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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 27/4/2014 2:55:53 PM   
ElephantBoy

 

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Andrew Garfield is a terrible Spiderman/Peter Parker.


Still not seen either ASM films. I think Garfield is a much better actor than Toby Mcgaurie, but I think Remi did a really good job at least with the first couple of Spidey films.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 28/4/2014 7:38:14 AM   
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Andrew Garfield is a terrible Spiderman/Peter Parker.


Really I thought he was great but I think he's a great actor.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 28/4/2014 11:08:35 AM   
Chronicle

 

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I think he did a better job than Tobey Maguire. He was also very good in The Social Network.

Brian De Palma's Blow Out is better than Antonioni's Blow-up.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 28/4/2014 12:25:54 PM   
Dr Lenera

 

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I think Garfield is a good actor generally but just doesn't do Spiderman well, mind you the shoddy scripts don't help!

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 28/4/2014 12:28:34 PM   
Dr Lenera

 

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I think he did a better job than Tobey Maguire. He was also very good in The Social Network.

Brian De Palma's Blow Out is better than Antonioni's Blow-up.



Would agree with that, Blow Up might be an iconic film of its time but always seemed to me to be much ado about nothing in particular, and pretty dull too, Blow Out is far more rewatchable for a start.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 28/4/2014 1:20:13 PM   
ElephantBoy

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Chronicle

I think he did a better job than Tobey Maguire. He was also very good in The Social Network.

Brian De Palma's Blow Out is better than Antonioni's Blow-up.



Would agree with that, Blow Up might be an iconic film of its time but always seemed to me to be much ado about nothing in particular, and pretty dull too, Blow Out is far more rewatchable for a start.


Is Blow Out suposed to be a remake of Blow Up? If not then what's the link?

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 28/4/2014 7:41:20 PM   
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Prometheus is not a bad film, it's just disappointing. I don't know which is worse.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 28/4/2014 9:35:15 PM   
Whistler


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I like Prometheus a lot.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 28/4/2014 9:35:56 PM   
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Drive is probably the worst movie I have ever seen. I hated everything in that movie from the opening seconds until the end.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 29/4/2014 10:29:06 AM   
Vitamin F

 

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ORIGINAL: Chris Boomen

Drive is probably the worst movie I have ever seen. I hated everything in that movie from the opening seconds until the end.


WOW!
Worst ever? Hated everything?
WOW!

Can I ask what the best movie you've ever seen is, just as way of comparison?

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 29/4/2014 10:46:46 AM   
Chris Boomen

 

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ORIGINAL: Vitamin F


quote:

ORIGINAL: Chris Boomen

Drive is probably the worst movie I have ever seen. I hated everything in that movie from the opening seconds until the end.


WOW!
Worst ever? Hated everything?
WOW!

Can I ask what the best movie you've ever seen is, just as way of comparison?


Yeah. It may be a bit of an overstatement, because I have seen it so recently and most Adam Sandler movies are way worse, but I couldn't remember hating a movie so much in a long, long time. Probably not the worst movie ever, but my worst viewing experience.

As of now I'd say my favorite movies are:
(500) Days of Summer, Frozen/The Lion King, and The Dark Knight. All in their respective genres.

It was just that the Gosling character was so incredibly boring. He barely said anything, and when he started saying stuff it was so generic. Then about halfway through the movie he turned into a maniac and only started to say really messed up shit. His relationship with the woman was so boring as well, there was nothing that made me believe they liked (or in the end, loved) each other. Heck, that goes for about every character in the movie except Cranston, but I blame that to Cranston being just a terrific actor. The film was at times so noisy and so quiet at other times but I rarely found it to be about halfway on either of them. It also felt like they could have shortened the movie with about an hour, seeing as how slow paced the movie was overall, even normal driving scenes had to take minutes. Then there was also the blood and gore which did not fit with the rest of the movie. At all. The directing felt so sophisticated throughout the movie and then suddenly, everywhere Gosling went there was blood and gore.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 29/4/2014 10:58:41 AM   
Whistler


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Probably don't try Only God Forgives then, if you haven't already.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 29/4/2014 12:28:35 PM   
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I absolutely love Drive but I think it's down to the atmosphere of the film, rather than the story or characters (Cranston and Brooks aside).

And that OST.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 29/4/2014 12:55:59 PM   
rich


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Drive was a very average crime thriller but was well made. The Driver was a non entity for a reason though, and the violence was done appropriately for the character.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 29/4/2014 1:15:05 PM   
UTB


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Drive was a very average crime thriller but was well made.



Agree - I found it stylish but hollow. The only emotive factor for me was the soundtrack.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 29/4/2014 1:16:01 PM   
DONOVAN KURTWOOD


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The Amazing Spiderman 2 is awesome! Great sequel.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 29/4/2014 1:17:20 PM   
Whistler


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The Amazing Spiderman 2 is awesome! Great sequel.


Agreed. I really enjoyed it.

Also love Drive.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 29/4/2014 1:21:50 PM   
DONOVAN KURTWOOD


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The Amazing Spiderman 2 is awesome! Great sequel.


Agreed. I really enjoyed it.

Also love Drive.


You know what, coincidentally i rewatched Drive at the weekend, first time in a few years and enjoyed it more than any time before.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 29/4/2014 3:28:29 PM   
Chronicle

 

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I love Drive. It's definitely one of the best movies I have ever seen. It's just 100 minutes of awesomeness.

I like Nicolas Winding Refn other more experimental films (not all of them that much) but I really hope he makes another movie like Drive in his career. Same style and more straightforward than his other films, another story obviously.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 29/4/2014 4:35:01 PM   
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I was sniffy about Drive having enjoyed The Driver and being a snob, but I absolutely loved it, mainly because it was so simple and stylish and well made.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 30/4/2014 3:28:47 PM   
Drew_231

 

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I still think Valhalla Rising is Nicolas Windings Refns best work

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 30/4/2014 8:10:08 PM   
Cool Breeze


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Amazing Spider Man 2 was far from amazing.

Too long.Pretty boring in places.Too many villains/storylines, and yet another crap performance from Jamie Foxx.

Slight improvement on the first though.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 1/5/2014 11:44:47 AM   
mattjtemp


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I still think Valhalla Rising is Nicolas Windings Refns best work


I will check that out then, saw the poster on the Tube but never got round to watching


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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 2/5/2014 9:00:51 PM   
Vitamin F

 

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***** SPOILS *****


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ORIGINAL: Chris Boomen

It was just that the Gosling character was so incredibly boring. He barely said anything, and when he started saying stuff it was so generic. Then about halfway through the movie he turned into a maniac and only started to say really messed up shit. His relationship with the woman was so boring as well, there was nothing that made me believe they liked (or in the end, loved) each other. Heck, that goes for about every character in the movie except Cranston, but I blame that to Cranston being just a terrific actor. The film was at times so noisy and so quiet at other times but I rarely found it to be about halfway on either of them. It also felt like they could have shortened the movie with about an hour, seeing as how slow paced the movie was overall, even normal driving scenes had to take minutes. Then there was also the blood and gore which did not fit with the rest of the movie. At all. The directing felt so sophisticated throughout the movie and then suddenly, everywhere Gosling went there was blood and gore.



Fair enough points, and bizarrely most of the things you didn't like I actually enjoyed as a change to the normal pacing & noise of modern crime thrillers. Yeh, it's all just personal taste.

One argument I can't buy is the lack of emotion. The pre-heist scene, from Gosling and wife's talk in the diner about Standard's injuries (love the way it's menacing in style but couldn't be a more amiable meeting between 2 people!) to the dinner table with flashback scene, This one is bursting with emotion and emotional tension...between father & son, husband & wife, wife & driver, there's now even admiration between husband and 'new best friend'. How's that cold/unemotive/hollow? <delete as applicable>

I agree it's nothing more than a thin crime story, but the reason it's such a winner for me is that the simple has been turned into a compelling watch through direction that I like to think makes some of the old school directors go "I wish I'd that in MY repertoire!"

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 3/5/2014 12:55:53 PM   
Chris Boomen

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Vitamin F

***** SPOILS *****


quote:

ORIGINAL: Chris Boomen

It was just that the Gosling character was so incredibly boring. He barely said anything, and when he started saying stuff it was so generic. Then about halfway through the movie he turned into a maniac and only started to say really messed up shit. His relationship with the woman was so boring as well, there was nothing that made me believe they liked (or in the end, loved) each other. Heck, that goes for about every character in the movie except Cranston, but I blame that to Cranston being just a terrific actor. The film was at times so noisy and so quiet at other times but I rarely found it to be about halfway on either of them. It also felt like they could have shortened the movie with about an hour, seeing as how slow paced the movie was overall, even normal driving scenes had to take minutes. Then there was also the blood and gore which did not fit with the rest of the movie. At all. The directing felt so sophisticated throughout the movie and then suddenly, everywhere Gosling went there was blood and gore.



Fair enough points, and bizarrely most of the things you didn't like I actually enjoyed as a change to the normal pacing & noise of modern crime thrillers. Yeh, it's all just personal taste.

One argument I can't buy is the lack of emotion. The pre-heist scene, from Gosling and wife's talk in the diner about Standard's injuries (love the way it's menacing in style but couldn't be a more amiable meeting between 2 people!) to the dinner table with flashback scene, This one is bursting with emotion and emotional tension...between father & son, husband & wife, wife & driver, there's now even admiration between husband and 'new best friend'. How's that cold/unemotive/hollow? <delete as applicable>

I agree it's nothing more than a thin crime story, but the reason it's such a winner for me is that the simple has been turned into a compelling watch through direction that I like to think makes some of the old school directors go "I wish I'd that in MY repertoire!"


I didn't really say the movie had no emotion. The problem was that it felt unemotive because there was zero chemistry, between anyone in the movie. Cranston was the exception, though, his side of the relations in the movies felt true. Al other relations between every character were really unbelievable. Mostly Gosling and the girl. After sitting in a car, silently, staring outside and smiling, we were supposed to believe they had a great day. Their 'date' felt so unbelievably awkward. I understand that they wanted to make Gosling the silent type guy, but it wouldn't hurt him to say something once in a while. Saying stuff, other than doing stuff, adds to a characters personality greatly. But it wasn't only Gosling who had a problem speaking, every character had a problem talking. They all had their share of the awkwardness. They had nothing to talk about, because (in the first half of the movie) nothing really happened. There was no story. The movie may take 90 minutes of your life, but it is so slow-paced that barely anything really happens. That is no problem. Most action flicks fill their runtime with shooting and chase sequences. Drive didn't. Drive filled its runtime with slowly driving around and looking outside of the window.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 3/5/2014 8:08:03 PM   
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SPOILERS!!!!!

OK, DRIVE... I understand what everyone is saying about it, but for my money, the key to understanding the movie is in the theme song by the band College, I think it's called 'Real Human Being' or something...

(I'll get back to that...)

The Driver is emotionless for much of the movie. We don't know why, we presume there's something awful there. But you can't deny that he looks at Carey Mulligans character with something like sad longing and also connects with the little boy. But when the little boys father comes back, he willingly puts whatever he's feeling aside to help him. It doesn't end well.

So once the Dad is out of the way, he continues to help... but once they get in the lift and he sees the gun in the guys pocket, he knows he's going to have to do something bad and that's when he kisses her for the first and (probably) last time...

And the rest of the bad stuff happens, plenty bloody, you know the rest... and he may, or not, be dead at the end. He might get over his stomach-stabbing (personally, I doubt it) or it might be a fantasy sequence thing. Whatever.

And that's when the 'Real Human Being' song' makes sense. An emotionally-burned out man had the chance to be a, yes, 'real human being' with a woman and a child. He didn't, thanks to the machinations of the criminal world, and now he drives off to whatever.

Anyway, that's my silly little opinion about DRIVE, I'm sure it's been said before by finer minds than mine, I was just sayin'...

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 4/5/2014 8:28:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Dr Lenera

Andrew Garfield is a terrible Spiderman/Peter Parker.


Really I thought he was great but I think he's a great actor.


This representation of Spider-Man is far closer to the comic character (makes jokes etc. when he is Spider-Man) and personally I think that Garfield presents the character very well, far better than Maguire did.


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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 4/5/2014 12:56:52 PM   
Coyleone


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Drive is brilliant, one of my favourite films since the turn of the decade.

Talking of favourites since the new decade started, Calvary from this year is absolutely up there, as is Her.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 4/5/2014 1:02:42 PM   
rich


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quote:

ORIGINAL: sanchia


quote:

ORIGINAL: NCC1701A


quote:

ORIGINAL: Dr Lenera

Andrew Garfield is a terrible Spiderman/Peter Parker.


Really I thought he was great but I think he's a great actor.


This representation of Spider-Man is far closer to the comic character (makes jokes etc. when he is Spider-Man) and personally I think that Garfield presents the character very well, far better than Maguire did.



I'm with these other guys, Garfield's Peter Parker just comes off as a prick - Spidey quips or not. In no hurry to see the sequel.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 4/5/2014 1:03:55 PM   
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I'm with the Garfield is a great Spidey crew.

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