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Mini-Review of the Month Presentation June '08 Welcome, Mates to yet another awards ceremony. This month was full of debut reviews that surely did not disappoint. Unfortunately for some, this month also provided us with a ridiculously entertaining, passionate and very informative review, which proved too tough to beat out. But be not discouraged for it is in you too. Thank you all who posted, read or just visited us this month. Indy drinks to that! Here are your winners: 1st Place: Gimli the Dwarf .......Page 48 The Original Trilogy Raiders Of The Lost Ark (1981) Indiana Jones & The Temple Of Doom (1984) Indiana Jones & The Last Crusade (1989) I know that there is now a 4th film, but I've reviewed that separately. A bit like my Lord Of The Rings review, I'm reviewing all three films at once. However, the main review is really very short and even by my standards, quite useless, a precursor to what follows (which is a deviation from this thread, and for that I apologise) Positives It'd be hard to praise the films without mentioning Harrison Ford. In recent years his film choices seem to have landed him in some stick, and it's sometimes easy to forget just how good an actor he is. He's never been better than he was in the Indy trilogy, perfectly capturing the roguish nature of our hero, and whether he's the action man facing impossible odds, the slightly awkward professor or the rakish ladies men, he always makes Indy believable. He's also got great comic timing, with regards to vocal delivery and mannerisms. Harrison Ford is Indy. And with that, the character of Indiana Jones himself needs to be applauded. He arrives on the screen as an enigma, but it isn't long before we feel as if we know him, and it's damn near impossible not to buy into his enthusiasm. But perhaps more important than the character himself, is the iconicness (!) of the character. It's almost as if Lucas, Ford and Spielberg knew they were creating an icon, making him tantalising from he very beginning. And am icon is most certainly what he is. Indiana Jones has seeped through into popular culture in the way that few characters do, and he's instantly recognisable. Heck, all you need to do is see a silhouette of him and you know who he is. Pictures of a hat and whip conjure up images of Indy; even the average Joe in the street knows Indy's favourite accessories (Plus he's made whips cool, no longer the tool of lion tamers and dominatrix's alone!) He also has a handful of lines that are instantly identifiable. Everybody knows who he is and can quote him. He's right up there with Darth Vadar and Mickey Mouse in terms of instant recognisability. Spielberg needs to get a mention. He's long been my favourite director, and the Indy trilogy plays a large part in this. Quite possibly the most entertaining films ever made (entertainment being an ideal that is all too often frowned upon) Spielberg has a great sense of how to make enticing characters; enthralling, adrenalin-pumping scenes, and knows how to pace these with slower, more emotional scenes. Throw in some great comedy, some great imagination and an undeniable degree of skill behind the camera, it's quite easy to see why Spielberg is loved so. For pure enjoyability, these films can't be topped and Spielberg rarely misses a beat throughout. John Williams. Just because the guy's awesome. Negatives You know what? I don't think I'm even going to bother here. Are these films perfect? Not at all. Look closely and they suffer, like all films do. Lines could be changed, scenes tweaked or removed, performances improved, but I stand by my belief that every film ever made suffers the same problems. There are more obvious gripes as well. Some of the effects look shonky (but always in an endearing way) and Temple especially has it's own unique set of problems (the darker tone is inconsistent, the slave labour storyline doesn't really work and Short Round is as annoying as hell). However, going into detail about the problems really does go against everything these films stand for. They are about entertainment, thrills and spills, action and enjoyment. Plain and simple they are about fun, more so than any other films I can think of, and to dwell on the negatives, go looking for negatives, isn't really helpful. Sure enough, if you simply don't like the films, the fun is missing, then, by all times, nitpick away. But for me, who loves every second of two of then and a good deal of the third, plus the fact that I do believe they are lovingly crafted by a master filmmaker, with oodles of technical mastery on display, the downsides of the film don't detract from them at all, so I refuse to dwell on them. (Yes, I realise this seems well at odds with my recent Kingdom review, perhaps even hypocritical, but that was initial reaction to a new film. These are old favourites for almost two decades, films that have practically seeped into my very being.) But, now is the big question. Which of the three is the best? Well, I'm going to completely break away from tradition in this thread. I've devised a foolproof, scientifically sound series of and awards in order to answer this age-old puzzler. Each film starts out with 100 points and, based on how each film fares, points will be award or deducted. Come the end, the film with the most points is quite obviously the best. Simple. There are plentiful SPOILERS HERE, IN BOTH BOTH WORDS AND PICTURES! so please don't even skim the page if you haven't seen the films (and if you haven't why on Earth haven't you?) Most varied use of vehicles in chase/action scenes Raiders The desert chase. Horse, cars and trucks 1 point Temple Another car chase, but also the most inventive use of a vehicle the mine cart 3 Crusade Where to begin? A horse/car chase that becomes a foot chase on a train, a speedboat chase, a motorcycles chase, a plane chase, plane/car chase, and a horse/tank chase. Certainly the winner 5 points Best use of the Paramount logo dissolving into the film Raiders The logo turns into a great big Peruvian mountain 5 points Temple The logo turns into a great mountain, albeit one that appears on a gong 2 points (1 point, and a bonus point for the gong being used in the film, whereas the other appear only as scenery) Crusade The logo turns into a rock formation in Forbidden Valley 3 points The "This is why John Williams is the film world finest composer awards for the 15 greatest pieces of Indy film music that aren't the Raiders March 1. Belly Of The Beast (Crusade) 15 points 2. Scherzo for Motorcycle and Orchestra (Crusade) 14 points 3. The Desert Chase (Raiders) 13 points 4. The Penitent Man will Pass (features the Grail music) (Crusade) 12 points 5. The Basket Game (Raiders) 11 points 6. The Miracle Of The Ark (Raiders) 10 points 7. The Map Room (Raiders) 9 points 8. No Ticket (Crusade) 8 points 9. The Temple Of Doom (Temple) 7 points 10. Escape From Venice (Crusade) 6 points 11. In The Idol's Temple (Raiders) 5 points 12. Slave Children's Crusade (Temple) 4 points 13. Slalom On Mt Humol (Temple) 3 points 14. Fast Streets Of Shanghai(Temple) 2 points 15. The Warehouse (Raiders) 1 point Best silhouette/shadows of our hero. Temple - 5 points Raiders 4 points Raiders 3 points Crusade 2 points Crusade 1 point (not Indy, but nice to see someone else get in on the action. Nice colours too) Bonus points for the single greatest "heroes riding off into the sunset moment in film Crusade - Actually, considering this is such a cinematic staple, I can't recall seeing that many such moments. Nevertheless, with the Raiders march pounding away, and Indy, Henry, Sallah and Brody becoming specks in the distance, this is just brilliant 10 points Top 5 non-Indy characters Henry Jones Indy dad's, as keen a historian as his son, but not so much an adventurer. Clumsy in the field at times, but his knowledge is his greatest asset. Capable of delivering a whole roster of great lines whilst maintaining his integrity (introduced in Crusade, 5 points) Sallah Indy's old time friend, a loyal companion, willing to risk injury and capture. Saves Indy's life on more than one occasion. Wears a fez, or a turban, hails from Egypt and has 9 children. (Raiders, Crusade 4 points each) - 4 points Marcus Brody Indy's boss as university, always eager to help out his friend and finds a place for any artefacts returned. A scholar by heart, he really isn't built for Indy's daredevil exploits, but is always a welcome addition (Raiders, Crusade 3 points each) Elsa Schneider - The supremely sexy Nazi sympathiser, a bit of a player as well, having bedded two generations of the same family. Still, it's very hard to actually dislike this intelligent woman. She eventually regrets the choices she made, and her death is a shame (Crusade 2 points) Belloq - The anti-Indy. Also an archaeologist, you get the impression he isn't actually a very good one. He seems to simply follow Indy round and steal whatever he finds. However, he knows Indy very well, even to the point of calling his bluff (Raiders 1 point) Negative points for one of the most god-awful characters in the universe Short Round "You call him Dr Jones, Doll. We call you annoying, oik. (Temple) minus 5 points Best use of an infested temple/crypt. Raiders Snakes, and lots of 'em. Added daredevil factor due to the fact that not only does our hero dislike them, but that iconic cobra that rears its head is actually a bit dangerous 5 points Temple Bugs, various and plentiful. The one with the greatest ick factor. Still, suck it up, be a man (or a woman, as the case may be) and stick your hand down that bloody hole 1 point (plus one bonus point for Indy actually being in danger and unable to get himself out of. When that spike pushed down on his hat nasty!) Crusade Rats. Lots and lot of rats. So many rats Indy even stands on one, and a great many get barbecued. Poor rats. Still, if I was trapped in oil underneath a coffin, as sure as hell wouldn't them crawling in and taking up residence I my hair 3 points Top 5 action scenes. The tank fight This has always been my favourite action scene in the films. With a the rousing "Belly Of The Beast music accompanying it, this is nigh on perfect. Some nice humour, typically boo-hiss villains, the trademark use of the whip, plus Henry and Marcus helping out, this is fantastic. (Crusade) 5 points The desert chase A very, very, very close second. So close it's actually joint first. More gritty than the above, and perhaps an even better scene overall. You can feel Indy's pain when he gets shot (and later punched in the wound) and the stunt work on he underside and front of the truck needs to be seen to be believed (Raiders) 5 points Peruvian temple As mentioned earlier, an instant classic, a perfect introduction to a legend (Raiders) 4 points Mine carts/rope bridge The only Temple scene in the top 5 that could be considered 2 separate entries, but it's one seamless piece of action. You can tell why they made a rollercoaster out of the mine cart sequence, even watching it has that coaster feel to it, and Indy's solution to being trapped on the bridge has a whole "No, you can't be serious quality to it (Temple) 3 points Motorbikes It was tough to choose between this, the speedboats or the plane sequence, but this just wins, probably for the way in which Indy dispatches the Nazi riders with glee, only to be met with serious disapproval from his dad. Best bit is when Indy jams a flagpole into the spokes of a bike, only for the rider to be flown 20 feet into the air. Great stuff 2 points. Best leading lady Marion Ravenwood As it turns out, she's the only woman for Indy; they've got together three times that we know of. She's also got a lot of spunk, able to hold her own in a fight, a match for Indy almost at times (Raiders) 3 points Willie Scott The most annoying of the three, more concerned about broken nails than bullets whizzing past her head. However, despite the fact that I think she gets an unfair rep, she's bottom of the list. She has a decent set of lungs though (Temple) 1 point. Elsa Schneider The one lady that seems to share Indy's passion for history and archaeology. Ok, so she sold him and his father out to the Nazi's, but having a femme fatale was a change of pace, and a very good one (Crusade) 5 points Sexiest leading lady. Tough one this, as Karen Allen, Kate Capshaw and Alison Doody are all very good-looking ladies. I'll go with the order of the above category though. None are a patch on the latest leading lady though! Marion (Raiders) Raiders - 3 points Willie (Temple) 1 point Elsa (Crusade) 5 points Best closing scene Raiders - The warehouse. The ark. That bloke hiding it from the rest of the world. That music. Just grand 5 points Temple Indy and Willie in an embrace, Short Arse laughs as an elephant soaks them, Indy and Willie embrace again, get surrounded by recently released former slave children. Not grand 1/5 Crusade As mentioned earlier, this is a superb ending. Brody failing to match his swagger as he rides off, Revelations that Indy is "named after the doooog, the music, the sunset, Just grand. I can't pick between this and Raiders so 5/5 Best opening sequence Raiders Golden idols, poison arrows, giant boulders. Tarantulas, sunbeam booby traps, "You throw me the idol, I throw you the whip (If anyone has ever played the great PC game called Outlaws, a western by LucasArts, there's a wonderful nod to this line), the introduction of a true icon. A sure-fire classic 5 points Temple A nice take on a great song and I am the only who thinks Capshaw is really sexy performing this? Maybe. I wish Spielberg would do a musical. Still last though. 1 point Crusade A comical back story which provides us a glimpse Indy's childhood, and also how he came into possession of his trademark hat and whip, the origin of his chin car and his fear of snakes 3 points Best supernaturally enhanced death. Raiders The triple whammy face melting of Colonel Dietrich, Belloq and Toht. Plus all the nameless minions who get lightning bolts through their chests 5/5 Temple That poor sacrifice victim. Not only does he survive having his heart ripped out, he's then lowered down a great pit into some hellish pool of lava. Not the nicest way to go 1/5 Crusade Walter Donovan. Aging countless years in mere seconds, even doing an impression of Doc Brown, before, for some reason, flying backwards into a wall. As the knight said "He chose poorly 3/5 Best death of a secondary villain in a non-supernaturally enhanced dispatchment method Raiders The German mechanic, played by Pat Roach. This bald, moustached bastard gives Indy a run for his money, but his brains don't match his brawn and he's promptly minced 5/5 Temple Pat Roach again, this time as a Thugee warrior. Quite horribly he gets squished when his turban gets trapped under a stone crusher. Such a horrible death is this, even Indy tries to save him. Don't see that every day 4/5 (An honourable mention and bonus point to the sap who gets skewered by a flaming kebab!) Crusade Colonel Vogel's header off a cliff in the tank. The slightly naff model work is endearing here, but that isn't the reason why it's last. It's a good way to go, but not quite as nasty as the others, Plus, at this point, all we're really concerned about if what has happened to our hero! 1 point 10 minor characters we want to know more about (although we do learn about some of them in the Young Indy Chronicles and the novels) Fedora Easily the most interesting minor character in any of the Jones films. Just who was this guy? How many other artefacts had he found? Was he to Panama Hat what Indy was to Marcus Brody? Let's face it, the look of the iconic character we know and love would have been different indeed had Indy not encountered this bloke (Crusade) 10 points Captain Katanga Able to make up lies on the spot, even risks telling porkies to the nasty Nazis. This dude is cool. So cool that even Alton Towers named an area of the theme park after him (this may not actually be true!) He needs his own spin-off (Raiders) - 9 points Kazim Member of The Brotherhood Of The Cruciform Sword. Tries to kill Indy, realises he shouldn't and that gets killed by Donovan and his goons. A shame, as he was a honourable guy on a honourable mission (which he performed with more flair than Silas and co) Plus, he had a cool moustache (Crusade) - 8 points The Grail Knight I want to this man's story on film. Admittedly, once he begins his 700 yearlong guard duty it'll get a tad boring, but up until then, I suspect he had some adventures (Crusade) - 7 points Wu Han A short-lived sidekick of Indy, snuffed in his prime by one of Lao Che's sons. He did indeed beat Indy into the last great adventure *sniff* (Temple) - 6 points Sapito We don't know that much about him to be honest. He's not chuffed about spiders, he isn't really that cautious when it comes to booby taps and he's willing to betray the people he works for. Bit of a git, really. (Raiders) 5 points Lao Che Why does he do business in a club named after a Jedi knight, what became of him and his hoodlums and, more importantly, why does one of his sons look like Emperor Ming? (Temple) 4 points Herman Mueller Bugle playing do-gooder who inadvertently brings more trouble to young Indy when trying to help (Crusade) - 3 points Panama Hat The white suited, moustached man who wants the Cross Of Coronado. One suspects he's more of a Walter Donovan character than a Belloq, happy to have others travel the world for his own personal gain (Crusade) - 2 points Barranca The Peruvian guide who attempted to kill Indy, only to fall foul of the poison darts of the Hovitos (Raiders) 1 point Best disapproving glances. Raiders Indy looks at Marion after being smacked by the mirror 1 point Temple Indy glares at Willie after she almost allowed him to die 5 points Crusade A switcheroo here, as it's Indy's dad that gives the glare (an extra point for the utter deflation we see on Indy afterwards) 4 points Best use of booby-trapped temple/character testing, erm, tests. Raiders As mentioned, this opening scene is a classic. You'd think it'd be hard to beat, but beat it was 3 points Temple You know you're in trouble when the ceiling starts to come down and spikes appear from above and below. You're in even more trouble when your saviour is scared of getting her hands dirty. Still, it loses points for being one single, solitary self-contained room 1 point Crusade It might be considered sacrilegious by some, but the finale of Crusade trumps the opening of Raiders for me. A number of reasons for this. First, something is definitely at stake here the life of Henry Jones. Secondly, although the opening Of Raiders introduced us to an icon, by the close of Crusade we've followed this icon over 6 hours and 3 adventures, we desperately want him to succeed. Lastly, though the devices used might not be any more dangerous than those we've seen before, here they are truly testing Jones, his knowledge and his faith. This scene has more going for it than sheer excitement and an adrenalin rush 5 points Top 5 moments of awe and wonder. Let me explain this first. (This may be old news so some that have read other posts of mine across the boards) One thing I love about Spielberg is how he can create scenes in which we, the viewer, experience the same rush of feelings as the onscreen protagonist. Think Close Encounter when the mothership lands. Who doesn't look on in amazement, who doesn't feel the same sense of excitement as Roy Neary? The same happens in Indiana Jones in both the action sequences, and, particularly, quieter moments in which we, like Indy, feel that history is being made, something truly special is occurring, for either good or bad (such scenes felt conspicuously absent from The Crystal Skulls) Elsa sums it up best with her "giddy as a schoolboy comments. The following are all such scenes of archaeological history making. The Leap Of Faith It's hard to describe how much I like this scene, and it's hard to describe why. I'm quite possibly the most non-religious person I know, but here, as Indy has to face his beliefs and take a step to what is almost certain doom, it's almost enough to make me change my position. The music ads greatly to this scene, it's one of Williams' finest pieces of work. (Crusade) 5 points The Map Room This is just a brilliant scene from Spielberg, everything about it is perfect. Having acquitted the Staff of Ra, and discovered that Belloq and his men "are digging in the wrong place Indy heads down into the map Room to find the location of The Well of Souls. As sweat drips from his brow and the beam of sunlight radiates throughout the room, it's hard not to get swept up in the moment. (Raiders) 4 points Discovery Of the Ark As the ominous storm clouds roll overhead, there's a great sense of anticipation as to just what is in the Well of Souls. When the Ark it finally revealed, pure brilliant gold, you can tell Sallah and Indy are impressed, as are the audience. (Raiders) 3 points) Opening of the Ark When the ark opening ceremony finally arrives, the mystical object has been so built up by this point, it's hard to know what to expect. For good or bad, we know something impressive is about to occur. When Indy tells Marion to close here eyes, we figure the latter. Brilliant. (Raiders) 2 points The Second Marker Less mystical than other moment but no less compulsive, Indy is genuinely happy at this point, and this obvious sense of excitement he feels finds its way to the audience as well. (Crusade) 1 point Bonus points for best nod to a previous film Crusade Under the library in Venice, the Ark appears on the wall and we hear the great Ark music - 5 points Negative points for most gratuitous non-Indy stunt Temple - During the course of the films, many of Indy's companions get into the action, usually in some kind of fisticuff or chase scene. Still, the true daredevil heroics are usually left up to Indy alone, which is why it grates me why some else gets in on the action. Raiders and Crusade are quite free of this though. It's Temple that lets them down, with Short Round doing his bit on the ladder in the mines. Annoying git minus 5 points. "Hang on a minute, Indy's actually in a bit of trouble here moments. Raiders During the desert chase, Indy receives his most obvious and, by the looks of it, most painful injury. Shot in the arm whilst in the truck, he then gets punched in the wound. Plus the fact he's got a bunch of Nazi's to fight off, and ends up working his way under the truck, the chances of a happy outcome aren't always guaranteed 3 points Temple Once Indy is fully under the influence of the black blood, beating up Short (about time) and trying to kill Willie, things sure aren't looking good. However, the worst bit is when he's writhing around in agony once he's first drunk the blood. The darkest bit in Indy, and a rare top spot for Temple 5 point Crusade Although the chances of surviving a 500 foo5 cliff drop are slim, and although it certainly does look likes he's made the plunge, surely everybody knows that Indy would find some way out of this scrape. It's a great moment, but last of the three - 1 point. Optical effect Raiders Quite a few goodies here, mostly near the end with the Ark and the spirits. Also of note are the rolling storms clouds when the Ark is discovered 5 points Temple The big 'ol lava pit is very impressive 3 points Crusade None so much here and I actually think this is more of a matte painting than a proper optical effect, but the zeppelin gets a mention 1 point Make up effect Raiders The fantastically grim face meltings during the finale 5 points Temple Not really anything of great note, but some of the Thugees have face paint. Hardly matches the other films though 1 point Crusade Walter Donovan gains years gains seconds 3 points Sexiest exchange Raiders - On the boat, the "Where doesn't it hurt bit 5 points Temple Outside Willie's palace bedroom, the "research scene 1 point Crusade Once the ransacked rooms have been discovered, the "arrogant men conversation 3 points Best set Raiders A few goodies here. The desert dig is quite vast, and the Well Of Souls impresses, but it's the Temple in Peru that makes the biggest impression 5 points Temple Another temple here, the Sacrificial Palace, just beats out the mines - 3 points Crusade Not quite the same type of set here, the Berlin and the book burning has to get a mention. The large amount of extras help to make this scene 1 point 5 Handy uses for a whip! Use it to hang a Thugee guard from a ceiling fan! (Temple) 5 points Lodge it into the underside of a fast moving truck as a handy means of escape! (Raiders) 4 points Prevent your dad from being squished by the tracks of a tank! (Crusade) - 3 points Lasso your girl! (Temple) -2 points Cause havoc and set fire to a Nepalese bar when you whisk away a branding iron! (Raiders) 1 point Bonus points for having the audacity to use the whip against Indy Temple 2 points Saving/rescuing/retrieval of iconic accessory Raiders Must get the whip! 3 points Temple Must get the hat (but it's rehash of Raiders) 1 point Crusade Let Mother Nature do the work for you! 5 points Top comic moments The burning room sequence is filled with gems. "The floor's on fire. And the chair. "Our situation has not improved "Dad! What? Dad! What? Dad! What? Not high art perhaps but it always makes me laugh (Crusade) 17 points The most insanely over the top howl of pain in the history of cinema as Marion swings the mirror and clocks Indy on the chin (Raiders) 16 points "How did you know she was a Nazi? "She talks in her sleep Made all the more funny by the wonderful facial expression that Connery gives (Crusade) 15 points The librarian and the loud "clang as he stamps books (Crusade) 14 points The wonderful comic fall backwards Indy makes after being punched by the mechanic (Raiders) 13 points "Brody's got friends in every town and village from here to the Sudan, he speaks a dozen languages, knows every local custom, he'll blend in, disappear, you'll never see him again. With any luck, he's got the grail already cutting straight to a marvellously inept Brody having all manner of trouble finding his way. This scene also plays into the great line later on "he got lost once in his own museum (Crusade) 12 points Indy shoots the Swordsman (Raiders) 11 points When Henry and Indy are discovered by the Nazi's, they raise their arms in unison, and deliver the line "What book? in harmony, which leads to the classic "I should have mailed it to the Marx Brothers, and the scene ending with "Look what you did, I can't believe what you just did. (Crusade) 10 points "No ticket (Crusade) 9 points The whole "wait 5 minutes sequence (Temple) 8 points This bit. Always make me chuckle (Crusade) 7 points Indy attempts to shoot the Thugees, in the same manner as the Raiders swordsman but discovers he has no gun. (Temple) 6 points Indy breaks away from kissing Elsa "Ah Venice (Crusade) 5 points Indy pretends to be a Scotsman. It's the awful accent that makes this great (Crusade) 4 points Indy joins Marcus, Henry and Sallah at the cliff top, unaware that they think he's dead (Crusade) - 3 points "Asps. Very dangerous. You go first (Raiders) 2 points Willie gets frightened by all manner of wildlife while Indy and Shorty are arguing over a card game (Temple) 1 points Luckiest/narrowest escape Raiders Considering all he puts up with in this film, Indy was almost offed by some poison. Bad dates indeed. Good ol' Sallah! 1 point Temple The escape from the plane was close, but the spike filled temple takes it spot here. Completely and utterly out of Indy's hands 3 points Crusade Trapped by the strap of his bad to the gun turret of a tank. Indy's having a bad time. Scrapped against a cliff wall, with a face full of dust, Indy finds the tank rapidly speeding up towards an outcrop that'll do him in for good, Thankfully, Henry Sr sets off a gun and the ricocheting bullet happens to find the tank driver, who promptly falls over and steers the tank away. Talk about lucky! 5 points Daredevil Moment Raiders Not that there was much he could do in this instance, but his trip under the truck was his most dardevilish moment in this film 3 points Temple It's a tie here. Causing the bridge you're on to collapse is quite extreme, as is using your own strength to act as brakes on a runway mine cart - 3 points Crusade When you're about to get minced by a propeller, it's probably not the best time to have a fistfight 3 points Best "Oh dear god looks Cliiiiiiiiiiiiif (Crusade) 7 points Gulp! (Raiders) 6 points The Frightened Rabbit (Crusade) 5 points The "Give me a break, haven't I been though enough? look (Temple) 4 points "Where the hell did all these baskets come from? (Raiders) 3 points Too much water! (Temple) 2 points The "Dear God Almighty, what the bloody hell was that look (Crusade) 1 point Bonus points for a non-Indy "Dear god look Vogel (Crusade) 2 points Negative points for the most unnecessary requirement of disbelief Temple Jumping out of the window, straight through a whole host of canopies and as luck would have it, straight into back seat of the car. Just a bit too much for me, and with none of the flair of other such extravagant moments minus 3 points Best snake moment Raiders - The face-off between Indy and the Cobra 5 points Temple When Willie thinks the snake is the trunk of the elephant and Indy gets scared, it's good for comic value, but the best bit comes later when Indy is in the Temple and tips his hat towards a snake statue 3 points Crusade The opening flashback when we see how Indy acquired a snake phobia. Loses marks for the naff way in which a piddly little snake allows Indy to escape just seconds later. 1 point Negative points for having dodgy effects Temple The awful plane explosion and the mine cart that doesn't seem to want to travel on the tracks - minus 5 points Baddest act of bad guy-ness from the bad guys Belloq Eats a fly! (Raiders) - 1 point Mola Throws own men to the crocs! (Temple) 3 points Walter Shoots Indy's dad! (Crusade) 5 points Bonus points for single best line "It seems to me that goose stepping morons liker yourself should try reading books instead of burning them (Crusade) 5 points And after all that, the scores! Raiders 230 Temple 90 Crusade 317 Proving, conclusively and beyond a shadow of a doubt, that Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade is the best Indy film. I've actually thought that for years anyway, so had I just gone with my gut I could have saved myself a lot of time and energy, but still! ------------------------------------------------------- 2nd Place goes to: Piles .............Page 48 The Incredible Hulk PLOT AND INTRO "More action! That's what the fans called out for after the onslaught that met Ang Lee's 2003 Hulk. And that's the very thing that writer-star Edward Norton aimed to give us. When director Louis Leterrier, famous for his action-packed-but-nothing-more Transporter movies, was signed onto the project it was pretty clear that things were about to change. Empire claimed the climactic battle to be a 26-minute free-for-all spanning across Harlem. The times may be a bit off, but the action in Letterier's re-incarnation is exactly what Hulk fans will be watering at the mouth for; it's in your face, it's brash, it's crude, and it doesn't take itself too seriously. The plot sees Banner (Ed Norton) on the run from the US armed forces, who want to take his DNA for sampling so that they can mould as Tim Roth's Bronsky over simplifies it "super soldiers. Banner doesn't like this. Banner hides from the army, whilst the Hulk fights with them. NEGATIVES The comparisons with Ang Lee's Hulk aren't really very profound, except that in both films our superhero is green. In fact, the dissimilarity between the two can be told from the off. After an intense opening credits sequence, in which we get a hulk out and an origins story in a format that doesn't do the drama justice, we get an incident ticker reading "157 Days Without Incident. And here's where the first difference lies; Leterrier's Incredible Hulk simplifies this period into four words, whilst Lee's Hulk would take as much interest in this 157 "incident-less period as it would the initial hulk-up. And your opinion on this as a good thing or a bad thing depends on your opinions on 2003's big green. I, personally, loved it. And no, this is not a way of me justifying myself as cine-literate just because I liked the slightly more philosophical take on the brute. I think Lee's film was something different. And that's what Leterrier's Incredible Hulk lacks; a little bit of originality. Of course, walking into the theatre ninety per cent of people know exactly what they're letting themselves in for, but that doesn't mean a bit of originality like in Lee's film is a bad thing. Another dissimilarity that I noticed was the climactic battle. In Lee's 2003 effort, Hulk takes on a dishevelled Nick Nolte in an abstract battle, away from all prying eyes in a private glade. The Incredible Hulk hosts its climactic scene in Harlem, with millions of prying eyes and your typical Hollywood garrison of police and soldiers. Again, whilst 2008's effort conforms to movie clichιs, Lee's 2003 version strived to be that little bit different. And 2003's version is not the only film that the Incredible Hulk has taken influence from. You don't have to look hard to see most of them. The initial (admittedly impressive) tracking shot that sweeps over the top of a Brazilian slums that Banner calls home is a throw-back to 2003's City of God (Fernando Meirelles), as if the makers are trying to get that gritty, dramatic feel. And then there's the final battle, which takes a lot from 50's Japanese film Gojira (Ishiro Honda), and even snippets from 2008's Cloverfield (Matt Reeves). There's also the relationship between Betty (Liv Tyler) and Hulk's alter-ego Bruce Banner, which draws parallels to King Kong (1933, Merrian Cooper and Ernest Schoedstack) and Beauty and the Beast (1991, Gary Trousdale and Kirk Wise). There's even a Reservoir Dogs (1992, Quentin Tarrantino) reference thrown in there, probably thanks to the presence of Tim Roth. Referencing each of these films is a nice touch, and one that will make a movie fan smile, but it also manages to point out that this new version of Big Green is not as good as each and every one of these films. I don't usually like references in films, unless they're inter-references between linked ones (like the final scene which I won't ruin), because linking to a film so obviously better than your own does nothing but bring your movie down. And then there's the misplaced romantic sub-plot. Liv Tyler is not my favourite actress, and that's not just because of the restraining order. Her scenes carry a drama about them that seems misplaced, as if twenty minutes of Love, Actually has managed to sneak into the middle of an all-out action film. There are many, many superhero films where the romantic part of it is the worst bit, including Batman Begins (2005, Chris Nolan) and all three Spider-Man films. Needless to say, Hulk's Tyler-Norton love story tops that list, because the two of them have little to no chemistry, and neither of them seem to be committed to that particular part of the film. You don't care about their pay-off, and wish they'd just get it over with so we can get to some more Hulk Smash. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that Tyler had more chemistry with the CGI than she did with Norton. POSITIVES As I've already suggested, the Incredible Hulk shines when we move into the action scenes. The initial, opening-credits montage didn't fill me with the greatest confidence. It did seem like something from a camp 80s TV show, but once we move away from the 1st person perspective we get to see a raw intensity that rivals any fight scene ever made in a superhero movie. In particular, there's a scene slap bang in the middle that stems from a Banner-Ross romantic encounter (just as I was slumping off). In the grounds of a university, we get a scene that involves, in no particular order: Matrix-esque slo-mo, Car doors used for shields and weapons, a Helicopter being blown up, a Hulk-out, a freak-out and more [bloodless] deaths than you can shake a fist at. At one point, William Hurt's power-driven General shouts out "move him towards the cannons! Forget psychobabble or mythos, this is why people come to see a Hulk movie. But despite the fact that the Incredible Hulk is more about Hulk Smash than psychoanalysis, there is a running theme. And, in my view, it's of Assurances. All four of our major characters have has assurances made to them that haven't been kept. Banner was lied to about the true meaning behind his experiments, and has had his good will and book smarts turned against him because of bravery. Elizabeth has been lied to about Bruce, and his true destiny. The General has been lied to about almost everything by his superiors, which has painted a picture in his mind that power is the only thing that really matters. And Blonsky has been lied to about his place in the scheme of things. He's not an innovator, he's a guinea pig. Basically, the Incredible Hulk asks us about trust, about the credibility of the assurances we get in our own life, and the reliability of the sources they come from. So, Hulk's main competition (Dark Knight excluded, because that's in a league of its own) is Jon Favreau's very different Iron Man. And how does it come up against it? Pretty well. They're both similar films, with our hero going up against something much better or stronger than he is, but still a version of him. Both films point out the ambiguity of the notion of a hero, and both question the intelligence in putting all of your faith in this one person especially when this person is as flawed as the rest of us. When we're concentrating on the comedy and the humour (Hulk has two funny lines; "you won't like me when I'm... hungry, and "why do you keep hitting people?!), Iron Man runs away with the competition. But for the action? Big Green easily supersedes his Iron-clad brother, with fight scenes that make Iron Man's final battle seem like a fight that involves cuddly, old Jeff Bridges. In truth, they're both pretty good, but for very different reasons. Another similarity between Iron Man and the Incredible Hulk is that its worse performance comes from its female lead (as mentioned earlier), and that its best two come from its hero and arch-villain. Edward Norton's script is patchy, but his performance is excellent. He never, to me at least, seemed like the correct choice to play the Hulk, but it works. He's adept at playing Bruce, the social paranoia and the feeling that he's a pariah being heavy influences on his performances. With the Hulk, it's not really his job, more that of the CGI technicians and Lou Ferringo (who has not so much a blink-and-you'll-miss-it cameo as a fall-asleep-and-wake-up-half-hour-later-and-you'll-miss-it cameo), who provides the voice. Superseding even Norton is Tim Roth, who delivers a hammy-yet-brilliant performance as his arch-nemesis and military mastermind Emil Blonsky. Maybe in the last two minutes, before the transformation, his tough-guy persona does begin to grate, but up until that moment its top notch stuff from a top notch actor. In essence, the Incredible Hulk is two different films crammed into one. One is brilliant, and the other is awful, and they both seem to balance each other out. As with Iron Man, Hulk v2.0 lends itself to suggest a sequel would be a good move, and therefore the Avengers seems like a fantastic move. The Avengers will need to give its time to the heroes, and hence won't have dodgy romance (hopefully, it won't feature a WAGs subplot), and will pack Hulk's punch but capture Stark's sense of humour. It's also great how they're building it throughout the other creations, and it appears that the Avengers may just be another movie that everyone can't wait to see. Only another three years to go. Verdict When Hulk uses his brawn, this is exponentially better than Iron Man and up there with the best comic book movies. However, when it gets down to romantic parts and the "comedic quips, it's a sour disappointment. ---------------------------------------------------- Honorable Mention Awards go to: Matthewforan .............Page 49 Die Hard (1988) What's It All About? John McClane (Willis) has been a New York cop for the past 11 years, 6 months previously his wife moved to LA to her new job at the highflying Nakatomi Corporation. He's come to LA for another shot at trying to get back with his wife Holly (Bedelia) who he feels guilty about not truly believing in. But the Christmas party he is invited to by mistake is soon interrupted by Hans (Rickman) and his group of terrorists. McClane is now a one man walking army to try to get his wife back and stop them from stealing hundreds of millions of dollars from the Nakatomi vault. During which time he develops a bond with beat cop Al (Johnson) in one of cinema most famous buddy cop partnerships and some of the best action you're likely to see on the big screen. The Good Well lets face facts if you haven't bothered to see this film yet you really shouldn't be on this website in the first palce because this is the best action movie ever made. The action set pieces are some of the best you'll see, big explosions, shoot outs and some great fight scenes. Die Hard is also the proud owner of one of the great finales of the 80's, just when you think it's all over they pull you back in with a thundering shot. Although he was not first or even second choice for the role Bruce Willis, really defined himself as a leading man and he stands out as the everyman. He manages everything from pulling off the action, the laughs and of course that now famous grin. His counterpart Alan Rickman who is without question a great actor and with one of the best voices in the business excels as the lead bad guy Hans. Who I'm sure many will agree with me when I say he is one of the best villains of the last 20 years. Other great cast members include Reginald Vel.Johnson, one of the all time buddy cop pairings. But it's Johnson's Al that adds the real heart to the story, telling McClane about his accident and his wife expecting really adds to an already great story. William Atherton is also very memorable as the smarmy reporter that you love to hate. The script, there are a lot of sharp one liners, the heart to heart between McClane and Powell over the radio and of course the catchphrase that even your grandmother knows "Yippie-kay-yay, motherfucker. The two Agent Johnson's are also worth a mention. Also it's the best Christmas movie not about Christmas. The Bad Lack of score, I know it's not a big thing but I like a good score and the lack of one is disappointing. The "terrorists are very stereotyped but then again when are they not. The Verdict It's one if not the best action movie ever made, it has the perfect leading man and some of the best set pieces that you'll see. It never tires with viewings, I've seen it around 20 times and never fails to impress. 90% ----------------------------------------------- Well there you have it....another month....another award. The after party will be held at my house starting at 11pm sharp. If you didnt win an award this month and feel a bit.... Dont be sad.....try again this month!! Thanks everyone!!!
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