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Total Recall - 15/10/2006 8:19:57 PM   
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RE: Total Recall - 17/10/2006 4:26:51 PM   
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This film is great one of my favourite arnie films.

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RE: Total Recall - 17/10/2006 7:48:27 PM   
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Something Schwarzenegger can be proud of!

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RE: Total Recall - 23/10/2006 1:03:06 AM   
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Totally agree vintage Arnie when he was watchable. OTT violence, great special effects for the time. This is one of Arnies best movies behind Terminator 2 and Predator.

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RE: Total Recall - 3/9/2007 3:13:54 PM   
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I agre with other comments. One of Arnies best. Great Movie.

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RE: Total Recall - 3/9/2007 8:11:12 PM   
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As has been said before one of ol' Arnies best.
As with most of the best Philip K Dick adaptions, it has a lot to do with the concept of identity and reality.
Top notch entertainment. You can tell the director (Paul Vertoven) is having fun.
All the scenes involving Michael Ironside are great.
Just the right side of over the top.

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Uber Violence? We LOVE it! - 21/2/2008 2:56:10 PM   
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One of my fave sci-fi movies of all time. Insanely violent and packed full of great action, not to mention the ever present, shite quips by Arnie. The bloke must have a clause in his contract that stipulates that all scripts being sent to him MUST have at least 5 crap one-liners.

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- 2/5/2008 1:10:45 PM   
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Arnold Schwarzenegger.

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- 2/5/2008 1:10:46 PM   
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Arnold Schwarzenegger.

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RE: - 17/5/2008 5:48:22 PM   
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Director: Paul Verhoeven
Screenwriters: Ronald Shusett, Dan O'Bannon, Gary Goldman
Starring: Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sharon Stone, Rachel Ticotin, Ronny Cox, Michael Ironside

Synopsis
When Douglas Quaid (Schwarzenegger) goes for a virtual vacation memory of the planet Mars, an unexpected and harrowing series of events forces him to go to the planet for real, or does he?

Review
During the 80s, producer Dino De Laurentiis has been trying to finance an adaptation of Philip K. Dick's short story We Can Remember It For You Wholesale. The film's original director was David Cronenberg, a Canadian filmmaker who is a fan of Dick's work. But due to creative differences with Shusett, who wanted 'Raiders of the Lost Ark on Mars', Cronenberg withdrew from the project and later remade The Fly.

Thus Schwarzenegger and Robocop director Paul Verhoeven arrive to collaborate with the writers, so that the film will be understood for dumb action audiences. As a sci-fi thriller that uses the themes of identity and explores the question of reality versus delusion, it lacks the twist and never test its audience on which is the actual reality.  

The short story dealt with an ordinary clerk who wishes to visit Mars and decides to have an implant memory as a secret agent, who then tries to get his whole salary back. Though Verhoeven's adaptation uses this as inspiration, it falls flat as just a cheesy action picture, in which the lead character kills the bad guys, gets the girl and saves the planet.  

Since Total Recall had the largest authorized budget for a film produced by a Hollywood studio, the film was in the hands of the wrong director. Verhoeven tries using the same techniques he used in the intelligent, but flawed Robocop, but instead of intelligence, we get a load of over-the-top cartoony violence and cheap pornography such as a triple-breasted mutant.

When Arnie came on board the project, instead of being a clerk, which would perfectly fine for someone like Richard Dreyfuss, the Austrian bodybuilder had to be a construction worker, just so he can fit into those boots. This film is written for Schwarzenegger as he used a lot of gags, such as silly one-liners.

Total Recall relaunched Sharon Stone's career scoring her a role in Verhoeven's hugely successful Basic Instinct. If this is true, why is everyone, including herself, a miscast. The most disappointing fact about this group of miscasts, is that the legendary Michael Ironside wasted his time and losing his arms during the process.

Verdict
As box office gold, this is a ludicrous cartoon brought ridiculously to life by a Dutch director who should go back to his own country.

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RE: RE: - 17/5/2008 5:59:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: R W

Director: Paul Verhoeven
Screenwriters: Ronald Shusett, Dan O'Bannon, Gary Oldman
Starring: Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sharon Stone, Rachel Ticotin, Ronny Cox, Michael Ironside

Synopsis

When Douglas Quaid (Schwarzenegger) goes for a virtual vacation memory of the planet Mars, an unexpected and harrowing series of events forces him to go to the planet for real, or does he?

Review
During the 80s, producer Dino De Laurentiis has been trying to finance an adaptation of Philip K. Dick's short story We Can Remember It For You Wholesale. The film's original director was David Cronenberg, a Canadian filmmaker who is a fan of Dick's work. But due to creative differences with Shusett, who wanted 'Raiders of the Lost Ark on Mars', Cronenberg withdrew from the project and later remade The Fly.

Thus Schwarzenegger and Robocop director Paul Verhoeven arrive to collaborate with the writers, so that the film will be understood for dumb action audiences. As a sci-fi thriller that uses the themes of identity and explores the question of reality versus delusion, it lacks the twist and never test its audience on which is the actual reality.  

The short story dealt with an ordinary clerk who wishes to visit Mars and decides to have an implant memory as a secret agent, who then tries to get his whole salary back. Though Verhoeven's adaptation uses this as inspiration, it falls flat as just a cheesy action picture, in which the lead character kills the bad guys, gets the girl and saves the planet.  

Since Total Recall had the largest authorized budget for a film produced by a Hollywood studio, the film was in the hands of the wrong director. Verhoeven tries using the same techniques he used in the intelligent, but flawed Robocop, but instead of intelligence, we get a load of over-the-top cartoony violence and cheap pornography such as a triple-breasted mutant.

When Arnie came on board the project, instead of being a clerk, which would perfectly fine for someone like Richard Dreyfuss, thew Austrian bodybuilder had to be a contruction worker, just so he can fit into those boots. This  film is written for Schwarzeneggar as he used a lot of gags, such as silly one-liners.

Total Recall relaunched Sharon Stone's carrer scoring her a role in Verhoeven's hugely successful Basic Instinct. If this is true, why is everyone, including herself, a miscast. The most disappointing fact about this group of miscasts, is that the legendary Michael Ironside wasted his time and losing his arms during the process.

Verdict
As box office gold, this is a ludicrous cartton brought ridiculously to life by a Dutch director who should go back to his own country.
    


Couple of questions for you RW -

What is the answer to the question of reality vs. delusion? You say the audience is never tested which seems to imply the answer is obvious so I would like to hear your thoughts about it.

What is flawed about Robocop?

I happen to think Robocop and Total Recall (and Starship Troopers) represent how a big budget blockbuster can be fun but also weave some subtext at the same time.

And can anyone truely dislike a film which has a three breasted hooker and a freaky Winston Churchill mutant leading a rebellion on Mars?

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RE: RE: - 17/5/2008 9:51:45 PM   
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First off, Robocop is flawed because it has some flaws that Total Recall later received, such as its over-the-top violence, as well as its campiness. And to be postive, the reason why Robocop and Starship Troopers are Verhoeven's best films in Hollywood is because they each have an inside look of society into the future, whether it is utopian or dystopian. What Total Recall is trying to tell us, is that whoever has a disfigured face is a freak, hence the mutants.

The flaw with Verhoeven's take on what is reality is that the film never gets to the point, in which Quaid (or in the short story, Quail) realises this is all in his head, and like in the film, ends up kissing the girl. If David Cronenberg directed the film, he would not only entertain the audience, but secondly consider what is the film trying to say? Verhoeven is the Cronenberg for dummies.

Lastly, I would not have sex with a woman with three breasts and the mutant leader is just disgusting.  

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RE: RE: - 17/5/2008 10:22:38 PM   
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I suppose for many of us the over the top violence and think cuts of ham are part of the reason why we like Verhoeven. Blockbusters are today quite tame.

To be fair the question regarding reality is handled a little more strongly than you suggest. The scene with the bead of sweat is a good example.

I was just curious as to how you felt about his other science fiction - sounds like it just isn't your cup of tea. And if you want an idea of how Cronenberg would have done Total Recall you should see Spider and A History of Violence.

p.s - I wasn't suggesting you would have sex with a three breasted mutant, just noted that you don't see that much in cinema.

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RE: RE: - 17/5/2008 10:28:44 PM   
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As a matter of fact, I have seen A History of Violence, as well as Eastern Promises, which are both masterpieces that truly concentrate on the theme of internal struggle.

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RE: RE: - 17/5/2008 10:33:13 PM   
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Sorry  -thought my last post hadn't been posted.

You should check out Spider if you can.

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RE: RE: - 17/5/2008 10:45:11 PM   
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I think the best Philip K. Dick film that talks about reality is A Scanner Darkly, because that film (and the book) explores the lives of paranoid junkies, including one who may not know his own life.

A lot of people would say Die Hard was over-the-top, but I think the action gives you a possibility that it can happen, unlike its fourth installment. I think Die Hard is Hollywood's masterpiece of action cinema.

Finally, thanks for the advice, I will try and get that Spider. Without telling me any spoilers, what can I expect from it?

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RE: RE: - 18/5/2008 2:08:32 PM   
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Four!? Are you taking the piss Kim? This is one of the finest films in history.

Has the second greatest death in cinema ( 2ndafter Indy shooting that swordsmith). Michael Ironside losing his arms on the lift and plummeting to his death "See you at the party rictor!"

Keep meaning to get this on Blu ray, it's defo worth the pricetag...

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RE: RE: - 18/9/2009 11:32:29 PM   
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There is a fairly unique equation that, rather sadly, is not used often enough in the movie business. When it is, however, it provides for some rather fabtastic cream-in-your-jeans results. It goes a little something like this: Arnold Schwarzenegger times Paul Verhoeven divided by Philip K. Dick = three breasted mutant alien women, a midget prostitute with a knife fetish, exit wounds the size of one of Jupiter's moons, Arnie beating the living crap out of anything that moves, Martian time-slips, shitloads of gore, eye-stalks popping out of eye sockets and, rather incredibly, some deftly handled sci-fi ambiguity. It's a cocktail cornucopia of bizarre delights that just can't fail to be made of win and success...

Douglas Quaid (Arnie) leads a fairly bland life as a construction worker, yet constantly dreams of travelling to Mars and of a mystery brunette (who may or may not be sleazy, athletic and demure). His kinky wife (Sharon Stone) is both unimpressed he is dreaming of another women and hates the idea of going on holiday to Mars. Yet a chance advertisement for 'Recall', a facility that can implant memories providing the perception of a whirlwind Mars romance, gives Quaid the ideal chance of escape from his mundane existence to live out his personal Mars fantasy. Yet the implant procedure has barely begun and Quaid is having a schizoid embolism - he's been to Mars before, he just doesn't know it. That a work friend and then his wife try to kill him, before being head-hunted by rent-a-baddie Richter (Michael Ironside), suggests that something is desperately wrong. Things get even more bizarre when a video recording of himself tells Quaid he's not who he thinks he is, he's actually Hauser, and he needs to get his arse to Mars. Or is this all a paranoid delusion, part of the secret agent package Quaid requested at Recall, and the realms of reality and fantasy have begun to merge and become helplessly entwined?

To be perfectly honest the above is a bit of a cheat. It makes Total Recall sound like an intellectual behemoth of twists, turns, illusions and mirrors as Quaid journeys to Mars (or not as the case may be) to find himself, but whilst it uses the template of Dick's short-story 'We Can Remember It For The Wholesale' it's nowhere near that smart. Sure, Verhoeven induces some ambiguity from proceedings at certain junctures, playing on those threads of Dick's curious interest in branching realities, but he has essentially ripped out the guts of such a tale and added his own stamp of approval. Which mostly involves carnage. Lots of carnage! For instance, where else are you going to see Arnie use a civilian as a bullet shield whilst riding an escalator from his pursuers? Or a pair of arms lopped off by an elevator shaft leaving Arnie holding onto the soggy ends?

Indeed, Total Recall is the film you'd expect as the follow up to Verhoeven's masterful Robocop, just not quite as nasty. There's no excessively brutal execution sequence as in the latter, but you do get Arnie's eyeballs popping out of their sockets in one pretty grim (albeit ingenious) sequence. Yet whilst Total Recall does have the Verhoeven mark all over (a three breasted women - I'd say!), it manages to share equal space with Arnie's own action hero dynamic. After all, this is also your typical Arnie flick, with Arnie in nondescript lumbering hulk mode (well, to be fair he's actually really good in this), cracking the odd one liner whilst meting out his own brand of destruction. The mixture of the two makes for quite a compelling ride and, similar to how John McTiernan got the best out of Arnie in Predator, Verhoeven manages to do likewise here. It may compromise his excessive style slightly, but it does make for one enthralling, joyous and darkly humourous action adventure ripe for the mainstream adult audience.

With the carnage and mayhem at the forefront, though, perhaps the one disappointing thing is that unlike the neo-facist piss-take of corporate gung-ho America, which was evident in Robocop and Starship Troopers (Verhoeven's other sci-fi classics), Total Recall is somewhat less cerebral. The removal of this undercurrent of anti-American sentiment and sardonic wit, along with Dick's musings makes Total Recall, in some sense, a science fiction flick without the 'core' science fiction. Which seems like a missed opportunity to raise an otherwise highly competent action-thriller above its basic genre hall-markings. Dick's text is there for sure, but it's hanging around in the background looking a bit sad and lost. His themes are cherry-picked and inserted into the quieter moments (of which there are few due to the film's relentless pace) to serve some confusion as to what's really going on, yet this mild ambiguity only proves that the third element of the equation seems slightly overlooked in the face of such spectacle.

For instance the Mars landscape, even today, is wonderfully realised. A vast mining community of domes and structures running along the canyons of Mars' red surface is probably still the finest visual encapsulation of the planet in film. Indeed, some of the visual effects still stand up incredibly well. Arnie pulling a bug out of his nose with a nasty drill/screwdriver contraption, along with the removal of his disguise as he passes through Mars customs are superb, even if the dress sense of the future is still stuck unconvincingly in the eighties. And then there's the reveal of the mutant Kuato, which along with his Garfield sounding voice, is rather stomach churning...

Despite the pretence of being a smart sci-fi flick, Total Recall is instead stupidly great fun. A pinch of Verhoeven along with a smidgeon of Arnie ensures there's plenty of relentless visceral action, a good dollop of blood and gore, along with a hint of the bizarre. It's all about spectacle and to this end the effects are still admirable in these CGI bloated days and the pacing is deftly handled to make for one hell of an enjoyable ride (although it does seem to run out of steam just before the end). And, to be honest, who doesn't want to see a kick arse girl-on-girl punch up between Sharon Stone and Rachel Ticotin (calm down lads) or a midget prostitute with a machine gun blasting the hell out of bad-guy scum left right and centre? Ever so typically Verhoeven, Total Recall is filled with such bizarre and memorable moments and that is what really makes it a must see!


Overall - Your enjoyment of Totall Recall can probably be dictated by the following little survey based on Verhoeven's previous sci-fi opus, Robocop. Question 1 - did you enjoy the scene where the young executive was turned into fishpaste by the two mini-guns attached to the under-side of ED-209? Question 2 - did you laugh out loud when the guy melting from toxic waste exposure was hit by Clarence Boddickers car and his head splats green stuff across the wind shield? If your answer is 'hell yes' to both these questions, you'll love Total Recall!

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Arnie Does Dick (Philip K That is) - 16/8/2010 9:59:02 PM   
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The second greatest Philip K Dick adaptation in cinematic history. Yes, this is far superior to Spielbergs Minor ET Report. A film that strikes a wonderful and rare balance between gravitas and levity; Paul Verhoeven delivers a great sci-fi movie with a wonderful subtle ending while Arnie delivers a great action performance that is essentially "the pinch of salt" you require to ingest the movie. One of the greatest Sci-fi movies ever made. See you at the party!

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RE: Arnie Does Dick (Philip K That is) - 9/11/2013 12:07:15 AM   
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The second greatest Philip K Dick adaptation in cinematic history. Yes, this is far superior to Spielbergs Minor ET Report. A film that strikes a wonderful and rare balance between gravitas and levity; Paul Verhoeven delivers a great sci-fi movie with a wonderful subtle ending while Arnie delivers a great action performance that is essentially "the pinch of salt" you require to ingest the movie. One of the greatest Sci-fi movies ever made. See you at the party!


Agreed. This might be the most re-watchable film ever. Arnie provides constant hilarity, bursts of bloody violence and camp comedy are around every corner, the mind-bending plot rockets along, peeling away the layers of reality in neat twist after twist without betraying the story's logic, and it even leaves food for thought at the end. Schwarzenneggar, Philip K Dick, and Verhoeven - what a sublimely weird cocktail.


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RE: Arnie Does Dick (Philip K That is) - 9/11/2013 5:08:39 PM   
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One of both Arnie and Verhoevens best films.Terrific sci- fi action of the highest order with fantastic fx ( though some of it has dated it only adds to the charm ), truly nasty villains, and one of Jerry Goldsmiths best ever soundtracks.

Ignore the shitty remake and stick with the original and best.

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RE: Arnie Does Dick (Philip K That is) - 9/11/2013 5:10:56 PM   
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Ignore the shitty remake and stick with the original and best.


Fasci... Oh, wait.

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RE: RE: - 10/11/2013 1:21:02 AM   
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Four!? Are you taking the piss Kim? This is one of the finest films in history.

Has the second greatest death in cinema ( 2ndafter Indy shooting that swordsmith). Michael Ironside losing his arms on the lift and plummeting to his death "See you at the party rictor!"

Keep meaning to get this on Blu ray, it's defo worth the pricetag...


Id put Emils rather squishy demise in Robocop as the greatest death in cinema closely followed by Richters in Total Recall



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RE: RE: - 10/11/2013 2:48:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze


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Four!? Are you taking the piss Kim? This is one of the finest films in history.

Has the second greatest death in cinema ( 2ndafter Indy shooting that swordsmith). Michael Ironside losing his arms on the lift and plummeting to his death "See you at the party rictor!"

Keep meaning to get this on Blu ray, it's defo worth the pricetag...


Id put Emils rather squishy demise in Robocop as the greatest death in cinema closely followed by Richters in Total Recall





Ooh, it's close. Both die after unbelievable trauma and physical agony. Richter's arms are slowly ground off at the elbow, which he has ten seconds or so to enjoy before splat. Emil has to stumble around half melted until he's mercifully finished off by a car. If I had to pick my own demise, I'd go with Emil's death. Dismemberment creeps me out.

What about Murphy? Hand blown off. Humiliation. Arm. More humiliation. Countless shotgun blasts to the torso, then hearing 'fun's over' before getting one in the brain. Technically it's not a 'death' but it might be Verhoeven's sickest moment. Where the hell is Verhoeven, anyway?




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RE: RE: - 31/12/2013 10:01:33 AM   
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More or less serviceable action thriller with some nice ideas for visual set pieces, but did it really have to be as long as it is?

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