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RE: Terry retires from England - 6/2/2013 10:31:17 PM   
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It was my second trip to Wembley in the space of a week as I'd been there to see Tony Dorigo win Chelsea the Zenith Data Systems cup with a glorious free kick!


I had to google this.

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RE: Terry retires from England - 7/2/2013 9:27:08 AM   
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Nothing says atmosphere more than a Mexican wave


don't forget The Official England Band playing Rule Britannia followed by Seven Nation Army followed by Rule Britannia followed by Seven Nation Army.

And not to forget The Great Escape...makes you proud to be English!


Fucking Wednesdayites!

And it seems we are finally starting to look at a formation which works. Who'd have thought it that 4-4-2 wasn't going to suit the players we were producing If only someone had seen it 10 years ago we might have actually performed more than a handful of times


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RE: Terry retires from England - 7/2/2013 11:13:34 AM   
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Well,Wilshere is heading for a downward spiral as certain pundits and members of the press have labelled him the "next Gazza".
Already I feel sorry for the lad.The press have found their new Nations hope.

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RE: Terry retires from England - 7/2/2013 12:13:09 PM   
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Nothing says atmosphere more than a Mexican wave


don't forget The Official England Band playing Rule Britannia followed by Seven Nation Army followed by Rule Britannia followed by Seven Nation Army.

And not to forget The Great Escape...makes you proud to be English!


Fucking Wednesdayites!

And it seems we are finally starting to look at a formation which works. Who'd have thought it that 4-4-2 wasn't going to suit the players we were producing If only someone had seen it 10 years ago we might have actually performed more than a handful of times


I wouldn't be surprised if we end up going in to the tournament with some form of 4-4-2 though as we'll bottle it!

The formation last night is the one that pretty much all the squad play in...and it's the one, if need be, that Lampard and Gerrard CAN play in together. But I don't see them starting any games together between now and Brazil.

There's options with Rooney playing deeper or as the front point like last night...Sturridge, Walcott, Lennon, Welbeck can all inter-change. The biggest issue is centre back. Smalling looked good, Cahill not so good in parts. Lescott and Jagielka are the only other two seniors really, then there's Caulker. Hopefully he'll kick on from now.

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RE: Terry retires from England - 7/2/2013 12:32:33 PM   
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Yes. Lots of positives to take from last night WE'RE GONNA WIN THE WORLD CUP

ooops sorry, bit carried away there.

One of the biggest ones for me. Although it was only a friendly and there was the odd mistake, England actually played with confidence at Wembley. Which is something they have been lacking a lot lately.

As an earlier post said, Brazil could really be in trouble at their WC.

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RE: Terry retires from England - 14/3/2013 9:16:22 PM   
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So yeah, the England squad was announced today, shocked to see Roy planning for the future by calling up the untried and untested Rio Ferdinand. Not saying he shouldn't be called up, but yeah, footballing reasons...

But, Scott Parker still in the squad, I'm sorry but given our inability to keep the ball for prolonged periods, entrusting our midfield to someone who specialises in poor control and giving the ball away is mind boggling, assuming he will start and he probably will.

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RE: Terry retires from England - 18/3/2013 6:49:17 PM   
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You have go to be kidding me!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21833182

So he can't play every game then United fans insisting Roy Hodgson had made the biggest mistake in English football history? All the moaning and whining about it, he finally got his nod last week and he's dropped out already.

That's it as far as I'm concerned, Steven Caulkner is a very promising young player anyway and I thought we were supposed to be "building for the future." Funny how that sentiment always goes out the window when there's a big-club player involved though.

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RE: Terry retires from England - 18/3/2013 6:57:24 PM   
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You have go to be kidding me!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21833182

So he can't play every game then United fans insisting Roy Hodgson had made the biggest mistake in English football history? All the moaning and whining about it, he finally got his nod last week and he's dropped out already.

That's it as far as I'm concerned, Steven Caulkner is a very promising young player anyway and I thought we were supposed to be "building for the future." Funny how that sentiment always goes out the window when there's a big-club player involved though.


Thing is, he never moaned about it, he just got on with playing.

Putting myself in his shoes, I'd have told them where to go as well, he got left out of last summer's squad due to "football reasons" yet the guy who racially abused his brother gets to go, hell he doesn't even get to be a stand by, this after he was supposed to be captain 2 years earlier at the world cup, now he's expected to re-join up, no hard feelings? Nah, couldn't do it.

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RE: Terry retires from England - 18/3/2013 7:03:16 PM   
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You have go to be kidding me!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21833182

So he can't play every game then United fans insisting Roy Hodgson had made the biggest mistake in English football history? All the moaning and whining about it, he finally got his nod last week and he's dropped out already.

That's it as far as I'm concerned, Steven Caulkner is a very promising young player anyway and I thought we were supposed to be "building for the future." Funny how that sentiment always goes out the window when there's a big-club player involved though.


Thing is, he never moaned about it, he just got on with playing.

Putting myself in his shoes, I'd have told them where to go as well, he got left out of last summer's squad due to "football reasons" yet the guy who racially abused his brother gets to go, hell he doesn't even get to be a stand by, this after he was supposed to be captain 2 years earlier at the world cup, now he's expected to re-join up, no hard feelings? Nah, couldn't do it.


To be fair, his form at the time wasn't stellar and his own manager had raised serious doubts about his ability to play 3 games so close to each other so I wouldn't have taken him if I were in Roy's position. I wouldn't have taken EBJT either, but that's by the by.

As it is, he hasn't ruled himself out for future fixtures so I don't think it's anything personal (although with Rio you never really know) but it's a bit frustrating that we still seem to rely on the last remnants of the 'golden generation' so much.

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RE: Terry retires from England - 18/3/2013 7:59:08 PM   
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You have go to be kidding me!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21833182

So he can't play every game then United fans insisting Roy Hodgson had made the biggest mistake in English football history? All the moaning and whining about it, he finally got his nod last week and he's dropped out already.

That's it as far as I'm concerned, Steven Caulkner is a very promising young player anyway and I thought we were supposed to be "building for the future." Funny how that sentiment always goes out the window when there's a big-club player involved though.


Thing is, he never moaned about it, he just got on with playing.

Putting myself in his shoes, I'd have told them where to go as well, he got left out of last summer's squad due to "football reasons" yet the guy who racially abused his brother gets to go, hell he doesn't even get to be a stand by, this after he was supposed to be captain 2 years earlier at the world cup, now he's expected to re-join up, no hard feelings? Nah, couldn't do it.


He's had plenty of digs at Hodgson along the way and it doesn't always have come out of your mouth for it come from your direction if you know what I'm saying.

I don't know why this has to always become a Terry v Ferdinand debate, if I was up to me I'd take neither, they're both not the players they used to be, they've both been nuisances off the field with their inability to differentiate between their mouths and their backsides and like I say, we are supposed to be building for the future here and a 34 year-old and 32 year-old who have both had recent injury problems and can no longer handle the stretch a major tournament would bring, I am happy to see them both step aside. I'd like to see England move on from these kind of petty squabbles, select players on merit and with a view to what they are capable of and move on from this whole bloody saga otherwise the next World Cup will go exactly the way the last one did!

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RE: Terry retires from England - 18/3/2013 11:01:27 PM   
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You have go to be kidding me!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21833182

So he can't play every game then United fans insisting Roy Hodgson had made the biggest mistake in English football history? All the moaning and whining about it, he finally got his nod last week and he's dropped out already.

That's it as far as I'm concerned, Steven Caulkner is a very promising young player anyway and I thought we were supposed to be "building for the future." Funny how that sentiment always goes out the window when there's a big-club player involved though.


Thing is, he never moaned about it, he just got on with playing.

Putting myself in his shoes, I'd have told them where to go as well, he got left out of last summer's squad due to "football reasons" yet the guy who racially abused his brother gets to go, hell he doesn't even get to be a stand by, this after he was supposed to be captain 2 years earlier at the world cup, now he's expected to re-join up, no hard feelings? Nah, couldn't do it.


He's had plenty of digs at Hodgson along the way and it doesn't always have come out of your mouth for it come from your direction if you know what I'm saying.


No idea what you're talking about here, any chance you could elaborate? What digs has he made about Woy?

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I don't know why this has to always become a Terry v Ferdinand debate, if I was up to me I'd take neither, they're both not the players they used to be, they've both been nuisances off the field with their inability to differentiate between their mouths and their backsides and like I say, we are supposed to be building for the future here and a 34 year-old and 32 year-old who have both had recent injury problems and can no longer handle the stretch a major tournament would bring, I am happy to see them both step aside. I'd like to see England move on from these kind of petty squabbles, select players on merit and with a view to what they are capable of and move on from this whole bloody saga otherwise the next World Cup will go exactly the way the last one did!


I agree about the age thing, but you also go on to say the players should be selected on merit, he's been solid recently and against opposition such as Real Madrid, is that not merit enough? Age can't play a part in merit, surely playing well is playing well.

I think what you're also forgetting is that these are two must win games for England, particularly the second one. If they aren't won then these youngsters we all want to see at the World Cup won't just miss out because of the oldies, they'll miss out because England won't be competing.




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RE: Terry retires from England - 18/3/2013 11:21:17 PM   
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No idea what you're talking about here, any chance you could elaborate? What digs has he made about Woy?


Ferdinand was openly critical of Hodgson after Euro 2012 for his "conservative approach" and questioned certain squad selections and tactics, followed up by the melodrama we've seen since Ferdinand hasn't been selected, which I'm not buying hasn't been, to a degree, perpetrated by people within Ferdinand's camp.

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I agree about the age thing, but you also go on to say the players should be selected on merit, he's been solid recently and against opposition such as Real Madrid, is that not merit enough? Age can't play a part in merit, surely playing well is playing well.

I think what you're also forgetting is that these are two must win games for England, particularly the second one. If they aren't won then these youngsters we all want to see at the World Cup won't just miss out because of the oldies, they'll miss out because England won't be competing.


Yes he has played well but he also has the benefit of being in a large squad for this league which is very well rotated by Sir Alex Ferguson, we need players who in a tournament situation can go through games playing at the highest level in a very short window of time, that does not suit Ferdinand's current situation and given he's just dropped out of an England game on the back of 3 games in 14 days for Man United I think that goes some way to proving that point.

You have a fair point there about those two games and I can't really argue with it but this is the point we always reach isn't it? When are we actually going to start doing it because I've been hearing this since Eriksson was in charge and little has changed. It's not like we've selected a near-U21 side for these two qualifiers and I'd like to think we have the depth to get through, mind you if we don't, then we don't. It would say a lot about where we are I think, which personally, is not a lot further than it was when we had these discussions almost six years ago.

EDIT: Can we drop the 'Woy' thing too? We're not The Sun newspaper last time I checked.

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RE: The England Football Thread - 19/3/2013 6:52:09 AM   
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Surely we have to believe Cahill and Smalling are capable of getting the Job done against the San Marino and Montenegro forwards, they are premiership footballers who play for 2 of the best teams in the country, its not like they are playin Spain or Germany here !

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RE: The England Football Thread - 19/3/2013 1:02:21 PM   
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Its like watching the Hokey-Cokey isn't it, he's in, he's out, Fergie shakes him all about.

And that is my thinking behind this that Ferguson has sat Blofeld-like behind his desk, stroking a new contract and asking Rio if he really really feels like he can be fit to play for both Utd and England.

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RE: The England Football Thread - 19/3/2013 2:46:26 PM   
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Surely we have to believe Cahill and Smalling are capable of getting the Job done against the San Marino and Montenegro forwards, they are premiership footballers who play for 2 of the best teams in the country, its not like they are playin Spain or Germany here !


Stevan Jovetic will probably make Cahill and Smalling look like fools but yeah, they should be able to handle Montenegro, although with England you never know! The absence of Jack Wilshire is the biggest problem, I can't see the midfield performing like it did against Brazil. Something will go wrong, it always does.

As for Ferdinand? He's been the best English defender in the league this season but if he doesn't feel his back can cope with the games then fair enough. He's been out of the squad long enough that it won't make a difference if he's not playing. Give the other players a chance to step up.

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RE: The England Football Thread - 22/3/2013 9:28:31 PM   
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Defoe starts over Sturridge and Welbeck? WTF?

Lets give a good chance to get some goals to someone who's consistently shown us he isn't good enough rather than a 22 year old whos could be half decent.
I'd rather Owen have played if we were giving out sympathy throw downs.


Natural goalscorer bagged his 2nd which he can add to his international competitive goals against Moldova, Andorra (4), and Kazakhstan.


WANK, I wanted 10 and we'll not get a better chance.

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RE: The England Football Thread - 22/3/2013 9:49:05 PM   
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San Marino 0 England 8

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RE: The England Football Thread - 22/3/2013 9:50:01 PM   
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San Marino 0 England 8

As they say "There's no easy games in international football"


As posted elsewhere, apart from San Marino, Luxembourg and Scotland.

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RE: The England Football Thread - 28/3/2013 11:36:15 AM   
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Well after another poor England display we can now wait in genuine anticipation for the next bout of Internationals. With that being said are there any players yet to earn a cap or were ignored this time that people would like to see in the squad ? Heard a few grumblings about Zaha not getting another call up, personally I would like to see Mark Noble finally getting the call, the lad for me should be in there above Parker, as tenacious, better on the ball and can take a decent penalty as well. Any thoughts ?

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RE: The England Football Thread - 30/3/2013 9:41:20 AM   
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Well after another poor England display we can now wait in genuine anticipation for the next bout of Internationals. With that being said are there any players yet to earn a cap or were ignored this time that people would like to see in the squad ? Heard a few grumblings about Zaha not getting another call up, personally I would like to see Mark Noble finally getting the call, the lad for me should be in there above Parker, as tenacious, better on the ball and can take a decent penalty as well. Any thoughts ?


Zaha will start getting picked regularly when he's warming the bench for Utd, rather than doing the business for Palace (because the Championship is such an amateur league it's simply impossible to countenance selecting someone who plies their trade in it). I'd be inclined to agree about Noble over Parker, but I'd have Osman over Noble.

On another note, I've found myself somewhat bemused by the racism storm surrounding the San Marino game (where England fans are alleged to have racially abused the Ferdinand brothers). I didn't hear it on telly, but having read the chants in the press I'm genuinely struggling to see it as racism. Unpleasant, yes. Unnecessary? Sure. But racist? Not as far as I can see.

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RE: The England Football Thread - 30/3/2013 10:31:12 AM   
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I think the chant issue is more geared towards why the fact that Anton was also mentioned.Because ,other than the fact he's Rio's brother, what has he done to England fans to be placed in the same song/category?

"Build a bonfire, build a bonfire put Rio on the top, put Anton in the middle and we'll burn the f*cking lot."

I dont think its racism,I just think its dumb and vulgar,but when did that stop football fans.

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RE: The England Football Thread - 30/3/2013 12:14:32 PM   
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If Palace go up I think it would be good for Zaha to stay on loan and have a season of regular football in the premiership. It would be beneficial for Zaha, Palace and in the long run it would definitely benefit Utd. Doubt it would happen though.

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RE: The England Football Thread - 15/5/2013 9:45:09 AM   
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Just thought I'd let you all know that I've retired from international football.

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RE: The England Football Thread - 15/5/2013 12:38:28 PM   
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Thank fuck that tiresome Rio saga can be put to rest at last. I'm sick of the same old arguments about him raising their head every time it comes to an England squad being announced.

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RE: The England Football Thread - 20/5/2013 1:31:40 PM   
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So we've had a Finland kit, then a Poland one. Now we've gone for Germany:


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RE: The England Football Thread - 20/5/2013 1:41:35 PM   
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I find a certain amount of irony in Hodgson criticizing PL teams playing post-season friendly games, getting in the way of his post-season friendly games.

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RE: The England Football Thread - 28/5/2013 4:40:44 PM   
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You have to hand it to the FA, they are quite a set of jokers. In helping prepare the team for probably not playing at the WC anyway, they've managed to choose two ends of the spectra for anyone who is fit, hasn't retired and feels like a knock-about cos they are missing the football already.

Tomorrow is Trap's Ireland, a team that makes the long ball game look like tiki-taka. Where most of the interest seems to be what extra words are added on in the National Anthem.

Then its off to Brazil, presumably as an incentive that our lads like it and decide to actually qualify for the WC.

During one of these games Ashley Cole will not be given the captaincy cos he can't really give a damn about it and doesn't want to endure hours of questionning about how mean he is to the nation's sweetheart Cheryl at a press conference.

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RE: The England Football Thread - 28/5/2013 4:48:19 PM   
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If only this game was played ten years ago, I would have been confident of us tearing England to part.

Sadly now all I can see is a handsome England victory.

Although now that England are involved I will finally be able to view an Irish international friendly on terrestrial TV. Thanks lads.

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RE: The England Football Thread - 28/5/2013 4:54:28 PM   
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Sadly now all I can see is a handsome England victory.



Rooney putting himself in the shop window. That's all I'm going to say

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RE: The England Football Thread - 28/5/2013 6:17:47 PM   
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Sadly now all I can see is a handsome England victory.



Rooney putting himself in the shop window. That's all I'm going to say


Hopefully the atmosphere generated by the Irish fans, something he'll wouldn't have encountered at Old Trafford or Wembley before, will be too much for him.

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