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Pride and Prejudice - 30/9/2005 11:45:06 AM   
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RE: Great stuff. One of the British films of the year. - 7/2/2006 11:07:08 AM   
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Pride and Pejudice (2005)

I bought this on DVD and as I was loading it I tried to distance myself from the faultless BBC adaptation of my favourite novel. I knew this version couldn’t touch that or the book but in its own way it was very enjoyable

The task that intrigued me was the way in which they would cram the complex novel into only 2 hours but they did it seemingly effortlessly without missing anything out and keeping a flowing story. The film does move along at a far faster pace than the book which is to be expected and it has more of a ‘modern’ feel about it yet retains that Austen vibe that comes through in all her works

What about the Oscar-Nominated (WTF?) Kiera Knightly then? Safe to say it is her best performance to date…but it was still a poor effort. At times she was brilliant and she seemed to really grasp what Lizzie was about, but at others she seemed like she was acting in a Year 11 Drama class play, rattling of lines without much thought into what they meant. She was Ok and in the scene with the marriage proposal, the first one, from Darcy she was sublime. Acceptable? Barely. Oscar Nomination worthy? You have to be fucking kidding me!

Oh and Judi Dench was Born to play Lady De Burgh
Overall, a very worthwhile adaptation that has that Austen feel but not a patch on the BBC version

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RE: Pride and Prejudice - 7/2/2006 8:11:15 PM   
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Didn't really like the changes they have made in this film. I liked the more realistic touch (like the art directing, costumes and make up) and the change in some of the charecters (Mary). Quite a good cast although I didn't like Kieras Lizzy nor the new mister Darcy. though Kiera is better than ever that's not much and as for McFadyen I can say that I would have chosen mr. Collins over darcy in this one.... And I always love mister darcy.

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RE: Great stuff. One of the British films of the year. - 7/2/2006 8:46:40 PM   
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I loved this film. And yes I am a bloke. (Allthough some might not agree on that...lol) I have to say, It's not often I get so "involved" in this type of romantic films.

The acting was great (especially Keira witch deserves every bit of that Oscar she is nominated for), the story is classic, yet not old and the scenery is just heaven for any true Anglophiliac.

If it wasn't for my gender, and the fact that I would have been bullied for the rest of my life, I might have cried. But like the man I am (or try to be), I closed it all up!

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RE: Great stuff. One of the British films of the year. - 8/2/2006 9:47:50 AM   
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Ben...I disgaree with you on the emtoional part. The book and the BBC version have both had me close to tears, but other than the scene in the rain with Darcy's initial proposal, I though the film never quite got over emotionally

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RE: Great stuff. One of the British films of the year. - 8/2/2006 11:52:28 AM   
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Ben...I disgaree with you on the emtoional part. The book and the BBC version have both had me close to tears, but other than the scene in the rain with Darcy's initial proposal, I though the film never quite got over emotionally


Well, I'm not qualified to say anything about the BBC version, because I haven't seen it, and I havent read the book either.
So I guess I saw this film with different view than most pople. Oh and watching it made me wanting to read the book, so thats something.

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RE: Great stuff. One of the British films of the year. - 8/2/2006 1:01:16 PM   
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quote:

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ORIGINAL: DanielFullard

Ben...I disgaree with you on the emtoional part. The book and the BBC version have both had me close to tears, but other than the scene in the rain with Darcy's initial proposal, I though the film never quite got over emotionally


Well, I'm not qualified to say anything about the BBC version, because I haven't seen it, and I havent read the book either.
So I guess I saw this film with different view than most pople. Oh and watching it made me wanting to read the book, so thats something.


I find the BBC version just too bloody long, even though there are lots of parts that I enjoy, other parts are terribly dated, such as when Lizzy looks out of the window and sees Darcy's face superimposed over the landscape.  The director was taking the source material a little too literally there I think. 

As such i enjoyed the film version more (probably helped by the fact I had just read the book, I really didn't want it to end) but didn't like some of the changes they had made.  Somehow the two versions have merged in my mind to create my own Perfect Pride and Prejudice.

And I have to say, Matthew Mcfayden emerging through the mist beats Colin Firth appearing in a wet shirt any day!

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RE: Great stuff. One of the British films of the year. - 8/2/2006 1:22:52 PM   
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And I have to say, Matthew Mcfayden emerging through the mist beats Colin Firth appearing in a wet shirt any day!

You can't mean that. It was such a cliche! MacFayden hasn't got nothing on Firth

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RE: Great stuff. One of the British films of the year. - 8/2/2006 1:50:13 PM   
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Firth was Darcy and although  MacFayden was decent enough, the latter cannot touch the definitive Darcy by Colin

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RE: Great stuff. One of the British films of the year. - 9/2/2006 2:54:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DanielFullard

Firth was Darcy and although  MacFayden was decent enough, the latter cannot touch the definitive Darcy by Colin


You're so right

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RE: Great stuff. One of the British films of the year. - 9/2/2006 3:31:39 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rich Empire
. For example, I am yet to find someone who has read LOTR and thought the films were better, so its pointless complaining about " the books being so much better ", at then end of the day nothing can beat an individuals vivid imagination and a good book. I love the book don't get me wrong but this was a nice representation of it.


Well, now you have. And I'll tell you why LOTR is a poor analogy.

Jackson removed Tom Bombadil - but we have to remember what Bombadil represented in the book. And there you see it in the film - a strong environmental message true to the SPIRIT of the book.

This isn't a good representation of the book. Wright doesn't understand the book and clearly doesn't understand Austen. He has turned her work into chocolate box chick-lit. That alone should prove the point.

But if you do think it was so accurate - explain WHERE the prejudice part of the title is represented in the spirit of the film?

Item - Darcy not finding anyone worthy to dance with. Book - effective start of Lizzie's problem with the man. Film - looks gutted because little girly is all hurt.

Item - Wickham. Extensive storyline drawing Lizzie into a relationship and accepting a viewpoint to accentuate her disdain towards Darcy. Film - Wickham gutted, no basis for prejudice provided as Lizzie has no emotional involvement in his story.

Item - Bingham drawing room. Darcy comments on walking . Book - Lizzie shows disdain. Film - Lizzie leers, flirts and is clearly gagging for it.

As for Pride? As I said above, Darcy was lowering himself to propose. Not looking like a constipated schoolboy reading a shopping list.

If you can't understand that to represent the spirit of the book you at least have to get the themes from the title right, you shouldn't be claiming it is an adaptation and you should have the balls to do your own stuff instead of getting a built in audience many of whom, it appears, have no quality button on their viewing equipment. They just want the wet shirts and smooches and Wright delivers. 

But don't confuse that with understanding the book - which is literature not chick-lit. Because Wright certainly did.

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RE: Great stuff. One of the British films of the year. - 9/2/2006 3:50:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jeanne

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And I have to say, Matthew Mcfayden emerging through the mist beats Colin Firth appearing in a wet shirt any day!

You can't mean that. It was such a cliche! MacFayden hasn't got nothing on Firth


I really do.  Never fancied Colin Firth not even in the slightest.  And sometimes a good cliche is exactly that.

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RE: Great stuff. One of the British films of the year. - 11/2/2006 5:08:46 PM   
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I though this was alright, though compared to the BBC adaptation it seemed like it was galloping towards wedding bells for Darcy and Elizabeth. I honestly don't think you can top Alison Steadman and Benjamin Whitrow as Mr and Mrs Bennett, and there were other times when I thought the supporting cast were indistinguishable from one another.

Kiera was alright, but one of the things I always liked about the character of Lizzy was that she wasn't rude, or obnoxious, and in that way she managed to rise above the snobs like Caroline Bingley. In this version thuogh, Kiera Knightley seemed just as odious as they were at time, she acted like she was superior, which is completely wrong for the character.

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RE: Pride and Prejudice - 24/4/2006 7:47:44 PM   
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Jane Austen’s timeless novel of misunderstandings, pride, and narrow-mindedness is taken by Joe Wright and his capable team of Working Title to bring us the love story of Lizzy Bennet and Mr. Darcy, two people who couldn’t be more right for each other.

The story takes place in Georgian times, when the rule of entail means that, with five daughters, the Bennet family inheritance is likely to be passed on to the closet living male, the dim-witted, sycophantic Mr Collins. Things start looking good when the sweet-tempered Mr Bingley joins Longbourne, and instantly takes a liking to Jane, the oldest daughter. The introduction between Lizzy (the second daughter), and his friend, Mr Darcy couldn’t be more different though, as Mr. Darcy rudely snubs Lizzy, and she makes a vowel never to dance with him. But through various circumstances including Mr Collins, the ambiguous Mr Wickham and Elizabeth’s visit to Pemberley, the two characters are brought closer and closer together.

As many Working Title titles, from Bridget Jones’ Diary, to Notting Hill, all contain traces of Austen, it seems only fair that their interpretation of her greatest novel should rank amongst their best films. And I would like to think of the film as an “interpretation” rather than an “adaptation,” because, on the whole, there are many things in the film that I expected differently, having read the novel. Mr Collins, for example, played with restrained humility here by Tom Hollander, could have been more of a toady. The change of setting of Darcy’s first proposal in the rain, was also a pleasant surprise, as, on the big screen, the rain just adds that extra oomph to the anger felt by Lizzy. So, on the whole, though the film has not been as true as it could to the novel, I’m willing to overlook most of this, as by adding these touches, the story has been made accessible for the 20th century.

Keira Knightley received an Oscar nomination for Best Actress as the literary hero Elizabeth Bennet, in a relatively unbaity role, as, compared to recent Best Actress nominees, she does very little crying, sighing, or worrying. Although I wouldn’t hurry to say it was deserved, one thing is for certain: it is her performance here is her best work by far. As Lizzy, she is playful, tomboyish and witty, and, if she did giggle too much, this is redeemed by the poignancy to which she plays the caring sister, loyal friend, and clever daughter. Matthew “Spooks” MacFayden is less capable as Mr. Darcy, underplaying the aloofness and giving somewhat of a wooden performance. As the sardonic Mr. Bennet, Donald Sutherland gives a moving performance, shining especially in the final scene, and Brenda Blethlyn uses her fussy mother neuroses to hilarious degree as the effortlessly annoying Mrs Bennet. Rosamund Pike, Tom Hollander and Judi Dench offer fine support, though Jena Malone is both too grating and too American as Lydia.

There is a gorgeous yet understated way in which costume designers, art decorators and the director of photography have brought the look of the Georgian middle class to us. The Bennet household, for one, delicately juxtaposes paintings and floor rugs with Mrs. Bennet’s signature untidiness, and the opening sequence, in which Lizzy is followed around the garden, and the colours in the sky are captured on screen, is a feast for the eyes. Special kudos to Jacqueline Duran for her excellent costume design, which is appropriately earthy and simple,
yet helps each of the actors shine in their personas. And to close this winning bundle, expert pianist Dario Marianelli calls on his Purcell and Beethoven influences to score the film, fuelling much of the romance, tension and atmosphere.

As a great fan of the novel I feared that I may be too strict on the film, but it truly is a very enjoyable experience. Whilst it might not be quite as exquisite as Ang Lee’s Sense and Sensibility, it sits up there as one of the better Jane Austen adaptations to come along in a long time. Go in without wanting to scrutinize every detail, and you will find a joyful love story, funny, sweet and relevant in equal measure.

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RE: Pride and Prejudice - 24/4/2006 7:49:38 PM   
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I can't really rate it, but I switched off my DVD halfway through. Just akward and dull fluff, and Knightley was very wooden.

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My favorite film of last year & one of the best Bri... - 4/5/2006 7:39:23 PM   
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In my own opinion I would have to say that I really enjoyed
P & P in the cinema. I saw it twice as a matter of fact. The cast were good, the score was lush and it was beautifully shot. Keira Knightley ( big up the South West London crew! ) gave a very real performance Lizzie Bennett. A nice touch of the film was the only kiss that happens is given by Liz to Darcy, As opposed to " the man sweeping the girl off her feet ", it was very tender and on the hand. Its reservedness gave it alot of sweetness and character. Yeah, ok the TV series of P & P has the advantage of time that lets them develop the characters at leisure and also represent every moment of the book in its full. As far as adaptations go the film was pretty darn good. For example, I am yet to find someone who has read LOTR and thought the films were better, so its pointless complaining about " the books being so much better ", at the end of the day nothing can beat an individuals vivid imagination and a good book. I love the book of P & P don't get me wrong, but this was a nice representation of it. The ending did seem a bit hacked off though i have to admit. As I can't give half stars in my rating I'm gonna round it up to five. Keira's best performance since Pure in my opinion, a BAFTA nomination would've been well deserved, at least she got the Oscar Nominee and the Sundance Nominee. Lovely stuff.

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brill - 16/7/2006 1:38:50 PM   
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I can't stand people comparing this great film to the BBC version. COME ON!!!! The BBC onehad six hours of time to fill with story etc, this one had two hours!!! No comapriosn, thats just cruel. I thought oit was brill, and the music?! WOW, move over John Williams and Danny Elfman, here comes Marianelli!! 10/10

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Excellent - Great Fun Throughout - 25/8/2006 10:13:45 AM   
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I thoroughly enjoyed this film, much more than I thought I was going to. I'm not a huge fan of period drama but love historical films in general so wanted to give it a go.

I haven't read the book (have too many I want to read as it is)and have not seen the TV version so I am considering this as a film in its own right, not as an adaptation.

The acting was brilliant from nearly all concerned (particularly Keira Knightley and Donald Sutherland) and the film keeps a good pace (slow, dragging stories are usually my concern in this type of film).

The one let down could maybe be one of the sisters (sorry, can't remember name) who was incredibly annoying - but she may be meant to be that way.

Cinematography was also stunning. This, combined with the outfits of the cast, make Pride and Prejudice a visual treat.

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Excellent - Great Fun Throughout - 25/8/2006 10:13:49 AM   
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I thoroughly enjoyed this film, much more than I thought I was going to. I'm not a huge fan of period drama but love historical films in general so wanted to give it a go.

I haven't read the book (have too many I want to read as it is)and have not seen the TV version so I am considering this as a film in its own right, not as an adaptation.

The acting was brilliant from nearly all concerned (particularly Keira Knightley and Donald Sutherland) and the film keeps a good pace (slow, dragging stories are usually my concern in this type of film).

The one let down could maybe be one of the sisters (sorry, can't remember name) who was incredibly annoying - but she may be meant to be that way.

Cinematography was also stunning. This, combined with the outfits of the cast, make Pride and Prejudice a visual treat.

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Lovely - 5/12/2006 11:43:44 AM   
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What really struck me with this film is the little details. Darcy's reaction when he first touches Elizabeth's bare hand helping her into the carriage. How the room fades away the first time they dance. So subtle I almost missed it the first time round.
Perhaps best of all is the scene in which Charlotte explains her reasons for marrying Mr. Collins.
Cudos to the director to paying attention to the little characters as well as the main ones. It adds depth.
The editing is a sight to behold, the passing of time played in quite elegantly in long still shots.
Admittedly the BBC version is longer, but it doesn't quite capture the strictures of the age as well as this film does.
And yes, I would have liked to see the wedding. But the dvd includes a very satisfying version of the American ending which is unashamedly fluffy.

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Amazing!! - 29/5/2007 10:47:45 PM   
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I thought it was a beautiful way of portraying this story!! Everything in it seems so beautiful (I can't pick another word to describe it)! The cast in it were great especially the two main leads and all the details jay were in it were amazing!! Many people compare the movie to the BBC series with Colin Firth saying the BBC versions are better but i totally don't agree the movie is alot more appealing and is sadder (emotion wise) than the BBC ones!! And Matthew MacFayden is a much better Mr.Darcy!! It's a film to me which will appeal to everyone...!

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Did I watch the same film? - 14/5/2008 9:07:41 AM   
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One of the worst films I have seen in a long time. Keira Kneightley giggles inanely for half the film, and spends the other half gazing at sunsets. Quite why she gets regarded as actress is beyond me.

The dialogue was a horrific clash of Austen and some modern day jargon - I was half expecting a character to say "like, uh, whatever!" Plot points and characters are skipped over so fast we get no idea of their importance. Judy Dench gets wheeled on for the obligatory cameo as... Judy Dench. And there was the worst haircuts committed to film since Robin Hood: Prince Of Mullets.

The whole thing was sub Barbara Cartland slush. Dire.

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Thoroughly enjoyed it - 6/6/2009 11:52:10 PM   
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I pretty much agree with everything Empire has already said. Knightley - although I'm not convinced she was a great Lizzy - gave a much better performance than I thought she would.
It was lovingly shot, great production design and some wonderful music. You could tell it was done by people who respected the original novel.
But it isn't perfect. Like Empire says, Darcy just looks depressed most of the time. The Bingley's aren't quite in it enough for me to buy the Jane/Charles/Caroline plot and Penelope Wilton and Judi Dench do great things with only a smattering of lines.
The pacing is a bit of a problem too. It never quite settles down enough to wallow in the emotional scenes.
The charm is in the little touches (thatI don't remember from the book) - such as Mary crying at he ball. Despite barely being in the book, she is fairly treated.
It might be a little messy in places when the film doesn't quite slow down for me to catch up, but this is incredibly charming and very well done.
And yes, I am bloke. That is how successful it is!

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- 6/6/2009 11:54:07 PM   
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EDIT: Oh I'm not sure D. Sutherland convinced me as Mr Bennett. I shall have ot watch it again.

I pretty much agree with everything Empire has already said. Knightley - although I'm not convinced she was a great Lizzy - gave a much better performance than I thought she would.
It was lovingly shot, great production design and some wonderful music. You could tell it was done by people who respected the original novel.
But it isn't perfect. Like Empire says, Darcy just looks depressed most of the time. The Bingley's aren't quite in it enough for me to buy the Jane/Charles/Caroline plot and Penelope Wilton and Judi Dench do great things with only a smattering of lines.
The pacing is a bit of a problem too. It never quite settles down enough to wallow in the emotional scenes.
The charm is in the little touches (thatI don't remember from the book) - such as Mary crying at he ball. Despite barely being in the book, she is fairly treated.
It might be a little messy in places when the film doesn't quite slow down for me to catch up, but this is incredibly charming and very well done.
And yes, I am bloke. That is how successful it is!

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Lovely film - 18/8/2009 10:50:57 PM   
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I thought the film was very enjoyable and although I'm not Knightley's biggest fan, I found her extremely likeable throughout. It must be hard to portray Lizzie as she is such a heroine. I thought she did it wonderfully. I love the book and I think this film did it justicce which is an extremely mean feat!

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