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Oh, I found the Will Self quote. it's a good'n!! Personally I think he hits the nail on the head and it could be applied to both Inception and TDK:
"It's a dirty, thankless task, but someone has to do it; someone has to point out that, no, Inception wasn't the last word in SF meta-sophistication, but rather a stupid person's idea of what an intelligent film is like."
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Shall we just move on now and all agree to disagree. This /b]ildly off-topic.
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No, you've hijacked a discussion on the new trailer for the new Batman film and taken it off topic and turned it into an "I hate Nolan and his "fanboys" so I'm just trying to piss them off" thread. Which I believe is the very definition of trolling.
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And it's not off-topic to discuss the Director and previous films in the franchise that we have just watched the trailer for.
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Oh, I found the Will Self quote. it's a good'n!! Personally I think he hits the nail on the head and it could be applied to both Inception and TDK:
"It's a dirty, thankless task, but someone has to do it; someone has to point out that, no, Inception wasn't the last word in SF meta-sophistication, but rather a stupid person's idea of what an intelligent film is like."
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You're just being silly and trolling now...
Maybe you should head over to the unpopular opionions thread and start an "I hate Nolan - anyone agree" discusssion.
don't think you understand what trolling is.
We're having a discussion about Nolan's films, sorry I'm of a different opinion to you. Perhaps if you don't want anyone disagreeing you shouldn't be using an internet forum?
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But of course, we're not allowed to say bad of the Mighty Nolan, because as you see the rabid fanboys will hear none of it.
rr no, I just stated I disagreed with you & then offered an explanation(s) as to why.
I am a bit of a Nolan fanboy, but I can accept reason. I just felt your offering of it wasn't very substantial. /quote]
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But of course, we're not allowed to say bad of the Mighty Nolan, because as you see the rabid fanboys will hear none of it.
rr no, I just stated I disagreed with you & then offered an explanation(s) as to why.
I am a bit of a Nolan fanboy, but I can accept reason. I just felt your offering of it wasn't very substantial. /quote]
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But of course, we're not allowed to say bad of the Mighty Nolan, because as you see the rabid fanboys will hear none of it.
rr no, I just stated I disagreed with you & then offered an explanation(s) as to why.
I am a bit of a Nolan fanboy, but I can accept reason. I just felt your offering of it wasn't very substantial. More
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Au contraire, it had nothing to do with my suspension of disbelief. I loved The Avengers, totally overlooked the numerous holes and flaws in it because I knew it was entirely grounded in fantasy.
I love the Batman comics. I suspend my disbelief for everything in that because once again it's grounded in fantasy.
Nolan touted his film as being grounded in reality, thus I found the gaping flaws in the logic and plot more apparent.
But of course, we're not allowed to say bad of the Mi More
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Oh, I found the Will Self quote. it's a good'n!! Personally I think he hits the nail on the head and it could be applied to both Inception and TDK:
"It’s a dirty, thankless task, but someone has to do it; someone has to point out that, no, Inception wasn’t the last word in SF meta-sophistication, but rather a stupid person’s idea of what an intelligent film is like."
http://will-self.com/2011/02/11/on-the-coen-brothers/
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No, but he basically said that Inception is a stupid persons idea of an intelligent film.
Perhaps you two aren't enraged - but many are.
There is an argument that there's a lot going on & not all of it fully works, but TDK does have intelligent strands within it. To deny that is just plain daft. I'm not claiming that it's a completely sophisticated film on a par with say a Seventh Seal or a Wings Of Desire, but I feel the pair of you are being overtly dismissive just because it's a f More
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Oh, I found the Will Self quote. it's a good'n!! Personally I think he hits the nail on the head and it could be applied to both Inception and TDK:
"It’s a dirty, thankless task, but someone has to do it; someone has to point out that, no, Inception wasn’t the last word in SF meta-sophistication, but rather a stupid person’s idea of what an intelligent film is like."
http://will-self.com/2011/02/11/on-the-coen-brothers/
Haha! Yeah, a little smug. But he is right. More
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And Qwerty, I like your reasonings. I should just not think about it and I'll find the films clever?
That sounds awfully like the very smug thing Will Self said about Inception. never said you shouldn't think about it, I'm just saying that folks criticisms of TDK & so forth seem to be based on a biased prejudice over Nolan choosing to go with specific tone that is a little unusual for a big budget film / comic book adaptation & that they're More
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And Qwerty, I like your reasonings. I should just not think about it and I'll find the films clever?
That sounds awfully like the very smug thing Will Self said about Inception. never said you shouldn't think about it, I'm just saying that folks criticisms of TDK & so forth seem to be based on a biased prejudice over Nolan choosing to go with specific tone that is a little unusual for a big budget film / comic book adaptation & that they're More
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And Qwerty, I like your reasonings. I should just not think about it and I'll find the films clever?
That sounds awfully like the very smug thing Will Self said about Inception. never said you shouldn't think about it, I'm just saying that folks criticisms of TDK & so forth seem to be based on a biased prejudice over Nolan choosing to go with specific tone that is a little unusual for a big budget film / comic book adaptation & that they're enraged people have dared More
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You're just being silly and trolling now...
Maybe you should head over to the unpopular opionions thread and start an "I hate Nolan - anyone agree" discusssion.
don't think you understand what trolling is.
We're having a discussion about Nolan's films, sorry I'm of a different opinion to you. Perhaps if you don't want anyone disagreeing you shouldn't be using an internet forum?
And Qwerty, I like your reasonings. I should just not think about it and I'l More
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Yeah Dark Knight had quite a few confusing parts...why does Batman decide to take the fall for Dent's murder? I mean the whole idea was preserving Dent's reputation so that the people of Gotham wouldn't lose hope in a brighter future...which was what Batman was supposed to be inspiring as well...so when he spends so long terrifying criminals and then makes it seem like he randomly decided to kill "Gotham's White Knight" then what faith are the people of Gotham supposed to feel? More
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Yeah Dark Knight had quite a few confusing parts...why does Batman decide to take the fall for Dent's murder? I mean the whole idea was preserving Dent's reputation so that the people of Gotham wouldn't lose hope in a brighter future...which was what Batman was supposed to be inspiring as well...so when he spends so long terrifying criminals and then makes it seem like he randomly decided to kill "Gotham's White Knight" then what faith are the people of Gotham supposed to feel?! More
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Are we all forgetting Batman wears armour. I always assumed it was his armour and the cape slowing him down that saves them. If you start thinking the car cushions the fall then yeah it does start to sound pretty ridiculous.
We could pick out plot holes of every film ever created, it's a film, suspension of disbelief is paramount when watching any film, if we started having every minor plot detail explained to us on screen watching films would be a very boring experience indeed !! More
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So what I was saying is mostly true...when he said it was grounded in reality, he didn't mean reality reality, he meant that other reality that all movies are based in. More
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Not sure what you mean, can you give an example?
You implied Inception & The Dark Knight have character motivations that were unrealistic, yet the antagonist in Following & Teddy in Memento both do things that are very questionable in the specific circumstances that they're in.
In the context of the earlier movies their motivations don't intrude on the dynamic of the story in a way that breaks the illusion. In the later movies (TDK in particular) the mo More
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Yeah Dark Knight had quite a few confusing parts...why does Batman decide to take the fall for Dent's murder? I mean the whole idea was preserving Dent's reputation so that the people of Gotham wouldn't lose hope in a brighter future...which was what Batman was supposed to be inspiring as well...so when he spends so long terrifying criminals and then makes it seem like he randomly decided to kill "Gotham's White Knight" then what faith are the people of Gotham supposed to feel?!
Also how d More
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This says it much better than I can: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbgLapRAloQ&feature=play er_embedded More
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Not sure what you mean, can you give an example?
ou implied Inception & The Dark Knight have character motivations that were unrealistic, yet the antagonist in Following & Teddy in Memento both do things that are very questionable in the specific circumstances that they're in.
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In the context of the earlier movies their motivations don't intrude on the dynamic of the story in a way that breaks the illusion. In the later mov More
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Thank you for those links fierce.
Perhaps Nolan meant it was 'Grounded in (movie) reality.' you know the type of reality where cigarettes can ignite gasoline and people can punch car windows without breaking any bones... More
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I'd have no problem with it using comic book science if they didn't tout it as being "realistic" and "grounded in reality" etc.
his is a fairly ridiculous statement to be honest. All of Nolan's Batman films are pure fantasy wrapped up in a fairly grounded approach. If you extrapolate the idea of someone, in real life, dressing up as a bat and driving around the streets in a tank then it all sounds exceedingly stupid. But Nolan's approach is so successful More
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Sure you don't like his films or his style, that's fine, but at least have an argument that stands up to scrutiny.
That's the funny thing about a personal thing that often can not be backed up with facts and figures because it's down to how a person feels. It's also extremely doubtful I'm going to be able to convince you to feel the same way I do because you have your own sp;
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Sure you don't like his films or his style, that's fine, but at least have an argument that stands up to scrutiny.
That's the funny thing about a personal thing that often can not be backed up with facts and figures because it's down to how a person feels. It's also extremely doubtful I'm going to be able to convince you to feel the same way I do because you have your own L: Darth Marenghi
Moving away from the intricacies/implausibilities of Nolan's plotting for a More
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The trailer is excellent, and well judged, not simply repeating and expanding the content of the other trailers, but giving just a little more, not too much, and I think possibly a rather well judged in joke from nolan, 'incepting' the idea of people wondering where else he can take them viewing wise...
You've given them everything.
Not everything. Not yet.
But whatever, the strength of this trailer is (to me) mainly in the music, just watch it with the hea More
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Moving away from the intricacies/implausibilities of Nolan's plotting for a moment, anyone have any thoughts on who should play Batman Mk. 5? I'm genuinely stumped on candidates this time round. More
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still don't really understand what the hell they did there with the finger print thingy.t makes no sense on any level. Sonar doesnt work like that either.
t's a Nolan worship thing. If they can't understand it, that means the movie is extremely clever. Same happened with Inception, people raved about how intelligent it was and how much of a mindfuck it was.
No it just didn't make sense and had made-up science. Other than, very simple plotline.
went i More
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Not sure what you mean, can you give an example?
ou implied Inception & The Dark Knight have character motivations that were unrealistic, yet the antagonist in Following & Teddy in Memento both do things that are very questionable in the specific circumstances that they're in.
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My point is simply that Following and Memento hold together much better as movies - smart and sophisticated, low on indulgent cliches where as TDK or Inception More
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I'd have no problem with it using comic book science if they didn't tout it as being "realistic" and "grounded in reality" etc.
his is a fairly ridiculous statement to be honest. All of Nolan's Batman films are pure fantasy wrapped up in a fairly grounded approach. If you extrapolate the idea of someone, in real life, dressing up as a bat and driving around the streets in a tank then it all sounds exceedingly stupid. But Nolan's approach is so successful that people buy the m More
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Nolan took away the more fantastical elements from the comic, that in itself is giving the films a more realistic tone add to the fact the use of practical effects work at every opportunity. I really don't see the point either its like moaning about the gadgets in Bond. More
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Me too. If a films good its good.
Take Avengers for instance which is complete fantasy which could be picked apart quite easily. Still a great film though. ote]
exactlys why I have no idea where fiercehairdo is coming from,almost all fictional films can be picked at,whats his point? More
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Me too. If a films good its good.
Take Avengers for instance which is complete fantasy which could be picked apart quite easily. Still a great film though. More
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I always took the grounded in reality part to mean that there are no Aliens or proper characters with superpowers.
Not the realism of the technology or finer plot details.
think I took it as 50/50,but obviously theres alot more fiction than there is a grounded reality,which I'm totally fine with.
I just want a good film.
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I always took the grounded in reality part to mean that there are no Aliens or proper characters with superpowers.
Not the realism of the technology or finer plot details. More
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still don't really understand what the hell they did there with the finger print thingy.t makes no sense on any level. Sonar doesnt work like that either.
t's a Nolan worship thing. If they can't understand it, that means the movie is extremely clever. Same happened with Inception, people raved about how intelligent it was and how much of a mindfuck it was.
No it just didn't make se More
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On the other hand, 'grounding in realism' is as much about making the audience have a genuine reaction to the events as opposed to a 'it a super hero film' reaction. The aftermath of Rachel's death in TDK and Barbara Gordon's reaction to 'losing' Jim, are a case in point. The latter, Barvara screaming YOU DID THIS at Batman and him bowing his head, believing it to be true is more about realism than the absolutely hokey premise of a man dressing up as a bat to fight crime. Nolan's achievement is More
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still don't really understand what the hell they did there with the finger print thingy.t makes no sense on any level. Sonar doesnt work like that either.
t's a Nolan worship thing. If they can't understand it, that means the movie is extremely clever. Same happened with Inception, people raved about how intelligent it was and how much of a mindfuck it was.
No it just didn't make sense and had made-up More
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Nolan is very over-rated and hasn't lived up to potential of the wonderful Following and Memento unfortunately.
his is a bizarre statement, given the characterisation problems of TDK & Inception could just as easily be attributed to some of the figureheads in Following & Memento as well.
ot sure what you mean, can you give an example? My point is simply that Following and Memento hold together much better as movies - smart and s More
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The trailer is excellent, and well judged, not simply repeating and expanding the content of the other trailers, but giving just a little more, not too much, and I think possibly a rather well judged in joke from nolan, 'incepting' the idea of people wondering where else he can take them viewing wise...
You've given them everything.
Not everything. Not yet.
But whatever, the strength of this trailer is (to me) mainly in the music, just watch it with the headphones up loud, isolat More
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I think your taking the notion of being realistic and grounded in reality far too literal. It's a stylistic approach, if you don't like it fair enough but it's probably not the best idea to start criticising the people who do just because the idea is completely lost on you.
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still don't really understand what the hell they did there with the finger print thingy.t makes no sense on any level. Sonar doesnt work like that either.
t's a Nolan worship thing. If they can't understand it, that means the movie is extremely clever. Same happened with Inception, people raved about how intelligent it was and how much of a mindfuck it was.
No it just didn't make sense and had made-up science. Other than, More
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still don't really understand what the hell they did there with the finger print thingy.t makes no sense on any level. Sonar doesnt work like that either.
t's a Nolan worship thing. If they can't understand it, that means the movie is extremely clever. Same happened with Inception, people raved about how intelligent it was and how much of a mindfuck it was.
No it just didn't make sense and had made-up science. Other than, very simple plo More
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still don't really understand what the hell they did there with the finger print thingy.t makes no sense on any level. Sonar doesnt work like that either.
t's a Nolan worship thing. If they can't understand it, that means the movie is extremely clever. Same happened with Inception, people raved about how intelligent it was and how much of a mindfuck it was.
No it just didn't make sense and had made-up science. Other than, very simple plotline.
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Hang on, you mean we can't share dreams to steal peoples secrets. Who knew ! More
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It's a Nolan worship thing. If they can't understand it, that means the movie is extremely clever. Same happened with Inception, people raved about how intelligent it was and how much of a mindfuck it was. No it just didn't make sense and had made-up science. Other than, very simple plotline.
otta love forum members who claim to know how other film fans think. Brilliant stuff.
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Nolan is very over-rated and hasn't lived up to potential of the wonderful Following and Memento unfortunately.
his is a bizarre statement, given the characterisation problems of TDK & Inception could just as easily be attributed to some of the figureheads in Following & Memento as well.
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still don't really understand what the hell they did there with the finger print thingy.t makes no sense on any level. Sonar doesnt work like that either.
t's a Nolan worship thing. If they can't understand it, that means the movie is extremely clever. Same happened with Inception, people raved about how intelligent it was and how much of a mindfuck it was.
No it just didn't make sense and had made-up science. Other than, very simple plotline.
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batman gets ass kicked and back broken, bane takes over gotham, 8 yrs later batman rises to defeat bane with catwman helping in bad girl good girl role, batman dies!!!! My prediction oh and i dont think they will do robin or nightwing More
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still don't really understand what the hell they did there with the finger print thingy.t makes no sense on any level. Sonar doesnt work like that either.
t's a Nolan worship thing. If they can't understand it, that means the movie is extremely clever. Same happened with Inception, people raved about how intelligent it was and how much of a mindfuck it was.
No it just didn't make sense and had made-up science. Other than, very simple plotline. More
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still don't really understand what the hell they did there with the finger print thingy.t makes no sense on any level. Sonar doesnt work like that either. More
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an film has ever really followed the comics faithfully. I'd love to see a lighter, dark grey coloured and agile super-detective like we have in the comics and animated series/films, the same time I love the heavier armoured, hard hitting and badass version we get in the live action movies.
They're different sides of the same coin, if you don't like it, don't watch it. And I expect that for all the naysayers that seem to be coming out of the woodwork these past weeks, TD More
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Ask any of my friends or family and they'll all tell you, that my obsessions for The Dark Knight Rises is bordering on unhealthy. My brother and I have been counting down the very slow, agonising days! This trailer rendered me speechless for a good half and hour! And when I got the power of speech back, it was only so I could quote it, word for word! I actually, physcially cannot wait for this film!
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Your point about Bane, though, is rather pointless as Nolan has always stated that he has wanted to ground the movies in reality and that is what he has done with Bane and I think Tom Hardy is most believable....if someone his size came after me, I would not be hanging around, even though I am taller than Hardy. Seriously, would you prefer a 9ft tall, 5ft wide cgi monstrosity towering over Batman, beating him to a pulp eve More
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Your point about Bane, though, is rather pointless as Nolan has always stated that he has wanted to ground the movies in reality and that is what he has done with Bane and I think Tom Hardy is most believable....if someone his size came after me, I would not be hanging around, even though I am taller than Hardy. Seriously, would you prefer a 9ft tall, 5ft wide cgi monstrosity towering over Batman, beating him to a pulp eve More
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No Batman film has ever really followed the comics faithfully. I'd love to see a lighter, dark grey coloured and agile super-detective like we have in the comics and animated series/films, but at the same time I love the heavier armoured, hard hitting and badass version we get in the live action movies.
They're different sides of the same coin, if you don't like it, don't watch it. And I expect that for all the naysayers that seem to be coming out of the woodwork these past weeks, TDKR wil More
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Your point about Bane, though, is rather pointless as Nolan has always stated that he has wanted to ground the movies in reality and that is what he has done with Bane and I think Tom Hardy is most believable....if someone his size came after me, I would not be hanging around, even though I am taller than Hardy. Seriously, would you prefer a 9ft tall, 5ft wide cgi monstrosity towering over Batman, beating him to a pulp every time? If Batman fights t More
Posted by OPEN YOUR EYES at 15:59 on 03 May 2012 | Report This Post |
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Your point about Bane, though, is rather pointless as Nolan has always stated that he has wanted to ground the movies in reality and that is what he has done with Bane and I think Tom Hardy is most believable....if someone his size came after me, I would not be hanging around, even though I am taller than Hardy. Seriously, would you prefer a 9ft tall, 5ft wide cgi monstrosity towering over Batman, beating him to a pulp every time? If Batman fights that monstrosity, as More
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Is going to kill this film stone dead. Her casting was purely financially driven. To tap into her already established fanbase. That is Nolans real skill. Compromise to fill as many seats as possible.
His politically correct motivated films is everything thats wrong with Hollywood today.
What the what?
Because the Dark Knight' $1 billion box office made the heads at WB go, "You know what it was lacking? ng to appeal to the Devil Wears Prada fanbase.. More
Posted by Discodez at 12:09 on 03 May 2012 | Report This Post |
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Yeah but maybe we ld worried. I thought Ledger was a terrible casting decision and actually expressed my distaste quite vociferously in the future film thread...well we all know how that one turned out.
But, and here's my concern, I really like the idea of Hathaway as Catwoman. So by the theory that I have no idea what I'm talking about she's clearly going to be rubbish.
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Posted by Rob at 11:41 on 03 May 2012 | Report This Post |
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Is going to kill this film stone dead. Her casting was purely financially driven. To tap into her already established fanbase. That is Nolans real skill. Compromise to fill as many seats as possible.
His politically correct motivated films is everything thats wrong with Hollywood today.
What the what?
Because the Dark Knight' $1 billion box office made the heads at WB go, "You know what it was lacking? Something to appeal to the Devil Wears Prada fanbase..." More
Posted by Timon at 11:30 on 03 May 2012 | Report This Post |
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se saved Batman? Hype! We`re all told how good this film is, how good Dark Knight was. And guess what we all agree(d) We`ll all go and see it, and because it cost £8 for the ticket price alone we`ll say, "yeah, they were right, it`s ace.".
o... it's wasn't hype, it's because it was good?
I don't understand.
h Timon, clearly people only think it's good because we were conditioned to do so by the hype.
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Posted by Harry Tuttle at 10:52 on 03 May 2012 | Report This Post |
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Those were amusing times.
I remember when I broke that news on the forum -en. Worms everywhere. More
Posted by Timon at 10:51 on 03 May 2012 | Report This Post |
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Is everyone taking crazy pills all of a sudden? I must have missed the memo about Christopher Nolan suddenly becoming Brett Ratner and not knowing what he's doing...
EATH LEDGER AS THE JOKER WTF I MEAN HE'S NEVER EVEN BEEN... oh wait he's quite good.
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Posted by UTB at 10:37 on 03 May 2012 | Report This Post |
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se saved Batman? Hype! We`re all told how good this film is, how good Dark Knight was. And guess what we all agree(d) We`ll all go and see it, and because it cost £8 for the ticket price alone we`ll say, "yeah, they were right, it`s ace.".
o... it's wasn't hype, it's because it was good?
I don't understand.
Is everyone taking crazy pills all of a sudden? I must have missed the memo about Christopher Nolan suddenly becoming Brett Ratner and not knowing what he's doing... More
Posted by Timon at 10:34 on 03 May 2012 | Report This Post |
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It's all clearly a pile of shit and it would be much better if they brought back Jack Nicholson as the Joker and got Clooney in as he doesn't do that silly sore throat thing that Christian "I'm so Method" Bale does. Hardy looks like a bloke who came to get rid of some asbestos at my house last month and Hathaway is going to be so much rubbish, the part clearly had Madonna written all over it.
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Posted by Discodez at 10:03 on 03 May 2012 | Report This Post |
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We all know that Batman is a vigilante. If he wasn`t in the pages of comics or on film and was in fact real, he`d be in a nut house, no question. He features in superhero comics, that makes him a superhero. And imo again, Marvel saved Batman not Nolan. Marvel were turning their hero films out by the dozen, not all were any good but most are. That pushed Dc into action. What else saved Batman? Hype! We`re all told how good this film is, how good Dark Knight was. An More
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We all know that Batman is a vigilante. If he wasn`t in the pages of comics or on film and was in fact real, he`d be in a nut house, no question. He features in superhero comics, that makes him a superhero. And imo again, Marvel saved Batman not Nolan. Marvel were turning their hero films out by the dozen, not all were any good but most are. That pushed Dc into action. What else saved Batman? Hype! We`re all told how good this film is, how good Dark Knight was. And guess what we all agree(d) We` More
Posted by Morehumanthanhuman at 01:48 on 03 May 2012 | Report This Post |
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My main issue with the Batman films is they are based in reality. Lets be honest we watch superhero films because the hero is, erm, super.
atman's a vigilante....not a superhero.
And the last time the Caped Crusader went fantastical (or super), unsurprisingly, it was shit.
Nolan's decision to ground Batman in reality is what saved the franchise, made it credible again and in my opinion, sets it apart from every other Marvel/DC/etc hero-esque entry.
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Posted by Qwerty Norris at 01:19 on 03 May 2012 | Report This Post |
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I wonder if Mr Bale only wanted to do a third Batman and no more. Perfect for Mr Nolan to have a film that slightly mirrors the comics in order to introduce a new Batman. Gordon Levitt anyone. Or even Nightwing.
And regarding comments about source material. My dad is a nightmare for comparing films to novels he holds close to his heart. Even if he loves the film version. He loves pointing out the differences and pro amd cons of the two. An example of which is the Hunt for red October. I have se More
Posted by Morehumanthanhuman at 00:31 on 03 May 2012 | Report This Post |
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Batman is quite probably one of the coolest characters ever created. However I cannot get excited by this film. Batman Begins was excellent imo, The Dark Knight was ok again imo. My main issue with the Batman films is they are based in reality. Lets be honest we watch superhero films because the hero is, erm, super. Nolans Batman is a rich guy who happens to be pretty handy with his fists and has his own personal Q. Now I know that is who Batman is, but many of his adversaries are supernatural. More
Posted by Morehumanthanhuman at 00:22 on 03 May 2012 | Report This Post |
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Batman is quite probably one of the coolest characters ever created. However I cannot get excited by this film. Batman Begins was excellent imo, The Dark Knight was ok again imo. My main issue with the Batman films is they are based in reality. Lets be honest we watch superhero films because the hero is, erm, super. Nolans Batman is a rich guy who happens to be pretty handy with his fists and has his own personal Q. Now I know that is who Batman is, but many of his adversaries are supernatural. More
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This movie is gonna be up there with the very best of them. Tom Hardy is going to completely rule this movie and many, many more to come too.
Kayotic, as a reader of books I can understand why people are upset when movies veer away from the source material. That is, however, the writers choice and I am always aware that I will probably be disappointed with the movie IF I compare it to the source material. For that reason I always treat them as two separate entities (I.E I should hate Michael More
Posted by Leonard or Sammy at 21:43 on 02 May 2012 | Report This Post |
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Going by this new tralier,Nolan may just have matched Dark Knight,and looks like he will end Batman on a high note.But will he kill him off or just have him walk back to his old life as Bruce Wayne??? More
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...like the Dark Knight Returns or The Long Halloween, then come back and tell me Nolan isn't making great Batman movies. While you're at it, read The Killing Joke.
read them. The Killing Joke seemed great at the time, as the angle it came from seemed so new and hard-edged. That doesn't necesarily = good, and actually it sucks. The Dark Knight Returns was and is the biggest pile of excrement ever put into print. I can't believe Frank Millar also wrote the Daredevil mas More
Posted by BatSpider at 19:56 on 02 May 2012 | Report This Post |
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Honestly, I actually prefer the muffled Bane. If a man has a mask covering his mouth, he will sound muffled. The newer vocals don't seem to match the movement of his face too well, and the clarity doesn't sound right given the mask...
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My guess is that tons of stuff will happen up until bats breaks his back and Bane takes over the wayne manor and possibly kills alfred and steals the batcave and then the concluding fight with the two is in the bat cave thats just what I guess from the trailer though oh and Gordon Levitt will either die or Gordon will die and Morgan Freeman what will he actually do in this outing? More
Posted by lewisb548 at 17:13 on 02 May 2012 | Report This Post |
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Banes first line in this trailer is "I am gothams reckoning"
The first trailer was the best though.not a lot given away.love Gary Oldham in that role More
Posted by paulmitchell at 14:21 on 02 May 2012 | Report This Post |
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...like the Dark Knight Returns or The Long Halloween, then come back and tell me Nolan isn't making great Batman movies. While you're at it, read The Killing Joke.
ere's the problem, you're telling people what they're supposed to think and how their opinions should be. When you try to tell someone what they like and dislike about a film/trailer is wrong, then you just come across as incredibly patronising and arrogant.
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people are obviously entitled to their opinion but I wouldn't be jumping off the good ship Nolan just yet. personally, i thought the trailer was spine-tinglingly(?) good and definitely focused on tone and atmosphere while showing glimpses of the devastation to come. Nolan has been unconventional with what he has shown and not shown in his previous trailers.The trailer for TDK actually opened with the very last shot of the movie (the batpod on the ramp) and hinted the middle of the road showdown More
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people are obviously entitled to their opinion but I wouldn't be jumping off the good ship Nolan just yet. personally, i thought the trailer was spine-tinglingly(?) good and definitely focused on tone and atmosphere while showing glimpses of the devastation to come. Nolan has been unconventional with what he has shown and not shown in his previous trailers.The trailer for TDK actually opened with the very last shot of the movie (the batpod on the ramp) and hinted the middle of the road showdown More
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Posted by bill the butcher at 12:33 on 02 May 2012 | Report This Post |
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I'm not impressed. I'm sure this will be good but I thought the first trailer was better and if it wasn't for the fact that my business is assured on opening night due to my being a batfan, this trailer would've done nothing to convince me to go. I don't need to be patronised by someone who hasn't seen it telling me what kind of film it is or what a trailer is supposed to do like they know something I don't. My opinion is that I don't like that trailer. Sometimes people have different opinions. More
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...like the Dark Knight Returns or The Long Halloween, then come back and tell me Nolan isn't making great Batman movies. While you're at it, read The Killing Joke. More
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I really can't see how anyone can't like that trailer, unless you fail to see the purpose of 'the trailer'- it is not to give you an adrenaline rush, or necessarily excite you- although this trailer does both- it is to communicate atmosphere, a little story, to give a flavour of what the film will be like, it's look and feel. May I suggest that most trailers that are 'better' are only so because they show all the exciting bits of the film they represent? You can hardly blame Nolan for holding ba More
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Jeez, really honestly what do you guys expect?
Im a huge comic reader and cinephile. Thats a great trailer. It has such a great dark ominous tone and certainly doesnt give anything away about Batmans inevitable climb back to health and as protector of Gotham.
As for Hardys voice, glad they changed it. That was the main source of compliant from before but now ts sorted. Hardy will rock, hes such a tremendous actor and watching him and Bale face offf will be amazing. More
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What a week for trailers and British directors.
Gold stars for both Mr Scott and Mr Nolan this week.
Can't wait!
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Is that Catwoman riding the batcock halfway thru the trailer?
like what you changed the subject line to. Classy stuff. More
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Have I begun to become jaded?
DKR just doesn't do that much for me and this coming from a guy who adores Inception and Batman Begins (Dark Knight was just silly with one amazing performance).
Looper looks better.
Not that it's by no means bad, but I just cant get excited. More
Posted by BoDixen at 21:04 on 01 May 2012 | Report This Post |
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Is that Catwoman riding the batcock halfway thru the trailer? More
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A certain winner, and Christopher Nolan knows that full well. I don't expect any slacking in the line of acting, top actors have been hand picked, and the action is certified A grade. nobody can review this film before watch .. but maybe you can check through : http://newmoviefans.com/the-dark-knight-rises-2012/ More
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What a shame - way too much information and some epic scenes - the bridges - ruined. Guys, learn how to direct a really good trailer or better still look back at the trailer for The Dark Knight. And check out the difference between real Bane (inaudible mumbling at 0.34 and the dubbed voice for Bane later! Absolutely hilarious. More
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What a shame - way too much information and some epic scenes - the bridges - ruined. Guys, learn how to direct a really good trailer or better still look back at the trailer for The Dark Knight. And check out the difference between real Bane (inaudible mumbling "Gotham's something") at 0.34 and the dubbed voice for Bane later! Absolutely hilarious. More
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What a shame - way too much information and some epic scenes - the bridges - ruined. Guys, learn how to direct a really good trailer or better still look back at the trailer for The Dark Knight. And check out the difference between real Bane (inaudible mumbling "Gotham's something") at 0.34 and the dubbed voice for Bane later! Absolutely hilarious. More
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Just...WOW!!. Can't wait for this. More
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