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- 9/8/2006 4:24:20 PM   
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miami vice comes with a lot of pre release hype and expectation but first i should say it is nothing like the tv series michae l mann has taken the characters and the basic premise and fashioned something very different which will not be to everyones taste it is certainly not your usual summer block buster or cop buddy pic ala lethal weapon or bad boys. this is a slow burning mood piecewith colin farrell and jamie foxx in full method mumble mode and gong li with strangulated spanish accent what itis is an expensive art picturemichael mann has gone to town with the techinal aspects of the filmand on purely that basis itis finethe script is a little bloated and long winded we are literally dropped into the middle of an operation with no exposition. romance was added i suspect to offset the bleakness of the other parts but when it explodes the violence is quite hard hitting a super set piece near the end. this does not hit the heights of heat or collateral the acting being a bit too low key but itis still a very stylish package and mann just about gets away with it

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MACHO RUBBISH! - 9/8/2006 7:50:19 PM   
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I Have to say this was awful!. OK, some of Mann's work is awesome-Heat- but, as always, its packaged in so much macho-bull****. This totally lacked any feeling of depth or believale reality. Most of the cast were far too concerned with looking cool. The "romance" between Crockett and Gong Li was laughable -do you fancy a dink? Lets go to Havana -Puuurrrllleeaassssee!!! And worst of all, did anyone notice how much Farrel looked like Ben Stiller's White Goodman from Dodgeball? Hilarious, medallion-man, macho joke, done without a hint of irony! Avoid.

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Farrel IS White Goodman from Dodgeball! - 9/8/2006 7:52:12 PM   
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Did anyone notice how much Farrel looked like Ben Stiller's White Goodman from Dodgeball?

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Below Average - 9/8/2006 9:39:32 PM   
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Most of the positive reviews for this seem to be absed on either some sort of Mann hero-worship or based purely on the cinematography. I can't fault the look of the film, but the plot was awful - I couldn't understand what anyone was saying, and I couldn't understand why anything was happening. Jamie Foxx may as well have been a shop manequin . As with the grossly overrated collateral, I just didn't care anything about the characters. Also, was it just me, or did they never really achieve what they set out to do - just another film where all the bad guys get shot in one big final scene, despite the fact they were actually trying to locate a mole.

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Did I see the same film as most of these reviews. - 10/8/2006 11:29:47 AM   
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I don't know what most of these people are talking about. I saw the film last night. Really Really enjoyed it. The gun battle matches or even surpasse HEAT. I just think it refreshing to see a film that you have to think about. I've been very disappointed by most of the summer blockbusters this year and this was a breath of fresh air.

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RE: Below Average - 10/8/2006 11:49:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: jimmytr

Most of the positive reviews for this seem to be absed on either some sort of Mann hero-worship or based purely on the cinematography. I can't fault the look of the film, but the plot was awful - I couldn't understand what anyone was saying, and I couldn't understand why anything was happening. Jamie Foxx may as well have been a shop manequin . As with the grossly overrated collateral, I just didn't care anything about the characters. Also, was it just me, or did they never really achieve what they set out to do - just another film where all the bad guys get shot in one big final scene, despite the fact they were actually trying to locate a mole.


Well that was the only plausible way to tie up all of the plot threads that were floundering around madly- it wasn’t morally satisfying or artistically diverse I grant you, but at least it made some sense, which is more than I can say about the rest of the film…


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Fuckin excellent... - 11/8/2006 3:23:13 PM   
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Absolutely loved it. Best movie of the summer by a fuckin mile. Michael Mann is the best director working in Hollywood today bar none!

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RE: Fuckin excellent... - 11/8/2006 7:10:34 PM   
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Some words that make up my opinions on this film;

1. Disappointing (very).
2. Predictable
3. Cliched
4. Boring
5. Anti-climatic

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Starskey and Hutch - 11/8/2006 9:08:33 PM   
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Maybe Mann was aiming for a spoof of the TV show he helped create and we all just missed the joke? It's the only explanation for the soft-porn direction, fetishtic visuals, absence of dialogue and Colin Farrell's performance.

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vice - 12/8/2006 10:15:35 AM   
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Good camera work, hard to follow the dialogue and plot at stages. Wouldn't say this film was one of mann's best. Slow to get going, liked the music, and when there finally was action scenes was alot more excited. Colin farrel overall acted well but did falter in a few scenes, jamie foxx did well with the lines he had but was underused really as they focused more on the romance between gong li and farrel. Liked the blue scene, knew michael mann would do that. Still think heat is better(and collateral!)

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Disappionting - 12/8/2006 4:35:01 PM   
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Nowhere as good as Collateral and suffers from some really bad acting from Ferrell and a mostly boring first act, some really pointless sex scenes making the film look long. The last act is great thuogh, with a great gun battle and soome realy beautiful vistas.

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Disappionting - 12/8/2006 4:35:17 PM   
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Nowhere as good as Collateral and suffers from some really bad acting from Ferrell and a mostly boring first act, some really pointless sex scenes making the film look long. The last act is great thuogh, with a great gun battle and soome realy beautiful vistas.

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RE: The case for the defence - 12/8/2006 5:41:17 PM   
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Interesting post Phil, but as you might expect from my review, I don't see much to agree with in your defence of Miami Vice.

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ORIGINAL: Philconcannon
Looks like this film is taking a bit of a pasting from some readers here, but it seems to me that a lot of the criticisms aired thus far have stemmed from Michael Mann's attempts to experiment with Miami Vice, and to try to take it somewhere beyond the confines of its genre.


The main thrust of my criticisms were not along those lines. I felt it was a soulless exercise, lacking the depth of Mann's previous films and containing little in the way of excitment with which to distract attention from the fact very little is actually happening. As such it's a strange beast, ambiguously directed. Is it meant to be a cheesy cop thriller (how else does one explain the shower scenes or the slow motion speedboats)?

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Now, Michael Mann's films have never been particularly verbose (Collateral was somewhat anomalous in that respect) and there are a number of reasons for this. The characters in his films are utter professionals, and they do not stop to chat, to trade wisecracks, in the vein of many films of this type. In many of Michael Mann's films you'll find characters who only talk when they feel its necessary, when it serves some purpose; his characters are men of action, not words.


That is true to some degree. However, Mann develops deep and interesting characters around these confines. For example Neil McCauley may not say much, but much of his character rests in what he does (brilliantly conveyed as it is by De Niro, through piercing glances and subtle gestures). There are two key scenes for understanding his character, first the halted heist and second the table turning moment as Hanna realises McCauley is now watching him. Through such action he establishes who this man is. There was not one scene close to being as masterful in developing characters in Miami Vice. Crockett and Tubbs strut about, and mumble from one scene to the next, all the while nothing happens.

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Secondly, Michael Mann places far more emphasis on the visual and aural effect of his films than the dialogue. He attempts to develop his characters' relationships by reading their faces, by following the looks between individuals; and to involve us in the story through his manipulation of the film's aesthetics. Whether or not he's successful in doing so with Miami Vice is arguable, but I think it mostly works extremely well - the subplot between Farrell and Gong Li overcomes her problematic delivery, and is made real through the actors' chemistry and Mann's direction. Their burgeoning relationship did, for me, give the film a satisfying emotional arc.


In a way it was a similar arc to that between McCauley and Edie in Heat, just not so nuanced and punctuated by moments of pure fromage.

As far as developing relationships through facial expressions goes, I would presume that is very hard to do when the protagonists scowl and grimace with the visage of those that haven't had a decent bowel movement for a few days. Seriously, I couldn't see very much expressed through actions by the characters, certainly nothing to compare to the scene in Heat where McCauley decides to take out Waingro or the moment Vincent decides to take out Daniel the jazz man in Collateral.

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Miami Vice is flawed, as I admitted in my review at the top of this thread, but it has ambition and style, and it's driven by a genuine intelligence. Mann could have ticked all of the standard narrative and character boxes, and given us something more mundane but perhaps more conventionally satisfying; but I like the fact that he has taken a risk with this massive project, pushing himself artistically instead of playing it safe. I think Miami Vice is one of Mann's more uncertain efforts, but it's still one of the few serious, adult films being offered to today's mainstream audience, and it's still every inch a Michael Mann film. Above all it looks and sounds like nothing else in the cinemas right now. For all its flaws, it's a worthy addition to Michael Mann's oeuvre.


I did think some of the sound design was excellent (no-one does gunshots like Mann), but Miami Vice does have a standard narrative (and a particularly uneventful one too) and is as mundane as any number of Michael Bay films. I don't see how such a simple film could count as intelligent. I mean what happens?

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Satisfying adult entertainment - 12/8/2006 5:44:30 PM   
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I wasnt bothered about this to start with yet Mann can make almos anything sound and look fresh. I loved the gritty verite style about it; no wisecracks or cliched buddy schtick. These guys were very serious about what they did and it showed. It was a little too leisurely at times and some of the ADR was out of sync or just incoherent in the mix. Minor quibbles aside, this surpassed my expectations.

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Satisfying adult entertainment - 12/8/2006 5:46:09 PM   
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I wasnt bothered about this to start with yet Mann can make almos anything sound and look fresh. I loved the gritty verite style about it; no wisecracks or cliched buddy schtick. These guys were very serious about what they did and it showed. It was a little too leisurely at times and some of the ADR was out of sync or just incoherent in the mix. Minor quibbles aside, this surpassed my expectations.

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RE: Satisfying adult entertainment - 12/8/2006 7:46:42 PM   
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Just very quickly - seen it twice and really like it. Aside from a slightly flabby mid-section and some overlong sex scenes much of it is brilliant. Lets face it - Miami Vice is alwsy going to be a genre film which isnt going to have any sort of cultural impact. Mann seesm to know this and it makes him waste no time with bullshit and 'building up' characters who are going to be cliches in any case - it's bang and straignt in there. Its pompous in a good way - Mann never nannies the audience and characters never sit around talking about the plot. It's up the audience to figure out what's going on, because nothing is spelt out.  Visually it's suberp - absolutely fantastic. The script is largely excellent and I for one had no problem understanding what characters were saying. I liked it when they used phrases and abbreviations like Opsec (which I assume means Operational Security but maybe it doesnt) - I like the fact that we have to just go with it and it makes up part of the film's atmosphere.

I think the setback with the composition and style of the narrative is that there is perhaps a lack of emotional engagement with a characters that get harmed, but it's definitely a price worth paying. It holds tension and is far more intresting than the average blockbuster stuff that has been in and out of cinemas over the past few months. Even the flabby mid-section (in between a superb opening and closing 40 minutes or so) is more intresting that the dull Superman Returns, the mess that was POTC2 or the pathetically made X-men 3. It's a blockbuster for adults.

4/5


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RE: Satisfying adult entertainment - 12/8/2006 9:27:37 PM   
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I thought this was a great film. Loved the fact you went straight in at the beginning with no opening credits or build up. Also like the straight down the line professionalism of Crockett and Tubbs, no buddy buddy chit chat, they just knew what they had to do and got on with it. The audience weren't treated like idiots in that they had to have the plot explained to them every 5 minutes, you had to think for yourself which meant you had to concentrate but I like that.  The cinematography was awesome and the grainy feel to the film made it feel more realistic.  

I was a huge fan of the original TV series but this is Miami Vice.  Nice touch with Phil Collins at the end as well 

Much, much, much better than Collateral!

4 / 5

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RE: Satisfying adult entertainment - 13/8/2006 3:12:14 AM   
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Breif opinion about the film - But personally for some of the character stuff in the film, the only why I can try and sum it up its style is by pointing out an example.  The scene where Gong Li and Farrell are in the the bar in Hawahii (sp) and Li asks would he like to see a photo of her mother. Farrell turns around and says something like "This isnt gonna go work, is it?" or something along those lines.  Just from that line you can gather lots of info about the character, how you guess this happens to him all the time, how being undercover doesnt give him the chance for relationships, and if they do they always end bad.  Mann is a far more intelligent filmmaker not to make those lines means something .

IMO the rest of the films characters are built on the back of the odd line or gesture, like Foxx's "I'll trust whatever you do" when they say they want to stay undercover.  To me, those lines mean alot because of the fact they're minimal and subtle throughout the film and just ring out more.   

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RE: Po-faced pish. - 13/8/2006 1:03:11 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hamish

Absolutely mind-blowing visuals, seriously no matter how flawed the plot I was in sheer heaven soaking up every frame. IMPACT is the word, from the scenery to the stunning sound design in the shoot outs, definately one to showcase a new home cinema set up.

Heat is still vastly superior in terms of plotting and character development but with Miami Vice Mann has dealt his audio-visual masterpiece. Perhaps with his next he can combine the two and produce a film that will truly give Heat a run for it's money.

8/10




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- 13/8/2006 1:14:21 PM   
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RE: - 13/8/2006 3:31:21 PM   
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overall i liked it,it had some class sequences but i felt the poor diction of the actors delivery the dialogue made it quite a task to have any clue to what the hell was going on,luckily i caught on and it made up for it by the end,the shoot outs were class and the scene where the agents get shot in the car,that shot makes you want to become a director,visually it was brilliant could've done with some improvements but it was enjoyable and gripping enough.not for my mum though she fell asleep three times!

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RE: RE: - 14/8/2006 7:46:26 PM   
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After the dodgy reviews I have to say I was pleasantly surprised. the dialogue creaked a bit at times and Crockett's love interest's acting left a little to be desired. But the pace was very good I thought. It looked absolutely beautiful and the set pieces were fantastic. Michael Mann may well be the best, most consistent, director of his generation.

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RE: RE: - 14/8/2006 10:26:04 PM   
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Damn. I'm disappointed. The trailer was awesome, and every frame sure did look pretty, but I'm sorry to say Miami Vice is the worst film I've seen so far this summer.  

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- 15/8/2006 8:49:31 AM   
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i thought this film was the worst that i had seen in a long time. it was impossible to understand what they were saying, the plot wasn't that interesting, they couldn't seem to choose and era to set it in (farrell looked like an 80's throwback - not something i usually have a problem with but this is an exception) and it made me <i>fall asleep</i>! the only redeeming feaures were the pyrotechnics and the blood effects. i usually agree with Empire on their ratings but my opinion of this film couldn't be more different! i'd give it half a star, if i could, just for the special effects.

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Miami not so Nice - 15/8/2006 9:15:00 AM   
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For such an acclamined director such as Michael Mann to produce a crime drama that left me bored is some achievment.

I loved Collateral and Heat but you would not think Miami Vice came from the same director.

The good points are that the cinematography is beautiful, the trailer park scene is fantastic and the shoot out scene is probably one of the best I've ever scene.

Unfortunately the bad points are numerious. The dialogue between characters verges on the ridicioulous at points. At times I was stugguling to hear what they were saying and to be honest I cared so little for the characters I did'nt really care.
There is no chemistry between Farrell and Foxx. Academy Award winner Foxx is used so little it's a traversty. The Sex Scenes go on to long and you really have to be clicked on in the opening scence to have a chance of understanding the wafer thin plot.

I really wanted to like this film but unfortunetly 2-5 is as good as it's going to get.





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Miami not so Nice - 15/8/2006 9:15:11 AM   
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For such an acclamined director such as Michael Mann to produce a crime drama that left me bored is some achievment.

I loved Collateral and Heat but you would not think Miami Vice came from the same director.

The good points are that the cinematography is beautiful, the trailer park scene is fantastic and the shoot out scene is probably one of the best I've ever scene.

Unfortunately the bad points are numerious. The dialogue between characters verges on the ridicioulous at points. At times I was stugguling to hear what they were saying and to be honest I cared so little for the characters I did'nt really care.
There is no chemistry between Farrell and Foxx. Academy Award winner Foxx is used so little it's a traversty. The Sex Scenes go on to long and you really have to be clicked on in the opening scence to have a chance of understanding the wafer thin plot.

I really wanted to like this film but unfortunetly 2-5 is as good as it's going to get.





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RE: Miami not so Nice - 15/8/2006 10:33:19 AM   
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I too was very disappointed. The opening act promises much but then the film slips into tedium. The undercover aspect is far too long and lacks any kind of tension, there is no connection with the characters to make the audience care if they succeed. It is well shot but some of the dialogue is weak and I give this 3 stars only because the final act, when the action kicks in, redeems it ever so slightly.

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RE: Farrel IS White Goodman from Dodgeball! - 15/8/2006 10:45:05 AM   
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excellant film. and this from a fan of the series.
Well done that Mann!!!

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Not bad - 15/8/2006 12:17:51 PM   
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Michael Mann has come back to the 80s TV show he produced and reinvented it.  Great DV camerawork which really gives MV a gritty documentary style feel.  The opening throws you straight into the action and envelops you in a story that you are not quite sure of but it works. 

Whilst the plot does work and draws you in, it all feels a little, well , souless from Michael Mann.  Something just doesn't ring true about the film and it's a shame.  There are good performances from Foxx and Farrell who seem well suited to the roles.  Likewise, Gong Li and Naomie Harris put in good supporting performances.  All in all, it doesn't quite match up to the sum of its parts.  Maybe, it's the 80s excess, still there in the guise of supercars and speedboats that lead to the film feeling a tad hollow.

Ultimately, I think Mann did this type of film better with Collateral which felt an altogether more rounded.

Good ... but not a masterpiece but any stretch
7.5/10

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Miami Vice - 15/8/2006 8:23:57 PM   
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This film is right up there with other Mann classics despite what some other reviewers may say... stick with the story, follow the dialogue and enjoy the amazing action sequences near the end... I was surprised this was so good, glad went to see!

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