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All Quiet On The Western Front - 25/8/2006 3:41:18 PM   
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Best war film ever - 18/12/2006 9:42:27 PM   
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Its age does not matter. This is an anti war film thats showed in devastating effect. It shows that not all German are crazy people who want to conquer the world. The special effects are mindblowing concidering when the film was made.

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RE: Best war film ever - 15/4/2009 11:02:50 AM   
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I watched this again last night, this film will always be a classic and it's techniques and message are incredible but parts of this remain some of the funniest, stupidest cinema ever made. See Paul praying to God over Franz's body, bayonets stabbed under arms (surely this wasn't an actual technique in WWI?), no blood, people falling over for no apparent reason and speeded up armies that could almost be set to Benny Hill music and the incredible staring Frenchman who looks different in every camera shot. I'm afraid I've started to laugh at how dated this looks rather than admire it's intentions. That's a really sad thing to write.

Still powerful and taken in context wonderful, but I'm afraid it's awful edges are becoming more and more apparent.

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RE: Best war film ever - 15/4/2009 4:44:32 PM   
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See Paul praying to God over Franz's body

He desperately didn't want his friend to die, and he believed in God. Seems perfectly normal.

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bayonets stabbed under arms (surely this wasn't an actual technique in WWI?)

The boys perhaps didn't know how to do it properly, or were frenzied. It's not a mistake in the film.

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no blood

There was. (I admit it's hard to tell given the lack of colour)

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people falling over for no apparent reason

They just got shot (rofl). Unless there's a specific example you can provide me with that suggests otherwise.

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and speeded up armies that could almost be set to Benny Hill music

I like the speeded up battles. Makes it more frenzied and violent. Of course it may just have been a technological limitation, but it does end up helping the film IMO.

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the incredible staring Frenchman who looks different in every camera shot.

Well, that's... well... He looks ALMOST the same, so...

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I'm afraid I've started to laugh at how dated this looks rather than admire it's intentions. That's a really sad thing to write.

But you don't need to. All those things that you noticed are trifles. The overall impact cannot be overestimated, even by today's standards. Haunting.

About accusations of overracting (made by others). Sound was new and actors were still used to silent acting which means a lot of exaggerated movements, which, when transferred to sound, meant exaggerated delivery of dialogue. I don't see it as a problem because it's consistent throughout the film, and you get used to it after a short while, and by the time you come round to watch it again, you're already aware it's there, and you aren't really conscious of it like you were the first time.

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RE: Best war film ever - 15/4/2009 6:37:44 PM   
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They might be trifles but they subtract from the film, I get moved by this film, in places it builds emotions unfortunetl the next minute you have a dead Frenchman staring with a different facial expression every new shot. It just makes me roll around laughing, it really is funny. It doesn't matter if it's 1902 or 2009 that's bad direction and subtracts from the film.

That said there are lots of individual shots I could pick out that I love, I also love the funny ones but for all the wrong reasons.

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RE: Best war film ever - 15/4/2009 6:58:15 PM   
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They might be trifles but they subtract from the film, I get moved by this film, in places it builds emotions unfortunetl the next minute you have a dead Frenchman staring with a different facial expression every new shot. It just makes me roll around laughing, it really is funny. It doesn't matter if it's 1902 or 2009 that's bad direction and subtracts from the film.

That said there are lots of individual shots I could pick out that I love, I also love the funny ones but for all the wrong reasons.


But how was the actor to know exactly WHAT the facial expression was in the previous shot? I don't think they had dailies in 1930.

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RE: Best war film ever - 15/4/2009 11:18:57 PM   
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They might be trifles but they subtract from the film, I get moved by this film, in places it builds emotions unfortunetl the next minute you have a dead Frenchman staring with a different facial expression every new shot. It just makes me roll around laughing, it really is funny. It doesn't matter if it's 1902 or 2009 that's bad direction and subtracts from the film.

That said there are lots of individual shots I could pick out that I love, I also love the funny ones but for all the wrong reasons.


But how was the actor to know exactly WHAT the facial expression was in the previous shot? I don't think they had dailies in 1930.



This is getting pointless but it's a director's decision to include this scene, if it's shit because he can't do it properly without inventing dailies then he shouldn't include it.


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This is Brilliant - 7/9/2009 2:49:47 PM   
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Strange as it may sound the dated aspects of the film serve it still today. The exaggerated expressions on the students faces at the start is more pwerful than something modern cinema could produce. IT helps if you bear in mind that the movie is from 1930. Moving and what an ending.

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All Quiet Still Moving and Relevant 80 years later - 23/2/2012 10:29:43 PM   
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Still one of the most powerful anti-war films. Banned by the Nazis because of its power. Still shocks and moves.

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RE: All Quiet Still Moving and Relevant 80 years later - 18/9/2012 4:47:15 AM   
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All Quiet on the Western Front (1930)

Based on a novel and probably one of the most realistic war films I have ever see. WW1 is the setting for this unusual look at life for German troops at the front line. Unusual because its a 30's American film focusing on German soldiers and not the more obvious Allies of Britain, France and Russia.

Starting off much like 'Full Metal Jacket' the film covers a group/class of young German lads ready to join the ranks and fight for their country. From here on we follow them through harsh training and into battle where they very quickly realise the horrors of war, one by one they are killed off as the film becomes more and more tragic, and all this in a 1930's film!

The first thing that must hit you is the amazing look and work put into the film, its incredible!. The realism of the trenches, war torn nomansland, the uniforms for both sides and the brilliant special effects, mainly revolving around some pretty big explosions near actors, are all superbly created. By today's standards everything still looks good whilst the black and white only helps the film look more realistic. The film could easily be the 'Saving Private Ryan' of its day, its almost as good as real footage.

Of course the actors are of a different age so one can expect performances without the type of 'grit' that we are used to today. Some scenes are almost slightly pantomime with some slightly funny moments of comedy and slapstick which lighten the mood (mainly at the start before the characters enter the war) but we all know moments like this add to the charm of old films.

Make no mistake though this film is a history lesson and seeing as it was made about 12years after WW1 actually ended its amazing people watched, especially as it followed the Central Powers. Being so close to the war is obviously why its so accurate, the harrowing sequences of men being mown down by machine gun fire, one after another without a chance, the screams of the young troops as they go crazy from the constant shelling, the mud, barren landscapes, bodies, barbwire and of course the famous bleak depressing ending for the main lead, nailing home how cheap life was.

I think the main point in the film is how the main lead 'Paul Baumer' starts off, like his friends, as a patriot young German wanting to go off and fight for his country, pushed onwards and practically lied to by his school teacher 'Professor Kantorek' into 'doing whats right', to 'save the Fatherland'. 'Baumer' then returns to his home town towards the end of the film only to find his school teacher spouting the same nonsense to more young boys, trying to get them to recruit. He is invited in to speak of the glory of war but instead rages how its all lies and there is nothing but misery and death for all who join up. He is shunned by his old teacher and branded a coward by the young boys, so he returns to the front line. Not long after this the film ends with his pointless needless death.

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RE: All Quiet Still Moving and Relevant 80 years later - 18/9/2012 8:42:34 AM   
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A stunning film indeed, only saw it for the first time myself the other day, and it blew me away. A fine review there Phubbs!

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