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Star Trek 2 On Battlestar Territory?
Abrams and Orci talk allegory

17 September 2009  |  Written by Owen Williams  |  Source: LA Times

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The LA Times went for set visit to JJ Abrams' current sci-fi TV series The Fringe a couple of days ago, and managed to get Abrams' and his Fringe co-producer Roberto Orci talking about Star Trek.

No plot details yet, but some indication of the tone and direction they're thinking of taking for Star Trek 2. "The first movie was so concerned with just setting up the characters that in many ways a sequel will have a very different mission," says Abrams. "It needs to do what Gene Roddenberry did so well, which is allegory."

Orci chimes in with "we’re starting to circle around some ideas. We got a lot of critical response from the first one, [so] we’re trying to keep [the sequel] as up-to-date and as reflective of what’s going on today as possible." When The Times asks about torture and terrorists and politicised Klingons, Orci's response is "Those are the kind of issues we're talking about... That's the way we're thinking."

Allegory is one of the things sci-fi does best, obviously, and it's a big part of the original Star Trek series, although it's also one of the things that dates it.

It's hard to quite see the primary-coloured sixties-homaging Abrams Star Trek getting down and dirty with a story inspired by Guantanemo Bay, for example, or getting as gritty as the Battlestar Galactica TV reboot, which very much ran along those lines. But that does seem to be the thrust here. It's intriguing, and not a little ironic, since Battlestar partly came out of Ronald D. Moore's frustrations at his time on Star Trek: Voyager.

Trek has always been slow to adapt and develop (arguably even the ace DS9 only got good in response to Babylon 5), but it looks as if we may be boldly going in a very interesting direction...


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As long as it's not preachy and politically motivated, I'll probably be happy with it. More

Posted by mrh325 at 07:35 on 20 September 2009 | Report This Post

Star Trek XII: The Crap of Khan
I was never a big fan of Star Trek and I haven't seen Star Trek 11 yet so this doesn't do anything for me More

Posted by S1lent B0b at 17:17 on 19 September 2009 | Report This Post

Lazy
The last one started off good. Spock and Bones were spot on. But (and its a BIG BUT) the alternative time-line was LAZY and stupid. I left feeling quite angry. Will not be watching the next one. More

Posted by Hugo Agogo at 22:39 on 18 September 2009 | Report This Post

As a follow up to the brilliantly entertaining Star Trek, 'Star Trek 2' (or 12?) should be a little more 'Empire Strikes Back', a little less 'Attack of the Clones'. I think avoiding B5 plots/ideas is a good idea, as some were stolen and thrown in by George Lucas in the prequel trilogy (that worked out not so great) so better not make a fool of themselves. More

Posted by VijayUK at 15:11 on 18 September 2009 | Report This Post

RE: Good news...
L: C.C.C.P. L: Evil_Monkey25 I see the Star Trek series playing out a bit like the first two X-Men films. A very light and bubbly first offering where we're (re)introduced to the characters, followed by an action-packed sequel with wider films and a slightly darker undercurrent. Would be foolish to go full-on 'dark', like so many sequels seems to think you should, because that's not quite the Star Trek way. But I agree that getting some more 'themes' in there to get us t More

Posted by Evil_Monkey25 at 18:10 on 17 September 2009 | Report This Post

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L: UTB Modern context is great and all, but it can date a film quicker than no context. sp; Not unless the film is good. More

Posted by Deviation at 17:40 on 17 September 2009 | Report This Post

RE: Good news...
L: Evil_Monkey25 I see the Star Trek series playing out a bit like the first two X-Men films. A very light and bubbly first offering where we're (re)introduced to the characters, followed by an action-packed sequel with wider films and a slightly darker undercurrent. Would be foolish to go full-on 'dark', like so many sequels seems to think you should, because that's not quite the Star Trek way. But I agree that getting some more 'themes' in there to get us thinking would be a More

Posted by C.C.C.P. at 13:46 on 17 September 2009 | Report This Post

RE: I've had entirely enough of "dark and gritty"
I was one of those people, Star Trek for me was just that - a Trek through the Stars - it was all about the Journey, not just sitting around waiting for things to come to you. I've been told that the Dominion war at the end of the series was brilliant, but to be honest, i'd long since lost interest. According to what i've read on Empire, Voyager was the most unpopular trek, but i personally enjoyed the same sense of exploration you got in TNG, as the ship and crew went on to discover more and m More

Posted by christofurr at 13:07 on 17 September 2009 | Report This Post

RE: I've said it before....
L: steveg66 Just for one time only please Starfleet vs Klingons, all ships launched, one big ruck. Sort of space version of the Battle of Trafalger. How they lead up to that point doesn't matter as long as they get to it gons would be interesting, if only to see what they do with the foreheads... More

Posted by Evil_Monkey25 at 12:27 on 17 September 2009 | Report This Post

"Trek has always been slow to adapt and develop (arguably even the ace DS9 only got good in response to Babylon 5), but it looks as if we may be boldly going in a very interesting direction..." This is soooo very true...nice to see Babylon 5 mentioned.. More

Posted by icelandicwolf at 12:16 on 17 September 2009 | Report This Post

I've said it before....
Just for one time only please Starfleet vs Klingons, all ships launched, one big ruck. Sort of space version of the Battle of Trafalger. How they lead up to that point doesn't matter as long as they get to it More

Posted by steveg66 at 12:16 on 17 September 2009 | Report This Post

RE: I've had entirely enough of "dark and gritty"
L: The Voice of Fate I don't mind big ideas - they were what helped the original series shine - BUT let's not forget that very large numbers of people are attracted to Star Trek for it's ultimate optimism. Let's also not forget the legions upon legions of fans for whom DS9 was repellent, dull and populated with charaters about whom you didn't give a damn... thought OS, ds9 and TNG were the fans' fave shows. ds9 was radical but true to trek in its way and has some of the great su More

Posted by spark1 at 12:07 on 17 September 2009 | Report This Post

Good news...
I see the Star Trek series playing out a bit like the first two X-Men films. A very light and bubbly first offering where we're (re)introduced to the characters, followed by an action-packed sequel with wider films and a slightly darker undercurrent. Would be foolish to go full-on 'dark', like so many sequels seems to think you should, because that's not quite the Star Trek way. But I agree that getting some more 'themes' in there to get us thinking would be a good idea. Star Trek was More

Posted by Evil_Monkey25 at 10:47 on 17 September 2009 | Report This Post

I've had entirely enough of "dark and gritty"
I don't mind big ideas - they were what helped the original series shine - BUT let's not forget that very large numbers of people are attracted to Star Trek for it's ultimate optimism. Let's also not forget the legions upon legions of fans for whom DS9 was repellent, dull and populated with charaters about whom you didn't give a damn... More

Posted by The Voice of Fate at 10:39 on 17 September 2009 | Report This Post

RE:
y loved the first 're-boot' this summer, film of the year and this natural progression sounds ideal way forward.t="trebuchet ms"] ek had more imagery, soul and character than any sci-fi film of recent years and JJ knows exactly what he is doing. More

Posted by JIm R at 10:33 on 17 September 2009 | Report This Post

Well, the first film was totally devoid of any "big" ideas, being simply a dumb slice of no-brain sci-fi fun (and let me clarify there's nothing wrong with that, even if it's not very Star Trek-y), so a dose of intelligence and one or two themes wouldn't go amis. More

Posted by britesparc at 10:17 on 17 September 2009 | Report This Post

Modern context is great and all, but it can date a film quicker than no context. More

Posted by UTB at 09:24 on 17 September 2009 | Report This Post

GOOD!
Its a relief to hear that! I'm sure JJ will bring all that into a modern context! As much as I like the recent film, it did seem devoid of Gene Roddenberrys social commentary and who we are in the face of the unknown. Great stuff! More

Posted by Funk_Knight at 08:40 on 17 September 2009 | Report This Post

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