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RE: The Death Penalty - 4/8/2011 12:05:10 PM

superdan

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I may be wrong, but isn't the death penalty against EU law? If it isn't, it bloody well should be.

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RE: The Death Penalty - 4/8/2011 12:20:35 PM

Chief

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I'm all for it.

The circumstances would have to be right but that would be for far more important people than me to iron out.

I read back the old thread and seen a lot of "this isn't justice, it's revenge" - why can't it be both?

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RE: The Death Penalty - 4/8/2011 12:31:23 PM

JIm R

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If not in use, then certainly prison sentances need to reflect the crime, if you are sentanced to spend a life sentance, then life meands life, none of this 3 years or 5 years larky, if you choose to take someone's life through murder or negligent driving whilst knowingly drunk etc. then expect to have your own life and perks taken away.

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RE: The Death Penalty - 4/8/2011 12:33:37 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Chief

I read back the old thread and seen a lot of "this isn't justice, it's revenge" - why can't it be both?

As I said in the locked thread, no one has the right to decide who should live and who should die. If we think we do, then we are no better than the criminals we would sentence to death. I think its disgusting actually, to think that this day and age, people think that in special circumstances, it is the right thing to do to kill another human being against their will.

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RE: The Death Penalty - 4/8/2011 12:37:00 PM

JIm R

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quote:

ORIGINAL: steffols

quote:

ORIGINAL: Chief

I read back the old thread and seen a lot of "this isn't justice, it's revenge" - why can't it be both?

As I said in the locked thread, no one has the right to decide who should live and who should die. If we think we do, then we are no better than the criminals we would sentence to death. I think its disgusting actually, to think that this day and age, people think that in special circumstances, it is the right thing to do to kill another human being against their will.

yes, I'm sure when someone has broken into your home, raped a female member of your family, sliced them open and left them for dead, they too will have such reasonable methodology in their consideration of guilt of their actions.

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RE: The Death Penalty - 4/8/2011 12:39:50 PM

Timon

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quote:

ORIGINAL: JIm R

quote:

ORIGINAL: steffols

quote:

ORIGINAL: Chief

I read back the old thread and seen a lot of "this isn't justice, it's revenge" - why can't it be both?

As I said in the locked thread, no one has the right to decide who should live and who should die. If we think we do, then we are no better than the criminals we would sentence to death. I think its disgusting actually, to think that this day and age, people think that in special circumstances, it is the right thing to do to kill another human being against their will.

yes, I'm sure when someone has broken into your home, raped a female member of your family, sliced them open and left them for dead, they too will have such reasonable methodology in their consideration of guilt of their actions.

That's why there's an impartial system. Of course I'd want to kill the person responsible. In the passion of grief, i'd also want to kill their family too... but that's not justice.

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RE: The Death Penalty - 4/8/2011 12:41:02 PM

steffols

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quote:

ORIGINAL: JIm R

quote:

ORIGINAL: steffols

quote:

ORIGINAL: Chief

I read back the old thread and seen a lot of "this isn't justice, it's revenge" - why can't it be both?

As I said in the locked thread, no one has the right to decide who should live and who should die. If we think we do, then we are no better than the criminals we would sentence to death. I think its disgusting actually, to think that this day and age, people think that in special circumstances, it is the right thing to do to kill another human being against their will.

yes, I'm sure when someone has broken into your home, raped a female member of your family, sliced them open and left them for dead, they too will have such reasonable methodology in their consideration of guilt of their actions.

I've read that part in bold several times now and I still don't know what you're trying to say.

I believe in the ability to forgive rather than the ability to kill someone. I believe that it makes me a better person then the hateful people. If someone did break into my house and do all those rather nasty things you said, I would unbelievably upset, but I would never want to see someone die to make me feel better.

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RE: The Death Penalty - 4/8/2011 12:41:07 PM

tommyjarvis

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quote:

ORIGINAL: JIm R

quote:

ORIGINAL: steffols

quote:

ORIGINAL: Chief

I read back the old thread and seen a lot of "this isn't justice, it's revenge" - why can't it be both?

As I said in the locked thread, no one has the right to decide who should live and who should die. If we think we do, then we are no better than the criminals we would sentence to death. I think its disgusting actually, to think that this day and age, people think that in special circumstances, it is the right thing to do to kill another human being against their will.

yes, I'm sure when someone has broken into your home, raped a female member of your family, sliced them open and left them for dead, they too will have such reasonable methodology in their consideration of guilt of their actions.

There's a reason why those who've been offended against don't get to decide the penalty of the criminals.

Having said that, the death penalty could have it's advantages. The planet's far too overpopulated these days.

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RE: The Death Penalty - 4/8/2011 12:42:55 PM

JIm R

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Timon

quote:

ORIGINAL: JIm R

quote:

ORIGINAL: steffols

quote:

ORIGINAL: Chief

I read back the old thread and seen a lot of "this isn't justice, it's revenge" - why can't it be both?

As I said in the locked thread, no one has the right to decide who should live and who should die. If we think we do, then we are no better than the criminals we would sentence to death. I think its disgusting actually, to think that this day and age, people think that in special circumstances, it is the right thing to do to kill another human being against their will.

yes, I'm sure when someone has broken into your home, raped a female member of your family, sliced them open and left them for dead, they too will have such reasonable methodology in their consideration of guilt of their actions.

That's why there's an impartial system. Of course I'd want to kill the person responsible. In the passion of grief, i'd also want to kill their family too... but that's not justice.

The 'syystem' does not work. As I said in earlier reply, sentances have to represent this 'justice' you speak of. Life has to mean life. You take someone's life, expect to have yours taken away from you for killing someone.

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RE: The Death Penalty - 4/8/2011 12:46:18 PM

rawlinson

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quote:

ORIGINAL: JIm R

quote:

ORIGINAL: Timon

quote:

ORIGINAL: JIm R

quote:

ORIGINAL: steffols

quote:

ORIGINAL: Chief

I read back the old thread and seen a lot of "this isn't justice, it's revenge" - why can't it be both?

As I said in the locked thread, no one has the right to decide who should live and who should die. If we think we do, then we are no better than the criminals we would sentence to death. I think its disgusting actually, to think that this day and age, people think that in special circumstances, it is the right thing to do to kill another human being against their will.

yes, I'm sure when someone has broken into your home, raped a female member of your family, sliced them open and left them for dead, they too will have such reasonable methodology in their consideration of guilt of their actions.

That's why there's an impartial system. Of course I'd want to kill the person responsible. In the passion of grief, i'd also want to kill their family too... but that's not justice.

The 'syystem' does not work. As I said in earlier reply, sentances have to represent this 'justice' you speak of. Life has to mean life. You take someone's life, expect to have yours taken away from you for killing someone.

If the system doesn't work, how can you be sure you'd be executing the guilty?

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RE: The Death Penalty - 4/8/2011 12:46:20 PM

clownfoot

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quote:

ORIGINAL: JIm R

If not in use, then certainly prison sentances need to reflect the crime, if you are sentanced to spend a life sentance, then life meands life, none of this 3 years or 5 years larky, if you choose to take someone's life through murder or negligent driving whilst knowingly drunk etc. then expect to have your own life and perks taken away.

What's your evidence for life not being life Jim?

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RE: The Death Penalty - 4/8/2011 12:46:30 PM

JIm R

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quote:

ORIGINAL: steffols

quote:

ORIGINAL: JIm R

quote:

ORIGINAL: steffols

quote:

ORIGINAL: Chief

I read back the old thread and seen a lot of "this isn't justice, it's revenge" - why can't it be both?

As I said in the locked thread, no one has the right to decide who should live and who should die. If we think we do, then we are no better than the criminals we would sentence to death. I think its disgusting actually, to think that this day and age, people think that in special circumstances, it is the right thing to do to kill another human being against their will.

yes, I'm sure when someone has broken into your home, raped a female member of your family, sliced them open and left them for dead, they too will have such reasonable methodology in their consideration of guilt of their actions.

I've read that part in bold several times now and I still don't know what you're trying to say.

I believe in the ability to forgive rather than the ability to kill someone. I believe that it makes me a better person then the hateful people. If someone did break into my house and do all those rather nasty things you said, I would unbelievably upset, but I would never want to see someone die to make me feel better.

I'm saying that clearly the offender has no remorse or notion of their actions being 'bad' otherwise they would not have done such a terrible thing and know the concept of good v evil action and two, I think it's a very strong person not to want to take immediate action on a personal level against the offender and leave it to 'justice' to dish out their punishment.

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RE: The Death Penalty - 4/8/2011 12:47:08 PM

Base

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quote:

ORIGINAL: tommyjarvis
Having said that, the death penalty could have it's advantages. The planet's far too overpopulated these days.

That's as stupid as the fox hunters argument that it keeps the population down, not nearly enough would be killed to make a dent in the population (and no, I'm not saying execute for lesser offences, I'm very much in the no executions camp!)

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RE: The Death Penalty - 4/8/2011 12:48:07 PM

superdan

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Can anyone present a convincing argument (that isn't simply 'revenge', which is hardly convincing) in favour of the death penalty? Because I've never read one.

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RE: The Death Penalty - 4/8/2011 12:49:47 PM

JIm R

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quote:

ORIGINAL: clownfoot

quote:

ORIGINAL: JIm R

If not in use, then certainly prison sentances need to reflect the crime, if you are sentanced to spend a life sentance, then life meands life, none of this 3 years or 5 years larky, if you choose to take someone's life through murder or negligent driving whilst knowingly drunk etc. then expect to have your own life and perks taken away.

What's your evidence for life not being life Jim?

Clowny, there are many cases where people are put away for life and it amounts to around 7 years.

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RE: The Death Penalty - 4/8/2011 12:53:32 PM

sharkboy

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Since the previous thread was closed while I was composing my reply, I'll add it here.

In the last 38 years, 130 people in the States have been released from Death Row because of new evidence that shows they were wrongfully convicted. How many more went to their deaths I wonder?

Even aside from the mistaken execution of an innocent (which has happened all too often and, lets face it, will happen again), the death penalty in the USA is deeply discriminatory in terms of racial or social background. Despite most murder victims being black or hispanic, the vast majority of executions have been for murders where the victim was white. The message seems to have been "kill a black or hispanic person, go to jail. Kill a white person, go to death row".

Add to this the fact that the biggest arguement in the pro-death camp ("its a deterrent") is simply untrue. States with the death penalty have a higher murder rate than those that do not.

And if this wasn't reason enough to totally reject any notion of reinstating the death penalty, do you really want to be in a club that includes sich dignitaries of human rights as China, Saudi Arabia, Libya, Nigeria etc?

quote:

The circumstances would have to be right but that would be for far more important people than me to iron out.

That's the crux of the matter really - far more important people than us have been ironing it out for decades and have still got it wrong on plenty of occasions. It's not fool-proof, it probably never can be, and for that reason it should never be permitted.

quote:

I read back the old thread and seen a lot of "this isn't justice, it's revenge" - why can't it be both?

It's not the state's place to administer revenge, that's why! And since when was it a noble thing to aspire to be vengeful? What does revenge achieve? Does it heal? Does it allow society to develop positively? Since '82, Texas has executed over 470 people, over half of them in the last 10 years and including minors and the mentally disabled. Plenty have gone to the chamber innocent. And for those who say it couldn't happen here, I've two words for you: Derek Bentley.

As MLK said, "Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars."

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RE: The Death Penalty - 4/8/2011 12:53:41 PM

clownfoot

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quote:

ORIGINAL: JIm R

quote:

ORIGINAL: clownfoot

quote:

ORIGINAL: JIm R

If not in use, then certainly prison sentances need to reflect the crime, if you are sentanced to spend a life sentance, then life meands life, none of this 3 years or 5 years larky, if you choose to take someone's life through murder or negligent driving whilst knowingly drunk etc. then expect to have your own life and perks taken away.

What's your evidence for life not being life Jim?

Clowny, there are many cases where people are put away for life and it amounts to around 7 years.

If there are many cases surely you can inform the rest of us of a good 10 or 20, particularly where the cases are in a similar vein to the crime of someone breaking into a home, raping a female member of the family, slicing them open and leaving them for dead?

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RE: The Death Penalty - 4/8/2011 1:00:02 PM

JIm R

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quote:

ORIGINAL: clownfoot

quote:

ORIGINAL: JIm R

quote:

ORIGINAL: clownfoot

quote:

ORIGINAL: JIm R

If not in use, then certainly prison sentances need to reflect the crime, if you are sentanced to spend a life sentance, then life meands life, none of this 3 years or 5 years larky, if you choose to take someone's life through murder or negligent driving whilst knowingly drunk etc. then expect to have your own life and perks taken away.

What's your evidence for life not being life Jim?

Clowny, there are many cases where people are put away for life and it amounts to around 7 years.

If there are many cases surely you can inform the rest of us of a good 10 or 20, particularly where the cases are in a similar vein to the crime of someone breaking into a home, raping a female member of the family, slicing them open and leaving them for dead?

Those actions were to illustrate the fact that it would be heard not to want to strike back against someone who had inflicted such heartache on a loved one and leave it to the legal system to deliver a verdict.

In terms of driving offences for example, very often people who kill other people by their actions on the road are given a wrap on the knuckes, license taken away for a few years and placed in prison for 2-3 years.

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RE: The Death Penalty - 4/8/2011 1:04:15 PM

sharkboy

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quote:

ORIGINAL: JIm R

Those actions were to illustrate the fact that it would be heard not to want to strike back against someone who had inflicted such heartache on a loved one and leave it to the legal system to deliver a verdict.

Of course it would. That's why you don't get the option.

quote:

In terms of driving offences for example, very often people who kill other people by their actions on the road are given a wrap on the knuckes, license taken away for a few years and placed in prison for 2-3 years.

Surely you're not advocating the death penalty for driving offences, are you?

Though I do agree that "death by dangerous driving" is a bit of a cop-out, and would much rather see it get the US classification of "vehicular manslaughter".

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RE: The Death Penalty - 4/8/2011 1:06:26 PM

steffols

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quote:

ORIGINAL: JIm R
]In terms of driving offences for example, very often people who kill other people by their actions on the road are given a wrap on the knuckes, license taken away for a few years and placed in prison for 2-3 years.

One moment of recklessness deserves death?

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RE: The Death Penalty - 4/8/2011 1:06:53 PM

JIm R

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quote:

ORIGINAL: sharkboy

quote:

ORIGINAL: JIm R

Those actions were to illustrate the fact that it would be heard not to want to strike back against someone who had inflicted such heartache on a loved one and leave it to the legal system to deliver a verdict.

Of course it would. That's why you don't get the option.

quote:

In terms of driving offences for example, very often people who kill other people by their actions on the road are given a wrap on the knuckes, license taken away for a few years and placed in prison for 2-3 years.

Surely you're not advocating the death penalty for driving offences, are you? Though I do agree that "death by dangerous driving" is a bit of a cop-out, and would much rather see it get the US classification of "vehicular manslaughter".

Not advocating death penalty in any circumstances, I am merely saying let the punishment fit the crime, if you kill someone in any circumstances, you go to prison for the rest of your life.

< Message edited by JIm R -- 4/8/2011 1:07:48 PM >

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RE: The Death Penalty - 4/8/2011 1:07:10 PM

rawlinson

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ORIGINAL: JIm R

quote:

ORIGINAL: clownfoot

quote:

ORIGINAL: JIm R

quote:

ORIGINAL: clownfoot

quote:

ORIGINAL: JIm R

If not in use, then certainly prison sentances need to reflect the crime, if you are sentanced to spend a life sentance, then life meands life, none of this 3 years or 5 years larky, if you choose to take someone's life through murder or negligent driving whilst knowingly drunk etc. then expect to have your own life and perks taken away.

What's your evidence for life not being life Jim?

Clowny, there are many cases where people are put away for life and it amounts to around 7 years.

If there are many cases surely you can inform the rest of us of a good 10 or 20, particularly where the cases are in a similar vein to the crime of someone breaking into a home, raping a female member of the family, slicing them open and leaving them for dead?

Those actions were to illustrate the fact that it would be heard not to want to strike back against someone who had inflicted such heartache on a loved one and leave it to the legal system to deliver a verdict.

Even if there was a death penalty it's still down to the legal system to deliver the verdict.

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RE: The Death Penalty - 4/8/2011 1:08:54 PM

JIm R

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RE: The Death Penalty - 4/8/2011 1:14:19 PM

sharkboy

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You kidding? Have you read the Future Films thread?

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RE: The Death Penalty - 4/8/2011 1:14:21 PM

Chief

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From: Banshee

quote:

ORIGINAL: steffols

quote:

ORIGINAL: Chief

I read back the old thread and seen a lot of "this isn't justice, it's revenge" - why can't it be both?

As I said in the locked thread, no one has the right to decide who should live and who should die. If we think we do, then we are no better than the criminals we would sentence to death. I think its disgusting actually, to think that this day and age, people think that in special circumstances, it is the right thing to do to kill another human being against their will.

Yet we have given people power to hand out concurrent life sentences that run into 100+ years, where the only outcome can be that the guilty party dies in jail?

If the purpose of prison is to punish and rehabilitate then what would be the point if you're never going to let them go?

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RE: The Death Penalty - 4/8/2011 1:15:31 PM

Super Hans

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I'm against the death penalty and am quite glad that we no longer have it in this country. I know that when I've seen films/TV shows where capital punishment has been a theme, I can't watch a scene of, for example hanging, without thinking what an awful and inhumane thing it was to do to someone, even if they have committed a heinous crime (or not, which is a very obvious main argument against it...).

I think sometimes I might come across as being in faour of it, since I'm unashamed to say, for example that Sadam Hussein got what was coming to him, but that's all in the context of that county's law and I was glad that he's faced their 'justice'. However, the fact that I'm appalled by the notion in Iran recently where it was proposed that a man was blinded as a form of justice makes me realise that I'm not at all in favour that kind of behaviour.

However, I'm proud that we don't do things that way in the UK anymore. When you get a particularly high profile murder case where the families of victims start up with the 'bring back hanging' line (it happens every couple of years I'd say), I always wish they'd shut the fuck up. When you look at the lists of countries who carry out the most executions, without wanting to sound xenophobic, it's not exactly surprising given their attitudes to human rights and I'm glad that my country isn't one of them, even if we do some slightly dubious things in our own right - for example, putting people in a position where they risk execution in other countries....

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RE: The Death Penalty - 4/8/2011 1:17:29 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: sharkboy

Since the previous thread was closed while I was composing my reply, I'll add it here.

In the last 38 years, 130 people in the States have been released from Death Row because of new evidence that shows they were wrongfully convicted.� How many more went to their deaths I wonder?�

Even aside from the mistaken execution of an innocent (which has happened all too often and, lets face it, will happen again), the death penalty in the USA is deeply discriminatory in terms of racial or social background.� Despite most murder victims being black or hispanic, the vast majority of executions have been for murders where the victim was white.� The message seems to have been "kill a black or hispanic person, go to jail.� Kill a white person, go to death row".

Add to this the fact that the biggest arguement in the pro-death camp ("its a deterrent") is simply untrue.� States with the death penalty have a higher murder rate than those that do not.

And if this wasn't reason enough to totally reject any notion of reinstating the death penalty, do you really want to be in a club that includes sich dignitaries of human rights as China, Saudi Arabia, Libya, Nigeria etc?

quote:

The circumstances would have to be right but that would be for far more important people than me to iron out.�

That's the crux of the matter really - far more important people than us have been ironing it out for decades and have still got it wrong on plenty of occasions.� It's not fool-proof, it probably never can be, and for that reason it should never be permitted.

quote:

I read back the old thread and seen a lot of "this isn't justice, it's revenge" - why can't it be both?

It's not the state's place to administer revenge, that's why!� And since when was it a noble thing to aspire to be vengeful?� What does revenge achieve?� Does it heal?� Does it allow society to develop positively?� Since�'82, Texas has executed over 470 people, over half of them in the last 10 years and including minors and the mentally disabled.�� Plenty have gone to the chamber innocent.� And for those who say it couldn't happen here, I've two words for you: Derek Bentley.

As MLK said, "Returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars."

Well said, sir.

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Post #: 87

RE: The Death Penalty - 4/8/2011 1:18:04 PM

JIm R

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Joined: 30/9/2005
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ORIGINAL: Chief

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ORIGINAL: steffols

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ORIGINAL: Chief

I read back the old thread and seen a lot of "this isn't justice, it's revenge" - why can't it be both?

As I said in the locked thread, no one has the right to decide who should live and who should die. If we think we do, then we are no better than the criminals we would sentence to death. I think its disgusting actually, to think that this day and age, people think that in special circumstances, it is the right thing to do to kill another human being against their will.

Yet we have given people power to hand out concurrent life sentences that run into 100+ years, where the only outcome can be that the guilty party dies in jail?

If the purpose of prison is to punish and rehabilitate then what would be the point if you're never going to let them go?

This is the problem, the view is that 'oh give them a second chance, rehabilitate them, let them do some woodwork in prison and it'll make them a better person'. No, fuck it, you killed someone, you stay in prison for the rest of your life you c*nt, Think about your actions over making a f*cking table lamp.

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Post #: 88

RE: The Death Penalty - 4/8/2011 1:21:04 PM

clownfoot

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ORIGINAL: Chief

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ORIGINAL: steffols

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ORIGINAL: Chief

I read back the old thread and seen a lot of "this isn't justice, it's revenge" - why can't it be both?

As I said in the locked thread, no one has the right to decide who should live and who should die. If we think we do, then we are no better than the criminals we would sentence to death. I think its disgusting actually, to think that this day and age, people think that in special circumstances, it is the right thing to do to kill another human being against their will.

Yet we have given people power to hand out concurrent life sentences that run into 100+ years, where the only outcome can be that the guilty party dies in jail?

If the purpose of prison is to punish and rehabilitate then what would be the point if you're never going to let them go?

I'm not really sure the purpose of prision in the instance of concurrent life sentences is to punish or rehabilitate.

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Post #: 89

RE: The Death Penalty - 4/8/2011 1:23:50 PM

Chief

Posts: 7140
Joined: 30/9/2005
From: Banshee

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ORIGINAL: clownfoot

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ORIGINAL: Chief

quote:

ORIGINAL: steffols

quote:

ORIGINAL: Chief

I read back the old thread and seen a lot of "this isn't justice, it's revenge" - why can't it be both?

As I said in the locked thread, no one has the right to decide who should live and who should die. If we think we do, then we are no better than the criminals we would sentence to death. I think its disgusting actually, to think that this day and age, people think that in special circumstances, it is the right thing to do to kill another human being against their will.

Yet we have given people power to hand out concurrent life sentences that run into 100+ years, where the only outcome can be that the guilty party dies in jail?

If the purpose of prison is to punish and rehabilitate then what would be the point if you're never going to let them go?

I'm not really sure the purpose of prision in the instance of concurrent life sentences is to punish or rehabilitate.