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RE: Doctor Who - 29/9/2012 9:45:27 PM   
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He had just been copiously kissed by him. 

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RE: Doctor Who - 29/9/2012 9:48:16 PM   
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There have been a couple of interviews with Gillan where she has said she won't be back because it will take the impact of the exit away. Not even for the 50th anniversary. Although, as well as that, in Sci-Fi Now she also said-

"When I left, I wanted it to be done. I want people to to go and re-watch the final moments and actually feel sad but not like 'Oh, they're coming back, so it's fine!' So, probably not, but you should never say never. Anything is possible with time travel"


They won't come out and admit it - where would the fun in that be?

Amy and the Doctor are so wrapped up with each others lives, that I find it hard to believe this is where it ends. The final scene of young Amy just reinforced that point to me.


You know, I started to type that post then answered the phone and made myself a cup of tea, I had no idea you were actually talking about this, I was replying to the very first time you said it.

I don't really give a shit either way but that interview does say 'never say never'. It could be possible that she hasn't actually made the decision yet, she wants to move on but given the right story, she could come back. I don't think anything is planned yet but I don't deny that there is every possibility that they will return at some point.

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RE: Doctor Who - 29/9/2012 10:05:17 PM   
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Oh, I didn't mention it but last week's logo was-



and this week's was a Statue Of Liberty type deal-



That's from the Doctor Who site but that is usually what they look like on the actual episode minus the DW.

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RE: Doctor Who - 29/9/2012 10:21:07 PM   
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The last days of the Ponds, behind the scenes- click

EDIT: Watching that video, it has dawned on me that Matt Smith is an amazing looking human being, very unique. It only took me three years, eh?

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RE: Doctor Who - 29/9/2012 10:39:15 PM   
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Why did Rory get zapped? The weeping Angel appeared behind him once he turned to face Amy, which was odd, but i can settle that she blinked at some point when he turned to face her but then, he turned back round and saw it before it zapped him. So what? Despite both knowing the rules, and despite Amy lasting ages by winking not blinking in Series5, they both blink at the same time???

Thought this was crap. Terrible farewell to two of the best companions and a piss poor episode anyway. Lots of ideas but no execution. (so I guess it was like Alien3)

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RE: Doctor Who - 29/9/2012 10:40:25 PM   
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Also, if the Doctor can just randomly heal River with his regeneration powers, why couldn't he heal Amy so she could have children again?

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RE: Doctor Who - 29/9/2012 10:42:44 PM   
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Also, if the Doctor can just randomly heal River with his regeneration powers, why couldn't he heal Amy so she could have children again?


I doubt it works unless you have a bit of Timelord DNA...

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RE: Doctor Who - 29/9/2012 10:43:04 PM   
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He didn't turn around and see it before it zapped him - he had his back to it looking at the tombstone. When Amy saw it it had already gotten to him. 

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RE: Doctor Who - 29/9/2012 10:45:42 PM   
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Brought a tear

Much as I'd like to see them again, I hope the interview is correct, that should be it, one of the best exits ever...

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RE: Doctor Who - 29/9/2012 10:59:50 PM   
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He didn't turn around and see it before it zapped him - he had his back to it looking at the tombstone. When Amy saw it it had already gotten to him. 


Ah true, but still, why does Amy blink then! She didn't blink when it was her own skin on the line but Rory's she blinks straight away? Murderer! Also why does Rory even go back and look at the grave? it's not like its even in the corner of his eye. he just randomly walks backwards and looks straight at it.

Why can't The Doctor visit them? I get the whole, oh it's a fixed even t now they have to die because they've seen their own grave stone, but why can't he visit them? The time energy that was stopping him landing before has been erased by the paradox and if its the paradox stopping him then how come he was okay staying in Martha's time after the Master's year had been undone in Series 3. Come to think of it, do fixed points have any real meaning now since last series finale when The Doctor cheated his own death?

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RE: Doctor Who - 29/9/2012 11:06:37 PM   
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Amy didn't see it till after it got Rory - there wasn't a gap in time and a scene playing out, she turned to see what he was looking at and caught the angel when it was already too late for Rory (you can check on iplayer now).

The Dr said the paradox had time-locked New York between the two dates I think unless he meant the period was now time-locked and he couldn't go back within it at all?


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RE: Doctor Who - 29/9/2012 11:10:02 PM   
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Also why does Rory even go back and look at the grave? it's not like its even in the corner of his eye. he just randomly walks backwards and looks straight at it.


I thought one of them had dropped something and he'd gone back to pick it up.

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RE: Doctor Who - 29/9/2012 11:13:29 PM   
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I think it did seem as if he sensed something - he was looking over his shoulder and not quite seeing anything when he glanced down and saw the stone. 

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RE: Doctor Who - 29/9/2012 11:13:45 PM   
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Amy didn't see it till after it got Rory - there wasn't a gap in time and a scene playing out, she turned to see what he was looking at and caught the angel when it was already too late for Rory (you can check on iplayer now).

The Dr said the paradox had time-locked New York between the two dates I think unless he meant the period was now time-locked and he couldn't go back within it at all?



Yes there was. It appears behind him as a stone statue and then Rory gets zapped. They only stop and become statuers when theyre being watched, meaning Amy saw the statue behind Rory (it is clearly visible behind him and then it got him).

But that doesn't make any sense within the logic of the show. Previous paradox(s) have never time-locked the time period in which they occur. Actually, why do the writers even bother making it so companions can't come back in new who? e.g. Rose, being trapped in a parallel universe, Donna forgetting the Doctor or dieing. Especially when they almost always bring them back anyway. Would have much preferred for them to have left last series or even last episode. This was just naff and a terrible ending. It's not even like they met their end at the hands of a big bad. Just a half dead weeping angel.

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RE: Doctor Who - 29/9/2012 11:16:11 PM   
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I watched it again before I posted - I do think she saw it as it got him. She may have frozen it but it was already too late - it was touching him. 

I think it's part of the way they get into the lives of these companions that the only way to let them leave is to make it almost irrevocable - it's part of the way Nu Who works. Which is kind of unfortunate  - not in the sense of companions going but because it does force a kind of story onto the exit.


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RE: Doctor Who - 29/9/2012 11:18:15 PM   
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Also why does Rory even go back and look at the grave? it's not like its even in the corner of his eye. he just randomly walks backwards and looks straight at it.


I thought one of them had dropped something and he'd gone back to pick it up.


No, it catches his eye when he's walking towards the Tardis so then he goes back, I assume to see if it really did have his name on it. He definitely glances at it before turning back though (thank you iPlayer)

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RE: Doctor Who - 29/9/2012 11:21:29 PM   
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I think it's part of the way they get into the lives of these companions that the only way to let them leave is to make it almost irrevocable - it's part of the way Nu Who works. Which is kind of unfortunate - not in the sense of companions going but because it does force a kind of story onto the exit.


As much as her time on the show was generally rubbish, that was the good thing about Martha's exit - choosing to leave of her own accord because it was better for her.

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RE: Doctor Who - 29/9/2012 11:24:22 PM   
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Amy looks down, presumably looking at the back of the gravestone Rory is looking at, and when she looks up it cuts to the shot of Rory's face with the Angel behind him out of focus.

It must be during that quick glance down that the Angel appears behind Rory and pokes him, and I guess there's a slight delay between making contact and warping away.

Also with the gravestone, when Rory walks back to look at it, it's actually the second time he sees it. Moments earlier, as the Doctor says "I want to go to the pub right now," Rory takes a clear glance to his right as he and Amy walk toward the TARDIS, and maintains his gaze for a good second or two as they walk.

So it must be one of those "Did I just see...?" moments when he went back to check

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Well bloody bugger to you you beastly buggers for getting in there before me


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RE: Doctor Who - 29/9/2012 11:25:01 PM   
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I think it's part of the way they get into the lives of these companions that the only way to let them leave is to make it almost irrevocable - it's part of the way Nu Who works. Which is kind of unfortunate - not in the sense of companions going but because it does force a kind of story onto the exit.


As much as her time on the show was generally rubbish, that was the good thing about Martha's exit - choosing to leave of her own accord because it was better for her.


Have to agree. The only "tragic" ending they got right imo is Donna's and i'm still torn over that. At last that had some emotional weight to it. This just felt... empty.

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RE: Doctor Who - 29/9/2012 11:26:54 PM   
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Amy looks down, presumably looking at the back of the gravestone Rory is looking at, and when she looks up it cuts to the shot of Rory's face with the Angel behind him out of focus.

It must be during that quick glance down that the Angel appears behind Rory and pokes him, and I guess there's a slight delay between making contact and warping away.

Also with the gravestone, when Rory walks back to look at it, it's actually the second time he sees it. Moments earlier, as the Doctor says "I want to go to the pub right now," Rory takes a clear glance to his right as he and Amy walk toward the TARDIS, and maintains his gaze for a good second or two as they walk.

So it must be one of those "Did I just see...?" moments when he went back to check


Quit making excuses for it. Was there ever a slight delay in Blink?

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RE: Doctor Who - 29/9/2012 11:27:45 PM   
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Donna's still makes me angry because it was a cop-out. And horrible. And wrong. But mostly the cop-out - they'd have done better to let her die. 

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RE: Doctor Who - 29/9/2012 11:28:55 PM   
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Amy looks down, presumably looking at the back of the gravestone Rory is looking at, and when she looks up it cuts to the shot of Rory's face with the Angel behind him out of focus.

It must be during that quick glance down that the Angel appears behind Rory and pokes him, and I guess there's a slight delay between making contact and warping away.

Also with the gravestone, when Rory walks back to look at it, it's actually the second time he sees it. Moments earlier, as the Doctor says "I want to go to the pub right now," Rory takes a clear glance to his right as he and Amy walk toward the TARDIS, and maintains his gaze for a good second or two as they walk.

So it must be one of those "Did I just see...?" moments when he went back to check


Quit making excuses for it. Was there ever a slight delay in Blink?

Dramatic license then?

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RE: Doctor Who - 29/9/2012 11:30:05 PM   
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I've looked at the damn thing 3 times now and I still don't see what Vadersville is seeing 



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RE: Doctor Who - 29/9/2012 11:39:21 PM   
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Not to digress too much, but I think it's overstated how selfish Donna is in The Runaway Bride. Once she gets beyond the initial shock of being snatched away on her wedding day, she's not that different to how she reappeared.

But, yes, as emotional as it was, she deserved better.


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RE: Doctor Who - 29/9/2012 11:43:17 PM   
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I didn't mind Donna's End too much, but I wish The Doctor had left after telling her family, without her walking in. It was horrible seeing her barely acknowledge him.

Oh, and elab -
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they'd have done better to let her die. 


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RE: Doctor Who - 29/9/2012 11:55:06 PM   
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Thought that was excellent. I hope the Ponds don't come back after this, because I can't really think of a better exit for them than this. It was tragic and very final and made me cry several times, yet they still got to live a long and happy life together. And Moffat managed the impressive achievement of making the Weeping Angels even creepier, especially the Statue of Liberty Angel - though it bugged me that it didn't really do anything despite the fact that for most of the scene on the roof no one was actually looking at it.

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RE: Doctor Who - 29/9/2012 11:59:43 PM   
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though it bugged me that it didn't really do anything despite the fact that for most of the scene on the roof no one was actually looking at it.


Rory had his eye on it the whole time he was standing on the edge of the building, then Amy looked at it, then The Doctor and River, then the paradox happened. There is one momet where it could have done something but then the Ponds dove off the building.


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RE: Doctor Who - 30/9/2012 12:07:28 AM   
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I'm not sure what it could actually do to be honest, maybe it's the Weeping Angel version of Lenny from Of Mice and Men, big but too dumb to do anything practical

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RE: Doctor Who - 30/9/2012 12:11:12 AM   
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So what do people feel now we have had a pretty arcless miniseries? Do they want arcs, or are they happy with the format?

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RE: Doctor Who - 30/9/2012 12:11:17 AM   
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I just finished watching it. It was great.

However, I did not expect to cry that much (I look horrendously pathetic now, red eyes and all). Amy saying "Goodbye, Raggedy Man" really got to me.


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