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RE: Man of Steel - 18/4/2013 12:45:21 PM   
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Iím pretty sold on this trailer as well. Iíve been running it frame-by-frame and humming the John Williams soundtrack at the same time, and Iím pretty stoked. Iíve even taken to calling my dog Krypto. He doesnít get it yet, but eventuallyÖ.

The hard part about Superman so far hasnít really been the special effects or costume (although it isnít an easy one to deal with.) For me, the difficulties are in Clark Kent and Lois Lane. More often than not, Clark Kent comes across as a two-dimensional cartoon while Lois is a harpy rather than a strong-willed, intelligent woman. I have high hopes for the movie, despite showing a man who can fly apparently hitch-hiking through the Alaskan wilderness.


I would guess its at a stage in the movie where he hasnt figured that out about himself yet, maybe he has only realised his strength. Either that or he is choosing a different path at that time and hiding his abilities. I look forward to finding out.


I agree, it's the same as in "Superman the Movie" he doesn't know he can fly yet I would guess (although in that film, he does know he can run faster than a speeding bullet and jump huge distances, so why hitch-hike in the cold?)

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RE: Man of Steel - 18/4/2013 1:47:10 PM   
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So, the guy who does the Empire trailer breakdowns has the week off I take itÖ

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RE: Man of Steel - 18/4/2013 2:55:02 PM   
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Iím pretty sold on this trailer as well. Iíve been running it frame-by-frame and humming the John Williams soundtrack at the same time, and Iím pretty stoked. Iíve even taken to calling my dog Krypto. He doesnít get it yet, but eventuallyÖ.

The hard part about Superman so far hasnít really been the special effects or costume (although it isnít an easy one to deal with.) For me, the difficulties are in Clark Kent and Lois Lane. More often than not, Clark Kent comes across as a two-dimensional cartoon while Lois is a harpy rather than a strong-willed, intelligent woman. I have high hopes for the movie, despite showing a man who can fly apparently hitch-hiking through the Alaskan wilderness.


I would guess its at a stage in the movie where he hasnt figured that out about himself yet, maybe he has only realised his strength. Either that or he is choosing a different path at that time and hiding his abilities. I look forward to finding out.


I agree, it's the same as in "Superman the Movie" he doesn't know he can fly yet I would guess (although in that film, he does know he can run faster than a speeding bullet and jump huge distances, so why hitch-hike in the cold?)



Cause he hasnt realised his heat superpower yet so he can blow on his hands??

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RE: Man of Steel - 18/4/2013 3:43:09 PM   
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Wasn't there a recent storyline in which Clark decided to walk across America in an effort to "find himself"?

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RE: Man of Steel - 18/4/2013 3:56:01 PM   
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Wasn't there a recent storyline in which Clark decided to walk across America in an effort to "find himself"?


Yes, and some info here -> http://www.comicsalliance.com/2010/06/23/superman-grounded-jms/

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RE: Man of Steel - 18/4/2013 4:20:59 PM   
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Iím pretty sold on this trailer as well. Iíve been running it frame-by-frame and humming the John Williams soundtrack at the same time, and Iím pretty stoked. Iíve even taken to calling my dog Krypto. He doesnít get it yet, but eventuallyÖ.

The hard part about Superman so far hasnít really been the special effects or costume (although it isnít an easy one to deal with.) For me, the difficulties are in Clark Kent and Lois Lane. More often than not, Clark Kent comes across as a two-dimensional cartoon while Lois is a harpy rather than a strong-willed, intelligent woman. I have high hopes for the movie, despite showing a man who can fly apparently hitch-hiking through the Alaskan wilderness.


I would guess its at a stage in the movie where he hasnt figured that out about himself yet, maybe he has only realised his strength. Either that or he is choosing a different path at that time and hiding his abilities. I look forward to finding out.


I agree, it's the same as in "Superman the Movie" he doesn't know he can fly yet I would guess (although in that film, he does know he can run faster than a speeding bullet and jump huge distances, so why hitch-hike in the cold?)


It's pretty clear in the trailer that he's trying to keep a low profile, hardly going to do that by flying around the place. He also appears to be wandering aimlessly so given that he has nowhere in particular to go why would he rush to get there

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RE: Man of Steel - 18/4/2013 7:34:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: steverayg

Iím pretty sold on this trailer as well. Iíve been running it frame-by-frame and humming the John Williams soundtrack at the same time, and Iím pretty stoked. Iíve even taken to calling my dog Krypto. He doesnít get it yet, but eventuallyÖ.

The hard part about Superman so far hasnít really been the special effects or costume (although it isnít an easy one to deal with.) For me, the difficulties are in Clark Kent and Lois Lane. More often than not, Clark Kent comes across as a two-dimensional cartoon while Lois is a harpy rather than a strong-willed, intelligent woman. I have high hopes for the movie, despite showing a man who can fly apparently hitch-hiking through the Alaskan wilderness.


I would guess its at a stage in the movie where he hasnt figured that out about himself yet, maybe he has only realised his strength. Either that or he is choosing a different path at that time and hiding his abilities. I look forward to finding out.


I agree, it's the same as in "Superman the Movie" he doesn't know he can fly yet I would guess (although in that film, he does know he can run faster than a speeding bullet and jump huge distances, so why hitch-hike in the cold?)


It's pretty clear in the trailer that he's trying to keep a low profile, hardly going to do that by flying around the place. He also appears to be wandering aimlessly so given that he has nowhere in particular to go why would he rush to get there


It looked like Clark just hiked it to the North pole in the original Donner film instead of flying cause he didnt know the full extent of his powers yet.After years of training by the crystal holo version of Jor-el did he become fully formed as Superman.I think what we see in the new MOS trailer is very similar.

LOVED the new trailer by the way.I was concerned that they would show too much with it being the third one but it only got me more excited to see it and really conveyed the heart and emotion of the movie instead of concentrating on big fx money shots and inception style BWWWWAAAMMM sound effects that are heard in seemingly every big summer movie trailer these days.Im almost completely sold on Cavill as Supes already, he really seems to have the chiseled charisma that Reeve had to portray the character ( which Brandon Routh did not im my opinion ).

Also loved the '' whats the deal with the S ? '' gag.Does this mean that he will actually NOT be referred to as Superman during the film? Really cant wait to see this now !

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RE: Man of Steel - 18/4/2013 9:09:25 PM   
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Entertainment Weekly are giving plot points way almost daily now!!

Not read too much but this little snippet intrigued me....

Clark Kent has also been working to get his temper under control, and isnít above some heavy-handed vandalism when provoked.

The "emotional kryptonite" Snyder spoke about?

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RE: Man of Steel - 19/4/2013 8:47:21 AM   
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Kal El in anger management.......great....

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RE: Man of Steel - 19/4/2013 10:20:50 AM   
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RE: Man of Steel - 19/4/2013 1:40:56 PM   
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The "emotional kryptonite" Snyder spoke about?


I think this is in direct reference to the people closest to Clark, not to his temper.

Superman, as a character, has always come under criticism for being a "boring" superhero because he's too powerful and you know he can never die. Well, this is true of all superheroes isn't it? You know they are never going to die, but the drama and tension comes from the hurt/injury/death of those around that superhero.

The Avengers, while a very good film, had a complete uninvolving (although entertaining) final action scene because you just know none of them are going to die and they were fighting a generic, faceless villain. Man of Steel seems to involve a lot of human drama and emotion, and this is to be applauded considering Superman is truly a god.

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RE: Snyder / Nolan Superman 2013 - 19/4/2013 1:58:10 PM   
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Finally caught this trailer this afternoon, after taking for the most part a backseat to Man of Steel and the Future Films of 2013..

Have to say i was slightly shocked and very impressed! One of the best made trailers i've seen in quite some time. Very cleverly conceived and impressively edited and put together. Certainly it's the best trailer i've seen for any big summer film this year, by quite a long way.

I've not been particularly a fan of Snyder and his films such as Watchmen in the past. I thought they were enjoyable but a tad over-rated. However, with this Superman reboot it looks like he's nailed it spot on and was a very good choice. The whole style and treatment looks absolutely brilliant and even more impressively it looks like it's caught a great balance between spectacle and heart real emotion, with what looks like a very strong character driven element.

Just the casting alone is extremely impressive. From Cavill and Adams to Costner and Crowe they've been brilliantly chosen. All with great charisma whom fit the parts they're playing perfectly. Crowe's voice (one of the best of the current movie stars) proving it's worth already on the trailer alone. Zimmer, whom i think in recent years has probably consitently been the best movie composer around, looks like he's hit the mark spectacularly with the music too.

My interest has seriously peaked for this one! Looking forward to June!

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RE: Man of Steel - 19/4/2013 4:18:53 PM   
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I refuse to watch this due to the lack of a certain score. It's NOT Superman without it.


Me too.Also,yet again no blue hair.Its f*cking disgrace.

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RE: Snyder / Nolan Superman 2013 - 19/4/2013 9:28:35 PM   
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I think, particularly after the last trailer, there is far too much to be positive about now for people to worry too much. Anything else is nit picking. I was inititally dead set against Williams music not being used. Even now it is, in my opinion, one of the greatest pieces of movie music ever made. But I get it now. And Zimmer has really come up with something rousing, heroic, and primal.

It seems that Snyder/Goyer have managed to keep true to the character we know, but added a level of maturity we haven't seen on the screen with him before. Here's hoping!

As people have already stated, the casting is absolutely superb. Costner and Crowe imparticular it seems couldn't have been casted better. Crowe bringing all his Gladiator-esque nobility and strength, and Costner with his all american, field of dreams, gregory peck type perfect dad-ness! Amy Adams should be cast in everything anyway and Cavill looks the business. Michael Shannon I know very little about. Not seen Boardwalk Empire or Revolutionary Road etc, but I loved the viral he did and he sounds great in the trailer. Very menacing.

All I think I want now is a 150/160 min+ running time! Looks epic, let it be epic.

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RE: Snyder / Nolan Superman 2013 - 20/4/2013 11:14:43 AM   
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Wow very impressive trailer and not giving too much away either. I thought the score sounded fantastic, don't get me wrong Williams' score is iconic and much loved but after 5 films and 35 years we must move on.

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RE: Snyder / Nolan Superman 2013 - 20/4/2013 12:42:22 PM   
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so what you think of cavill and adams? does the chemistry work?


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RE: Snyder / Nolan Superman 2013 - 20/4/2013 2:03:01 PM   
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All I think I want now is a 150/160 min+ running time! Looks epic, let it be epic.


I hope you are right. This movie has a lot to get through so you would imagine it would take its time. With the batman movies all over 2 hours and then some its looking promising. Plus, its a massive draw to actually going to the cinema these days, the prices are extortionate so you want to get your moneys worth!

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so what you think of cavill and adams? does the chemistry work?



It seems that lois still gets that all important exclusive first interview, though we havent seen anything of Clark in his reporter outfit, or even if he starts employment at the Daily Planet yet. I wouldnt be surprised if the relationship wasnt fully developed by the end, rather hinted for future installments. (note, that was all speculation, I havent been reading spoilers!).

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RE: Snyder / Nolan Superman 2013 - 20/4/2013 2:28:15 PM   
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Think this looks pretty awesome. Only one gripe. No John Williams Superman Theme to be included even in the end titles? I know it is a reboot, but when you have iconic music like that it seems stupid to just ignore it. Hans Zimmer may be a good composer, but he's not exactly John Williams!

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RE: Snyder / Nolan Superman 2013 - 20/4/2013 2:32:15 PM   
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Wow very impressive trailer and not giving too much away either. I thought the score sounded fantastic, don't get me wrong Williams' score is iconic and much loved but after 5 films and 35 years we must move on.


What like Michael Giacchino and JJ Abrams did with Star Trek and the end credits? It's things like the music theme that keep some form of continuity: Mission: Impossible, James Bond, Star Wars etc.

I know why they do it, to wipe the slate clean, but when they hit on a truly iconic piece of music they should keep it, even if it is only used briefly like the Bond theme in Casino Royale.


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RE: Snyder / Nolan Superman 2013 - 20/4/2013 2:33:14 PM   
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I think this movie will be pretty good and far better than the very average Superman Returns. However, I doubt it will match Superman: The Movie, which for me is still THE best superhero movie ever.

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RE: Snyder / Nolan Superman 2013 - 20/4/2013 4:03:04 PM   
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Wow very impressive trailer and not giving too much away either. I thought the score sounded fantastic, don't get me wrong Williams' score is iconic and much loved but after 5 films and 35 years we must move on.


What like Michael Giacchino and JJ Abrams did with Star Trek and the end credits? It's things like the music theme that keep some form of continuity: Mission: Impossible, James Bond, Star Wars etc.

I know why they do it, to wipe the slate clean, but when they hit on a truly iconic piece of music they should keep it, even if it is only used briefly like the Bond theme in Casino Royale.



Superman existed before Williams' score though. You have Williams' score in the film all that does is tie it with "Donners" Superman.

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RE: Snyder / Nolan Superman 2013 - 20/4/2013 8:50:26 PM   
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Also I think the examples you give are massively different when compared with MoS, Star Wars is episodic in nature and a continuing story, so it would obviously make sense to keep the same score/theme of music.

Star Trek was a reboot but it was a reboot which had massive links to the original show telling us on screen these ARE your beloved characters but in an alternate timeline, then you add Nimoy in to the mix.

Then you have bond which is its own beast entirely. A franchise spanning 50 years and 23 films, incomparable to anything really.

Mission Impossible has never been rebooted so not quite sure what you on about with that one it has always had the Original theme from the show.


MoS is a true reboot but then is it even a reboot ? Or another different adaptation of a much beloved story if that's the case why have Williams' score ? The music didn't come from the comic. I love that music as much as the next person it's as Iconic as they come a truly rousing epic score but it makes complete sense to me for it not to be in this film.

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RE: Snyder / Nolan Superman 2013 - 20/4/2013 10:36:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Dirk MigglerMoS is a true reboot but then is it even a reboot ? Or another different adaptation of a much beloved story if that's the case why have Williams' score ? The music didn't come from the comic. I love that music as much as the next person it's as Iconic as they come a truly rousing epic score but it makes complete sense to me for it not to be in this film.


Mr Miggler, I absolutely agree and your points are superbly made.

I simply don't understand why people want the John Williams theme for a completely new beginning. It makes no sense whatsoever. People are always complaining that sequels and reboots are entirely repetitive and don't go anywhere new, yet they want the same fookin' music that has been used many times before. Work that one out!

Superman Returns was an attempt by Bryan Singer to recapture the essence of Richard Donner's films and it clearly didn't work too well. Y'see, when you use that music you're instantly associating a film with what came before. In Singer's case this was the intention, but it didn't work out, as it was referencing films that came out 20 years earlier and seemed stuck in a time warp that limited progression towards anything new or exciting. The Reeve films were mostly complete shit. Donner's first film is fantastic, and Williams' score is fantastic, but I think by the end of Superman 2 that era of things should have been put to rest. I'm not saying that the music has anything to do with the quality of the films (that would be ridiculous), but it is a part of the overall problem of binding things to what has come before, when clearly it was time for a major change.

Put it this way: If Hans Zimmer's score is that effective in a trailer, imagine what the complete score will be like in the final film, in context. I think most people won't even give the Williams theme a second thought when they're watching the film. It's all about context people. A score/soundtrack is always tailored for that particular film, so the Williams theme would probably be completely out of tune with the overall direction and tone of this movie.

I love John Williams' music, and I love his Superman theme. But it does not belong in an entirely new Superman.

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RE: Snyder / Nolan Superman 2013 - 21/4/2013 10:16:58 AM   
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It's been confirmed 148 mins running time...just in reply to those hoping its quite long, the trailers and marketing have blown me away, I cannot wait, I've watched the trailers 100s of times,

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RE: Snyder / Nolan Superman 2013 - 21/4/2013 8:28:03 PM   
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After seeing the first two trailers I was adamant that the film needs the Superman music to be Superman, however after seeing the latest trailer I've got round to the idea of it not being there. Trying not to get my hopes built up to much as have been left disappointed many times before with fantastic trailers and average films, but this does look pretty darn good.

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RE: Snyder / Nolan Superman 2013 - 21/4/2013 8:53:37 PM   
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Am I the only one not impress with the latest trailer?

I enjoyed Superman Returns but the latest trailer shows similiar themes. Maybe Warner Bros learnt their lesson by listening to complaints about Superman Returns. We got Green Lantern which is a straight forward no brainer action flick which people requested for a Superman film.

As for the William's score, well the same could be said about Tim Burton's Batman theme. Funny how people accept Zimmer's replacement soon after.

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RE: Snyder / Nolan Superman 2013 - 21/4/2013 9:44:55 PM   
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I enjoyed Superman Returns but the latest trailer shows similiar themes. Maybe Warner Bros learnt their lesson by listening to complaints about Superman Returns. We got Green Lantern which is a straight forward no brainer action flick which people requested for a Superman film.


Er....I don't want a "no brainer action flick". I think, from the look of this trailer, they've nailed the balance between human drama/emotion and epic looking action. I mean it's actually nice to see Superman punching someone on screen again. Also, Green Lantern is an awful example...that film was a turd.

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RE: Snyder / Nolan Superman 2013 - 21/4/2013 10:45:23 PM   
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Green Lantern was Warner Brothers attempt at making their own Marvel movie.

They got a director who had no style which could be viewed as his own. Allowing further movies to look similar once they get similar directors.
They hired an actor known for his comedic sensibilities hoping to get another Robert Downey Jr scenerio.
Constant input from the producers, most were only concerned about getting tonnes of merchandise out there.

Thing is when Marvel does this:
They pick directors who while they may not have a unique style, have previous work which hints that they can do great stuff with the character. Favreau = Made good family films, Letterier = Known for his action, Branagh = Work with Shakespeare, Johnston = Spielberg protege, Whedon = Great with ensembles. Martin Campbell had shown no desire to do a huge sci fi action film, and even when asked said he didn't like to work with CGI, on a film which contained tonnes of it.
There's only one Robert Downey Jr. and Marvel were unbelievably lucky they got him.
While Marvel films are run by committee, they're people who work within Marvel who get what the characters need and the best way to represent them. WB doesn't have that with DC films.

I'd also like to mention I think that while people complain about how DC films look dour and serious while they should follow Marvel's suit and be more light hearted and popcorn fun. I think each individual companies characters lend themselves to their approach they're taking.
Marvel's characters are much more human but with special abilities. They're more relatable and this leads to more 'fun' stories with more jokes and more crowd pleasing elements.
DC's characters always struck me more as Gods so emphasising the epic drama and conflict within those characters, into those films I think works.
Marvel's films/characters are more adventurers whilst DC's films/characters are(should be) tales of higher beings and ultimate heroism.

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RE: Snyder / Nolan Superman 2013 - 22/4/2013 9:35:06 AM   
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I enjoyed Superman Returns but the latest trailer shows similiar themes. Maybe Warner Bros learnt their lesson by listening to complaints about Superman Returns. We got Green Lantern which is a straight forward no brainer action flick which people requested for a Superman film.


Er....I don't want a "no brainer action flick". I think, from the look of this trailer, they've nailed the balance between human drama/emotion and epic looking action. I mean it's actually nice to see Superman punching someone on screen again. Also, Green Lantern is an awful example...that film was a turd.



I thought Green Lantern was a good example. People complained Superman Returns was a character piece and wanted a popcorn movie instead. We got Green Lantern which is just that and forgettable.

The only problem I had with Man Of Steel trailer is it doesn't distance itself enough from Returns theme. I don't mind it but other people will be put off by the lack of action. However comparing both MoS and Returns, returns look very dated.

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BFI IMAX tickets were just released, for anyone looking to see it there.

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