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George Lucas's "Red Tails" - 25/10/2005 7:48:18 PM   
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Now i would have put this in Future Films, if i could but you can't start new threads there nor is it listed in Empire's Future Films Index so i though i'd discuss it here.

Lucas wants to tell the tale of the Tuskegee Airmen. The black squadron that protected bombers during WWII and who are infamous for not losing one bomber under their guard. They were called Red Tails also as their sign was the tail on their planes...was red. Pretty obvious really.

Anyway, i was thinking...............what's the point. Not because it's an unimportant chapter in WWII history but because there was a excellent film made about this a few years back.

The Tuskegee Airmen was made by HBO and you can get it on R1 DVD ( i did off Amazon marketplace for 3 or so quid). A great little film, so great flight sequences and shows the racial prejudice that these men had to face to simply protect their country. If Lucas does it, expect CGI up the kazoo.

It stars the likes of Lawrence Fishburn, Cuba Gooding Jr, Andre Braugher and Mekhi Pfeifer. I really recommend this to everyone before a inferior Lucas version hits our screens. Not that i don't have faith, but i heard a disturbing rumour that he's writing the script.

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RE: George Lucas's "Red Tails" - 16/2/2006 8:41:52 PM   
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Excellent news, Lucas is NOT going to write and direct, he's only going to produce.

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RE: George Lucas's "Red Tails" - 20/2/2006 10:31:19 PM   
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Thank god for that, maybe the dialogue will be half decent then.

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RE: George Lucas's "Red Tails" - 14/3/2006 5:35:41 PM   
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In an interview with Rick McCallum about the upcoming Star Wars TV series, Red Tails was mentioned. Here is what Ricky M said;

"“We’re working on Red Tails right now. George is writing the script as we speak. He’s just finished the Indiana Jones script, and Steven’s having that rewritten and a few things done. And then we start hopefully in October or November looking for another writer for Red Tails when George puts together his ideas of what he wants it to be. Then hopefully next year we’ll start on that.”
 
George is working on the script! Argh! Well as long as they bring someone in to tweak his work and definetly get someone else to direct it.

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RE: George Lucas's "Red Tails" - 5/3/2007 6:22:37 PM   
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0485985/ - IMDB's page

< Message edited by Timon -- 6/7/2007 12:48:35 PM >


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RE: George Lucas's "Red Tails" - 6/7/2007 12:49:35 PM   
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I thought I'd resurrect this thread considering the amount of controversy surrounding Spike Lee daring to make a film about the black infantry troops of WWII.


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RE: George Lucas's "Red Tails" - 9/12/2008 10:27:26 AM   
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So Anthony Hemingway of The Wire is directing. Nice. Is there any word on cast yet?

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RE: George Lucas's "Red Tails" - 11/12/2008 8:03:48 PM   
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I just hope, for the love of all that's holy, that they use some REAL warbirds in it.

Come on, George, you owe it to us after the CGI-orgy that was the Star Wars prequels, and since you stuffed them up you might want to redeem yourself a little....

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RE: George Lucas's "Red Tails" - 12/12/2008 7:09:31 AM   
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Hmm I don't know about this one, don't want to pass judgement yet.  It could be a good step for him getting away from the fantasy/sci-fi side of things?

On another note i felt out of place posting here due to the lack of indian Jones avatar, i supose my other Lucas film will do


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RE: George Lucas's "Red Tails" - 12/12/2008 8:03:48 AM   
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another war film
there seems to be alot of them being made at the moment

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RE: George Lucas's "Red Tails" - 3/3/2009 10:32:45 AM   
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'Mr Beaks' from AINC has apparantly read the script;

If you're any kind of STAR WARS fan, the title RED TAILS should mean something to you. Though I can't seem to nail down the exact date the project was announced (I say 1992, but a couple of reliable Lucas-philes think it might be as old as WILLOW), it was, for many years, one of those "non-prequel" ideas Lucas batted around in interviews just to get our hopes up that he might one day return to big-screen feature filmmaking. Then RADIOLAND MURDERS actually happened (for better or worse), EPISODE I went forward (ditto), and RED TAILS was, over time, downgraded to one of those pet concepts that Lucas would maybe get to once the prequel trilogy was completed.
 

Some sixteen years later, RED TAILS is finally leaving the hangar.
 
For those of you not up on your Lucasfilm lore, RED TAILS was always intended to be some kind of history-based tribute to the World War II exploits of the Tuskegee Airmen. But that was the extent of the public's knowledge about the project. Would it be an epic, three-hour take on the formation, training and deployment of the squadron, or a high-octane homage to the flyboy yarns that inspired the x-wing/tie-fighter battles in STAR WARS? If Lucas had any interest in winning Oscars, the former might've been a possibility. But one of the things I've always liked about Lucas is that, with very few exceptions (all of them being over twenty years old), he doesn't go in for prestige. He may feint at making "small independent films like Francis", but, as CHUD's Devin Faraci discovered a while back, that's hardly a priority. Lucas is less an artist than a gearhead. And he's at his best when crafting stories around young men who dig fast moving vehicles.
Let's see... fighter pilots are young... planes are fast... Could RED TAILS be George Lucas's most honest and, dare I say it, heartfelt entertainment since THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK?
 
If you take John Ridley's screenplay as the sum total of its aerial action (which is so specific, I wouldn't be surprised if it was written and pre-vis'd a decade ago by Lucas himself), it absolutely is. The first twenty-one pages reads like STAR WARS in the European Theatre. Starting with a daredevil assault on a German train chugging through the Italian countryside (replete with pilot banter borrowed almost directly from the Death Star trench run), and concluding with a blind landing on a crowded military airfield, you get the feeling that this is Lucas's attempt to reclaim the modern World War II movie from Spielberg. "Lighten up, Steve! Let's go back to the days when fighting and dying for your country was fun!" I know that sounds snide, but it's really a compliment of sorts; despite Ridley's disappointing reliance on war film cliches (hard to take the "Dead Meat" archetype seriously after HOT SHOTS), RED TAILS is an enthralling read. Most importantly, it's so unabashedly commercial that I don't think it would outright kill the possibility of another, more serious Tuskegee Airmen film getting made somewhere down the road.
 
Flipping through RED TAILS, I was reminded that there is a place for corny war films with stock characters - and it's not just the 1940s and 50s. And since the brave African-American pilots who served the United States so brilliantly never got their FLYING LEATHERNECKS, there's no harm in honoring them with an escapist entertainment. The question is whether audiences have a taste for that kind of thing in the wake of SAVING PRIVATE RYAN (one might even reach back to PLATOON*) and the difficult occupation of Iraq. It's impossible to dodge the grim realities of warfare anymore, so a glossy, not-too-bloody throwback may not be as welcome as it might've been when Lucas first started developing the script.
It may be a tough climate for patriotic war films, but RED TAILS is so defiantly out of time, I don't think it's going to matter - especially when you factor in the artificiality of the endeavor. Though Lucas hasn't discussed in any great detail how he plans to shoot the movie (with director Anthony Hemingway tending to those icky "actors"), he'll certainly entrust the elaborate combat sequences to the the best of the best at ILM (given the emphasis on action at the expense of character development, I wouldn't be surprised if he opts for IMAX 3-D). Will this overwhelm the human element? Possibly. But, like I said, the humans are little more than instantly identifiable archetypes you either cheer or hiss.
 
What is a little strange is that RED TAILS is mostly an ensemble piece. If there's anything close to a protagonist, it's Marty Julian aka "Easy". He's the steady, fiercely loyal flight leader who disobeys orders in the opening sequence by talking his blinded pal, Ray "Ray Gun" Knight, through a rough landing. We get the sense early on from a post-assault briefing - in which the pilots watch film captured from the cameras mounted in the planes - that Easy and his fellow airmen are top-notch and combat-ready; unfortunately, as we learn in the next scene, the top brass at the Pentagon is unconvinced that this "colored experiment" is working. Do "negro" pilots possess the requisite degree of skill and intellect? Are they too wild or, worse, cowardly? There is, of course, plenty of racism to overcome, but, due to the outfit's lack of meaningful missions, there also aren't many statistics to counter these unreasonable assertions. As a result, the Tuskegee program is on the verge of being shut down.
 
While the Pentagon considers the fate of the fighter group, their leader, Colonel A.J. Bullard, wrangles a fairly significant "air cover" errand for his men. When they outperform expectations (racking up four kills and no losses), Bullard is offered a serious but potentially deadly mission: escorting American bombers as they conduct raids over German targets in broad daylight. Losses have been so severe for the Air Force in these operations that they're willing to try anything. And the fact is that no one will ever know whether these Tuskegee pilots are prone to breaking formation and acting like children in the heat of battle until they're actually thrust into the heat of battle.
 
The historical record tells you how this all plays out, but, as always, there should be excitement and suspense in the re-telling as you wonder who'll make it out of these perilous missions alive. This is where RED TAILS might disappoint those hoping for a more modern World War II film instead of, say, TWELVE O'CLOCK HIGH: aside from the racial element (which is cliched in its own way), you've seen this movie before; you know who lives and who dies from the moment they're introduced. That said, you've also loved this movie before, so while you might roll your eyes at the trite dialogue or wince at the obligatory dust-up between the airmen and a group of racist American soldiers (which, amusingly, is preceded by a quick high school history lesson on W.E.B. Du Bois vs. Booker T. Washington), there can still be something exhilarating about this type of war film.
 
Rounding up an appealing company of actors will obviously help in putting this material over (and I think Hemingway is probably a good choice as director, given his TV work on high-end ensemble shows like THE WIRE and BATTLESTAR GALACTICA), but the make-or-break will be the aerial acrobatics of the Tuskegee airmen in their trusty P-51 Mustangs. As I mentioned before, the combat sequences are written with such precision, it's like having the storyboards right in front of you. Lucas's vision couldn't be any clearer. And while the action predictably builds in scale as the story progresses, it's hard to not get worked up over the grand finale: a massive bombing raid on Berlin that pits the airmen against a swarming fleet of the Third Reich's finest fighter pilots (led by an ace called the "White Baron").
 
As Lucas proved with the chaotic opening battle that kicks off REVENGE OF THE SITH, he still knows how to stage and edit combat. The trick, however, is imbuing the CG mayhem with tangible, flesh-and-blood danger; otherwise, it's just a $200 million video game demo. Though the overwhelming enormity of an IMAX screen could assist in immersing the audience in Lucas's fabricated environment, the onus will mostly fall on the actors, who'll have to invest Ridley's shopworn dialogue with conviction and charisma (ordinarily, I'd be hoping for a polish of some sort, but even the unseen hand of Tom Stoppard couldn't bring poetry to the final installment of the STAR WARS prequels). That's a tall order, but if the actors commit to the material, anything's possible. As of last Friday (2/27), offers are reportedly out to Terrence Howard, Andre Royo (Bubs!), Nate Parker (who should be on the verge of stardom after his excellent performance in THE GREAT DEBATERS), David Oyelowo (Dr. Junju in THE LAST KING OF SCOTLAND), R&B star Ne-Yo, Bryan Cranston (currently earning accolades for his work on BREAKING BAD) and Barry Pepper.

RED TAILS may occasionally feel like an educational tool, but it's mostly just an old-fashioned 1950s war movie honoring real-life heroism, and I can't knock it for that. Best of all for Lucas, it's not the continuation of an old, wheezing franchise. Unburdened by the crushing expectations of the prequels or INDY 4 (and I'm so going to regret saying this), there's a very good chance RED TAILS could be perceived as a return to form when it hits theaters in 2010.

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RE: George Lucas's "Red Tails" - 3/3/2009 11:03:33 AM   
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Sounds like a good move forward...

I'm hoping (probably beyond hope) that Lucas will borrow some real Mustangs/Me-109s.  Shit, there's even a couple of flyable Fw-190s these days!

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RE: George Lucas's "Red Tails" - 3/3/2009 11:08:44 AM   
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If they could spring the budget for The Tuskegee Airmen (HBO) to get some real Mustangs in, Lucas can sure as hell do it.... but you know he'll prefer to use CGI planes in the dogfights.

Some interesting names mentioned in the casting - David Oyelowo: would be good to see him in more things. Terrence Howard: unless he's replaced by Don Cheadle, Ne-Yo: ???

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RE: George Lucas's "Red Tails" - 3/3/2009 12:24:07 PM   
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Even if they use some model work, that might be interesting to see (the large-scale models used in The Aviator were incredible - I was convinced they were CG!)

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RE: George Lucas's "Red Tails" - 3/3/2009 3:33:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Timon

If they could spring the budget for The Tuskegee Airmen (HBO) to get some real Mustangs in, Lucas can sure as hell do it.... but you know he'll prefer to use CGI planes in the dogfights.

Some interesting names mentioned in the casting - David Oyelowo: would be good to see him in more things. Terrence Howard: unless he's replaced by Don Cheadle, Ne-Yo: ???


Sick burn Timon!

Ne-Yo: can he act? Sounds like the kind of film where it's not going to matter too much if he can't, but still. I don't really have a problem with CG planes, they must be pretty easy for ILM to do by this point.

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RE: George Lucas's "Red Tails" - 3/3/2009 3:59:14 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Timon

If they could spring the budget for The Tuskegee Airmen (HBO) to get some real Mustangs in, Lucas can sure as hell do it.... but you know he'll prefer to use CGI planes in the dogfights.

Some interesting names mentioned in the casting - David Oyelowo: would be good to see him in more things. Terrence Howard: unless he's replaced by Don Cheadle, Ne-Yo: ???


Sick burn Timon!

Ne-Yo: can he act? Sounds like the kind of film where it's not going to matter too much if he can't, but still. I don't really have a problem with CG planes, they must be pretty easy for ILM to do by this point.



If they do the CG aircraft correctly, then that's fine.  My biggest disappointment with the most recent aviation-related war films (Flyboys) was that the WW1-era planes moved too bloody quickly!  Mustangs (and Bf-109s, for that matter) might be a lot faster, but they don't manoeuvre like X-Wings!

(At least, in Pearl Harbor, they can be somewhat forgiven...!)

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RE: George Lucas's "Red Tails" - 20/3/2009 9:17:22 AM   
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[size=2 itxtvisited="1"]Tristan Wilds (The CW's "90210") has been cast in the World War II drama Red Tails, says The Hollywood Reporter.The film, written by John Ridley and directed by Anthony Hemingway, details the true story of the 332nd Fighter Group, an elite all-black unit of escort pilots known as the Red Tails.George Lucas is an executive producer, and Rick McCallum is producing.Wilds will play Ray "Ray Gun" Knight, a flyboy nearly blinded over Nazi-occupied Italy who becomes the wingman of his friend and cohort, Marty. The two face the prejudice of the U.S. military as much as the overseas enemy but end up establishing an unprecedented record.

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RE: Red Tails - Casting Complete! - 6/4/2009 9:20:38 PM   
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The Lucasfilm Ltd. production of Red Tails – a fictional story inspired by the historic and heroic exploits of America's first all black aerial combat unit – has completed casting and will soon begin principal photography in Europe. Produced by Rick McCallum and Charles Floyd Johnson, directed by Anthony Hemingway ("The Wire," "Battlestar Galactica") and written by John Ridley (Three Kings) from a story by executive producer George Lucas, Red Tails will star Oscar winner Cuba Gooding Jr. (Jerry Maguire), Oscar nominee Terrence Howard (Crash), Emmy winner Bryan Cranston ("Breaking Bad"), Nate Parker (The Secret Life of Bees), David Oyelowo (The Last King of Scotland), Tristan Wilds ("The Wire"), Cliff Smith aka Method Man ("The Wire"), Kevin Phillips (Pride), Rick Otto ("The Wire"), Lee Tergesen (Monster), Andre Royo ("Heroes"), Grammy award winner Ne-Yo (Stomp the Yard), Elijah Kelley (Hairspray), Marcus T. Paulk (Take the Lead), Leslie Odom Jr. ("Grey's Anatomy"), Michael B. Jordan ("The Wire"), Grammy nominated singer Jazmine Sullivan, Edwina Finley ("Law and Order"), Daniela Ruah (Midnight Passion) and Stacie Davis ("The Wire").

"I've been wanting to do 'Red Tails' for 20 years, and we've finally got the means to showcase the skill of the Tuskegee pilots," said Lucas. "We're working on techniques which will give us the first true look at the aerial dogfighting of the era. And our top-notch cast will really make this story special."

"I'm thrilled to have such a fantastic cast of actors and such a talented director to work with," said McCallum. "The story of the Tuskegee Airmen represents a milestone in American history, and we're all proud to be paying tribute to their heroic efforts. That cultural significance is not lost on anyone in this great young cast."1944. World War II rages and the fate of the free world hangs in the balance. Meanwhile the black pilots of the experimental Tuskegee training program are courageously waging two wars at once – one against enemies overseas, and the other against discrimination within the military and back home.
 
Racial prejudices have long held ace airman Martin "Easy" Julian (Nate Parker) and his black pilots back at base - leaving them with little to do but further hone their flying skills - while their white counterparts are shipped out to combat after a mere three months of training. Mistakenly deemed inferior and assigned only second-rate planes and missions, the pilots of Tuskegee have mastered the skies with ease but have not been granted the opportunity to truly spread their wings.Until now.As the war in Europe continues to take its dire toll on Allied forces, Pentagon brass has no recourse but to reconsider these under-utilized pilots for combat duty.
 
Just as the young Tuskegee men are on the brink of being shut down and shipped back home, Col. A.J. Bullard (Terrence Howard) awards them the ultimate chance to prove their mettle high above. Undaunted by the prospect of providing safe escort to bombers in broad daylight - a mission so dangerous that the RAF has refused it and the white fighter groups have sustained substantial losses - Easy's pilots at last join the fiery aerial fray.
 
Against all the odds, with something to prove and everything to lose, these intrepid young airmen take to the skies in a heroic endeavor to combat the enemy – and the discrimination that has kept them down for so long.



Good to see Cuba in it - veteran of HBO's Tuskegee Airmen - in it. Also good to see loads of The Wire's cast in it!

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RE: Red Tails - Casting Complete! - 6/4/2009 9:41:01 PM   
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"We're working on techniques which will give us the first true look at the aerial dogfighting of the era.

 
Just as the young Tuskegee men are on the brink of being shut down and shipped back home, Col. A.J. Bullard (Terrence Howard) awards them the ultimate chance to prove their mettle high above. Undaunted by the prospect of providing safe escort to bombers in broad daylight - a mission so dangerous that the RAF has refused it and the white fighter groups have sustained substantial losses - Easy's pilots at last join the fiery aerial fray. 
 


I'm a bit fucked off with Lucas's statement, and the bullshit comment below that.

"The first true look at the aerial dogfighting of the era"??  What, you mean, the same sort of dogfighting which Battle of Britain recreated, ooh, about 40 years ago??  With REAL planes??

And also "a mission so dangerous that the RAF has refused it " - umm, did they?? 
 
Lucas, you haven't even started shooting the fucking film yet, and already I want to remove your beard with a can of petrol and a match!

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RE: Red Tails - Casting Complete! - 6/4/2009 9:55:46 PM   
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As far as I'm aware the RAF didn't escort USAF bombers... did they? Surely the USAF had their own fighters for that nonsense?

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RE: Red Tails - Casting Complete! - 6/4/2009 9:59:46 PM   
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I dn't know about the Mediterranean Theatre of Ops, but certainly over Europe the RAF did the bulk of escort duties.  They couldn't escort the Americans all the way to Germany and back because, simply, they didn't have a plane with the range to do the job!

In fact, the USAAF didn't have a suitable escort fighter until the Mustang came along (and that was mostly thanks to the British!)

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RE: Red Tails - Casting Complete! - 7/4/2009 9:16:30 AM   
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"We're working on techniques which will give us the first true look at the aerial dogfighting of the era.

 
Just as the young Tuskegee men are on the brink of being shut down and shipped back home, Col. A.J. Bullard (Terrence Howard) awards them the ultimate chance to prove their mettle high above. Undaunted by the prospect of providing safe escort to bombers in broad daylight - a mission so dangerous that the RAF has refused it and the white fighter groups have sustained substantial losses - Easy's pilots at last join the fiery aerial fray. 
 


I'm a bit fucked off with Lucas's statement, and the bullshit comment below that.

"The first true look at the aerial dogfighting of the era"??  What, you mean, the same sort of dogfighting which Battle of Britain recreated, ooh, about 40 years ago??  With REAL planes??




Well, that's what most directors would do - get real P-51 Mustangs, hire compotent pilots and film the dog fight sequences but according to the script review, the dog fights are meant to be seriously intense, I'm guessing Lucas wants to film things that would be close to suicidal for stuntmen...

The script talks of "a massive bombing raid on Berlin that pits the airmen against a swarming fleet of the Third Reich's finest fighter pilots (led by an ace called the "White Baron")" which conjours up images of the opening space battle in Revenge of the Sith. However whilst that was a CGI-fest, Red Tails is going to have to find the balance between realism and giving us an experience as if we were really going on these missions as well... and like it or not, ILM are going to have to play a big part to accomplish that.

There's just no other way to recreate a mass bombing of Berlin... except maybe with models a la Memphis Belle and co.

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RE: Red Tails - Casting Complete! - 7/4/2009 9:47:18 AM   
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The thing is, contrary to what Hollywood will have us believe, the vast majority of dogfights were not even that.  They were "get in, hit the bastard, get out" affairs which lasted seconds.  The aerial battles in 1940 were quite often over in moments as the opposing aircraft split up and carried on the fighting elsewhere.  There are literally hundreds of cases where pilots engaged the enemy, then found themselves split up from the rest of their unit. 

I don't mind a bit of Hollywood storytelling here and there (indeed, Memphis Belle is not based on the aircraft's 25th and final mission (which was in actual fact a "milk run" over France, as even suggested in the film!)) but I'd rather accuracy and realism over sheer spectacle. 

The funny thing is, LucasArts released the game Secret Weapons over Normandy a few years ago.  It's one of my favourites, to say the least, and yet it's rather realistic in certain aspects.  The last thing I want is a WW2 film with loads of "realism", spoilt by X-Wing Mustangs!

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RE: Red Tails - Casting Complete! - 7/4/2009 9:57:58 AM   
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If Lucas wants to use CGI, then at least let there be real Mustangs in the foreground, and CGI in the rear.  You can get away with one or two aircraft supplemented by digital replicas.  Just look at Dark Blue World - and they had a fraction of Pearl Harbor's budget! 


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RE: Red Tails - Casting Complete! - 7/4/2009 9:59:19 AM   
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Well, I think that's what this'll be, it's not going to be 633 Squadron or 12 O'Clock High, this is going to be Boy's Own adventure with Mustangs. Like the fighter plane sequences in Independence Day....but set in WWII. This is going to be dog fighting in and out of clouds, train straffing and all that malarky.

Despite the director being a veteran of gritty shows like The Wire and BSG, I think primarily this is going to be an old fashioned yarn.

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RE: Red Tails - Casting Complete! - 7/4/2009 10:10:34 AM   
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So long as Lucas sticks to that formula, uses some real Mustangs and does not intend on telling the true story of the Tuskegee pilots, then I'll be fine.  Lucas will still have his beard after the premiere...

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RE: Red Tails - Casting Complete! - 7/4/2009 4:02:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DazDaMan

So long as Lucas sticks to that formula, uses some real Mustangs and does not intend on telling the true story of the Tuskegee pilots, then I'll be fine.  Lucas will still have his beard after the premiere...


To quote the script review: "RED TAILS was always intended to be some kind of history-based tribute to the World War II exploits of the Tuskegee Airmen. But that was the extent of the public's knowledge about the project. Would it be an epic, three-hour take on the formation, training and deployment of the squadron, or a high-octane homage to the flyboy yarns that inspired the x-wing/tie-fighter battles in STAR WARS? If Lucas had any interest in winning Oscars, the former might've been a possibility but one of the things I've always liked about Lucas is that, with very few exceptions (all of them being over twenty years old), he doesn't go in for prestige. He may feint at making "small independent films like Francis", but, as CHUD's Devin Faraci discovered a while back, that's hardly a priority. Lucas is less an artist than a gearhead. And he's at his best when crafting stories around young men who dig fast moving vehicles.

Let's see... fighter pilots are young... planes are fast... Could RED TAILS be George Lucas's most honest and, dare I say it, heartfelt entertainment since THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK?"

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RE: Red Tails - Casting Complete! - 7/4/2009 4:13:14 PM   
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Well, if that's the plan, then I'll dig that, too.

Just remember, George, a Mustang doesn't corner like a starfighter...

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Red Tails.... - 9/4/2009 5:57:15 PM   
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I'm glad to inform you that filming begins.....

....next week.

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RE: Red Tails.... - 12/4/2009 11:29:47 PM   
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Filming in and around Prague apparantly.

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