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Actual Sex In Movies!! - 26/9/2006 2:25:05 PM   
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Afternoon Everyone,

Hope we're all well on this fine afternoon.

I was talking to my mate the other week and he mentioned how he had been reading an article about the upcoming movie Shortbus.  The movie is the latest from John Cameron Mitchell, director of Hedwig And The Angry Inch.  I should point out that I've not seen anything of his previous work, just so you know.

Anyway, the movie is about a sex club called Shortbus and features unsimulated sex scenes.  My mate was amazed.  He couldn't beleive it.  Real sex in real films! I explained that this isn't actually a new thing and that for the last few years it's cropped up more and more, most notably Nine Songs.  So, my mate was utterly stunned by this and advised me he would be off to rent Nine Songs.  I told him to download some free porn off the internet if he was in the mood for some unsimulated sex.  I recommended Deep Cheeks 7.

So, I was thinking about it.  There are now more movies being made with actors and actresses engaging in some good old fashioned rutting for our enjoyment.  I'm just wondering, is it necessary??  I really wanted to go and see Nine Songs when it opened because it featured rare live performaces from some of my favorite bands.  I was put off as I didn't fancy watching Gruey getting a footjob in the bath!!  Michael Winterbottom was obviously making a movie about empty relationships and such, but did he need to include so many graphic scenes?? 

Apparently Shortbus ups the ante and includes all manner of naughtiness.  I can't see that it's needed though.  I think I would find it a little distracting from the story being told.  And by that I don't mean I'm sat in the cinema with a raging hard on, I just mean.  I'm not sure what I mean.

It's like, if I want to watch people fucking, then I'll pay a visit to my extensive porn stash.  Is there going to be a point where someone says "enough, no more stonking hard ons in movies!"?? Is there anything you would object to on screen? I know for a fact that I don't wanna see Kathy Bates tits again!  Does anyone feel this new approach to whats acceptable in mainstream movies is just plain wrong? If anyone has no idea what I'm talking about, do a quick Google search for Nine Songs, The Brown Bunny, Shortbus and maybe Ken Park.  There good examples of films that have rather graphic content.  My personal feelings?? Well, I've just kinda become tired of it.  Enough is enough, let movies be movies and porn be porn.

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RE: Actual Sex In Movies!! - 26/9/2006 2:35:19 PM   
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He's off to rent 9 Songs because you told him there was real sex in it?

Christ.

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RE: Actual Sex In Movies!! - 26/9/2006 2:44:32 PM   
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Ooooooh this thread gave me the chuckles.

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RE: Actual Sex In Movies!! - 26/9/2006 2:47:14 PM   
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Interesting point.  Not sure of my opinion either way, just that, at the moment at least, "real sex in a mainstream movie" usually seems to be a selling point rather than a natural ingredient in the film.  

What I have noticed is that, more often than not, if a feature film has real sex in it, the film itself is usually rubbish, like all of the ones you mention (except Shortbus, which I've not seen).  Another two - Intimacy was like watching paint dry and Romance was astonishingly appalling.  There was a time when I would've said The Idiots was the only really good film I'd seen with real sex in it, but having seen it again recently (as my dislike of Lars Von Trier has increased, funnily enough) it really ain't all that.

I guess the real test will be when someone does something like Nine Songs, but with A-list stars and an A-list budget. 

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RE: Actual Sex In Movies!! - 26/9/2006 3:09:33 PM   
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Yea, fucked isn't he.  I think a lot of it is a 'I don't believe it 'till I see it' factor.  Still, totally fucking retarded.

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RE: Actual Sex In Movies!! - 26/9/2006 3:11:13 PM   
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It's not just about real, unsimulated sex. Often just any sex scene in a movie is just really awful, cringe inducing and supremely unsexy (and I don't just mean crap like Showgirls, I mean sex scenes in otherwise good movies). It'd be pretty hard for me to come up with a list of good movie sex scenes. It's just quite hard to make movie sex actually sexy but when it comes to real sex in movies, since you're never going to get a half decent actor willing to do it, then you have that problem as well. Even though it's real sex in 9 Songs, it is still somehow unconvincing.

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RE: Actual Sex In Movies!! - 26/9/2006 3:14:26 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: great_badir

Interesting point.  Not sure of my opinion either way, just that, at the moment at least, "real sex in a mainstream movie" usually seems to be a selling point rather than a natural ingredient in the film.  



Totally agree, it's like the makers are screaming "Look! They're really fucking!!!".  And as they stand about screaming about how they're trying to show a real relationship, they forget to make a decent film.  It also seems to me that they're trying to outdo each other.  Every film that includes some of these unsimulated scenes seems to go that little bit further, in a bid to be the more controversial.  I mean, if you can, check out the redband trailer for Shortbus.  I know it was posted on CHUD.com a while ago.  For a trailer, it's pretty heavy stuff.

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RE: Actual Sex In Movies!! - 26/9/2006 3:29:49 PM   
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It draws me back to that old thread about whether nudity or sex was necessary in film at all and to be honest it can be. It can be relevant to the plot and it can help you understand the characters. In that respect a technique like using real sex might be equivilent to a technique like making actors eat real food or having something like a random story from Frankenstein. Apparently Richard Briers actually had to convince De Niro to enter the hut in one scene. De Niro said he would not enter if he did not feel entirely welcomed. this is of course very serious method acting, but when people like Bale loose so much weight for a role then the lines get blurred.


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RE: Actual Sex In Movies!! - 26/9/2006 3:39:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: monkeyfish

It's just quite hard to make movie sex actually sexy but when it comes to real sex in movies, since you're never going to get a half decent actor willing to do it


It's only a matter of time.  Sure, there's probably no big stars now that will be up for it (Kerry Fox in Initimacy is the most famous actor I can think of who's "gone all the way"), but of the generation of actors who are just starting in films now (as real sex is becoming more of regular occurrance in mainstream cinema) there will probably be a few who will "do it" (fnarr) and by this time be in the next batch of A-listers.

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RE: Actual Sex In Movies!! - 26/9/2006 3:42:13 PM   
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actual sex in mainstream movies is about as welcome as actual plot in porno.

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RE: Actual Sex In Movies!! - 26/9/2006 4:11:46 PM   
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Real sex in mainstream movies is just a marketing tool, so people will go for the shock factor and all those spotty oiks in dirty macs can go to a "normal" cinema to get their jollies while claiming it's an "art film".

Personally, there are enough totally redundant sex scenes in movies as it is, without adding real porn to them. I certainly don't want to be watching a plot driven movie only to suddenly witness an erect penis sliding into some old vagina, thank you very much!

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RE: Actual Sex In Movies!! - 26/9/2006 4:53:49 PM   
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My thoughts are divided on this...on the one hand it can be seen as realism because people really do have sex but on the other hand any film that contains 'real' sex at the moment will either be, as people have already mentioned, for marketing or shock factor purposes

There may come a time when a sex scene in a movie will demand unsimulated sex

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RE: Actual Sex In Movies!! - 26/9/2006 5:03:16 PM   
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He's off to rent 9 Songs because you told him there was real sex in it?

Christ.


I saw it for the music. Honestly, I did....

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RE: Actual Sex In Movies!! - 26/9/2006 5:08:59 PM   
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only to suddenly witness an erect penis sliding into some old vagina, thank you very much!

I love the phrase "some old vagina", I'm going to use it more in conversation.


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RE: Actual Sex In Movies!! - 26/9/2006 5:42:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bulletproof_Monk

quote:

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He's off to rent 9 Songs because you told him there was real sex in it?

Christ.


I saw it for the music. Honestly, I did....


What, you mean the film that's got "THE MOST SEXUALLY EXPLICIT FILM IN THE HISTORY OF BRITISH CINEMA" as one of it's critics' quotes?


Of course you did.

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RE: Actual Sex In Movies!! - 26/9/2006 6:04:06 PM   
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I can only really comment on Brown Bunny and 9 Songs and they were both pretentious drivel.  9 Songs is on my worst ever film list with sturpid dialogue mixed with uncomfortable and self concious sex scenes and some scenes from music gigs and that is about it.  The director seems to be trying to say it means more than the attempted titillation that ends up on the screen.  And the bj in Brown bunny seems tacked on purely for publicity purposes rather than for any specific plot purpose.

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RE: Actual Sex In Movies!! - 26/9/2006 9:44:10 PM   
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Larry Clark claims that all the sex in Ken Park is simulated but I'm not sure I believe that.

To be honest though I think all his films are done purely for the shock value of seeing teenage kids fucking.  I fail to see the artistic merit in some kid jerking off then jizzing all over his hand while practising auto-erotic asphyxiation.

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RE: Actual Sex In Movies!! - 26/9/2006 9:52:40 PM   
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Here's a news item from film unlimited.
It's going to the London film festival....click below

Middle-class porn romp for film festival

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RE: Actual Sex In Movies!! - 26/9/2006 10:01:24 PM   
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To be honest, it's going to be a long time before a film with real sex scenes is seen as anything other than shock for shock's sake. But then, they fail to be shocking, and just end up being shit. 

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RE: Actual Sex In Movies!! - 26/9/2006 10:10:29 PM   
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plus with these unsimulated sex scenes you know they're never going to break out the 2 pound black ribbed knobbler so they'll never live up to real porn

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RE: Actual Sex In Movies!! - 27/9/2006 5:49:18 PM   
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He's off to rent 9 Songs because you told him there was real sex in it?

Christ.

Don't sound so suprised, 'I wanted to see nine songs because it featured rare performances from some of my favourite bands' ??
I prefer the real sex excuse.

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RE: Actual Sex In Movies!! - 27/9/2006 6:23:26 PM   
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After having watched DESTRICTED, it seems that there is little left that the BBFC won't pass anymore.
DESTRICTED isn't porn, but nor is it art. It's just people doing sex while being filmed (often very badly filmed) and if you find that shocking then there really is no hope for you.
1 final point. If you go to your local Blockbuster this week, you'll notice that they have about as many copies of DESTRICTED as they do of FRIENDS WITH MONEY, BENCHWARMERS or EIGHT BELOW. Sex sells, and Blockbuster know it.

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