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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 20/9/2013 10:35:18 PM   
Coyleone


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ORIGINAL: Jonezy123

Ok, here goes:

Every film made before 1968 sucks. 2001 A Space Odyssey was the first ever good film.

The only good James Bond is Daniel Craig.

Man of Steel is a terrible film

As is Star Trek Into Darkness

CGI should be banned and replaced by Star Wars-esque models.

Michael Bay is the anti-Christ

The greatest trilogy ever is the Matrix




Oh my god at the first one. Genuinely one of the most terrible things I've read on here lol.

Also, Pain And Gain is actually one of the most awful, self indulgent, incoherent, dull, overly long, unfunny, structurally terrible messes I've ever seen.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 20/9/2013 10:36:59 PM   
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Touché Will. True they did. But the CGI belongs in the Matrix films and the films couldn't exist without it. However films like Man of Steel don't need it, and in fact were probably ruined by it. Nolans Batman trilogy proves you can make great films with minimal use. Don't get me wrong I actually like films like Pacific Rim which can't exist without it CGI, I object to unnecessary use, or overuse. It can limit creativity and I do hark for the days of the original Total Recall when so much was model work and cheap computer effects which were maximised to actually work, admittedly in a now dated way.

2001 is a great film. An unbelievably mind expanding film considering it was released before man stood on the moon.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 20/9/2013 10:55:28 PM   
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in retrospect, considering I expect to post many times on this board, I do take back comment one. I'm not a troll, honest. Obviously there were many great films released before 1968. I just don't enjoy most films from these eras. So it should have been worded differently.

And I've thought of an exception; Dr Strangelove. But only because it was way ahead of its time.

I just prefer the films I grew up with in the 80s and 90s, modern films and classics from the 70s; a decade which seems to have produced more classics than any other.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 20/9/2013 10:55:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Jonezy123

Touché Will. True they did. But the CGI belongs in the Matrix films and the films couldn't exist without it. However films like Man of Steel don't need it, and in fact were probably ruined by it. Nolans Batman trilogy proves you can make great films with minimal use. Don't get me wrong I actually like films like Pacific Rim which can't exist without it CGI, I object to unnecessary use, or overuse. It can limit creativity and I do hark for the days of the original Total Recall when so much was model work and cheap computer effects which were maximised to actually work, admittedly in a now dated way.



But you did say it should be banned. I know you were probably being hyperbolical, but you kinda contradicted yourself there

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 21/9/2013 10:26:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze

The Fast And Furious series is a much better action movie franchise than the James Bond series.


The Fast & furious franchise is a load of middling to terrible films, slightly redeemed by number 5 then back to another stinker in number 6.
Even the worst of James Bond (A view to a kill IMHO) is better than 2Fast2Furious or Tokyo Drift.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 21/9/2013 10:28:42 AM   
snaze1


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Jonezy123

Touché Will. True they did. But the CGI belongs in the Matrix films and the films couldn't exist without it. However films like Man of Steel don't need it, and in fact were probably ruined by it. Nolans Batman trilogy proves you can make great films with minimal use. Don't get me wrong I actually like films like Pacific Rim which can't exist without it CGI, I object to unnecessary use, or overuse. It can limit creativity and I do hark for the days of the original Total Recall when so much was model work and cheap computer effects which were maximised to actually work, admittedly in a now dated way.

2001 is a great film. An unbelievably mind expanding film considering it was released before man stood on the moon.


I think the problem is just badly done CGI.
Just my opinion, but 2001 is overhyped, overblown, pretentious bollocks!

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 21/9/2013 2:30:02 PM   
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As mentioned i am not a fan of 2001 (in my opinion it is a bad film and at the end of the day all views of cinema are opinion). It looks stunning but the very poor pacing and bland acting just drain any iota of enjoyment out of the film.

It is impossible to factually state that films prior to a given date are bad or lacking although you can prefer films which originate after a given date. For example A Matter of Life or Death from 1946 is a masterpiece and that is from 1946 but at the same time I can see why some would dislike it.

On the CGI aspect, really good CGI is the stuff you do not even realise are CGI like the Enterprise Salt cellar in Star Trek, or the bullets zipping through the water in the battle scene of Saving Private Ryan, or pretty much any of the exterior shots in Zodiac.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 21/9/2013 3:09:45 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: musht


quote:

ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze

The Fast And Furious series is a much better action movie franchise than the James Bond series.


No. I haven't seen Fast 4 or 6 but out of the others that I have seen I would this only really applies to 5 and even at that it depends on what you want from your action movie. I think Bond wins by pure numbers, because there are enough great Bond movies to cancel out the bad (Moore ) ones


Funnily enough, the latest entries in both franchises were predominantly set in london, but while Skyfall was turgid and boring, Fast 6 was the best action movie since, well...Fast Five!

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 21/9/2013 3:17:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Jonezy123
The greatest trilogy ever is the Matrix


Toy Story wants a word with you.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 21/9/2013 4:24:15 PM   
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I'm not sure whether this is unpopular but I think this year has been a relatively poor year for films. I've seen over 40 films at the cinema alone and I struggle to put together a top ten so far. So many disappointments. Of course this is all subjective but I can't help but feel it has been a below par year up until now.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 21/9/2013 5:28:53 PM   
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quote:

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I'm not sure whether this is unpopular but I think this year has been a relatively poor year for films. I've seen over 40 films at the cinema alone and I struggle to put together a top ten so far. So many disappointments. Of course this is all subjective but I can't help but feel it has been a below par year up until now.


I'm with you, this year has been rubbish. I am struggling to come up with a top ten this year too.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 21/9/2013 6:34:35 PM   
snaze1


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quote:

ORIGINAL: superdan


quote:

ORIGINAL: Jonezy123
The greatest trilogy ever is the Matrix


Toy Story wants a word with you.


So does jason Bourne

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 21/9/2013 6:35:45 PM   
snaze1


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze


quote:

ORIGINAL: musht


quote:

ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze

The Fast And Furious series is a much better action movie franchise than the James Bond series.


No. I haven't seen Fast 4 or 6 but out of the others that I have seen I would this only really applies to 5 and even at that it depends on what you want from your action movie. I think Bond wins by pure numbers, because there are enough great Bond movies to cancel out the bad (Moore ) ones


Funnily enough, the latest entries in both franchises were predominantly set in london, but while Skyfall was turgid and boring, Fast 6 was the best action movie since, well...Fast Five!


Only if you are 13 years old

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 21/9/2013 8:43:43 PM   
Jonezy123

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: snaze1


quote:

ORIGINAL: superdan


quote:

ORIGINAL: Jonezy123
The greatest trilogy ever is the Matrix


Toy Story wants a word with you.


So does jason Bourne



To date nobody has ever agreed with me on this! But I stand by it. I absolutely love the trilogy; first of all it's a very rare example of proper hardcore sci-fi being filmed, and also being successful. Very advanced ideas in those films. Also a great bad guy in Agent Smith, a superb good guy in Neo and there's even room for a love story throughout the action and adventure. You just can't fault them.

Toy Story is obviously great and named by Dr Kermode as the best. But The Matrix pees all over it from a height ;)


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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 21/9/2013 10:41:13 PM   
sanchia


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The first Matrix in particular was a revelation offering something new and invigorating. Sadly in two and three it vanished up its own bottom (although I remember someone on here a few years ago who extolled the virtue of it and explained you did not understand its brilliance unless you had played the game, read the books and virtually everything else out there on the subject).

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 21/9/2013 10:56:38 PM   
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Personally I think The Naked Gun trilogy achieves more than any other trilogy EVER in that I actually want to see them all repeatedly. I don't think there's another (Bourne included, Ultimatum wasn't that great) that does this for me. And before anyone argues, does Ultimatum contain an entire auditorium of people slapping their own forehead in one go creating the greatest smack sound ever? No. So fuck off.


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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 21/9/2013 11:00:41 PM   
musht


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quote:

ORIGINAL: UTB

Personally I think The Naked Gun trilogy achieves more than any other trilogy EVER in that I actually want to see them all repeatedly. I don't think there's another (Bourne included, Ultimatum wasn't that great) that does this for me. And before anyone argues, does Ultimatum contain an entire auditorium of people slapping their own forehead in one go creating the greatest smack sound ever? No. So fuck off.




It's on the DVD extras

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 23/9/2013 3:03:57 PM   
shool


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze


quote:

ORIGINAL: musht


quote:

ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze

The Fast And Furious series is a much better action movie franchise than the James Bond series.


No. I haven't seen Fast 4 or 6 but out of the others that I have seen I would this only really applies to 5 and even at that it depends on what you want from your action movie. I think Bond wins by pure numbers, because there are enough great Bond movies to cancel out the bad (Moore ) ones


Funnily enough, the latest entries in both franchises were predominantly set in london, but while Skyfall was turgid and boring, Fast 6 was the best action movie since, well...Fast Five!


I've only seen Fast Fave and Fast 6. They were both AMAZING! in a this is such a bad film but is so massively entertaining I just dont care kind of way. I think Fast 6 is the last film I laughed out loud in delight at by the ridculousness/awesomeness on screen.
I hear that these have really rejuvenated the franchise so I'm not sure if dipping into the previous catalogue would be able to match these two. Recomendations welcome.

However I couldnt ever say they were better than the Bond franchise. They are also 2 completely different animals.


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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 23/9/2013 3:17:14 PM   
musht


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quote:

ORIGINAL: shool


quote:

ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze


quote:

ORIGINAL: musht


quote:

ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze

The Fast And Furious series is a much better action movie franchise than the James Bond series.


No. I haven't seen Fast 4 or 6 but out of the others that I have seen I would this only really applies to 5 and even at that it depends on what you want from your action movie. I think Bond wins by pure numbers, because there are enough great Bond movies to cancel out the bad (Moore ) ones


Funnily enough, the latest entries in both franchises were predominantly set in london, but while Skyfall was turgid and boring, Fast 6 was the best action movie since, well...Fast Five!


I've only seen Fast Fave and Fast 6. They were both AMAZING! in a this is such a bad film but is so massively entertaining I just dont care kind of way. I think Fast 6 is the last film I laughed out loud in delight at by the ridculousness/awesomeness on screen.
I hear that these have really rejuvenated the franchise so I'm not sure if dipping into the previous catalogue would be able to match these two. Recomendations welcome.

However I couldnt ever say they were better than the Bond franchise. They are also 2 completely different animals.



1, 2, and 3 aren't anything like 4, 5, and 6. The first 3 are more focused on drag racing with some gang stuff mixed in whereas the rest are ... well, just off the leash batshit crazy!!! I think you'd be surprised and disappointed if you watched 1, 2, and 3.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 23/9/2013 5:35:40 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: UTB

Personally I think The Naked Gun trilogy achieves more than any other trilogy EVER in that I actually want to see them all repeatedly. I don't think there's another (Bourne included, Ultimatum wasn't that great) that does this for me. And before anyone argues, does Ultimatum contain an entire auditorium of people slapping their own forehead in one go creating the greatest smack sound ever? No. So fuck off.




So much this. (am I allowed to use that phrase at my age )
I enjoyed the Matrix, and the 2 that followed (still can't being myself round to calling them a trilogy) but great trilogies can't have a really weak part IMO.
Not if you compared it to Romero's Dead trilogy, LOTR, Toy Story or Spy Kids (and I mean that, I love those films)


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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 23/9/2013 7:46:20 PM   
Mr Gittes

 

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The film is still a western classic and one of John Wayne's best, but the ending of Rio Bravo is a big fat letdown.

SPOILER ALERT

I mean, not ONE casualty on the heroes' side? Not even Stumpy? Come on! The movie's steadily inflating balloon of tension is unceremoniously popped in a ridiculous climax where the heroes defeat the villains in a far too easy, one-hand-tied-behind-back manner. I mean, for crying out loud, they're actually laughing and having a contest of who's the best shot while fighting! Piss off.

I'm not sure if that's an unpopular opinion or not, but people often talk about the film as if it's flawless, whereas they'll slate, say, any Spielberg flick for having a cop-out ending - not that he's innocent of this, of course, but in some cases the criticism is way overblown (especially when compared to Rio Bravo; I think War Of The Worlds is the only one to annoy me more).

Again, it's a classic, but The Wild Bunch kicks its head in.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 23/9/2013 8:47:04 PM   
Mister Coe

 

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The Fast And Furious series is a much better action movie franchise than the James Bond series.


To say that the F+F franchise is better than Bond is like saying One Direction are better than The Beatles...

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 23/9/2013 9:13:21 PM   
Whistler


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Shifty Bench


quote:

ORIGINAL: justfontaine

I'm not sure whether this is unpopular but I think this year has been a relatively poor year for films. I've seen over 40 films at the cinema alone and I struggle to put together a top ten so far. So many disappointments. Of course this is all subjective but I can't help but feel it has been a below par year up until now.


I'm with you, this year has been rubbish. I am struggling to come up with a top ten this year too.


Django Unchained
Les Mis
Mud
Stuck In Love
The Way, Way Back
Lincoln
The Conjuring
Bernie
Stoker
Zero Dark Thirty
Ain't Them Bodies Saints
Star Trek Into Darkness
Behind The Candelabra
Kick-Ass 2
The Impossible
This Is The End
Pacific Rim
Oz The Great And Powerful
Flight
The Croods

There's 20. Easy

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 23/9/2013 9:21:07 PM   
garvielloken


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Leviathan
Only God Forgives
Man of Steel
Upstream Color
A Field in England
Stories We Tell
Zero Dark Thirty
Mud
Pacific Rim
Trance
Stoker
Django Unchained
The Iceman
Wreck-It Ralph

The top 5 are incredible and the rest are excellent so it's been a good year so far. I always find there is 10 to 20 films out each year that I love. Everybody should check out Leviathan, it's amazing.

EDIT - I'm really looking forward to Computer Chess and Frances Ha too. Both of them look very interesting.


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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 24/9/2013 1:23:54 PM   
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There's definitely been some great films this year. Beyond The Hills is one of the best films since the turn of the decade for me and Before Midnight might be one of my favourites ever.

If we're talking about mainstream films, then yeah, of course it's been pretty poor. The only real mainstream films I've liked are Star Trek and Pacific Rim, the later of which is in my top 10.

Beyond The Hills
Before Midnight
Only God Forgives
Place Beyond The Pines
Field In England

That'd be my top 5 so far, but then there's some others that are fighting for a place in there like To The Wonder, The Way Way Back and New World. Mud, Sleep Tight and Stoker I also liked a lot. I've got so much to catch up on too including all the great sounding foreign movies that have been out so far and stuff like Upstream Colour.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 24/9/2013 1:59:16 PM   
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Iron Man 3 is the best Marvel movie yet. It also has the best script/ dialogue of any Marvel movie.

Shane Black is a VASTLY superior writer to Joss Whedon.

The script/ dialogue of The Avengers is not great and pretty embarassing at times. Particularly the moments where our heroes are trying to sound tough.



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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 24/9/2013 2:13:28 PM   
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I've got so much to catch up on too including all the great sounding foreign movies that have been out so far and stuff like Upstream Colour.



It's totes amazeballs.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 24/9/2013 2:51:05 PM   
Shifty Bench

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Whistler


quote:

ORIGINAL: Shifty Bench


quote:

ORIGINAL: justfontaine

I'm not sure whether this is unpopular but I think this year has been a relatively poor year for films. I've seen over 40 films at the cinema alone and I struggle to put together a top ten so far. So many disappointments. Of course this is all subjective but I can't help but feel it has been a below par year up until now.


I'm with you, this year has been rubbish. I am struggling to come up with a top ten this year too.


Django Unchained
Les Mis
Mud
Stuck In Love
The Way, Way Back
Lincoln
The Conjuring
Bernie
Stoker
Zero Dark Thirty
Ain't Them Bodies Saints
Star Trek Into Darkness
Behind The Candelabra
Kick-Ass 2
The Impossible
This Is The End
Pacific Rim
Oz The Great And Powerful
Flight
The Croods

There's 20. Easy


Two of them in particular can kiss my arse and won't be in my top ten. The rest I have yet to see so my list will change come the end of the year.


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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 24/9/2013 7:36:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DONOVAN KURTWOOD

Iron Man 3 is the best Marvel movie yet. It also has the best script/ dialogue of any Marvel movie.

Shane Black is a VASTLY superior writer to Joss Whedon.

The script/ dialogue of The Avengers is not great and pretty embarassing at times. Particularly the moments where our heroes are trying to sound tough.




Agree completely with the above. Iron Man 3 was a a blast, a homerun for Black on all counts.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 24/9/2013 7:58:03 PM   
sanchia


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The main problem I had with Iron Man 3 was it came across a little too much as if they came up with the finale and then wrote the rest of the film around it.

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