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RE: Beckham Dropped. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. - 12/8/2006 7:53:42 PM   
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McLaren is Graham Taylor mark II.

He wants to distance himself from Sven and prove he is his own man, and also win support from many English fans who are probably thinking "This guy is an idiot".

So how does he do this?

He drops David Beckham.

Now I have said on many occassions that England have 3 world class players: Owen (if he's not falling over), Gerrard (superb player) and Mr Becks.

Yes no Rooney, as I believe he hasn't really done anything yet to earn the tag world class.

Beckham WAS England in the 2002 campaign. And to be fair to him, he was one of the few who did okay in this summer's tournament.

He is still only 31 and could well play to the next world cup, where his deadball skills surely merit a place in any side.

You don't play for Real Madrid for nothing.

Becks may be many things, but he has always been a top, top footballer and actually a refreshing role model for kids.

McLaren must be barking. (And to think idiots used to think he was the reason for United winning the European Cup! LMFAO!)

The reason for that was a red nosed Govanite. 

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RE: Beckham Dropped. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. - 13/8/2006 12:58:31 AM   
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McLaren is Graham Taylor mark II.

He wants to distance himself from Sven and prove he is his own man, and also win support from many English fans who are probably thinking "This guy is an idiot".

So how does he do this?

He drops David Beckham.


Yes, I'm sure the sole reason for dropping Beckham was that he wants to distance himself from Sven, not because he thinks it's tactically one of the best moves he can make to improve the team. At least give the guy a chance before you judge him eh?

And if your predictions are anything to go off, McClaren must be on to a winner.

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Now I have said on many occassions that England have 3 world class players: Owen (if he's not falling over), Gerrard (superb player) and Mr Becks.

Yes no Rooney, as I believe he hasn't really done anything yet to earn the tag world class.


What has Gerrard done on the world stage to prove he's world class? He's barely been a huge success with England yet (I'm not denying he is world class, just disputing your reasonings for deciding who is world class). Rooney has proved he's got the ability, in the premiership and on the international stage, he was the driving force for England in 2004.

I'd say there are plenty of other world class players in the team, I'd go as far as to say our back four are all world class. Gary Neville, Ashley Cole, Rio Ferdinand and John Terry have all shown their worth and shown they can compete against the worlds best, even if they do have their odd weaknesses.

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Beckham WAS England in the 2002 campaign. And to be fair to him, he was one of the few who did okay in this summer's tournament.


He did well, but I seem to remember it being Rio Ferdinand who was England's player of the tournament, as I seem to remember quite an uproar when Campbell was chosen for the World Cip all star team, while Rio was omitted.

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He is still only 31 and could well play to the next world cup, where his deadball skills surely merit a place in any side.


His deadball skills are indeed 2nd to none, but is that enough to really merit a place in a squad/team? Let's use up one of out 11 players on the field so that if we have 20 freekicks one might just go in?

McClaren has made a good decision, I for one do believe Beckham is/was a great player, but there are players who deserve his place in the team as much as he does, they may well be unproven, but they'll never get a chance to prove themselves if Beckham plays for another 4 or so years, then these players waiting in line will then have more youngsters snapping at their ankles. Seems like a waste of talent.

Clearly the way England have been playing under the regime of Sven hasn't been working, and McClaren has decided to take the team in a new direction to resolve this problem. And if he feels he needs to drop Beckham in order to do this then so be it, let's not judge him until we've seen the end result. If it blows up in his face then he can always bring Beckham back in, if it does work then he's made his first courageous step as the new England manager, and has done something Sven couldn't do.

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You don't play for Real Madrid for nothing.


You're right, he plays because his name sells shirts. He is a good player and deserves to play for Real 'We havn't won anything since 02/03' Madrid. But he'd be there if he was good or not, because at the time he was bought, they still had their galacticos policy, and that transfer was just as much about shirt sales and profits as it was about the mans footballing ability.

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Becks may be many things, but he has always been a top, top footballer and actually a refreshing role model for kids.


So for that reason alone wouldn't it be best that he was left out now while he can still be remembered as a great player instead of one that fizzled out into a player who isn't half as good as his former self and was kidding himself that he could carry on for years to come?

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McLaren must be barking. (And to think idiots used to think he was the reason for United winning the European Cup! LMFAO!)

The reason for that was a red nosed Govanite. 


I don't think anyone doubted it was Ferguson and the players that won the treble, Mclaren just put in as much as an asst. manager could have done.

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RE: Beckham Dropped. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. - 13/8/2006 12:37:12 PM   
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If you're going to be inb a side for purely dead-ball reasons, you need to be significantly better than four goals a season Beckham, like Mihilovich(sp). He was never the best free-kick taker in the world, he played at ther same time as Rivaldo, Del Piero, Juninho, Zola and the aforementioned racist Serb. "Overrated" never had a better poster-boy.

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RE: Beckham Dropped. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. - 14/8/2006 10:17:23 AM   
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I wasn't around to comment on Friday so.....

Firstly - Beckham's departure.  From what McLaren said at the Community Shield yesterday, the door's not entirely shut, but it's as good as.
Beckham has been a good servant to his country, but in all honesty, for the last 2, if not 3, tournaments has been poor.  His only contribution has been free-kicks, crossing a ball that's not moving and missing penalties.

McLaren clearly wants a winger who will take players on and actually harass the full-back.  Beckham NEVER had the ability to beat his man.

That said - he should probably still be a squad member.....

I like the inclusion of Dawson. Maybe it's because I'm a Spurs fan, but he's fully deserving of this call-up as he was outstanding last season (some would say better than Ledley).
Since his knee injury, I've never really rated Brown.  I could be wrong, but did he make many appearances at centre-back for United last season???

As for Jenas - well hopefully this could be an improved season for him.  With Zokora now holding tight in midfield for Spurs, it should allow JJ to become a much more attack minded midfielder.  Perhaps he shouldn't be in the England squad but, much like Sven, McLaren must see something in him.

There are a lot of good midfielders in the Premiership at the moment, with Nolan and Parker more than deserving a call-up.  I think Parker may venture into the squad for the qualifiers if he starts the season well.  He missed the tail end of last season with glandular fever and this may have impacted on this selection too.
Nolan will now certainly play for Republic of Ireland.
Don't forget that at least one of those midfielders will make way for Carrick when he's fit (probably SWP if he's not a Chelsea regular).

The forward selection will be interested as it will be 3 games without Rooney.  Ashton is a very physical forward and I'd be tempted to go with him and Defoe on Wednesday night.
Could well go with Bent and Ashton though.......
Who knows!?!?

Great that Walcott's been relegated out of the squad.
Highly amusing to see McLaren trying to squirm his way out of saying that he disagreed wholeheartedly with Walcott being taken to Germany.

I have to say that it looks like McLaren wants a good attacking side out there and that can only bode well for our Euro Qualifying campaign!
I was one of the many who knocked the decision to name him as manager, but the way he put himself across yesterday has changed my view a little....

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RE: Beckham Dropped. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. - 14/8/2006 2:10:31 PM   
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Since his knee injury, I've never really rated Brown.  I could be wrong, but did he make many appearances at centre-back for United last season???


Yes he played a huge part, he was by far our best defender, and possibly our best player of the season. His long list of injuries seem to have done wonders for his game,  he never seems to make the mistakes he used to, and seems to deal with almost every mistake any other player makes. He definitely deserves to be in the England squad. Just give the guy a watch next time a United game is on the box, or during the England game, if he gets on.


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RE: Beckham Dropped. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. - 14/8/2006 2:51:12 PM   
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Great that Walcott's been relegated out of the squad.
Highly amusing to see McLaren trying to squirm his way out of saying that he disagreed wholeheartedly with Walcott being taken to Germany.



That was really funny. Richard Keys kept on at him about it and he clearly wanted to say, 'Of course I had nothing to f**king do with it!'. Then Jamie Redknapp, the wretch, jumped in and helped him out.  

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RE: Beckham Dropped. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. - 15/8/2006 1:03:12 PM   
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Team to face Greece: Robinson, G Neville, Ferdinand, Terry (c), A Cole, Gerrard, Lampard, Hargreaves, Downing, Crouch, Defoe

Dean Ashton will miss out on his England debut after being taken to hospital this morning for a scan on an ankle injuiry picked up during training in Carrington.

So why aren't Bent and Defoe starting? Friendlies are designed to experiment and I was very excited by Mac's squad but with the exception of Defoe being included and Gerrard being out on the right due to Becks there aren't any real changes in that squad, there has been a bit of criticism in the media that Downing should be chosen to replace Joe Cole because of the Boro connection but who else were we going to play out on the left?

Aaron Lennon, Jamie Carragher and Darren Bent should be starting in my opinion due to their form last season and the fact fans constantly call for these three to play a big part. Especially after Becks being dropped, we should be playing Lennon for 90 minutes out on the right too see what he can do in a full international game, Carragher should be in there ahead of Ferdinand and Bent still has only 80 minutes of international football too his name at senior level despite 22 goals last season.

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RE: Beckham Dropped. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. - 15/8/2006 1:33:43 PM   
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Aaron Lennon, Jamie Carragher and Darren Bent should be starting in my opinion due to their form last season and the fact fans constantly call for these three to play a big part. Especially after Becks being dropped, we should be playing Lennon for 90 minutes out on the right too see what he can do in a full international game, Carragher should be in there ahead of Ferdinand and Bent still has only 80 minutes of international football too his name at senior level despite 22 goals last season.


Why should Carragher be in there ahead of Ferdinand? Carragher was absolutely awful at the world cup, and is lucky to still be in the squad IMO. He's been a great player for Liverpool over the last two seasons or so, but is still very much unproven at international level. And there's never really been a constant backing of Bent either, just at the world cup because we were short on forwards.

Tomorrow's friendly is more about Steve McClaren getting his first win as England manager as opposed to experimenting. I'm sure once he gets this game out of the way we will see a lot more experimenting with the formation and starting XI in friendlies.


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RE: Beckham Dropped. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. - 15/8/2006 1:44:01 PM   
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Gerrard on the right?!??
I actually expect it will be Hargreaves there when the match starts, but if not, then McLaren's got it all wrong......
He was only saying on Sunday that he wanted to avoid the "square peg, round hole", yet here he is, planning to play Gerrard out of position!
He's a central midfielder who plays a specific position for Liverpool and will now have to adjust to a new role for England.
It should undoubtedly be Lennon on the right for at least the first half.

As for Downing on the left - I see nothing wrong with that.
When he's fit, that position will be held securely by Joe Cole.  He isn't fit, so Downing seems the natural back-up.

Is that Frank Lampard again in the middle?!?? The same Lampard who had a poor World Cup and didn't seem too good against Liverpool.....

Shame for Ashton though - I said he should have started with Ashton & Defoe, and it looks like that was the plan.  Oh well....

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RE: Beckham Dropped. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. - 15/8/2006 1:50:08 PM   
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Gerrard on the right?!??
I actually expect it will be Hargreaves there when the match starts, but if not, then McLaren's got it all wrong......
He's a central midfielder who plays a specific position for Liverpool and will now have to adjust to a new role for England.



 The same Steven Gerrard that played the whole of last season on the right? The same Steven Gerrard that can never ever again be allowed to play in the middle with Frank Lampard? I agree Lennon should be in and Lampard out, but certainly not for those reasons.

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RE: Beckham Dropped. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. - 15/8/2006 1:57:37 PM   
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Steve needs to get his first win and thats a team sent out to do that. Experimentation will come but it wasn't going ot happen in his first game. It'll be interesting to see how frank goes this season following his dip in form during the World Cup and Ballacks arrival at Chelsea.

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RE: Beckham Dropped. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. - 15/8/2006 3:09:37 PM   
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Playing Lennon on the right is not experimentation..... playing Gerrard there IS experimentation!!
I can understand Hargreaves being selected to start, as he was apparently England's player of the World Cup.  But why not go with him and Gerrard in the middle???
It seems that, much like Sven, McLaren is determined to play Lampard & Gerrard together in a team, even though we've yet to see evidence it will ever work.

FACT - this team will lack balance out on the pitch.  Downing will parade the left, Lampard & Hargreaves will contain the centre, while Gerrard will undoubtedly wander inside and clog it all up - leaving no-one to get at the Greece full-back and every chance for them to come down our flank.

Got to be gutted for Ashton - breaking an ankle right before the start of the season!

When exactly IS the time for experimentation???
The next 2 games are competitive, so that rules anything out there....
We can't start lining up more meaningless friendlies either in a season that's already too long.
This is the PERFECT chance to look at Lennon out wide and maybe a different centreback.  What if we lose Terry/Ferdinand/Lampard/Gerrard by the time the qualifiers come round?!  There won't have been anyone tested in those positions.


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RE: Beckham Dropped. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. - 15/8/2006 3:52:12 PM   
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Well I'd be all for experimentation, but the manager cant do that because he's an inexerienced manager who will be slaughtered if he doesn't do well. I'd also be all for dropping frank, but it seems as though he has picture of the England management team doing some stuff and therefore they aren't allowed sub or drop him. The media would slaughter the manager if they lost, so therefore he's played it safe. He was the wrong choice, and he's proving it.

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RE: Beckham Dropped. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. - 15/8/2006 4:08:02 PM   
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Why should Carragher be in there ahead of Ferdinand? Carragher was absolutely awful at the world cup, and is lucky to still be in the squad IMO. He's been a great player for Liverpool over the last two seasons or so, but is still very much unproven at international level. .


Hargreaves wasn't dropped when he was playing pants and now everyone is hailing his name so give Carra a chance ey? He did alright when he played 90 minutes in Germany (remember he was out of position!) and I know he missed the penalty but he should never have taken it, only Sven would choose a centre-back to take a penalty in a world cup quarter-final. The friendlies are designed to give players like Carra a chance to show what they can do with more than just a 25-minute bit-part role where nine times out of ten the game is already over.

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And there's never really been a constant backing of Bent either, just at the world cup because we were short on forwards.


There has in the media and in other fans forums and polls. He is the top English goalscorer in football and in every other country that players makes the international starting line-up, in friendlies at least.

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Tomorrow's friendly is more about Steve McClaren getting his first win as England manager as opposed to experimenting. I'm sure once he gets this game out of the way we will see a lot more experimenting with the formation and starting XI in friendlies.


I can understand he wants his first win but if he wants to look different from Sven then he's going to have back his Beckham decision up by making some gutsy decisions about the starting line-up.

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RE: Beckham Dropped. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. - 15/8/2006 4:25:39 PM   
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only Sven would choose a centre-back to take a penalty in a world cup quarter-final.


King Lippi might disagree with you. Ok, to be pedantic he let a centre half take a penalty in the final and not the quarter.

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RE: Beckham Dropped. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. - 15/8/2006 5:01:57 PM   
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If Carragher is going to come in for anyone on current form, surely it should be for Terry? Comparing Matarazzi to Carra's a bit of a non-starter, Mat's always had a boomer on him and has taken pens and free-kicks quite regularly.

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RE: Beckham Dropped. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. - 15/8/2006 5:04:56 PM   
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Didn't Gerrard play on the right for Liverpool last year? As for the clambering for Lennon he still needs more experience of the Premiership before he has a regular place in the England setup. He still needs a lot of work on his delivery and technique. If he plays well for Tottenham this year he will get a regular role with Frank moved to the bench.

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RE: Beckham Dropped. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. - 15/8/2006 11:34:55 PM   
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Didn't Gerrard play on the right for Liverpool last year? As for the clambering for Lennon he still needs more experience of the Premiership before he has a regular place in the England setup. He still needs a lot of work on his delivery and technique. If he plays well for Tottenham this year he will get a regular role with Frank moved to the bench.


I remember Gerrard playing up front a few times for Liverpool last season but never much out on the right. I assumed part of the reason Mac dropped Becks was to give Lennon and Wright-Phillips a chance on the right and Lennon's bit-parts in the world cup showed he is a very capable player, why not give him the chance now, it's not exactly the Walcott scenario again is it.

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RE: Beckham Dropped. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. - 16/8/2006 4:40:55 PM   
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Well, its hard to get excited about tonight's game, isn't it?

And to be fare I'm looking more at the negatives hanging over us from the WC than the positives I'd like to be taking into looking at the next major tournament, such as:
- Now the Sven and Becks are out of the way there's no-where for the *stars* who underperformed at the WC to hide, so will Gerrard and Lampard in particular step forward
- We might like to think of Terry as a lion, but I wonder if he'll be able to carry the captaincy.  For every good read of the ball and well timed tackle he has to offer, he aslo seems far too prone to the ball over his head.
- With El Tel in some form of coaching capacity there will he please get rid of the god awful zonal defending we did in corners and put a proper man marking system in place
- Will Stevie G just look to ping that 30 - 40 yard ball forwards to Crouch?  And how will he and Neville play together.

I'll go with a steady if undramatic 2-0 to England with a Crouch header and Lampard free kick, just to make trouble for the next game's selection.

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RE: Beckham Dropped. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. - 16/8/2006 5:06:55 PM   
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I remember Gerrard playing up front a few times for Liverpool last season but never much out on the right.


Gerrard played most of the season on the right for Liverpool and scored bags of goals.

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RE: Beckham Dropped. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. - 16/8/2006 8:57:19 PM   
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Greece should come up here and get a game with my Monday night lot, then we could be unofficial European Champions.

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RE: Beckham Dropped. Ha ha ha ha ha ha. - 17/8/2006 1:37:08 PM   
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Stories are also beginning to emerge saying that Beckham has now been dropped from the starting line up at Real Madrid due to Capello prefering Cicinho. It's not been a very good month for Beckham, the guy must be seriously depressed. But I'm sure him and his millions will do just fine.


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