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'Into the West' - Starts 4/11/06, BBC2 - 27/10/2006 10:32:57 PM   
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/intothewest/

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I saw the promo trailer for this today and have to say it looks like an extremely lavish production. Really love westerns so I'm certainly looking forward to this, could be something quite epic. Also has a few recognisable faces in the cast including Sean Astin and Keith Carradine.
 
Anyone else planning on checking it out?
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RE: 'Into the West' - Starts 4/11/06, BBC2 - 28/10/2006 1:08:31 PM   
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If you can find it via search you may find some comments from the US showing. For one, I was not thrilled by this banal and tedious sanitised approach to the western with some of the worst dialogue this side of Robin Hood

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RE: 'Into the West' - Starts 4/11/06, BBC2 - 28/10/2006 3:07:41 PM   
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I've never heard of this, so thanks for the heads up. I will also be watching it as I'm a big fan of westerns, although the clips on the website don't look too great, however, the only way to really find out is by watching a full episode.

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RE: 'Into the West' - Starts 4/11/06, BBC2 - 29/10/2006 11:30:17 PM   
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Sorry to say this, but I thought it was utter crap, I was in the US in Summer 2005 when this was shown and it was truely crap, still though it does look very pretty.

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RE: 'Into the West' - Starts 4/11/06, BBC2 - 30/10/2006 2:39:44 PM   
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I hate the way they promote shows like this one,and that last mini-series "Taken", as STEVEN SPIELBERG productions. When its baltantly obvious from watching them that the man himself just signed the cheques and maybe turned up on set once or twice.

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RE: 'Into the West' - Starts 4/11/06, BBC2 - 30/10/2006 2:43:28 PM   
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I'm looking forward to this series, it looks quite fresh and it will make a change from the usual crap on TV at the moment

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RE: 'Into the West' - Starts 4/11/06, BBC2 - 5/11/2006 12:12:10 AM   
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Well, despite all the negative views I've read about the series, I actually really enjoyed the opening episode.

For me the plot line involving the Mountain Men's trek was the most entertaining part. Jebediah Smith is an excellent character: "Yeah so half my scalps hangin off, so what!", it's nice to finally know where the inspiration for Jebediah Springfield came from.

There were a couple of notable detractors: the CGI Buffalos going off the cliff was quite embarrassing, as was one actors pretty dire attempt at a Scottish accent.

Really looking forward to seeing how the story progresses.

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RE: 'Into the West' - Starts 4/11/06, BBC2 - 5/11/2006 1:12:08 PM   
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Last night on The Culture Show the 'Berg said John Ford was an idol. Well last night it seems there is enough of the Ford beauty there to make this the worthy tribute from Spielberg's ouevre. From the beauty of Western lands, the respectful depiction of Native Americans and their connection to nature, as well as superb performances, I loved it. Can't wait for the next five episodes.

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RE: 'Into the West' - Starts 4/11/06, BBC2 - 5/11/2006 3:10:03 PM   
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I missed it and was expecting it to be on Teleport Replay...but is it? Is it bollocks.

Is it repeated anytime?

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RE: 'Into the West' - Starts 4/11/06, BBC2 - 6/11/2006 2:44:56 PM   
Evessa


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Wow I loved this  deffinately worth watching. Some of my family felt it was a little slow to start with, but I thought the hour and half raced by
Oh and the bit with the scalp, yuck, but way cool

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RE: 'Into the West' - Starts 4/11/06, BBC2 - 6/11/2006 4:13:15 PM   
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quote:

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I missed it and was expecting it to be on Teleport Replay...but is it? Is it bollocks.

Is it repeated anytime?


Not sure, but bollocks it ain't.

To add to my Spielberg-Ford accessment too, this film also has the theme of coming of age in two cultures.

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RE: 'Into the West' - Starts 4/11/06, BBC2 - 6/11/2006 4:36:03 PM   
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I really wanted to see this. I'm furious as i went out expecting BBC2's flagship show for Saturday night to be put on teleport but come Sunday morning it wasn't there. Absolutly livid.

BBC2 has to have a repeat sometime or on some digital channel. They did for Band of Brothers and do it for their other big budget shows.

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RE: 'Into the West' - Starts 4/11/06, BBC2 - 6/11/2006 4:42:50 PM   
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I'm also a big fan of Westerns and this show didn't dissapoint. I look forward to next weeks episode 

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RE: 'Into the West' - Starts 4/11/06, BBC2 - 6/11/2006 4:46:38 PM   
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Disappointing. Same old western clichés that have been done before with far greater style & invention. Plus just how much voiceover was there?!? I turned over to watch Parky with Messrs Caine & Bennett. Class stuff!

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RE: 'Into the West' - Starts 4/11/06, BBC2 - 6/11/2006 5:28:58 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Monkeyshaver

Disappointing. Same old western clichés that have been done before with far greater style & invention. Plus just how much voiceover was there?!? I turned over to watch Parky with Messrs Caine & Bennett. Class stuff!


Have to agree: I watched it for an hour or so, but just couldn't get into it. It looked fairly impressive, but the story didn't interest me at all. Definitely been done better before. Parky was much more entertaining!

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RE: 'Into the West' - Starts 4/11/06, BBC2 - 6/11/2006 6:56:55 PM   
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it just looked like a poor mans dances with wolves. maybe it is or maybe not. but dances with wolves is a great film even if you hate costner. sure theres a few known actors but that doesnt make it any good.

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RE: 'Into the West' - Starts 4/11/06, BBC2 - 7/11/2006 6:07:52 AM   
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I really enjoyed it, but I'm wondering how the story can hold out for another 5 episodes.

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RE: 'Into the West' - Starts 4/11/06, BBC2 - 7/11/2006 6:49:53 PM   
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It was quite good at times but overall I didn't really enjoy it. It was quite slow and plodding and the voice-overs were extremely irritating. Everyone seemed a bit too nice as well. I much prefer Deadwood where everyone's a bastard.

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RE: 'Into the West' - Starts 4/11/06, BBC2 - 12/11/2006 1:20:40 PM   
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Have watched the first episode and I liked it but I do agree with the 'tad slow, plodding' comments however for me, some things happened a tad too fast. Thunder Heart's first marriage etc

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RE: 'Into the West' - Starts 4/11/06, BBC2 - 12/11/2006 1:25:37 PM   
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Watched the first episode, thoughyt it was utter wank. Never bothered with it last night.

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RE: 'Into the West' - Starts 4/11/06, BBC2 - 12/11/2006 8:30:56 PM   
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I wasn't too impressed with the first episode but last night's was a big improvement.

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RE: 'Into the West' - Starts 4/11/06, BBC2 - 14/11/2006 5:19:43 AM   
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I liked the first episode but number two was superb. Certainly have an idea of the scope of the whole series now and I'm ever more interested as to how it all continue.


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RE: 'Into the West' - Starts 4/11/06, BBC2 - 19/11/2006 8:54:21 PM   
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Just watched episodes 2 and 3 which i recorded and I'm really getting into it. It's clearly a generational saga much like TAKEN was and that too was mauled by the critics for being different.

I really like it, it's epic in scope and very poignant. Nice to see Russell Means show up as older Running Fox. I very much doubt he'd agree to star in it if it was wildly inaccurate considering the chastising he gave Dances With Wolves.

One thing though, how is Samson's (Matthew Modine) family related to Jacob's? Is he another cousin? He's not a brother as we've already met all of them. And I assumed that Naomi just continued to live with the Cheyenne....she's been pretty much forgotten.

Besides that, a great show and after a rather slow first episode it's turning into something rather special.

It's also nice to see familiar faces like Sean Astin, John Terry, Granham Greene and Rachael Leigh Cook turn up.

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RE: 'Into the West' - Starts 4/11/06, BBC2 - 22/11/2006 5:33:31 AM   
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This gets better and better!

I love the scale of the whole thing, in terms of geography, storylines and the passge of time.

It's quite emotional as well. I had a lump the my throat during the reunion scenes.

As for Naomi Wheeler, episode two seemed to suggest she was leading a happy life now, so perhaps that's the last we'll see of her character.

I think Samson must be another cousin, and I think that Clara (Rachel Leigh Cook) might be the character that brings these two halves of the family together after 25 years apart.


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RE: 'Into the West' - Starts 4/11/06, BBC2 - 26/11/2006 6:32:32 PM   
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Next weeks episode should be particularly interesting for fans of Deadwood. Apparently much of it takes place in The Black Hills South Dakota, and it deals with the events of General Custers fall at Little Bighorn, which was constandly referenced to in Deadwood. 

Keith Carridine is also due to make an appearence, although sadly not as Bill Hickok.

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RE: 'Into the West' - Starts 4/11/06, BBC2 - 7/1/2007 1:31:03 PM   
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I was just wondering if anyone else watched it to its conclusion? It was a very good albeit bleak look at the Western expansion and the, let's face it, near extinction of the Native American way of life.

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RE: 'Into the West' - Starts 4/11/06, BBC2 - 9/1/2007 6:06:08 AM   
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I saw it all and thought it was very good indeed. A few characters did seem to get lost over time though.

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RE: 'Into the West' - Starts 4/11/06, BBC2 - 9/1/2007 9:05:39 AM   
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I noticed that. Most notably Jacob's son that helped build the railroad.

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RE: 'Into the West' - Starts 4/11/06, BBC2 - 9/1/2007 12:34:49 PM   
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I thoroughly enjoyed this series although maybe not as much as Band of Brothers (which rocks!) The last two episodes got a little slow in places and it was quite hard at times keeping up with all the characters, but overall I thought it was great

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RE: 'Into the West' - Starts 4/11/06, BBC2 - 9/1/2007 12:36:58 PM   
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I think he was killed in battle. Can't remember which one, maybe Little Big Horn.

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