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Sylvester Stallone - 27/7/2006 7:12:16 PM   
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One Actor who does not get enough credit or kudos, in my opinion, is Sylvester Stallone.
In the past he has been ridiculed, partly due to his "macho" image in the 80's, mainly because of some filmic faux pars in the 90's (Stop or my mom'll shoot?!)

However, let's look at this in slightly more detail. His "breaking" movie, Rocky, earned him Oscar nominations for both Best Actor and Best Original Screenplay. Making him only the third Actor behind Orson Welles and Charlie Chaplin to achieve this. This movie (and it is certainly stallones movie in more ways than one) also earned Oscar nominations for Burgess Merideth, Burt Young, and Talia Shire. It also gave Carl Weathers a career, and was one of Frank Capra's favourite films.

He then made a couple of left turns by making F.I.S.T and Paradise Alley, having a hand in both screenplays. In both films he gave great acting turns, particulary F.I.S.T.

Rocky II, III, and IV, are great boxing flicks with some fantastic fights, big charactures, and some great acting moments, and in total made just short of $700 million dollars. Not bad for movies made in the late seventies and early eighties. He also written, directed, and choreographed these films.

His portrayal of a vietnam vet returning home after the war in First Blood rivals anything done by Tom Cruise or Jon Voight. Before Rambo became more a superhero than a war hero, he was a lonely, sad, haunted man on the edge of psychosis. His speech at the end is a killer, and the downbeat ending right on the button. The two sequels are great action films in their own right, as proved by their box office and there intergration into popular culture and language.

Other films where Stallone shows us his acting chops is Lock Up, D-Tox, Daylight, and Copland.
Lock Up is another under-rated gem and one of my favorites. D-Tox is a movie of two halves.
The first half being taut with suspence and some cracking acting, the second descending into a I Know What You Did Last Summer type mess. Again, Stallone gives a great, worn, performance.
And as for Copland, how he never got an Oscar nom i'll never know!!!

I could go on and on but hey!

Oh, and Oscar, Cliffhanger, Night Hawks, Demolition Man, Daylight, Judge Dredd, and Assassins are cool movies too!!

What do you guys and gals think? Me, i think sly should get a feature on his goodself in this very magazine. Maybe even a supplement!



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RE: Sylvester Stallone - 28/7/2006 2:05:48 PM   
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I've been saying this for years, nice to see there are a few fans who agree! The man is a legend for good reason, he should get his dues from Empire! What are they waiting for?!

I am hoping that with Rocky Balboa coming out in December, we'll get a nice interview/profile just like the one we got for Kurt Russell...PLEASE, EMPIRE, DO IT!!!

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RE: Sylvester Stallone - 28/7/2006 3:22:42 PM   
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To be honest, I quite like Sylvester Stallone. He's got this lovely aura of dumb charm about him.

And you can't beat Rambo really.

Pissed me off by remaking Get Carter though. What was the man thinking???

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RE: Sylvester Stallone - 29/7/2006 12:21:31 AM   
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Nice to see there are some sly fans. with regards to the get carter remake, nothing is sacred and at least he didn't go for a typical rehash. i thought it had some nice idea's. and anything with john c mcginley is worth a ride!

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RE: Sylvester Stallone - 31/7/2006 6:06:39 PM   
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I'm a big fan of all the 80's (and 90's) action movies, Stallone, Schwarzeneggar, Willis and Segal (yes him too!) are all amazing. I think the younger people going to the cinema are completly missing out on the heroes that always used to play, and I disagree with empire (the old heoes feature couple of issues back) that the audience today needs more intellectual action films, i think there just havn't been actors with as much charisma and charm to make such films appealing. Their films may not have had much plot or characterisation but you wanted to watch it just because it was Stallone or Schwarzeneggar, there's noone who does that anymore.

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RE: Sylvester Stallone - 1/8/2006 1:44:39 PM   
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RE: Sylvester Stallone - 5/8/2006 7:40:08 AM   
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Sly is okay, not that great in my opinion, he does come off as a jerk, but wow, for 60! He has kept himself in excellent condition and I am awed and applaud him for this.

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RE: Sylvester Stallone - 6/8/2006 2:06:59 PM   
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How and why does he come off as a jerk?!

- This vexes me. I'm terribly vexed.

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RE: Sylvester Stallone - 7/8/2006 7:14:05 PM   
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In Copland there is just something so watchable about his performance and certainly went up in my opinion after that and a crying shame he did'nt go on a Travolta style career resurrection.

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RE: Sylvester Stallone - 8/8/2006 3:29:07 AM   
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I really enjoyed his role in Assassins, He's a great actor who is Highly under-reated IMHO.

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RE: Sylvester Stallone - 8/8/2006 1:11:12 PM   
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A new Rocky and Rambo could spell the start of new things for old Sly. God knows, we really need some good ol' fashioned action superheros who aren't Marvel comic adap's and therfore subject to the legions of fanboys who demand he act like this, or that that supervillian isn't very good etc etc. Fuck. Them.

I too really liked Demolition Man - it was the film Arnie's Last Action Hero so desparately wanted to be - the gentle piss take of the action genre whilst at the same time playing up to the cliche. Sly can do irony, poor old Arnie can't.

Not wanting to sound subversive, but check out Total Film's 'Eighties' special edition out now. It has a terrific piece on Ahhnald and Sly and the track of their careers through the 80s heyday and beyond.

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RE: Sylvester Stallone - 27/8/2006 4:39:37 PM   
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I saw that and thought it was a great read. But i'm sure Empire could do much better.
I always thought that Sly was much, mcuh better than Arnie. Other than the first two terminator movies I'm not really a fan. Oh, I thought Twins was good. But Stallone is far superior is my opinion. He can act, he can write, direct, produce, do fight choreography. And people obviously like working with him (Rockys cast of Shire, Ward, Weathers, Meredith all returned several times)

I recently watched First Blood and the original Rocky again. Boy, that guy can act. In Rocky he reminded me of a young Brando, particularly in the scenes where he takes adrian ice skating and kisses her later on for the first time. And to think he wrote these scenes too.
I hope (and feel) that the upcoming Rocky Balboa will be a terrific movie. And i agree with a previous post that it'll be nice to have an "everyman hero" again, rather than someone in tights and a cape, etc.

ROCKY! ROCKY! ROCKY! ROCKY! ROCKY!

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RE: Sylvester Stallone - 5/9/2006 7:00:15 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: TheMadFatChickKiller

A new Rocky and Rambo could spell the start of new things for old Sly. God knows, we really need some good ol' fashioned action superheros who aren't Marvel comic adap's and therfore subject to the legions of fanboys who demand he act like this, or that that supervillian isn't very good etc etc. Fuck. Them.

I too really liked Demolition Man - it was the film Arnie's Last Action Hero so desparately wanted to be - the gentle piss take of the action genre whilst at the same time playing up to the cliche. Sly can do irony, poor old Arnie can't.

Not wanting to sound subversive, but check out Total Film's 'Eighties' special edition out now. It has a terrific piece on Ahhnald and Sly and the track of their careers through the 80s heyday and beyond.


I wanted to buy that magazine, but the price scared me. TWENTY FRICKIN' BUCKS FOR A MAGAZINE?! What are they smoking over at TF?! It's barely 130 pages! I would pay $20 for a special Stallone magazine, like the one put out by the German CINEMA back in 90, when Sly was king. Now that's a magazine no Sly fan should be without. Here's the cover for it:



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RE: Sylvester Stallone - 14/9/2006 1:45:49 AM   
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Sly's the man! He's 60 & he just keeps goin'! His Rocky & Rambo franchise has gone thru the roof & Sly's laughin' all the way to the bank!
He took his shot & went the distance. He came up & kept climbin' & he hasn't stopped yet.
Sure, he's made some mistakes in his personal like ('Gitte, among others) & his professional life (Stop!, Rhinestone)
but we Sly fans forgive him becuz we just LOVE the guy!
I've been following his career since the early '70's when The Lords of Flatbush came out.
(Being female, I think it's those BIG brown heavy-lidded eyes that got to ME!!)
His best piece of acting was in ALL the Rockys & the end of First Blood when he breaks down.
In Get Carter, he was DEFINITELY the MAN cuz he was ALL business in that one!
But his scenes with his "niece" showed the tender "slyce of Sly".
Yeah, he can act. He just brings along alot of baggage with him.

     
   
   

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RE: Sylvester Stallone - 14/9/2006 3:38:48 PM   
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sylvester stallone is a legend rocky 1-4 where absolute inspirin films an 5 was a bit of a meh. Judge Dredd would be crap if any other actor played him an rambo are a great collection of films 

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RE: Sylvester Stallone - 18/9/2006 10:33:12 PM   
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I agree. Thought he was pretty good in Judge Dredd.
Not to mention Cliffhanger and Demolition man
I even thought he was pretty good in Oscar. But even I can't justify Stop! Or my mom'll shoot!



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RE: Sylvester Stallone - 21/10/2006 8:06:35 PM   
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And on top of everything else, the guy has a fantastic sense of humour and self deprecation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn3KwnCT2iQ

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RE: Sylvester Stallone - 21/10/2006 10:13:47 PM   
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I heard that when Sly handed in the script for Rocky back when he was a nobody the producers loved the script and they where thinkin great but who could play rocky. Sly was like.."err me hint hint" but he wasn't beefy enough. So he said hang on a sec went off beefed up an came back as the famous Rocky Balboa thank god as well. Burt Reynolds auditioned for it, what would the Rocky anthology be with Burt Reynolds? Absolute bollocks is the answer

Anyway that was just a snippet of information of how Sly made his name

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RE: Sylvester Stallone - 21/10/2006 11:34:14 PM   
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Yeah, they wanted anyone but Sly. I know that Burt Young auditioned too - he eventually played Paulie - and I think James Caan was another they spoke to. But good ol' Sly kept his cool and had faith in himself.

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RE: Sylvester Stallone - 22/10/2006 1:20:49 AM   
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Hugely underated actor.  Great talent.  The misconception on this guy is so way off target.
 
Compare him to his contemporaries and he stands held and shoulders above them.
 
 
 
 

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RE: Sylvester Stallone - 22/10/2006 5:32:45 PM   
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Sylvester Stalone is good actor/director and has proven this with his various roles over the years.He is not in the same league as Pacnio,De Niro and Depp,but he is up there with Nickilson,Eastwood and Caan.It's a shame a lot of people only think of the Rambo and Rocky movies when they hear his name but it's there loss!

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RE: Sylvester Stallone - 22/10/2006 6:00:58 PM   
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I know. You've only got to look at the likes of F.I.S.T and Copland to see that the guy can act.
Even in D-Tox, a movie that was ruined by a poor second half which was forced upon it by a studio and a weak director, he gave an excellent emotional performance. Even when the film decends into I Know What You Did In Rehab, he keeps his character on track. You can certainly see there was a misssed opportunity with that movie.

Unfortunately he became a victim of his own success. In Rocky he found a voice that everyone wanted to hear, but when he wanted to do other things, the public didn't want to know. Until Rambo.
The guy has created two landmark movie icons. One especially of which - and just to clarify i'm talking Rocky here - will be remembered long after Schwarzeneggers Terminator, or Willis' John McClane, have been forgotten.

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RE: Sylvester Stallone - 22/10/2006 6:03:38 PM   
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He's crap.

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RE: Sylvester Stallone - 22/10/2006 6:20:26 PM   
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He's crap.


i believe this is an appreciation thread. Coming on and just saying "he's crap" shows a huge amount of ignorance on your part. Back it up, tell me why you think he's crap. Or are you really that bored, you just write obstructive, gormless comments.

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RE: Sylvester Stallone - 22/10/2006 10:34:48 PM   
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He's crap.

Cheers for that. Anywho, i think he's a darn good actor. His breakdown at the end of Rambo proves that alone.

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RE: Sylvester Stallone - 23/10/2006 2:46:01 AM   
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Great thread Sutty! I'm sick of Sly getting so much stick, I wish people would leave him alone.

He hammered out his script for Rocky in two days.

He insisted that he played the title role, even though producers offered him $150,000 to let Ryan O'Neal play the part. Tell me what other aspiring actor/screenwriter has done that? 

Stallone really did punch the frozen meat in the training scene in Rocky. In fact he did it so many times in many different takes that after filming was finished, he noticed the shape of his hands was different. His knuckles were left completely flattened and they remain that way to this day. Now that's dedication!

Sly gained 40 pounds to add realism to his portrayal of the police officer in Copland. He also was only paid SAG minimum wages. Okay it was 20 pounds less than De Niro in Raging Bull but dammit it's still alot.

He is in fantasic physical shape for his films. Take Rocky IV, The Specialist or the upcoming Rocky Balboa for example.

Okay so Stop! Or My Mom Will Shoot was pants, but's Schwarznegger's made worse (see Junior).

His speech at the end of First Blood was very moving and a quality piece of acting.

The opening sequence to Cliffhanger is one of my favourites because of the tension and panic evoked by the characters (except for the old geezer who looks like he's laughing his head off through the whole ordeal)

Stallone rocks!



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RE: Sylvester Stallone - 23/10/2006 2:52:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Empitomezzo

He's crap.


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RE: Sylvester Stallone - 24/10/2006 6:15:47 PM   
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Pretty damn good in Cop Land.

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RE: Sylvester Stallone - 24/10/2006 7:41:27 PM   
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Looking forward to ROCKY BALBOA,but have my doubts on RAMBO 4.Would realy like to see him in a cop movie/thiller for to exorsise those acting mussles,maybe even direct it?

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RE: Sylvester Stallone - 24/10/2006 7:55:12 PM   
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 New pic from Rocky Balboa (left)






The above pictured book is released stateside on december 18th 2006, and is the comprehensive guide to the Rocky movies. Already putting my order in!!

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