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lly don't know anything btw....you almost became "Squidward denying the existence of Gandhi" with that Beatles comment. hoah, someones got baggage. that was on page 2 or 3 wasn't it? And thank you for telling me that I don't know anything. Knowing that I don't know anything means that I now know something, right?
How do they do that? Also, you might be shocked to hear that *gasp* many people still have a strong connection to religion.
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I thought it was pretentious. Edit your post.*
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A wiser man than me once said 'The number of words a person says is largely irrelevant, but you can usually surmise that the greater the number of words used, the less a person has to say, because the value of words (particularly the words of other people) is often lost on those who appear to believe the way to win an argument is to be last person still talking after everybody else has left the room'
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But it's fun Daz. More
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Fuck me, is this STILL going???
Just because a film says something, doesn't mean it's absolutely so, regardless of what the source material is. Most films are not documentaries. They are ENTERTAINMENT!!!!!
Taking recent, history, for instance. I know that the B-17F 44-124485 "Memphis Belle" was touted as the first B-17 to complete 25 missions and go home. The 1990 film of the same name is a story, based around that aircraft, but more importantly, the crews and aircraft of the 8th More
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t claim to be wise or have expertise in any field of knowledge. I only criticise what I know. As such, my criticisms are specifically targeted at Aronofsky's decision for making the film, the writers, producers and studios behind this film. ou really don't know anything btw....you almost became "Squidward denying the existence of Gandhi" with that Beatles comment.
he Judeo-Christian myths and religions are prevalent in Hollywood cinema and American entertainment. Whether it be The Pass More
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I use two examples. 20 years ago, Kevin Costner made a film about indigenous Americans. Dances with Wolves. It presented their culture, their beliefs, their spirituality and world-view in mainstream American cinema, It was hugely successful. As such the film was a validating experience for the indigenous Americans.
think you will find just as many Native American people felt the film was speaking down to them and didn't acknowledge the complexity of their peo More
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istorical aspects that you chose to completely ignore. Call it "waffling" if you like, however it would be wise to be sure of all of your facts before you try to argue a case otherwise you're coming across as a total idiot.
I don't claim to be wise or have expertise in any field of knowledge. I only criticise what I know. As such, my criticisms are specifically targeted at Aronofsky's decision for making the film, the writers, producers and studios behind this film.
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No, I agree with Engle, he is totally 85% right. Only today did I discover that Prince of Egypt wasn't facts and that Clash of the Titans wasn't a true story. He's right, a film about Noah will totally brainwash kids into religion. However he's only 85% right, as this film won't be Christian or Islamic propaganda but another piece of Jewish propaganda in the same vein of Prince of Egypt and A Serious Man, there to make children think that stories from the Bereshit and Shemot are 100% fact and f More
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edited for pretentiousness
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I want to toast this fine, fine thread. If it was a girl I would take it out for a movie and maybe some dinner.
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I want to toast this fine, fine thread. If it was a girl I would take it out for a movie and maybe some dinner. More
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This is the most bizarre threads I have read in some time.
Personally, I think Noah is one of the better stories in the Bible, and also one of the stories that I would accept as based on some kind of factual event.
remember this much furoure when Evan Almighty was released. remember it flooding the message boards...........
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This is the most bizarre threads I have read in some time.
Personally, I think Noah is one of the better stories in the Bible, and also one of the stories that I would accept as based on some kind of factual event.
I can't remember this much furoure when Evan Almighty was released. ote]
I campaigned for an apology from the director and producers over the offence caused by that film - it was shite.
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This is the most bizarre threads I have read in some time.
Personally, I think Noah is one of the better stories in the Bible, and also one of the stories that I would accept as based on some kind of factual event.
I can't remember this much furoure when Evan Almighty was released. More
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The problem with fundamental atheists is the same as fundamental Christians. They all seem to think the whole of the bible is literal.
Exactly. It's just The Bible. It's not gospel.
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The problem with fundamental atheists is the same as fundamental Christians. They all seem to think the whole of the bible is literal.
Exactly. It's just The Bible. It's not gospel. More
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The problem with fundamental atheists is the same as fundamental Christians. They all seem to think the whole of the bible is literal. More
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A bit like Abu swearing in Aladdin but instead of swear words from a monkey
messages enticing the audience to visit church were embedded into the muttering of a goat in the plaza.
'm sorry, what?
I don't know if I can make it any clearer than that. Did you not know about Abu swearing?
ot that, your comment about a goat telling people to go to church. Where the hell is this?!
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What.
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I do believe in conspiracy theories, ote]
It appears I have a challenger. ote]
Who me? A challenger in what precisely?
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"That Terminator / religious zealot / atheist zealot / troll* is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead / driven insane by the lack of logic*."
Tsk. Fanatical belief systems, eh?
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I do believe in conspiracy theories, ote]
It appears I have a challenger. ote]
Who me? A challenger in what precisely? More
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@englebert, if your spelling wasn't so good, I would swear you were a certain Mr Dalidab from elsewhere.
o, sorry. I'm not the one you seek. BTW Thanks for the comment on my spellink. More
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What.
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I do believe in conspiracy theories, ote]
It appears I have a challenger. More
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What.
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A bit like Abu swearing in Aladdin but instead of swear words from a monkey
messages enticing the audience to visit church were embedded into the muttering of a goat in the plaza.
'm sorry, what?
I don't know if I can make it any clearer than that. Did you not know about Abu swearing? More
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@englebert, if your spelling wasn't so good, I would swear you were a certain Mr Dalidab from elsewhere. More
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A bit like Apu swearing in Aladdin but instead of swear words from a monkey
messages enticing the audience to visit church were embedded into the muttering of a goat in the plaza.
'm sorry, what? More
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Sure thing, moving on. More
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Hey everyone, I just wanna apologise. I'm new round here. as you can see I'm a ninja in training. I have 2 stars.
I probably haven't done myself any favours in making friends in the empire forums but I hope that will change in the
future as we discuss the nuances of upcoming films.
I know, I said some harsh things at times but I assure you, it was all in the spirit of the debate. If you corner a wild animal
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1) te] '...And they on't talk, but Diney tells us otherwise.']
Do you mean human speech? then What about parrots or lyrebirds?
Or do you mean animal communication? let me answer this for you. No. You don't mean animal communication, because you're too human-centric to realise that animals also can communicate through other means.
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Ok, this ^ has made my day! DIT: The mad scientist, not shool. ote]
I don't mind being called 'the mad scientist' at all and fitting too as I am beginning to feel a little mad as no-one in here can see how ridiculous the story of Noah's Ark is. It's ridiculous. It's only that it has been around for so long that we accept it. Think of RIcky Gervais and his take on nursery rhymes. (be sure to youtube it if you haven't seen it.) He talk More
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I was merely pointing out the historical aspects. Those historical aspects that you chose to completely ignore. Call it "waffling" if you like, however it would be wise to be sure of all of your facts before you try to argue a case otherwise you're coming across as a total idiot. The fact that you blithely (see, there's that basic English word you don't understand again) choose to ignore absolute historical basics (yeah, I remember "I prefer Beatles records to Roman ones) doesn't exactly giv More
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Ok, this ^ has made my day! DIT: The mad scientist, not shool. ote]
I don't mind being called 'the mad scientist' at all and fitting too as I am beginning to feel a little mad as no-one in here can see how ridiculous the story of Noah's Ark is. It's ridiculous. It's only that it has been around for so long that we accept it. Think of RIcky Gervais and his take on nursery rhymes. (be sure to youtube it if you haven't seen it.) He talks about how ridiculous Humpty Dum More
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lise don't you that Jobloffski is actually arguing in FAVOUR of the film that you so abhoraybe. I want a good debate and at least he is talking about the film and it's implications and not waffling on about 'Hittites'.
me taking a leaf out of his book, in what way? I'm really not getting that at all. y staying focused on the debate at hand, and creating inventive arguments.
tad concerning that as a teacher you don't understand basic English.eally? why are you criticizing my hist More
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' Given all the current 'rising sea levels' stuff that is the end of the world/tax raising scenario (take your pick) du jour, isn't it more likely than not that the 'parable for the ages' nature of the story is the most important for the film, and therefore in tune with the 'save the animals' attitude of TODAY that it be in tune with/be propaganda for (take your pick)?'
Finally someone with a level-headed perspective and fresh ideas. Funkyrae could do with taking a More
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Ok, this ^ has made my day! DIT: The mad scientist, not shool. More
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Ok this is boring now. More
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Apologies for dropping out of the debate. But I needed some sleep. I have now returned and am looking forward to debating with you, and wow what a debate it is. A prickly and multifaceted one concerning Hollywood, a divisive director, religion, and a war of ideologies about where we came from.
I will begin with rebuttals because boy did I get attacked last night.
y (1)uote]' the Bible contains some bloody good stories! Personally I'd like to see this.' e]
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My bible says he stopped off for a McDonalds on the way home.
would have had to eat the fish burger or a vegetarian option, because the last two chickens and the last two cows and the last two pigs were wandering down Mt. Ararat side by side with various female and male predatory animals such as foxes and wolves, who were being patient so as not to eat the last two chickens. It would have also had to be an automated store run by robots, More
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Well, not true. Clean animals and Birds went on the Ark in Sevens.
So Cattle and Chicken he had one spare, after the flood he made an offering of them in burnt offerings on an alter. Maccy Ds for definite. More
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What I am contending is the animal migration via Noah's Ark. I am contending the popularising of this myth because it steals the thunder of the beautiful and real story.
s that what the story of Noah's Ark does? I was under the impression he took them from Point A to Point B on a mountain top... then they all went their separate ways.
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What I am contending is the animal migration via Noah's Ark. I am contending the popularising of this myth because it steals the thunder of the beautiful and real story.
s that what the story of Noah's Ark does? I was under the impression he took them from Point A to Point B on a mountain top... then they all went their separate ways.
I don't think he dropped particular species of More
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Well, he tends to make films involving people on a downward spiral into mental, physical or mental AND physical destruction/self destruction (even the fountain has that kind of thing, but via a cautionary tale to prevent Jackman's character ending up becoming destroyed by grief). Addiction/madness, obsession/madness, perfectionism/madness, skewed self image/madness, continuing down a path even though it will almost certainly lead to debilitating injury or death/madness are his playground.
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I've never seen a Darren Aronofsky film but if this has a big scope and lots of FX i'll see it! More
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Er...
Given all the current 'rising sea levels' stuff that is the end of the world/tax raising scenario (take your pick) du jour, isn't it more likely than not that the 'parable for the ages' nature of the story is the most important for the film, and therefore in tune with the 'save the animals' attitude of TODAY that it be in tune with/be propaganda for (take your pick)?
And I am not in the least surprised Bale didn't want a part of this, the 'YOU'RE A NICE GUY' rant still hasn't g More
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your explanation about the Hittites. I thank you for that bit of information. You seem to enjoy history, or dare I say, are passionate about history. That's how I feel about animals. If you're so passionate about history then why are we arguing? You should be slamming the Bible for making false historical claims, which it does. Noah and the Ark is a case in point. Dogma! nice one. I'm taking notes I really am. Unfortunately like Prince of Egypt, it's pre 9/11. A time when as I stated earlier, t More
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What I am contending is the animal migration via Noah's Ark. I am contending the popularising of this myth because it steals the thunder of the beautiful and real story.
s that what the story of Noah's Ark does? I was under the impression he took them from Point A to Point B on a mountain top... then they all went their separate ways.
I don't think he dropped particular species off o More
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What I am contending is the animal migration via Noah's Ark. I am contending the popularising of this myth because it steals the thunder of the beautiful and real story.
s that what the story of Noah's Ark does? I was under the impression he took them from Point A to Point B on a mountain top... then they all went their separate ways.
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And about the location of where the animals were dropped off - remember when this story was written. China hadn't really been encountered. No one knew the existance of America, or Down Under.
For them, repopulation of the world with animals from the boat wasn't a difficult concept - because their world was limited by the boundaries of their own experience and knowledge. More
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What I am contending is the animal migration via Noah's Ark. I am contending the popularising of this myth because it steals the thunder of the beautiful and real story.
s that what the story of Noah's Ark does? I was under the impression he took them from Point A to Point B on a mountain top... then they all went their separate ways.
I don't think he dropped particular species off on particular continents.
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What I am contending is the animal migration via Noah's Ark. I am contending the popularising of this myth because it steals the thunder of the beautiful and real story.
s that what the story of Noah's Ark does? I was under the impression he took them from Point A to Point B on a mountain top... then they all went their separate ways.
I don't think he dropped particular species off on particular continents.
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What I am contending is the animal migration via Noah's Ark. I am contending the popularising of this myth because it steals the thunder of the beautiful and real story.
s that what the story of Noah's Ark does? I was under the impression he took them from Point A to Point B on a mountain top... then they all went their separate ways.
I don't think he dropped particular species off on particular continents.
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a document that informs us about history all the more reason to remain objective about it and to evaluate its messages and most certainly to challenge and question critically its scientific claims.
I don't dispute a flood. Floods happen all the time. There was a big one last year in Australia. What I am contending is that animals are where they are in the world because of a bearded man in a boat. this is something that doesn't happen all More
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And the Flood myth appears in just about every religion - so either something did happen, or this is an example of the collective myth building at work. Certain ideas and images repeat themselves.
his. The Egyptians, the Greeks, the Chinese, the Druids of Britain, the Polynesians, the Eskimos and Greenlanders, the Africans, the Hindus, and the American Indians all have Flood stories.
With regards to this being religious propaganda. Dont you think we should wait unt More
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a document that informs us about history all the more reason to remain objective about it and to evaluate its messages and most certainly to challenge and question critically its scientific claims.
I don't dispute a flood. Floods happen all the time. There was a big one last year in Australia. What I am contending is that animals are where they are in the world because of a bearded man in a boat. this is something that doesn't happen all the time.
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a document that informs us about history all the more reason to remain objective about it and to evaluate its messages and most certainly to challenge and question critically its scientific claims.
I don't dispute a flood. Floods happen all the time. There was a big one last year in Australia. What I am contending is that animals are where they are in the world because of a bearded man in a boat. this is something that doesn't happen all the time. More
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The Bible isn't a histroical document, but rather a document that informs us about history.
And the Flood myth appears in just about every religion - so either something did happen, is an example of the collective myth building at work. Certain ideas and images repeat themselves. /quote]
Like how Star Wars is just repeating Lord Of The Rings, but in space!!! More
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The Bible isn't a histroical document, but rather a document that informs us about history.
And the Flood myth appears in just about every religion - so either something did happen, or this is an example of the collective myth building at work. Certain ideas and images repeat themselves.
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]Seriously, if you're only going to believe in recent historical events because there's still a living connection to them then you have major problems mate. You're banging on about creationism and assuming that this will be the intention of the film which has already been stated it won't, yet refusing point blank to see anything past your own, and people around you, timeline.
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There are pointless debates and there are pointless debates........
And then there's this. More
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y, a call-out. Haven't had one of those in a while. A couple of things.
A) This film hasn't even entered production yet. You're basing your assumptions of 'religious propaganda' based on the twin ideas that "people are stupid" and "Hollywood is a big cabal of Christian propagandists advancing a nefarious agenda". Given Aronofsky's history with filmmaking that, while making overtures towards specific religions, generally focuses on spirituality and its effects on people, and given the fact More
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nt - you ignore those historians. It makes you so much more credible. In the meanwhile, why not try denying the holocaust or pretending that Hiroshima didn't happen or maybe, I know, forget that there was ever a ship called The Titanic. Or, better still and this is a groovy one, forget that the Hittites, Sumerians and Babylonians ever existed and helped to create the written word because you know, that's just history.
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Another couple just off the top of my head:
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Seriously, if you're only going to believe in recent historical events because there's still a living connection to them then you have major problems mate. You're banging on about creationism and assuming that this will be the intention of the film which has already been stated it won't, yet refusing point blank to see anything past your own, and people around you, timeline.
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nt - you ignore those historians. It makes you so much more credible. In the meanwhile, why not try denying the holocaust or pretending that Hiroshima didn't happen or maybe, I know, forget that there was ever a ship called The Titanic. Or, better still and this is a groovy one, forget that the Hittites, Sumerians and Babylonians ever existed and helped to create the written word because you know, that's just history.
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Seriously, if you're only going to believe in recent historical events because there's still a living connection to them then you have major problems mate. You're banging on about creationism and assuming that this will be the intention of the film which has already been stated it won't, yet refusing point blank to see anything past your own, and people around you, timeline.
As for the Hittites, again, seriously?! A bronze age people in Anatolia that had a vast empire, spoke an Indo-Eu More
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nt - you ignore those historians. It makes you so much more credible. In the meanwhile, why not try denying the holocaust or pretending that Hiroshima didn't happen or maybe, I know, forget that there was ever a ship called The Titanic. Or, better still and this is a groovy one, forget that the Hittites, Sumerians and Babylonians ever existed and helped to create the written word because you know, that's just history.
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Ti, this is someone who can blithely ignore historical evidence. What on earth makes you think he's going to understand the difference? More
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, did you just say that Christians are a huge target audience for Scientific Journals?
es I did. Here is a link that I do not endorse.
http://www.csmonitor.com/
igh. Yes, the CSM and Science Daily are exactly the same.
One is a resource for articles and press releases from unis and scientific institutes, the other is a NEWSPAPER. More
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, did you just say that Christians are a huge target audience for Scientific Journals?
es I did. Here is a link that I do not endorse.
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Science student by the way. Although, for my sins, I do now have a History degree too.
h well done BTW - I didn't realise you'd finished! More
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d you said that - http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/09/0709071509 31.htm
Science Daily hey. Looks like a pretty hodgepodge html site.
There are a lot of speculative noahs ark articles written in newspapers, and non reputable science journals often science journals written by Christians. The reason being, It sells. Christians are a huge target audience. Noah's ark is a Creationists wet dream.
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d you said that - http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/09/0709071509 31.htm
Science Daily hey. Looks like a pretty hodgepodge html site.
There are a lot of speculative noahs ark articles written in newspapers, and non reputable science journals often science journals written by Christians. The reason being, It sells. Christians are a huge target audience. Noah's ark is a Creationists wet dream.
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I was a bit harsh on Jim. TV's not my strong suite. CBS is that the Christian Broadcasting Station
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It's not that he ignores historians Funky - I don't think he perhaps understands 'historiography'.
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my god I found this interview with two seconds of fucking Googling)
now that's good googling. You're a good googler, nay, in fact a great one. More
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You're getting livid with Arts students on an internet forum because we don't believe that a film made by a filmmaker with a proven track record in dealing with spirituality without condoning or promoting religion will make a film promoting religion.
HEY! I am a Arts GRADUATE (Social and Economic History - University of Liverpool, thanks for asking).
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e Darren will be losing sleep.
ae, I don't care what Darrens doing as long as he's not making unverified scientific claims about animal migration.
owever love my history and Roman records have proven that there was a prophet (i.e. the people who spread the doom and gloom messages on the street corners) named Jesus who was crucified. The Romans treated him in exactly the same way they treated every other insurgent 'm glad you enjoy those Roman recor More
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He's not doing Genesis: The Movie.
hank fuck for that. The music is bad enough.
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you're implying that Britain has no Christians in it? Granted we're not as religious as the US, but the UK is not as militantly atheist as you believe.
I never implied there were no Christians in Britain. But you don't need to be a Christian to be elected the Prime Minister of the U.K. That's a very important distinction. No atheist or non Christian could be sworn into the US presidency. That's a very dangerous religious atmosphere.
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I'm glad you enjoy those Roman records, I prefer Beatles records myself and something else called scientific evidence.
I find it much more useful than historical records written by historiographers who may or may not have religious persuasions. I'll take a fossil over a Roman record any day.
I'm glad you said that - http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/09/0709071509 31.htm
Of course, that's not proof of an Ark... but maybe, just maybe... it's a More
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Some people believe in God.
Some people don't.
THE END. More
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Oh, thank you for enlightening me. Now I understand. He's really open minded about all these religions and how their bogus stories overlap. That's so profound, yet not new to me as a man of science. If only religious people could all see what Aronofsky sees. but they so often choose not to see things in that way and stick by the one religion they were most likely indoctrinated into by their parents and communities. Are we forgetting someone though? Oh that's rig More
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I'm slightly confused now. Are all films now documentaries? What's this fiction thing? More
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DAWKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!! More
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e Darren will be losing sleep.
ae, I don't care what Darrens doing as long as he's not making unverified scientific claims about animal migration.
owever love my history and Roman records have proven that there was a prophet (i.e. the people who spread the doom and gloom messages on the street corners) named Jesus who was crucified. The Romans treated him in exactly the same way they treated every other insurgent 'm glad you enjoy those Roman records, I prefer Beatles records myse More
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not doing Genesis: The Movie. hank goodness for that. Phil Collins' acting is dire! More
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As if it's not enough to screw over the ecology of this planet we have to go further and lie about the origin of all living things in a completely human-centric way.
e's not doing Genesis: The Movie.
reationist god put them there in the first place, he's probably slowly erasing them too right? All part of a grand plan? Well this plan sucks.
or all we know, Aronfosky's Noah will think the same.
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Ixnay on the Istcray. More
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You i] say that, JC More
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This is great reading. More
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I'd prefer to see Roland Emmerich do it.
But then, I'd probably prefer not to watch it at all.
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Prince of Egypt. Ace up your sleeve. Hmmm. Ambiguous title really isn't it? Doesn't really shout pro religious Biblical epic like the Passion of The Christ. I wonder if it's marketing campaign utilized the myriad of christian media channels. They would have made 200 million in no time. 1998 though, that's pre 9/11. We weren't yet reminded of the dangers of religious claims.
his is getting religulous. Quite literally
Doesn't shout pro religious Biblical e More
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The very action of making this movie, is propaganda. There was never such an event as ridiculous as Noah and the Ark. There is no evidence for such an event and on the contrary there is evidence to the contrary. I can't believe we think we live in a democracy. This is religious propaganda. I hereby declare to never watch another Aronofsky film.
I'm sure Darren will be losing sleep.
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Yes I agree. The old Chinese whispers t More
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described your first film, “Pi,” as being about “God, math, Kabbalah, and paranoia,” and you cited the Bible as part of the inspiration for “The Fountain.” What’s your own religious background?
Culturally, I am Jewish. I was raised slightly Jewish, with respect for my culture and my ancestry, but with an open mind to the connectivity of people.
How much of a role does that play in your filmmaking?
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But now you're implying that Britain has no Christians in it? Granted we're not as religious as the US, but the UK is not as militantly atheist as you believe.
Plus you don't even know how the director will portray the 'legend/myth/story/
It could just be an Old Testament apocalyptic movie.
All I'm saying is that with the little facts we do have, you are working yourself into quite a state.
Oh and Caviezel has a hit show on CBS (Person of Interest).
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The actors you use are all of a different time when religion wasn't a dirty word and biblical epics were popcorn films. Give me a modern example and make this a convincing debate.
k. I can play this game (I take it I'm not allowed to use the record breaking Passion of the Christ?)
The Prince of Egypt - 1998
Dreamwork's first major animated film, not only features a Old Testament story but features the likes of Val Kilmer, Ralph Fiennes (British), Patric More
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The actors you use are all of a different time when religion wasn't a dirty word and biblical epics were popcorn films. Give me a modern example and make this a convincing debate. No A list actor working today will touch biblical epics. What was the name of the guy who played Christ in Mel Gibsons film? we can't remember can we?
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