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RE: Chelsea Thread - 12/8/2012 2:37:18 PM   
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So every mistimed tackle should be a red card now? That wasn't malicious, or particularly reckless, it was just poorly executed.

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RE: Chelsea Thread - 12/8/2012 2:38:59 PM   
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So every mistimed tackle should be a red card now? That wasn't malicious, or particularly reckless, it was just poorly executed.

Every two footed mistimed tackle, where one foot is halfway up your shin, should be sent off. Yes 100%.

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RE: Chelsea Thread - 12/8/2012 2:43:35 PM   
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That was not a 'proper' two-footed tackle though. He's clearly gone with the wrong foot, which has made it look worse than it is.

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RE: Chelsea Thread - 12/8/2012 2:45:56 PM   
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So does that mean Branislav misses the start of the season? It was a booking and it looks worse than it initially did, was it a straight red in a Community Shield? I suppose that’s a different discussion about occasion and shit but I’m fine with the ref’s choice and disappointed with ours (Obi and such..).

Anyway I’m not hugely excited about the new season, in fact I feel incredibly apathetic about football in general at the moment, this will probably change as the Season progresses but right now it’s all a bit ho-hum. Football fans chanting wanker at a decision they disagree with, it’s hardly unexpected is it? They’ve had to go almost two months without screaming bile at a man doing his job.

Lovely goal from Torres mind, except all I can think is about Sheva and his début goal…


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RE: Chelsea Thread - 12/8/2012 2:48:18 PM   
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Terry's not done well enough there...I think he could've left it as there was someone behind him in a better position.

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RE: Chelsea Thread - 12/8/2012 2:49:14 PM   
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That was not a 'proper' two-footed tackle though. He's clearly gone with the wrong foot, which has made it look worse than it is.

Was it a dangerous tackle? Yes. There is no 'proper' two footed tackle that tackle was clumsy, mistimed and two footed.
He had to go and Townsend saying you see loads of those each week is bollocks of the highest order.
Was it the worst I've seen? No, nowhere near but it's high, late, and two footed.

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RE: Chelsea Thread - 12/8/2012 2:51:27 PM   
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Terry's not done well enough there...I think he could've left it as there was someone behind him in a better position.


Our defence have been poor almost all pre-season, it’s all well and good bringing in the creative players and I hope they do well but we’ve done nothing to strengthen the back.

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RE: Chelsea Thread - 12/8/2012 2:58:49 PM   
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quote:

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That was not a 'proper' two-footed tackle though. He's clearly gone with the wrong foot, which has made it look worse than it is.

Was it a dangerous tackle? Yes. There is no 'proper' two footed tackle that tackle was clumsy, mistimed and two footed.
He had to go and Townsend saying you see loads of those each week is bollocks of the highest order.
Was it the worst I've seen? No, nowhere near but it's high, late, and two footed.

It's not intentional, so that for me, makes it not a red card...two-footed or not.

This could well be a cricket score.

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RE: Chelsea Thread - 12/8/2012 3:01:33 PM   
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The Clichy Factor.

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RE: Chelsea Thread - 12/8/2012 3:10:52 PM   
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Sturridge on and I had no idea Mata was playing.

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RE: Chelsea Thread - 12/8/2012 3:17:01 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Skiba

That was not a 'proper' two-footed tackle though. He's clearly gone with the wrong foot, which has made it look worse than it is.

Was it a dangerous tackle? Yes. There is no 'proper' two footed tackle that tackle was clumsy, mistimed and two footed.
He had to go and Townsend saying you see loads of those each week is bollocks of the highest order.
Was it the worst I've seen? No, nowhere near but it's high, late, and two footed.

It's not intentional, so that for me, makes it not a red card...two-footed or not.


The intention is irrelevant, if that's your reading of it then I can see what you are saying but the tackle is banned because its dangerous.
I think following the rules of the game it's rightly a clear red.
I also don't agree with the point alluded to earlier that it made in cup finals that the occasion should reflect how fouls are dealt with.
If its in the first minute of a cup final and a sending off they have to be sent off.
That's another Townsendism referees should use their common sense, no they shouldn't they should follow the rules of the game and apply them consistently.


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RE: Chelsea Thread - 12/8/2012 3:23:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Flatulent_Bob


quote:

ORIGINAL: Skiba

That was not a 'proper' two-footed tackle though. He's clearly gone with the wrong foot, which has made it look worse than it is.

Was it a dangerous tackle? Yes. There is no 'proper' two footed tackle that tackle was clumsy, mistimed and two footed.
He had to go and Townsend saying you see loads of those each week is bollocks of the highest order.
Was it the worst I've seen? No, nowhere near but it's high, late, and two footed.

It's not intentional, so that for me, makes it not a red card...two-footed or not.


The intention is irrelevant, if that's your reading of it then I can see what you are saying but the tackle is banned because its dangerous.
I think following the rules of the game it's rightly a clear red.
I also don't agree with the point alluded to earlier that it made in cup finals that the occasion should reflect how fouls are dealt with.
If its in the first minute of a cup final and a sending off they have to be sent off.
That's another Townsendism referees should use their common sense, no they shouldn't they should follow the rules of the game and apply them consistently.



I don't agree with it either it just something that comes up at these types of events and as soon as he was sent off I had a look on-line (always a bad idea) and it seems that a few people have again said because it's the Community Shield he should have been given yellow, again something I personally disagree with. Intention is meaningless.


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RE: Chelsea Thread - 12/8/2012 3:28:28 PM   
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Well the score looks a lot better than the game and how we played. City look good.

Four loses in a row, good job Roberto isn’t in charge of Blackburn. So next up Wigan away on a Sunday afternoon.

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RE: Chelsea Thread - 12/8/2012 3:32:22 PM   
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Well the score looks a lot better than the game and how we played. City look good.

Four loses in a row, good job Roberto isn’t in charge of Blackburn. So next up Wigan away on a Sunday afternoon.

Thought Chelsea did well considering they had 10 men.

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RE: Chelsea Thread - 12/8/2012 3:39:48 PM   
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Intent is in the rulebook though, and I just don't think he intended to make a two-footed tackle. I'm not going to agree on this so I'll leave it there!

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RE: Chelsea Thread - 12/8/2012 3:40:32 PM   
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Well the score looks a lot better than the game and how we played. City look good.

Four loses in a row, good job Roberto isn’t in charge of Blackburn. So next up Wigan away on a Sunday afternoon.

Thought Chelsea did well considering they had 10 men.


I thought we were okay but City always looked better and far more dangerous. Torres was good and looked lively but I just don't think we were good for much of the game, Hazard was decent but went missing in the second half, Mata like I said I completely forgot he was playing, the defence never looked stable…I’m probably being overly critical but I just wasn’t enthused by what I saw, ten men or eleven.

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RE: Chelsea Thread - 12/8/2012 3:49:36 PM   
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Intent is in the rulebook though, and I just don't think he intended to make a two-footed tackle. I'm not going to agree on this so I'll leave it there!

To do with handball and obstruction but not dangerous tackles.
Plus how many times are penalties given when it wasn't a deliberate attempt to handle.
You are right though we aren't going to agree

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RE: Chelsea Thread - 12/8/2012 4:00:27 PM   
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Intent is in the rulebook though, and I just don't think he intended to make a two-footed tackle. I'm not going to agree on this so I'll leave it there!

To do with handball and obstruction but not dangerous tackles.
Plus how many times are penalties given when it wasn't a deliberate attempt to handle.
You are right though we aren't going to agree

Well intent to harm another player is in there so that must cover tackles. Anyway... we were pretty poor, even at 1-0 up. As Impy said, we look poor defensively, and Mikel doesn't do enough to protect the back four. And they really do need protecting!

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RE: Chelsea Thread - 19/8/2012 1:36:44 PM   
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This Hazard fella looks alright...

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RE: Chelsea Thread - 19/8/2012 2:19:00 PM   
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Hmmm good start for the first ten minutes...since then? Still 2-0 at HT.

ETA: I quite like that kit though.

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RE: Chelsea Thread - 19/8/2012 2:32:27 PM   
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Hazard looks good,but Wigan are awfull..again.

Wigan might aswell turn up for the last 10 games of the season.

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RE: Chelsea Thread - 19/8/2012 3:00:40 PM   
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Fuck me, Oscar is quick! Figueroa had about 20 yards on him there!

Wigan have some really nice players but they seem to be getting worse each season...two seasons ago they had N'Zogbia, who they didn't really replace. Last season they had Rodellaga and Moses...Rodellage is gone and it seems Moses is coming this way.

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RE: Chelsea Thread - 19/8/2012 5:55:53 PM   
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Only was able to listen to 5live commentary. Hazard I thought would take longer to settle, so pleased he's so effective so early. Still a goal by the right back and a penalty, I stand by my claim that Chelsea will struggle to convert chances.

Good response by Wigan to going 2-0 down early doors by all accounts.

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RE: Chelsea Thread - 19/8/2012 6:09:28 PM   
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Victor Moses did well.
And on that performance you can see why Chelsea,Spurs,Arsenal and Liverpool are interested,though I see Chelsea as the front-runners to his signature.

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RE: Chelsea Thread - 22/8/2012 3:47:57 PM   
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RE: Chelsea Thread - 23/8/2012 8:23:28 PM   
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fifth bid for Victor Moses accepted

I thought we needed a right back not another forward…oh well.

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RE: Chelsea Thread - 24/8/2012 2:25:21 PM   
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fifth bid for Victor Moses accepted

I thought we needed a right back not another forward…oh well.


There you go

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RE: Chelsea Thread - 24/8/2012 5:43:44 PM   
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fifth bid for Victor Moses accepted

I thought we needed a right back not another forward…oh well.


There you go




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RE: Chelsea Thread - 24/8/2012 6:03:14 PM   
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Next time try, a new pair if shoes is nice, but would love to win the lottery.

Guardian is speculating on a cheeky Tiote bid if he plays well against ye.

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RE: Chelsea Thread - 24/8/2012 6:15:15 PM   
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Will do.

I’m not looking forward to the game against Newcastle, I really like most of their side and can see them mullering us if we don’t start well. Tioté would be a good signing despite his booking record.



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