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RE: The England Football Thread - 10/9/2013 1:48:34 PM   
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If we are going to finish top think we will have to do it on points now.

A draw wouldn't be a bad result tonight as its a tough place to go and we have many ifs and buts but a win would go a long way in seeing us though.

I like the idea of giving Milner a game over someone more youthful and green, think this is a night for Pros and players who are going to put hard work and good tactics over antics.

Wellbeck has done well for England and now missing him is a big blow, but if Rooney is fit then him and Lambert could form a good partnership with one playing off the other.

Agree that the defence is the main problem, but I like that he is trying to push Cahill, fact is Terry will not be around too much longer and is freakly more trouble than he is worth. Lescott still has a lot to offer to me but needs a proper run of games, and Richards has a lot of untapped talent which could be an ascent. It is in the back four and goalkeeper where we need the most work between now and next summer (should we go to Rio). The Terry/Rio partnership has served us well but it is time to move on.

Disagree with whoever said that Lampard looks on his last legs, for me the guy has been very consistent the last year and playing some of his best football in a long time. For me he looks better than Gerrard who does look like a guy winding down. Lampard is very much at the Ryan Giggs stage of his career, but still can make a great impact from the bench.

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RE: The England Football Thread - 10/9/2013 1:51:53 PM   
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If we are going to finish top think we will have to do it on points now.

A draw wouldn't be a bad result tonight as its a tough place to go and we have many ifs and buts but a win would go a long way in seeing us though.

I like the idea of giving Milner a game over someone more youthful and green, think this is a night for Pros and players who are going to put hard work and good tactics over antics.

Wellbeck has done well for England and now missing him is a big blow, but if Rooney is fit then him and Lambert could form a good partnership with one playing off the other.

Agree that the defence is the main problem, but I like that he is trying to push Cahill, fact is Terry will not be around too much longer and is freakly more trouble than he is worth. Lescott still has a lot to offer to me but needs a proper run of games, and Richards has a lot of untapped talent which could be an ascent. It is in the back four and goalkeeper where we need the most work between now and next summer (should we go to Rio). The Terry/Rio partnership has served us well but it is time to move on.

Disagree with whoever said that Lampard looks on his last legs, for me the guy has been very consistent the last year and playing some of his best football in a long time. For me he looks better than Gerrard who does look like a guy winding down. Lampard is very much at the Ryan Giggs stage of his career, but still can make a great impact from the bench.


You're probably right, seeing as how he retired from international football months ago.


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RE: The England Football Thread - 10/9/2013 1:57:30 PM   
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quote:

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If we are going to finish top think we will have to do it on points now.

A draw wouldn't be a bad result tonight as its a tough place to go and we have many ifs and buts but a win would go a long way in seeing us though.

I like the idea of giving Milner a game over someone more youthful and green, think this is a night for Pros and players who are going to put hard work and good tactics over antics.

Wellbeck has done well for England and now missing him is a big blow, but if Rooney is fit then him and Lambert could form a good partnership with one playing off the other.

Agree that the defence is the main problem, but I like that he is trying to push Cahill, fact is Terry will not be around too much longer and is freakly more trouble than he is worth. Lescott still has a lot to offer to me but needs a proper run of games, and Richards has a lot of untapped talent which could be an ascent. It is in the back four and goalkeeper where we need the most work between now and next summer (should we go to Rio). The Terry/Rio partnership has served us well but it is time to move on.

Disagree with whoever said that Lampard looks on his last legs, for me the guy has been very consistent the last year and playing some of his best football in a long time. For me he looks better than Gerrard who does look like a guy winding down. Lampard is very much at the Ryan Giggs stage of his career, but still can make a great impact from the bench.


You're probably right, seeing as how he retired from international football months ago.



Oh yeah forgot, but to fair that cry baby does so many U-Turns and I wouldn't be surprised if he does another one between now and Rio.

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RE: The England Football Thread - 10/9/2013 3:05:21 PM   
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Wellbeck has done well for England and now missing him is a big blow


Do you think it was a mistake playing him against Macedonia? The booking was very soft, but given how few options England have up front it appears in hindsight at least that keeping the best options fit for the Ukraine game would have been a wise option.

I don't have a problem with Milner starting. We know that internationals are tricky, and that can be especially true when you have to go to a hostile far away spot. So Milner gives cover down the flanks and will do his defensive duties. As noted above, a draw is not a disaster. Indeed, the impetus is more on the Ukranians to get a win than England. So I think it is better to go out trying to contain the Ukraine and looking for the breaks and happy with a 1-0 or even 0-0 than starting Townsend, Sterling or other more attacking minded players as I just don't think we have the ability to score 3 or 4 against them.


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RE: The England Football Thread - 10/9/2013 3:23:52 PM   
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I think I'd be tempted to go quite offensive certainly outwide.

(4-2-3-1)

Walker -------Cahill-------Jags--------Cole
----------Gerrard-----------Wilshere----------
Walcott----------Lampard---------Young/Townsend
---------------------Lambert------------------------

Let them come at us and have something to really worry them on the break.

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RE: The England Football Thread - 10/9/2013 4:39:25 PM   
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Wellbeck has done well for England and now missing him is a big blow


Says a lot about where England are now.

Would Welbeck get into the squad for any other top international team (never mind first team)?














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RE: The England Football Thread - 10/9/2013 4:42:30 PM   
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Wellbeck has done well for England and now missing him is a big blow


Says a lot about where England are now.

Would Welbeck get into the squad for any other top international team (never mind first team)?



Go on then I'll bite, clarify top international side?

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RE: The England Football Thread - 10/9/2013 4:51:13 PM   
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Wellbeck has done well for England and now missing him is a big blow


Says a lot about where England are now.

Would Welbeck get into the squad for any other top international team (never mind first team)?



Go on then I'll bite, clarify top international side?


Top eight? Top sixteen?

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RE: The England Football Thread - 10/9/2013 5:07:06 PM   
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Wellbeck has done well for England and now missing him is a big blow


Says a lot about where England are now.

Would Welbeck get into the squad for any other top international team (never mind first team)?



Go on then I'll bite, clarify top international side?


Top eight? Top sixteen?


I think he'd clearly make the Columbia and Croatia squad and they're top 8.

Greece, Bosnia-Herzegovina, England, Switerland and Russia would also fairly obviously include him in my opinion.

I think you could argue a case for a couple of others too.

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RE: The England Football Thread - 10/9/2013 6:03:42 PM   
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I think you're overrating his abilities.

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RE: The England Football Thread - 10/9/2013 6:32:56 PM   
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It's a bit of an overestimation to say that he'd 'clearly' get into the Colombia team - even beyond Falcao, Martinez and Uriel are a lot better than Welbeck as well (especially when you consider the latter is the same age as Welbeck). As for Croatia, I'd have Mandzukic or Jelavic ahead of him, and Rebic who's just joined Fiorentina looks like a good prospect. And Ivica Olic is still plugging away (I saw him score a bicycle kick last season, it was kind of surreal).

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RE: The England Football Thread - 10/9/2013 7:28:13 PM   
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I think you're overrating his abilities.


I think a lot of people underestimate his abilities. He's a long way from the finished product, but the main thing he needs to add to his game are goals and so far this season he's been doing ok in that regard, weighing in with some lovely goals already for both club and country. He's still a bit inconsistent but his touch and movement are good and he works hard for the team as well.

I'd not pick him ahead of Falcao (obvs), Martinez or Mandzukic, but the others I'm not so sure.

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RE: The England Football Thread - 10/9/2013 7:42:42 PM   
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It's a bit of an overestimation to say that he'd 'clearly' get into the Colombia team - even beyond Falcao, Martinez and Uriel are a lot better than Welbeck as well (especially when you consider the latter is the same age as Welbeck). As for Croatia, I'd have Mandzukic or Jelavic ahead of him, and Rebic who's just joined Fiorentina looks like a good prospect. And Ivica Olic is still plugging away (I saw him score a bicycle kick last season, it was kind of surreal).

I didn't say that he'd clearly get in the Columbia team, the stipulation is squad.
Is Gutiérrez and Bacca far superior?
For Croatia you'd take Eudardo in his current state over him? What about Petric, and Benko?

No one is claiming he's a world beater but you'd pick all the above over a forward currently starting for Manchester United and scoring regularly so far in the Premiership and Internationally.



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RE: The England Football Thread - 10/9/2013 7:47:16 PM   
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That should be a pen.

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RE: The England Football Thread - 10/9/2013 7:58:30 PM   
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England Expects... shambolic defending. And we have men doing their duty.

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RE: The England Football Thread - 10/9/2013 7:58:32 PM   
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1. What the hell has happened to Joe Hart?

2. Kyle Walker is not as good as Glen Johnson.

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RE: The England Football Thread - 10/9/2013 7:59:39 PM   
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I'm possibly biased, but why doesn't Carl Jenkinson get considered for the national team? On recent form (ie the last ten months) he's a lot better than Kyle Walker at least.

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RE: The England Football Thread - 10/9/2013 8:00:57 PM   
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I'm possibly biased, but why doesn't Carl Jenkinson get considered for the national team? On recent form (ie the last ten months) he's a lot better than Kyle Walker at least.


I had that argument with someone recently. The best that they could come up with was that Jenkinson isn't the first choice RB for Arsenal.

Ukraine are closing down excellently. They've obviously discovered the secret* weakness of England in that they don't like being put under pressure on the ball.

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RE: The England Football Thread - 10/9/2013 8:04:09 PM   
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Dude, I forgot Jenkinson existed to be honest. Must be Roy's problem too.

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RE: The England Football Thread - 10/9/2013 8:08:40 PM   
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Dude, I forgot Jenkinson existed to be honest. Must be Roy's problem too.


You know, I've never seen you and Roy Hodgson post on here at the same time... put the iPad away, Roy.

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RE: The England Football Thread - 10/9/2013 8:12:02 PM   
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This has been the fastest 26 minutes of terrible football I've ever seen.

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RE: The England Football Thread - 10/9/2013 8:19:37 PM   
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What has happened to Wilshere's passing? Is he still carrying injury-rust?

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RE: The England Football Thread - 10/9/2013 8:32:42 PM   
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Well that was a rank 45 minutes of football. The only consolation was that Ukraine appear to be at least as bad as England.

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RE: The England Football Thread - 10/9/2013 9:30:53 PM   
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When was the last time you remember watching an enjoyable England game?

A mate suggested the 5-1 at Croatia back in 2009. I can't honestly remember anything since then. International football is dross. Roll on Saturday.

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RE: The England Football Thread - 10/9/2013 9:33:32 PM   
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When was the last time you remember watching an enjoyable England game?

A mate suggested the 5-1 at Croatia back in 2009. I can't honestly remember anything since then. International football is dross. Roll on Saturday.


England v Sweden in the Euros was a hugely enjoyable game I thought. It wasn't the pristine tiki-taka we all apparently demand from football these days, but it was a bloody entertaining watch.

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RE: The England Football Thread - 10/9/2013 9:35:55 PM   
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When was the last time you remember watching an enjoyable England game?

A mate suggested the 5-1 at Croatia back in 2009. I can't honestly remember anything since then. International football is dross. Roll on Saturday.


Germany 4-1 England.

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RE: The England Football Thread - 10/9/2013 9:38:30 PM   
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When was the last time you remember watching an enjoyable England game?

A mate suggested the 5-1 at Croatia back in 2009. I can't honestly remember anything since then. International football is dross. Roll on Saturday.


Germany 4-1 England.


Good to see 'Angry Man' Robbie Keane's call to arms has served your boys well tonight...

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RE: The England Football Thread - 10/9/2013 9:43:40 PM   
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Good result, clearly went for a draw, didn't look like we got going at all.

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When was the last time you remember watching an enjoyable England game?

A mate suggested the 5-1 at Croatia back in 2009. I can't honestly remember anything since then. International football is dross. Roll on Saturday.


I enjoyed the England v Brazil match at Wembley earlier this year, we pressed the ball, passed the ball, didn't play like Ireland and we won. Fun times!

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RE: The England Football Thread - 10/9/2013 9:45:26 PM   
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I wouldn't be sad if we missed out on the WC on our current performances. I'm sure I can live with not having to watch 4 dour games down the pub with mates. The most fun I've had watching tournaments was last year when England wasn't playing.

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RE: The England Football Thread - 10/9/2013 9:52:50 PM   
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I wouldn't be sad if we missed out on the WC on our current performances. I'm sure I can live with not having to watch 4 dour games down the pub with mates. The most fun I've had watching tournaments was last year when England wasn't playing.


I would. I know that if England make it we'll be shit because we always are, but England being at the WC is like going to a wedding of someone you know well - they're still kind of lame but you're happy for them, and they're much more interesting than if you're going to one of your missus' workmates that she has dragged you to when you only know a couple of people.

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