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Drag - 17/3/2007 5:34:20 PM   
mrdoom14


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 I thought this was rather dull and boring and I lost intrest in it.

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Don't bother - 2/4/2007 11:21:45 PM   
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 This film is a real turkey - particularly disappointing considering the usual (high) quality of Mann's other work.

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- 6/4/2007 12:22:40 PM   
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its a beautiful film with great cinematography and while you dont get sucked in by the two leads this makes a nice change and the film is all the more interesting for it.

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RE: - 11/4/2007 9:47:40 AM   
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I just think Mann was misjudged in disregarding the TV series that made him famous. 
By naming the characters Crockett and Tubbs, it was immediately going to bring negative comparisons to a TV series which a lot of people enjoyed then and still do.

I have a sneaking suspicion that Mann was already going to make a film about undercover cops when someone in Hollywood said that by calling it Miami Vice it would have a guaranteed box-office return and studios would queue up to finance it.

I hope that's not the case as I think Mann is one of the best directors working in Hollywood today.

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RE: Drag - 11/4/2007 1:10:20 PM   
curtain twitcher


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quote:

ORIGINAL: mrdoom14

I thought this was rather dull and boring and I lost intrest in it.


So did i, i thought the film was boring and nowhere near as good as the origional tv show. I mean Colin Farrel? Come on! I think that Michael Mann is quite overrated, but i still really liked Heat, Collateral amd Last Of The Mohicans though.

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Miami Vice - 24/4/2007 8:49:33 PM   
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 I thought it was OK, but all a bit average. It was far too serious for its own good, Mann went for a semi-documentary feel at the expense of characterisation, I would have thought most people who hadn't seen the series wouldn't have a clue who Crockett & Tubb are, the audience are thrown in at the deep end and left to figure things out for themselves.

 I thought the moments between Colin Farrell and Gong Li, and Jamie Foxx with Naomie Harris worked better than the ones with the 'bad guys', I thought Jose Yero in particular was far too cartoonish to convince. Some of the cheesy rock music he layered over every 'serious' moment didn't help things either. I'm also still not convinced by Mann's determination to use digital cameras, as in Collateral long shots and shots without too much action in look fine, but once people start running about, as in the gun fights, it all goes a bit blurry and cheap looking.

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RE: Miami Vice - 25/4/2007 11:34:16 PM   
Fivefur


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Indio

I thought it was OK, but all a bit average. It was far too serious for its own good, Mann went for a semi-documentary feel at the expense of characterisation, I would have thought most people who hadn't seen the series wouldn't have a clue who Crockett & Tubb are, the audience are thrown in at the deep end and left to figure things out for themselves.

I thought the moments between Colin Farrell and Gong Li, and Jamie Foxx with Naomie Harris worked better than the ones with the 'bad guys', I thought Jose Yero in particular was far too cartoonish to convince. Some of the cheesy rock music he layered over every 'serious' moment didn't help things either. I'm also still not convinced by Mann's determination to use digital cameras, as in Collateral long shots and shots without too much action in look fine, but once people start running about, as in the gun fights, it all goes a bit blurry and cheap looking.


no fucking shit sherlock considering more than half the planet were familiar with the Crockett and Tubbs history which shoulda translated to big BO,

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RE: Miami Vice - 25/4/2007 11:44:20 PM   
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 Considering a massive portion of todays movie going audience weren't even born when they last made an episode of Miami Vice for TV, I think I made a fair point, so keep the snide comments to yourself, smart arse.

My point was that the film  just started in a club, with no proper explanation of what they were supposed to be up to, it just ambled along until Alonzo got killed, the audience were expected to feel sorry for a character without any backstory whatsoever (and no, I wasn't a massive fan of the series so maybe Alonzo was a major character in that, but seeing as all the characters were recast I wouldn't know).

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RE: Miami Vice - 25/4/2007 11:52:22 PM   
Fivefur


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Indio

Considering a massive portion of todays movie going audience weren't even born when they last made an episode of Miami Vice for TV, I think I made a fair point, so keep the snide comments to yourself, smart arse.

My point was that the film  just started in a club, with no proper explanation of what they were supposed to be up to, it just ambled along until Alonzo got killed, the audience were expected to feel sorry for a character without any backstory whatsoever (and no, I wasn't a massive fan of the series so maybe Alonzo was a major character in that, but seeing as all the characters were recast I wouldn't know).


smart arse huh?

yeh it just started in a club, like way in at almost the deep end, for dudes like me who grew up with C and T it was cool REALLY cool, no explanations needed, it grabbed me there and just rolled on from there. full stop. I loved it. You bein a young ......no I aint goin there..bein recast aint got shit to do with it, its the characters man and for me that made it, it is up there with Colaterall and almost Heat.  you  neeed to watch some vice ep's and then suck it up man

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RE: Miami Vice - 26/4/2007 4:06:45 PM   
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 I finally saw it on sunday and was massively let down. Manns famous for his impressive and fairly realistic gun fights but they were just plain boring here, especially the climatic one. The plot was linear, even for a cop drama and the sound levelling was just atrocious. Its a personal thing but I really cant get one with the digital cameras hes used since Collateral, they make the whole film look like it should belong in the unpolished deleted scenes in the DVD extras. If anything I think it makes the film look unrealistic rather than gritty.

Im a huge fan of Manns and was sorely let down here.

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empire overrated it - 27/4/2007 5:14:26 PM   
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 I honestly dont know how this movie got 4 stars. Giving it 2 is being generous, it was absolutly horrible

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RE: empire overrated it - 28/4/2007 12:10:56 PM   
Fivefur


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I honestly dont know how this movie got 4 stars. Giving it 2 is being generous, it was absolutly horrible


I respect your opinion dude, but can you expand on why it was absolutley horrible?

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what the hell is wrong with you all - 13/5/2007 5:07:58 PM   
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This is a great movie great directoin by Mann ( no suprises there) good acting and a brilliant plot. This movie is not your usaul cop-thriller this movie is more to show the pressure of deep undercover and the balance of staying on the right side. the action was great and so was the rest of the movie ( abit disapointed about the extras)

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- 13/5/2007 5:09:15 PM   
davieboy

 

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I just think Mann was misjudged in disregarding the TV series that made him famous. By naming the characters Crockett and Tubbs, it was immediately going to bring negative comparisons to a TV series which a lot of people enjoyed then and still do. I have a sneaking suspicion that Mann was already going to make a film about undercover cops when someone in Hollywood said that by calling it Miami Vice it would have a guaranteed box-office return and studios would queue up

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Micheal is the Mann - 13/5/2007 5:11:18 PM   
davieboy

 

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watched Maimi Vice on DVD and it was ACE! all the critic's of this movie need there eye's tested,cause it was'nt the movie i was watching.It was well paced with the usual MANN trade marks throughout,and Farrel and Fox where excellent,and the final gunfight was very close to HEAT,but just not as nerve shearding

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RE: Micheal is the Mann - 13/5/2007 7:02:43 PM   
Enda


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 sorry I've been so long in getting back to this topic.

When I said the movie was horrible I should probably have listed my reasons:

1. Sound-I found it difficult to make out anything Farrell was saying. He spoke in a low whisperd voice the entire way through to mask his thick Irish accent. I had the surround sound up near enough to full volume and struggled to hear him. The same goes for Li Gong, the asian actress. Very difficult to understand.
2. Pace-I thought the movie was very slow and just seemed to go on and on. I know Mann probably intended for the movie to be slow and steady and some people like that. Fair enough, that's your preference. It's just not mine.
3. I thought the whole Ferrari/Designer Shades/Flash mobile's buisness was slightly OTT. I'm pretty sure the real Miami Vice dont cruise around in cars worth more than the station so why should they here. I know you'll probably say "It's just a movie its not supposed to be real", which is fair enough but again I would have just preffered to see them take a more realistic approach to the film.

It's been a while since I saw the DVD so I've forgotton parts of the film. If I give it a re-watch, I will probably remember additional flaws here and there which bothered me initially. Granted, the gun fight at the end was entertaining and typical of Mann. Just about the only decent thing in the whole film. I'm sorry but it's just the way I feel

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Divisive - 25/5/2007 6:02:40 PM   
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Miami vice is a daring film in that it disregards convention by making the characters quiet and avoiding the obligations in typical fare like this. It avoids the common car chase and exposition. I admire it for its daring experimentation but as Empire said, it is a flawed film and no flawed film deserves four stars. The film comes close to being dull, but the film looks sublime. The main problem with the film is how it fails to make the characters relatable making the viewer more then a little distant and how it refuses to satisfy the audiences hunger for consistent action set pieces. Still, it holds the attention mostly throughout. I expected more but Mann is only sticking to his own sensibilities. Although the film is nowhere near as good as Heat or Collateral, it is good to see a director suffusing summer fare with unusual techniques, restraint and personality.

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Divisive - 25/5/2007 6:02:42 PM   
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Miami vice is a daring film in that it disregards convention by making the characters quiet and avoiding the obligations in typical fare like this. It avoids the common car chase and exposition. I admire it for its daring experimentation but as Empire said, it is a flawed film and no flawed film deserves four stars. The film comes close to being dull, but the film looks sublime. The main problem with the film is how it fails to make the characters relatable making the viewer more then a little distant and how it refuses to satisfy the audiences hunger for consistent action set pieces. Still, it holds the attention mostly throughout. I expected more but Mann is only sticking to his own sensibilities. Although the film is nowhere near as good as Heat or Collateral, it is good to see a director suffusing summer fare with unusual techniques, restraint and personality.

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RE: Miami Vice - 4/6/2007 10:17:54 AM   
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Watched this last night for the 1st time since seeing it last summer in the theatre.
The 1st time I saw it I pretty much thought that, ok, while not reaching the high's of Heat or Collateral, it was still a good movie.
Mann, along with Ridley Scott and Fincher, for me, always make really good looking films.
But last night, having revisited, it I have to say it's better the second time round imo.
Interestingly I watched it with the subtitles on because the 1st time I found the scenes between Jesús and Isabella hard to follow, English being a native language of neither, and suddenly I got a lot more from their scenes. Same with the scenes with Yero.
Farrell and Li's scenes become a lot more intimate when you can understand what they are saying to each other, especially the shoot out and Crockett's subsequent actions after that, the scene in their safe house. With Mogwai's Auto Rock banging away, Farrell's admission that he loves her but can't take their relationship any further is a scene to match Hannah and MacAuley's "I told you, I ain't never going back" bit at the end of Heat for me.
Mann picks great tunes btw.
Then Isabella looking shocked and fragile, something she hasn't looked like even having experienced in her life before this as she's driven away on the boat.

Worth a revisit if you wrote it off 1st time.

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yawn - 28/7/2007 12:36:44 PM   
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The only reason this gets 2 stars is for style. Everything else is bland.
Probably the most boring film I've ever seen.

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AWFULL!! - 30/7/2007 11:45:42 AM   
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How the hell has Empire seen fit to give this 4 stars??? Terrible/non existent plot, can't even make out what the hell they're saying as the sounds either v.poor or the slang used no-one outside Miami can understand! What a load of old tosh.

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- 6/8/2007 11:30:40 AM   
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This could of and should have been a masterpiece and yet fails in the unlickliest of manners. With Michael Mann at the helm this should of been kick-ass but dosn't live up to it's full potential. The story's confusing, what characters doing what and where are they. It leaves you feeling unwelcomed as if they didn't want you to watch it.

Jamie Fox should of been more invovled, but there's not enough of him. Collin Farrel does an iffy jiffi job and always get the women. The action didn't sizzle as of in Heat and the characters arn't fully evolved.

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Oh please.... - 19/8/2007 3:55:01 AM   
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Don't even bother watching this load of old tosh. Stylish ? Superior entertainment ? Where on earth does Empire find these reviewers !? Poor style as it was so deliberate (style for the sake of it), terribly filmed action sequences (the shoot out, I couldnt even see what the hell was going on), poor sound, poor script and the acting could have been performed better by 2 planks of wood. Need I say anymore. Michael Mann is better than this.

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RE: Miami Vice (2006) - 3/9/2007 11:47:58 AM   
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 Started to watch this and couldnt understand a word being said.

So started again with the subtitles on which greatly improved the experience and actually turned out to be a good film.

Subtitles is the answer.

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- 19/10/2007 4:32:41 PM   
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The sort of moody, atmospheric style-fest that Michael Mann can conjure in his sleep, the lead pair of Foxx and Farrell look every bit the cool A-list partnership, both exhibiting some seriously good acting in between the ruthless bouts of razor-sharp dialogue and intense, breathless action. A final gun battle for instance rekindles the sort of heightened, brutal realism so wonderfully executed in Heat.

What a shame then that Miami Vice is undone by some chronicly impenetrable sound engineering. Whole exchanges pass without the audience having so much as a clue as to what has just been said. This allied with a dense, almost completely unexplained plot (witness the opening club scene for example, the meaning of which will remain a mystery for years to come) that only becomes half sensible upon repeated viewings, ensures that Mann's second epic crime saga lags a long way behind its true intentions.

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Another stylish thrill from Mann, but it lacks a bit, d... - 2/1/2008 11:58:14 PM   
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This is RUBBISH - 4/1/2008 6:24:55 PM   
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Yesterday I bought this film for £3 at Tesco, I want my money back. This film is sooo bad i couldn't even sit through to the end. The first hour and a half are just londg drawn-out conversations with people in the drug business with a few sex scenes every now and again for good measure. Empire this does not even come close to 4 stars and is hardly even worthy of 1.

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Not an entertaining way to spend 2 hours - 20/1/2008 12:49:19 AM   
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 I was genuinely surprised at just how dull i felt this movie was. I cant quite sum it up as i wish to but whereas collateral, heat and others felt paced, tight as a drum and entertaining - this movie never felt like a movie for my tastes.

Its instantly forgetable and really dissapointing considering the calibre of those involved.

Its as if all the things that made collateral work were absent in this movie. It is packed with style and undeniably well crafted but its sparse, protracted and meanders towards the end. It just felt like a waste - apologies for the negativity but even for a few quid this felt like a let down

this is not a movie ill revisit again- even on terestrialy tv :(

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- 23/2/2008 1:27:57 PM   
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This is the problem I've always had with Michael Mann's films, I cannot understand what the hell the characters are saying most of the time, and like HEAT if I had kept watching it, I'd have probably been guessing what's happening through out the entire movie.

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- 23/2/2008 1:27:57 PM   
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This is the problem I've always had with Michael Mann's films, I cannot understand what the hell the characters are saying most of the time, and like HEAT if I had kept watching it, I'd have probably been guessing what's happening through out the entire movie.

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