all but I just feel an 18 cert would simply gain more interest from everyone, it just looks better haha. More

Posted by Phubbs at 11:44 on 14 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: MonsterCat Like I said up top, the 12A doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. f the film had been shot as a 12A and was the same version that the US is getting, it wouldn't bother me. It's the fact that we're getting a heavily censored version that does. More

Posted by Shifty Bench at 11:42 on 14 February 2013 | Report This Post

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I would argue that passing off some piece of half-baked crap is more of a slap in the face for the franchise and the fans. Which unfortunately seems to be the case here. Like I said up top, the 12A doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. More

Posted by MonsterCat at 11:35 on 14 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Phubbs That's true but I get the feeling had it been an 18 it would still attract more attention crap or not. No one is gonna be bothered in the UK now with poor reviews AND a 12A rating, like I said before what's the point of seeing a Die Hard film like this?. ou're a bit obsessed with this whole 'action films should be an 18' thing. ne of the Die Hard films is rated 18 now as the original was downgraded to a 15 (as were the first two Lethal Weapons). You can get away with a lot in a 1 More

Posted by Shifty Bench at 11:28 on 14 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Cloud Cuckoo The Empire review is in, can you believe it got five stars??? *coughminusthreecough* AY TO DIE HARDooks fucking abysmal, post and pre cuts. Some blood and sweary words shall not this turkey save. That's true but I get the feeling had it been an 18 it would still attract more attention crap or not. No one is gonna be bothered in the UK now with poor reviews AND a 12A rating, like I said before what's the point of seeing a Die Hard film like this?. More

Posted by Phubbs at 11:16 on 14 February 2013 | Report This Post

RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ??????
The Empire review is in, can you believe it got five stars??? *coughminusthreecough* AY TO DIE HARDooks fucking abysmal, post and pre cuts. Some blood and sweary words shall not this turkey save. More

Posted by Cloud Cuckoo at 03:48 on 14 February 2013 | Report This Post

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Well I think I'll still enjoy this (IMAX booked) although I am a tad irritated at the change of rating solely for us. It's the studio trying to take advantage of the school's being off nothing more. That is pretty desperate and reek's of the studio trying to shore up the losses on a expensive turkey. Why they'd appoint a poor director/writer combo then panic when they create a turd is the question I'd like to know the answer of. More

Posted by Magneto at 23:52 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: AxlReznor Strange, considering I haven't been offline in ages (though I have been attempting to ignore this thread). In answer to your questions, obviously not to the first two, to the third one, theatres show movies because without them there business would be a bit slow... I'd've thought they'd have to pay for prints of the film and not the other way around, considering they make their money from a portion of ticket sales. Either way, I'm not taking that into account... the More

Posted by My name is Legion at 23:25 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

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5 stars?! wow i did not see that one coming More

Posted by jackcarter at 22:11 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Cloud Cuckoo link=http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://image s5.fanpop.com/image/photos/24700000/McClane-Family-Pict ure-die-hard-24771677-200-200.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www. fanpop.com/clubs/die-hard/images/24771677/title/mcclane -family-picture&h=200&w=200&sz=13&tbnid=athu3gGWik6O3M: &tbnh=90&tbnw=90&prev=/search%3Fq%3Ddie%2Bhard%2Blooks% 2Bat%2Bphoto%2Bof%2Bfamily%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom= 1&q=die+hard+looks+at+photo+of+family&usg=__r7SoW9lHB7J Gm59_t2iVAs-l1-A=&docid=Oe More

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L: elab49 Dipsticks hat's insulting and offensive! link=http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://image s5.fanpop.com/image/photos/24700000/McClane-Family-Pict ure-die-hard-24771677-200-200.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www. fanpop.com/clubs/die-hard/images/24771677/title/mcclane -family-picture&h=200&w=200&sz=13&tbnid=athu3gGWik6O3M: &tbnh=90&tbnw=90&prev=/search%3Fq%3Ddie%2Bhard%2Blooks% 2Bat%2Bphoto%2Bof%2Bfamily%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom= 1&q=die+hard+looks+at+photo+of+family& More

Posted by Cloud Cuckoo at 20:23 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

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Exactly!!! He's drawing or something when Lucy answers the phone in the first movie too. I have had to correct a couple of people today on this very matter, I think people are just trying to find more stuff about the film to moan about DIT: He's sitting on the floor playing while Lucy draws..... More

Posted by Shifty Bench at 20:21 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

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Dipsticks More

Posted by elab49 at 20:11 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

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Anyone else heard/read that some people are questioning the fact that McClane 'suddenly' now has a son? More

Posted by Shifty Bench at 20:08 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

Reviews
Here are some reviews - not looking good! http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/a_good_day_to_ die_hard/ More

Posted by KingButtMonkey at 19:33 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

Reviews
Here are some reviews - not looking good! http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/a_good_day_to_ die_hard/ More

Posted by KingButtMonkey at 19:31 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: elab49 To save people wasting their time typing them, posts that exist solely to try and continue the arguments above will simply be removed.  ascist. More

Posted by DancingClown at 18:21 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

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DUPLICATE POST More

Posted by Cloud Cuckoo at 17:57 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: UTB 5 STARS I RECKON Better than the original." I would laugh my arse off. More

Posted by Cloud Cuckoo at 17:56 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

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5 STARS I RECKON More

Posted by UTB at 17:34 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

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Yup. There is an embargo stopping reviews until release day. Shows what faith Fox have in it anyway, that and the fact they are releasing it on Valentines day More

Posted by Shifty Bench at 17:20 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

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The fact there isn't a review yet, tells you all you need to know. More

Posted by matty_b at 17:10 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Cool Breeze Wheres the bloody review ? omorrow. Twitter said. More

Posted by Shifty Bench at 17:03 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

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To save people wasting their time typing them, posts that exist solely to try and continue the arguments above will simply be removed.  More

Posted by elab49 at 16:58 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Drooch L: Cloud Cuckoo Matty_b is a smug fucking liar? What a dream match for this smug prick! eriously Drooch, lay off the puerile insults and attacks. It's doing absolutely nothing to aid your argument - quite the opposite; adults only resort to playground name calling when they are defeated. don't want to attack anyone, I want to debate this issue about the BBFC being complicit in the censorship of DH5, but if a user chooses to downshift to insults and personal attacks More

Posted by elab49 at 16:41 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

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No, but you can raise the report again - we don't mind duplicates for that reason. Some people multi-report the same post over and over again allll the time More

Posted by elab49 at 16:39 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: elab49 One tip I'm afraid - check who a ticket is assigned to. Empire Admin don't notify Mods if it is assigned to them (it's a dumb part of the tech set-up but there's nothing we can do about it). One more personal insult, calling out, behaving like a general trolling ass in thread and users will be going on pre-Mod. That goes for childishly unsubtle digs and language deliberately sharpened to provoke responses and argument. And a reminder to more regular users who shouldn't nee More

Posted by AxlReznor at 16:38 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ??????
L: Cloud Cuckoo Matty_b is a smug fucking liar? What a dream match for this smug prick! eriously Drooch, lay off the puerile insults and attacks. It's doing absolutely nothing to aid your argument - quite the opposite; adults only resort to playground name calling when they are defeated. don't want to attack anyone, I want to debate this issue about the BBFC being complicit in the censorship of DH5, but if a user chooses to downshift to insults and personal attacks then they can e More

Posted by Drooch at 16:36 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ??????
One tip I'm afraid - check who a ticket is assigned to. Empire Admin don't notify Mods if it is assigned to them (it's a dumb part of the tech set-up but there's nothing we can do about it). One more personal insult, calling out, behaving like a general trolling ass in thread and users will be going on pre-Mod. That goes for childishly unsubtle digs and language deliberately sharpened to provoke responses and argument. And a reminder to more regular users who shouldn't need reminding - at More

Posted by elab49 at 16:35 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

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Strange, considering I haven't been offline in ages (though I have been attempting to ignore this thread). In answer to your questions, obviously not to the first two, to the third one, theatres show movies because without them there business would be a bit slow... I'd've thought they'd have to pay for prints of the film and not the other way around, considering they make their money from a portion of ticket sales. Either way, I'm not taking that into account... they made a profit on the More

Posted by AxlReznor at 16:34 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ??????
I notice AxlReznor is "currently offline ". Take your time "genius", I'll log off now too, I wonder if you'll have answered my questions when I get back... More

Posted by My name is Legion at 16:30 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Discodez L: Drooch L: Discodez Point one: Have click around the article and you'll see the rules and regulations for different countries, the article states quite clearly that major studios submit different edits of the same film to different countries allowing for local laws and sensibilities. However have a look here films)u'll see, for example that Saw 3D was initially banned in Germany but was later made available in an edited version. by the way, this i More

Posted by Drooch at 16:24 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: MonsterCat a wind-up merchant.f course he/she is a wind-up merchant, I'm stunned you lot have gone along with it for so long. More

Posted by My name is Legion at 16:18 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: AxlReznor When people have called out trolls before, the moderators have informed us that we should instead report the offending posts to them so they can do something about it. Considering doing the right thing seems to have led to no response, then... For God's sake, shut up, fucking troll!!! I've been very patient so far, but your continued insistence that anyone who backs up their arguments with actual reasoned debates are just attacking you, whilst you yourself are calli More

Posted by Drooch at 16:16 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

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You're either an utter moron or a wind-up merchant. Either way I'm done here. More

Posted by MonsterCat at 16:16 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: MonsterCat L: Drooch Err, if you're going to say I'm 'wrong, wrong and wrong-diddly-wrong-wrong' then the onus is on you to back that up. All you've done is throw some document at me and expect me to find your evidence in it, and then have the gall to suggest that you're doing my research for me. A child could debate than you. Come back when you've found your supporting evidence. o wait a tick: you've been demanding people to back up their opposing views with research More

Posted by Drooch at 16:13 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

RE: Die Hard: Dead and Resting in Peace
L: AxlReznor L: My name is Legion L: AxlReznor Watchmen only just managed to scrape a profit... it cost $130 million and made $185 million, so it wasn't a flop, but I'm pretty sure Warners would have been pretty disappointed with only making $55 million out of it.f you genuinely think that they made a $55 million profit from n BO, then you shouldn't be commenting on anything regarding the business side of film. ell what else would you call it when a film costs $130 millio More

Posted by My name is Legion at 16:08 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: matty_b could debate than you.ORE than you. Missed a word out there, sharpy. BETTER than you', but thanks for trying. More

Posted by Drooch at 16:08 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

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Feels like Thursday in here. More

Posted by garvielloken at 16:07 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Cloud Cuckoo Matty_b is a smug fucking liar? What a dream match for this smug prick! /quote] I can be a smug fucking liar, too. : ( More

Posted by MonsterCat at 16:04 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

RE: Die Hard: Dead and Resting in Peace
L: My name is Legion L: AxlReznor Watchmen only just managed to scrape a profit... it cost $130 million and made $185 million, so it wasn't a flop, but I'm pretty sure Warners would have been pretty disappointed with only making $55 million out of it.f you genuinely think that they made a $55 million profit from n BO, then you shouldn't be commenting on anything regarding the business side of film. ell what else would you call it when a film costs $130 million and makes $185 milli More

Posted by AxlReznor at 16:04 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

RE: Die Hard: Dead and Resting in Peace
L: AxlReznor Watchmen only just managed to scrape a profit... it cost $130 million and made $185 million, so it wasn't a flop, but I'm pretty sure Warners would have been pretty disappointed with only making $55 million out of it.f you genuinely think that they made a $55 million profit from n BO, then you shouldn't be commenting on anything regarding the business side of film. More

Posted by My name is Legion at 16:00 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Drooch I was incredibly generous in describing you as a smug prick. hat a gentleman you are. Seriously, you could be a Jane Austen hero. My heart is pounding. you tell me a piece of information that I apparently haven't absorbed? sm=happy07.gif] MonsterCat is right: you are actually insane. More

Posted by Cloud Cuckoo at 15:58 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Cloud Cuckoo Matty_b is a smug fucking liar? What a dream match for this smug prick! eriously Drooch, lay off the puerile insults and attacks. It's doing absolutely nothing to aid your argument - quite the opposite; only resort to playground name calling when they are defeated.ote] Shit... More

Posted by AxlReznor at 15:51 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: AxlReznor For God's sake, shut up, fucking troll!!! I've been very patient so far, but your continued insistence that anyone who backs up their arguments with actual reasoned debates are just attacking you, whilst you yourself are calling people "cowards", "fucking liars" amongst many other things have made me lose my patience. Fuck off... seriously. There's no point continuing this debate if you're just going to keep on acting like a spoilt little bitch! FUCK OFF! hat's beauti More

Posted by Cloud Cuckoo at 15:50 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Cloud Cuckoo L: matty_b L: Drooch L: Cloud Cuckoo You keep blaming the BBFC for cuts made to Die Hard 5 and other films. Literally everyone else who has commented has said that this is wrong and that the BBFC are not culpable; it is the grasping studios who make the cuts in order to squeeze more money out of their films. Every time someone points this out, you reply with the same arguments as before, except you start highlighting chunks of text in bold as i More

Posted by Drooch at 15:47 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ??????
Matty_b is a smug fucking liar? What a dream match for this smug prick! eriously Drooch, lay off the puerile insults and attacks. It's doing absolutely nothing to aid your argument - quite the opposite; adults only resort to playground name calling when they are defeated. More

Posted by Cloud Cuckoo at 15:47 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ??????
L: Dannybohy L: AxlReznor When people have called out trolls before, the moderators have informed us that we should instead report the offending posts to them so they can do something about it. Considering doing the right thing seems to have led to no response, then... For God's sake, shut up, fucking troll!!! I've been very patient so far, but your continued insistence that anyone who backs up their arguments with actual reasoned debates are just attacking you, whilst you More

Posted by AxlReznor at 15:44 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ??????
L: AxlReznor When people have called out trolls before, the moderators have informed us that we should instead report the offending posts to them so they can do something about it. Considering doing the right thing seems to have led to no response, then... For God's sake, shut up, fucking troll!!! I've been very patient so far, but your continued insistence that anyone who backs up their arguments with actual reasoned debates are just attacking you, whilst you yourself are calli More

Posted by Dannybohy at 15:43 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ??????
L: Drooch L: Discodez Point one: Have click around the article and you'll see the rules and regulations for different countries, the article states quite clearly that major studios submit different edits of the same film to different countries allowing for local laws and sensibilities. However have a look here films)u'll see, for example that Saw 3D was initially banned in Germany but was later made available in an edited version. by the way, this is the first and last More

Posted by Discodez at 15:38 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ??????
When people have called out trolls before, the moderators have informed us that we should instead report the offending posts to them so they can do something about it. Considering doing the right thing seems to have led to no response, then... For God's sake, shut up, fucking troll!!! I've been very patient so far, but your continued insistence that anyone who backs up their arguments with actual reasoned debates are just attacking you, whilst you yourself are calling people "cowards", " More

Posted by AxlReznor at 15:32 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ??????
L: Drooch Err, if you're going to say I'm 'wrong, wrong and wrong-diddly-wrong-wrong' then the onus is on you to back that up. All you've done is throw some document at me and expect me to find your evidence in it, and then have the gall to suggest that you're doing my research for me. A child could debate than you. Come back when you've found your supporting evidence. o wait a tick: you've been demanding people to back up their opposing views with research and what not, and when More

Posted by MonsterCat at 15:23 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

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could debate than you.ORE than you. Missed a word out there, sharpy. More

Posted by matty_b at 15:22 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ??????
L: Discodez Point one: Have click around the article and you'll see the rules and regulations for different countries, the article states quite clearly that major studios submit different edits of the same film to different countries allowing for local laws and sensibilities. However have a look here films)u'll see, for example that Saw 3D was initially banned in Germany but was later made available in an edited version. by the way, this is the first and last time I will do your re More

Posted by Drooch at 15:15 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: MonsterCat The last line in Drooch's post is quite funny if you read it in a haughty English accent and then add "I challenge you to a duel, you blaggard. Pistols at dawn!" quote]ORIGINAL: MonsterCat Actually, Matty is an uncouth scumbag. Runs in the family apparently. magine if Farrell worked for the BBFC. The horror, the horror... L: rawlinson L: matty_b But you're right, I'm such an embarrassment. My parents are probably weeping as I type this More

Posted by matty_b at 15:10 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: Drooch L: matty_b L: Drooch What's to 'destroy'? This is a discussion about the BBFC and why the UK ends up with cut versions when other similar countries don't. If I've been 'destroyed' I really haven't noticed. You seem to be mistaking this for some kind of war zone, why? quote]ORIGINAL: Drooch Absolute DISGRACE. I hope many of you will join me in boycotting this atrocity. I'm trying very hard to avoid piracy but Fox are forcing UK viewers to avoid censor More

Posted by Dannybohy at 15:09 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: MonsterCat The last line in Drooch's post is quite funny if you read it in a haughty English accent and then add "I challenge you to a duel, you blaggard. Pistols at dawn!" h my God, you're right! More

Posted by AxlReznor at 15:07 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

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The last line in Drooch's post is quite funny if you read it in a haughty English accent and then add "I challenge you to a duel, you blaggard. Pistols at dawn!" More

Posted by MonsterCat at 15:05 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: MonsterCat All joking aside, what is that makes Die Hard such a great film? Is it the fact that it has McClane smoking fools with a machine gun and there's blood all over the place and Willis says fuck and motherfucker? No, it's the well written script, McTiernan's tight direction, Rickman's delicious villainy and a winning performance from Willis. McTiernan could have made that film with much tighter constraints in terms of violence and it still would still be awesome. Fuck, a More

Posted by Dannybohy at 15:04 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: rawlinson L: matty_b But you're right, I'm such an embarrassment. My parents are probably weeping as I type this. Well, I know my mum is, she's read what people have written about her on here. ot going to ask where she's weeping from. sm=happy07.gif] More

Posted by Cool Breeze at 15:02 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

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L: matty_b But you're right, I'm such an embarrassment. My parents are probably weeping as I type this. Well, I know my mum is, she's read what people have written about her on here. ot going to ask where she's weeping from. More

Posted by rawlinson at 14:59 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

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Actually, Matty is an uncouth scumbag. Runs in the family apparently. More

Posted by MonsterCat at 14:59 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ??????
L: Drooch L: matty_b L: Drooch What's to 'destroy'? This is a discussion about the BBFC and why the UK ends up with cut versions when other similar countries don't. If I've been 'destroyed' I really haven't noticed. You seem to be mistaking this for some kind of war zone, why? quote]ORIGINAL: Drooch Absolute DISGRACE. I hope many of you will join me in boycotting this atrocity. I'm trying very hard to avoid piracy but Fox are forcing UK viewers to avoid censor More

Posted by rawlinson at 14:58 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ??????
L: Drooch L: matty_b L: Drooch What's to 'destroy'? This is a discussion about the BBFC and why the UK ends up with cut versions when other similar countries don't. If I've been 'destroyed' I really haven't noticed. You seem to be mistaking this for some kind of war zone, why? quote]ORIGINAL: Drooch Absolute DISGRACE. I hope many of you will join me in boycotting this atrocity. I'm trying very hard to avoid piracy but Fox are forcing UK viewers to avoid censor More

Posted by matty_b at 14:57 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

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Wheres the bloody review ? The films out tomorrow ! More

Posted by Cool Breeze at 14:52 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

RE: 12A ?????????????? Why ??????
L: matty_b L: Drooch What's to 'destroy'? This is a discussion about the BBFC and why the UK ends up with cut versions when other similar countries don't. If I've been 'destroyed' I really haven't noticed. You seem to be mistaking this for some kind of war zone, why? quote]ORIGINAL: Drooch Absolute DISGRACE. I hope many of you will join me in boycotting this atrocity. I'm trying very hard to avoid piracy but Fox are forcing UK viewers to avoid censored kiddy crap the o More

Posted by Drooch at 14:49 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

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All joking aside, what is that makes Die Hard such a great film? Is it the fact that it has McClane smoking fools with a machine gun and there's blood all over the place and Willis says fuck and motherfucker? No, it's the well written script, McTiernan's tight direction, Rickman's delicious villainy and a winning performance from Willis. McTiernan could have made that film with much tighter constraints in terms of violence and it still would still be awesome. Fuck, any bullshit action flic More

Posted by MonsterCat at 14:09 on 13 February 2013 | Report This Post

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