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Nah, I avoid spoilers like the plague.
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Nah, I avoid spoilers like the plague. I want to go in with a clean slate and be surprised and disturbed to the full extent of his ability.
Is it out in UK and Eire on the 8th though? I kinda hope no because Oceans 13 is out then.... More
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Although this argument will be fruitless, because I sincerely doubt either of us will be swayed. I liked the movies, you didn't. Each to their own. My own is obviously a bit more twisted than yours :D.
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until Hostel (Part!) II comes out...
Btw there's a list on the wikipedia page of Hostel of the gory scenes that are going to appear in Hostel II. More
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I would tend to disagree with that statement. I don't believe he failed in that dept. Of course my memory of the movie is fading since I haven't seen it since cinema release.
While it can't be that hard to come up with scenes of violence, it must be hard to come up with new ways to disturb people through it. Which is where Roth seems to excel. (Yes he's THAT fucked up :P) I reckon we've all heard that there's a scene in Hostel 2 that disturbed the special effects guy doing it whle filming. Th More
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He's going to be grabbing directors from all over to do these. He'll just be the guy who came up with it.
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Posted by Kadaj at 11:43 on 31 May 2007 | Report This Post |
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Ok fair enough (btw, I'm glad to see it's calmed down now into a more rational debate.)
To some though, Roth is a good director. As far as those type of shock-horror movies go, his movies are definitely up there. It's very hard to get to todays desensitised audience. I think he achieved that with Hostel if not Cabin Fever.
I did like his two movies. I would by no means call them masterpieces, but they were not bad. 7/10 kinda ratings. By the time Roth gets this "trailer" movie out More
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And anyway, there must be a reason Empire like the guy so much.
There must be a reason why Empire gave 5 stars to Star Wars Episode 1.
Most obvious reason to Empire's Roth fascination; Tarantino.
The thing is, Eli Roth already thinks he's a proven director; that's what irritates. He needs to calm down and not think he's such a bigwig after two pretty shitty films/
And c'mon no-one is without their luck! You've heard the story how Tarantino managed his Reservoir More
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You realise that the only reason Raimi was considered was because one guy was a big evil dead fanboy? He kinda just lucked out.
Roth is not running around thinking he can do anything. He's sticking strictly to his genre... He is talking about doing a movie that he thinks will be fun to make and people are freaking out.
Don't get me wrong. I am a HUGE Raimi fan. I am also a big Roth fan. But I am also realistic.
And anyway, there must be a reason Empire like the guy so much.
It's ridicu More
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Who the hell is comparing Evil Dead to anything?!!?
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I think you did by challenging Raimi's credibility to direct the Spiderman series in comparison to Eli Roth directing a new unconventional project.
It has more to do with the sheer arrogance and pretentiousness of Eli Roth thinking that he is in a position to do what ever the fuck he wants.
No doubt the Hollywood bigwigs would have seen The Evil Dead due to the furore surrounding its More
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Who the hell is comparing Evil Dead to anything?!!?
My point was simply that people are btiching about Roth being handed a big project like this trailer idea (although I don't think it's really going to be a very expensive one) because he's not done any big movies to deserve it.
Despite the sheer awesomeness of the Evil Dead Trilogy, Raimi was a relative unknown in Hollywood. Evil Dead is by no means a mainstream movie. There's more people that have not heard of it than have, guaranteed. An More
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You don't even know you're being wound up.
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The fact that he irritates me so much is an indication of how much he winds me up.
And to be honest, I didn't pay to see Hostel. He doesn't deserve my money. More
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Roth is just manufacturing his image to benefit his films, like say Guillermo Del Toro and all his notebook rubbish. You don't even know you're being wound up. Roth knows a viewer who is given reason to bitch and whine and complain is a very happy viewer, in the end he is just giving you what you want so you'll keep going back to him and giving him his money. And of course he wants money, I just pointed that out so you'd abandon the entire 'Eli Roth just makes films that he can have a wank to' More
Posted by Lydia_H at 21:59 on 29 May 2007 | Report This Post |
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...from Eli Roth's point of view the film acheived everything it wanted to and was a success, he will also use it's foundations to make Hostel 2 as if not more successful and infamous.
Like I said, Roth knows how to play his audience, even though you can't stand him, or everyone in this thread can't stand him, we'll all end up being his customers just so we can justify our spectacularly important opinions of him. Is he really passionate about gore and violence and horror? More
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...we'll all end up being his customers just so we can justify our spectacularly important opinions of him. Is he really passionate about gore and violence and horror? Maybe but I bet first and foremost he's concerned about generating money and profit. I think Roth is pretty smooth in how he's constructed himself and his films for accomplishing this.
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I agree that Hostel failed to deliver on its promise however I'd imagine from Eli Roth's point of view the film acheived everything it wanted to and was a success, he will also use it's foundations to make Hostel 2 as if not more successful and infamous.
Like I said, Roth knows how to play his audience, even though you can't stand him, or everyone in this thread can't stand him, we'll all end up being his customers just so we can justify our spectacularly important opinions of him. Is he More
Posted by Lydia_H at 21:14 on 29 May 2007 | Report This Post |
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I think seeing a movie is a choice and so there needs to be the prospect of something gratifying. The appeal of United 93 is allowing the audience to pity themselves, saying how affected and upset they were by watching it, and to make them feel important by allowing them to feel they've done their bit and paid their respects and acknowledged 9/11 as if that is remotely important, and that they've learnt something profound by watching it. That's gratifying for people, everyone More
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Yeah, because Sam Raimi was a HUGE director before given such a delicate and expensive project as Spiderman?
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OK.
So you agree with the statement; 'all films should act as a form of entertainment'. I believe this to be a completely ignorant viewpoint.
Maybe 'United 93' constitutes as entertainment to you. What about Caouette's 'Tarnation'? An example of how some films intend to expand upon our perception of the world,
Of course, everybody loves films that entertain them, I just don't believe that all films have that specific purposes.
And Eli Roth; what a dick.
think seein More
Posted by Lydia_H at 17:38 on 29 May 2007 | Report This Post |
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Yeah, because Sam Raimi was a HUGE director before given such a delicate and expensive project as Spiderman?
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There's a difference - Evil Dead 2 is a work of genius. Cabin Fever and Hostel are not. You don't need to be a huge director to be given an expensive project (see Christopher Nolan prior to Batman Begins) but having a slate of low-budget or independent work that holds up well amongst their contemporaries often helps. So far Roth has flattered to decieve. Still More
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Yeah, because Sam Raimi was a HUGE director before given such a delicate and expensive project as Spiderman?
I never said he was a "great director", but they're not all Oscar winners are they? Roth is good at what he does. He also sticks to what he knows. And fair fucks to him for that. He's a sick puppy, but I love the break from the trend of "must avoid the dreaded NC-17 rating" POV.
The all-trailers flick is a great idea. If some big popular director came up with it you'd all be cre More
Posted by The IPC at 16:23 on 29 May 2007 | Report This Post |
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Good grief - some people need to lighten up! OK, so you may not enjoy Roths earlier films but that doesn't necessarily mean the trailer idea is going to be bad. Admittedly, I'd be surprised if it worked but to declare its going to be rubbish on the strength of his previous efforts is jumping the gun somewhat. Besides, it sounds like he wouldn't be the only director involved so there'll be plenty of other people to blame if its terrible. More
Posted by DillingerEscapePlan at 14:22 on 29 May 2007 | Report This Post |
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I'm hugely impressed with Eli Roth the person but only marginally impressed with his films. I think he's too much a clone of Quentin Tarantino, but minus the one-two suckerpunch of debut and sophomore films. I suspect this project will never come to fruition, or at most become half-completed. He needs to do a decent horror adaptation to really make his mark.... More
Posted by TheMadFatChickKiller at 13:25 on 29 May 2007 | Report This Post |
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Of course Eli Roth wants to make a name for himself! Who doesn't?!!? Saying he's only doing it to become famous is a bit silly don't you think?
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Roth's trailer idea sucks - he's not gained the status and credibility OR talent yet in his directing career to attempt such a feat. Just because he's best friends with Tarantino does not automatically make him a great director. I agree with Hughezy who said 'Eli Roth really thinks he's a genius, when he's a More
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OK.
So you agree with the statement; 'all films should act as a form of entertainment'. I believe this to be a completely ignorant viewpoint.
Maybe 'United 93' constitutes as entertainment to you. What about Caouette's 'Tarnation'? An example of how some films intend to expand upon our perception of the world,
Of course, everybody loves films that entertain them, I just don't believe that all films have that specific purposes.
And Eli Roth; what a dick. More
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But I don't know if a feature can be made entirely of trailers/promos.
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Well, I've always enjoyed The Kentucky Fried Movie, especially the film within a film that takes centre stage - the delightful piss-take of Enter the Dragon entitled a Fistful of Yen! And that's without mentioning the glouriously hilarious trailer for Catholic Highschool Girls in Trouble or the genius of Rex Kramer, Danger Seeker! More
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Of course Eli Roth wants to make a name for himself! Who doesn't?!!? Saying he's only doing it to become famous is a bit silly don't you think? He makes movies that he would like to see himself. And that is fair enough as far as I'm concerned. More
Posted by The IPC at 09:36 on 29 May 2007 | Report This Post |
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Well why else would you watch United 93 except to be entertained? Granted, it may not be the most direct form of entertainment but it serves that purpose ultimately More
Posted by Lydia_H at 04:12 on 29 May 2007 | Report This Post |
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''First of all, every film, whether its arthouse or mainstream should in some way entertain the audience.''
Every film? I thought film had multiple purposes.
You're saying a film like 'United 93' for example is meant to entertain an audience?
Explain please because at the moment I believe you are chatting bullpooh.
Eli Roth just wants to make a name for himself. He has made a name for himself on my hitlist. Hostel is just his wet dream.
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Posted by Kadaj at 00:20 on 29 May 2007 | Report This Post |
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Such hate for Roth.
Considering Grindhouse bombed I can't see this being made anyway.
Despite my indifference to Cabin Fever I quite enjoyed Hostel and Cell has real promise, I think he does have a great horror film in him, but this isn't going to be it. More
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the guy in the picture is a dick hostel is shit and he has no ideas of his own just other peoples!!! tarantino drop him like a fat blind date!! More
Posted by Bigandyt at 23:53 on 28 May 2007 | Report This Post |
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I hate eli roth, empire thinks the sun shines out of his arse More
Posted by zombiemaster at 20:25 on 28 May 2007 | Report This Post |
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In relation to the quote above, I find that hilarious that you assume that I only watch passive entertaining films. First of all, every film, whether its arthouse or mainstream should in some way entertain the audience. All I was trying to say is that there are alot of people out there who think that all films should have some political statement or have some kind of intellectual plot which I think is bollocks. I have a wide variety of taste from foreign arthouse to just plain mainstream nonsen More
Posted by I am jacks dvd at 20:23 on 28 May 2007 | Report This Post |
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Eli says this promo trailers movie will have a plot. Exactly how is this possible if every trailer will be possibly horror-themed and deal with different plotlines? More
Posted by paul.mccluskey at 19:35 on 28 May 2007 | Report This Post |
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I think Eli Roth has the potebtial of bieng a good film maker but his great ideas dont really dont really come to anything. This though just sounds silly and he has to think about how well the film would do. A film concentrated on only fake trailers only will not intree most people. Even people who love Cabin Fever and Hosrel wont be able to appreciate this. I doubt it anyway. More
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But I don't know if a feature can be made entirely of trailers/promos.
I reckon the potential for this backfiring is pretty high.
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What the hell? People who don't like Roth's flicks should just hush up. Because they're not made for people like you. They're made for the gore freaks out there. Those who root for the zombies in the Living Dead flicks, the guys who think that maybe, just maybe the psycho will get away with it and some bumbling teen won't get him in some jammy fashion. He wants to gross you out. It's obviously not a mainstream flick. Hostel was great. Insanely dark humoured at times but great nonetheless. It gen More
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OK, maybe 'worst director of all time' was an overstatement, but was necessary to display my RAGE AT ELI ROTH!.
Some guy on this thread said something like 'why have you seen both of his films''....you gotta give the guy a chance. Never again. I will watch Hostel 2, just to back up my arguement, but hey if ever there was a reason to buy pirate DVDS.......
An another guy said something about 'pretentious people who only watch boring films'. Hey man get a life. I love talented directors who pr More
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Make sure empire you release several covers issue to celebrate roth's new masterpiece.
And please make one of the covers with his enchanting photo here on it. More
Posted by hadi_ghannam at 17:09 on 26 May 2007 | Report This Post |
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Make sure empire you release several covers issue to celebrate roth's new masterpiece.
And please make one of the covers with his enchanting photo here on it. More
Posted by hadi_ghannam at 16:58 on 26 May 2007 | Report This Post |
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and the reason why we're giving him shit here is because Eli Roth really thinks he's a genius, when he's actually incredibly shite. More
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what is the deal with Empire kissing Eli Roth's arse so much? he's an AWFUL director & Hostel 2 looks so shite.
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eli roth will cling to someone elses good idea and drag the fuck out of it, not the worst director ever but close!!!!! More
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eli roth will cling to someone elses good idea and drag the fuck out of it, not the worst director ever but close!!!!! More
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eli roth will cling to someone elses good idea and drag the fuck out of it, not the worst director ever but close!!!!! More
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eli roth will cling to someone elses good idea and dragg the fuck out of it, not the worst director ever but close!!!!! More
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eli roth will cling to someone elses good idea and dragg the fuck out of it, not the worst director ever but close!!!!! More
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Hostel is one of the worst movies i have ever seen, it is really really really bad, i can't believe there is a sequal coming, just proves the bad taste of the majority.
Why is tarantino wasting his time with this guy?
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Hey, fucko's, if he's the 'worst director of all time' then how come you've seen both his films. Why the hell are you even reading this article? cabin fever was a decent little film which carried out its purpose well and ok, Hostel wasn't great but the thanksgiving trailer is the work of a true genius. Anyway, things like this were inevitable after Grindhouse, so who better to do it than the schlock master of phony trailers himself. Anyway I doubt any of you have any quarrels with Edgar Wright More
Posted by BOBBYDeNiro at 20:25 on 25 May 2007 | Report This Post |
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Why is everyone giving Eli such a hard time on this? One guy calling him the "worst director of all time" is a patheitc statement. He has made two solid films. Cabin fever was hilarious and Hostel would have been great had he not spent most of the film making an american pie sequel before turning it into a horror. He is clearly a talented guy and what the hell is wrong with making films for pure fun like he does, theres to many pretentious arseholes out there who think watching boring More
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What is the purpose of the sopho-moronic trailer trash again? OHHHH YEAHHHHH ! Nonsense! More
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What an ass hat, does he have an original thought in his head? More
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Great, more self-indulgence...
Self-indulgence works when the filmmaker's talented, but let's be fair, Hostel wasn't exactly The Godfather reincarnated. This won't be getting my money. More
Posted by jncorbett at 17:28 on 25 May 2007 | Report This Post |
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Eli Roth is one evil looking fucker in that photo eh?
If the devil were to exist in human form Id expect him to look like that.
I wouldnt want to meet him unless i was armed with nothing less than an expensive baseball bat. More
Posted by jackcarter at 17:26 on 25 May 2007 | Report This Post |
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There's a lot of violent and slightly immature comments about this one. Anyways, not sure this will work myself and I don't think the idea will sell in America. What with them not getting Grindhouse. Like the idiots that they are. More
Posted by sean_mason at 16:30 on 25 May 2007 | Report This Post |
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sounds great to me not a massive fan of eli but the thanksgiving trailer was by far the best of the lot i quite like his movies it will be a good laugh crn't wait forget all you neigh sayers eli is here to stay so get over it and if all those amazing undiscover talent is out there then lets see some of it More
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Another pointless movie... great.... More
Posted by dctuck at 16:00 on 25 May 2007 | Report This Post |
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SHUT THE FUCK UP!
Worst.......director......ever. Only got Empire award due to him being a bum buddy of Tarantino and Rodriguez, and the fact Empire only comes out of Tarantino's arse for air every six months.
There are talented filmmakers out there, undiscovered. It's disgusting that he gets to make these shite films. More
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could he not just stay at home? More
Posted by Kilo_T_Mortal at 15:22 on 25 May 2007 | Report This Post |
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Hostel was disgusting trash and the fact theres a sequel beggers belief.
Hope that someone kidnaps him and gives him a taste of his movies FOR REAL
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