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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 30/7/2013 2:38:35 PM   
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X Men Origins: Wolverine is better than The Wolverine and First Class.

Edward Norton is the best movie Bruce Banner and the depiction of the Hulk in the 2008 film was way better than its portrayal in The Avengers.

Django Unchained is next to Death Proof as one of Tarantinos weakest films.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 30/7/2013 5:00:15 PM   
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X Men Origins: Wolverine is better than The Wolverine and First Class.

Edward Norton is the best movie Bruce Banner and the depiction of the Hulk in the 2008 film was way better than its portrayal in The Avengers.

Django Unchained is next to Death Proof as one of Tarantinos weakest films.


Not seen The Wolverine, but Origins is a truly terrible film, whether or not you consider it to be a waste of pretty much every character involved ("Let's set it in a generic location during the 1980s - not that you'll see many references to the date - despite the fact he's over 100 years old making far more interesting settings available") and an affront to both real and its own logic (adamantium bullets, yay!).

I also don't understand the love First Class gets - it was adequate but rushed. There were hints at something great in there (I really enjoyed the opening scene in German). I preferred The Last Stand over it (just about), and X2 over that.

I think Norton was a decent Banner, but Ruffalo made the role his own. Until The Avengers the 2003 Hulk was my favourite Hulk, in terms of appearance at least. The 2008 incarnation was too muddy-green and sinewy for my liking.

I enjoyed Django Unchained to a degree but I think that was mainly down to Waltz, so it probably is in the lower reaches of QT's work for me too. I still fancy watching it again, which is more than can be said of Death Proof where twice is more than enough: Kurt Russell was the only thing that made it bearable for me.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 30/7/2013 5:16:56 PM   
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I don't get the hype around Hot Fuzz at all.

The World's End is alright, I rather enjoyed it but saw it as a satire really, rather than a laugh out loud comedy. Although the ending is a butchered mess.



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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 30/7/2013 5:41:10 PM   
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X Men Origins: Wolverine is better than The Wolverine and First Class.


I've not seen The Wolverine and I don't have much time for First Class, but Origins is rivalled only by Ghost Rider: Spirit Of Vengeance and Catwoman as the worst superhero film since X-Men came out in 2000. It is terrible. I'd rather watch a triple bill of Green Lantern, Blade:Trinity and Elektra than Origins.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 30/7/2013 5:53:26 PM   
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First Class is the only X-Men film I've liked so far. Just not a fan. The Woverine was alright.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 30/7/2013 7:14:27 PM   
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I kind of enjoyed Spring Breakers (long time since I was so impressed with the filming and style of a movie)

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 30/7/2013 9:14:22 PM   
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First Class is the only X-Men film I've liked so far. Just not a fan. The Woverine was alright.

Whoa. What about X2? I'm not a comics guy by any means, but I love it.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 30/7/2013 9:16:43 PM   
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Wild At Heart is great!

Agreed.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 30/7/2013 9:22:57 PM   
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First Class is the only X-Men film I've liked so far. Just not a fan. The Woverine was alright.

Whoa. What about X2? I'm not a comics guy by any means, but I love it.


Nope. I don't hate it or anything, just doesn't do anything for me.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 30/7/2013 9:26:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Whistler


quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr Gittes


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ORIGINAL: Whistler

First Class is the only X-Men film I've liked so far. Just not a fan. The Woverine was alright.

Whoa. What about X2? I'm not a comics guy by any means, but I love it.


Nope. I don't hate it or anything, just doesn't do anything for me.

Fair enough.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 31/7/2013 7:52:33 AM   
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Beverly Hills Cop II is my favourite of the series.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 31/7/2013 11:23:23 AM   
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Scott Pilgrim falls flat on its face so hard it breaks its own neck. It is the opposite of everything it set out to be. I don't hate it, it just spends so much time and effort trying to be 'fun' and 'cool' and 'quirky' (presumably so teenagers will enjoy it?) that it forgets to attempt to engage in any way that isn't superficial. I haven't got time for something so shallow.

Also, the first two X-Men films are not, and never were anything of noteable worth.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 31/7/2013 11:46:47 AM   
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Beverly Hills Cop II is my favourite of the series.


Mine too! It finds the perfect middle ground between the more relaxed, humour-heavy feel of the first one and the action-orientated, less funny approach of the third. And being a Tony Scott film, it looks the best too.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 31/7/2013 11:55:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Oroborous

Scott Pilgrim falls flat on its face so hard it breaks its own neck. It is the opposite of everything it set out to be. I don't hate it, it just spends so much time and effort trying to be 'fun' and 'cool' and 'quirky' (presumably so teenagers will enjoy it?) that it forgets to attempt to engage in any way that isn't superficial. I haven't got time for something so shallow.



But that's exactly what the comics are like. It judges the tone of it perfectly.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 31/7/2013 6:14:03 PM   
Oroborous

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Whistler


quote:

ORIGINAL: Oroborous

Scott Pilgrim falls flat on its face so hard it breaks its own neck. It is the opposite of everything it set out to be. I don't hate it, it just spends so much time and effort trying to be 'fun' and 'cool' and 'quirky' (presumably so teenagers will enjoy it?) that it forgets to attempt to engage in any way that isn't superficial. I haven't got time for something so shallow.



But that's exactly what the comics are like. It judges the tone of it perfectly.


So... the comics were shallow, superficial and dull, and it's a good thing that those aspects were translated to the film? I'm sorry, but if the source material is seriously flawed, an adaption shouldn't blindly and purposefully incorporate the same flaws, it should improve on them. You say it judges the tone perfectly, but that's not difficult when it's monotone.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 31/7/2013 6:50:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Oroborous


quote:

ORIGINAL: Whistler


quote:

ORIGINAL: Oroborous

Scott Pilgrim falls flat on its face so hard it breaks its own neck. It is the opposite of everything it set out to be. I don't hate it, it just spends so much time and effort trying to be 'fun' and 'cool' and 'quirky' (presumably so teenagers will enjoy it?) that it forgets to attempt to engage in any way that isn't superficial. I haven't got time for something so shallow.



But that's exactly what the comics are like. It judges the tone of it perfectly.


So... the comics were shallow, superficial and dull, and it's a good thing that those aspects were translated to the film? I'm sorry, but if the source material is seriously flawed, an adaption shouldn't blindly and purposefully incorporate the same flaws, it should improve on them. You say it judges the tone perfectly, but that's not difficult when it's monotone.


Did I source material is seriously flawed? I don't remember saying that.

Obviously I was defending the thing, therefore obviously I was referring to the fun, cool and quirky aspects. The comics are silly, a bit weird and, yes, fun, and the film adopts that tone wonderfully. You can't say the comics are monotone when you haven't read them.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 31/7/2013 6:58:23 PM   
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What works in one medium does not necessarily work the same in another. Personally I find casting issues are my main issue.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 1/8/2013 10:42:19 AM   
Oroborous

 

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Did I source material is seriously flawed? I don't remember saying that.

Obviously I was defending the thing, therefore obviously I was referring to the fun, cool and quirky aspects. The comics are silly, a bit weird and, yes, fun, and the film adopts that tone wonderfully. You can't say the comics are monotone when you haven't read them.


Yes, you did say that. I put forward the major flaws I saw in the film, specifically how in it's rigorous attempt to appeal on a superficial level it fails to be engaging, and thus implying that it is not fun and cool (I said it tries to be these things, not that it succeeds). Then you replied saying 'that's exactly what the comics are like', implying that the comics suffer from the same flaws. It's right there in your post. In addition, I have not read the comics, but you have and you said the film judges the tone of them perfectly, and as the film is completely montonous, I was just taking your word for it that the comic must be also.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 1/8/2013 10:52:23 AM   
Whistler


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ORIGINAL: Oroborous


quote:

ORIGINAL: Whistler

Did I source material is seriously flawed? I don't remember saying that.

Obviously I was defending the thing, therefore obviously I was referring to the fun, cool and quirky aspects. The comics are silly, a bit weird and, yes, fun, and the film adopts that tone wonderfully. You can't say the comics are monotone when you haven't read them.


Yes, you did say that. I put forward the major flaws I saw in the film, specifically how in it's rigorous attempt to appeal on a superficial level it fails to be engaging, and thus implying that it is not fun and cool (I said it tries to be these things, not that it succeeds). Then you replied saying 'that's exactly what the comics are like', implying that the comics suffer from the same flaws. It's right there in your post. In addition, I have not read the comics, but you have and you said the film judges the tone of them perfectly, and as the film is completely montonous, I was just taking your word for it that the comic must be also.


Okay I'll admit my comment was a little ambiguous and I should've highlighted the part I was referring to, but I thought through context it was pretty clear I was defending the film (not to mention that a few posts prior I said I loved it),

If you'll read that earlier post, I said I love Scott Pilgrim but understand why it doesn't work for everybody. I understand why it doesn't work for you - I'm not trying to change your mind - I'm just saying I like the comics and the film, which for me is a good adaptation.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 1/8/2013 11:35:03 AM   
Oroborous

 

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ORIGINAL: Whistler

Okay I'll admit my comment was a little ambiguous and I should've highlighted the part I was referring to, but I thought through context it was pretty clear I was defending the film (not to mention that a few posts prior I said I loved it),

If you'll read that earlier post, I said I love Scott Pilgrim but understand why it doesn't work for everybody. I understand why it doesn't work for you - I'm not trying to change your mind - I'm just saying I like the comics and the film, which for me is a good adaptation.


It was pretty clear, I was just being a git, I sincerely apologise. Let's move on...

Unpopularity:
-I don't really care all that much for E.T.
-The Hurt Locker is a very underwhelming film
-Sunshine is a bad sci-fi film that shoots itself in the foot
-Taxi Driver is the only scorsese film that left an impression on me
Screw it, I'll do some positive ones...
-Kingdom of Heaven (the director's cut) is a worthwhile film (I can't remember exactly how worthwhile, I haven't seen it in a while)
-The Fountain is almost a masterpiece
-The New World is one of Terrence Malick's best films
-Pocahontas is one of the best Disney cartoons
-Peter Jackson's King Kong is a great film
-John Carter isn't a terrible film
-The Transformers series only starting being terrible with the second one
-The original Conan the Barbarian film is great because of it's soundtrack
-Superman Returns and Man of Steel are still a lot better than Superman 2

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 1/8/2013 12:42:42 PM   
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On Scott Pilgrim, I view it as a purely visual experience. Nothing else. And on that level, it succeeds in my opinion.

I think this is why I didn't like The World's End. Not enough heart.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 1/8/2013 12:51:16 PM   
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quote:

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On Scott Pilgrim, I view it as a purely visual experience. Nothing else. And on that level, it succeeds in my opinion.



A film needs to be more than visually impressive to work though, right?

I guess Scott Pilgrim does work on that level, but what does it matter when the central couple are a pair of unlikeable douches?

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 1/8/2013 1:06:49 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MonsterCat

quote:

ORIGINAL: jcthefirst

On Scott Pilgrim, I view it as a purely visual experience. Nothing else. And on that level, it succeeds in my opinion.



A film needs to be more than visually impressive to work though, right?

I guess Scott Pilgrim does work on that level, but what does it matter when the central couple are a pair of unlikeable douches?


The central romance of the film doesn't really concern me too much, and the secondary charatcers are likeable and funny enough that it outweighs the douchiness of Scott and Ramona.

It's all the stuff around them I like.

But it's all surface. Scratch the surface, and there's just more surface underneath.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 1/8/2013 1:12:04 PM   
Dr Lenera

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Oroborous

quote:

ORIGINAL: Whistler

Okay I'll admit my comment was a little ambiguous and I should've highlighted the part I was referring to, but I thought through context it was pretty clear I was defending the film (not to mention that a few posts prior I said I loved it),

If you'll read that earlier post, I said I love Scott Pilgrim but understand why it doesn't work for everybody. I understand why it doesn't work for you - I'm not trying to change your mind - I'm just saying I like the comics and the film, which for me is a good adaptation.


It was pretty clear, I was just being a git, I sincerely apologise. Let's move on...

Unpopularity:
-I don't really care all that much for E.T.
-The Hurt Locker is a very underwhelming film
-Sunshine is a bad sci-fi film that shoots itself in the foot
-Taxi Driver is the only scorsese film that left an impression on me
Screw it, I'll do some positive ones...
-Kingdom of Heaven (the director's cut) is a worthwhile film (I can't remember exactly how worthwhile, I haven't seen it in a while)
-The Fountain is almost a masterpiece
-The New World is one of Terrence Malick's best films
-Pocahontas is one of the best Disney cartoons
-Peter Jackson's King Kong is a great film
-John Carter isn't a terrible film
-The Transformers series only starting being terrible with the second one
-The original Conan the Barbarian film is great because of it's soundtrack
-Superman Returns and Man of Steel are still a lot better than Superman 2


Agree with the ones I've highlighted. And I'd almost agree with you regarding Pocahontas [I'd have it in the top 15 Disney animation though not top 10]. Though I'd remove the word 'almost' regarding The Fountain.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 1/8/2013 8:56:53 PM   
Mister Coe

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Oroborous

quote:

ORIGINAL: Whistler

Okay I'll admit my comment was a little ambiguous and I should've highlighted the part I was referring to, but I thought through context it was pretty clear I was defending the film (not to mention that a few posts prior I said I loved it),

If you'll read that earlier post, I said I love Scott Pilgrim but understand why it doesn't work for everybody. I understand why it doesn't work for you - I'm not trying to change your mind - I'm just saying I like the comics and the film, which for me is a good adaptation.


It was pretty clear, I was just being a git, I sincerely apologise. Let's move on...

Unpopularity:
-I don't really care all that much for E.T.
-The Hurt Locker is a very underwhelming film
-Sunshine is a bad sci-fi film that shoots itself in the foot
-Taxi Driver is the only scorsese film that left an impression on me
Screw it, I'll do some positive ones...
-Kingdom of Heaven (the director's cut) is a worthwhile film (I can't remember exactly how worthwhile, I haven't seen it in a while)
-The Fountain is almost a masterpiece

-The New World is one of Terrence Malick's best films
-Pocahontas is one of the best Disney cartoons
-Peter Jackson's King Kong is a great film
-John Carter isn't a terrible film
-The Transformers series only starting being terrible with the second one
-The original Conan the Barbarian film is great because of it's soundtrack
-Superman Returns and Man of Steel are still a lot better than Superman 2


There are the ones I agree with, some good calls there.

But after the Superman thing... outside, you and me, NOW!





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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 4/8/2013 4:56:30 PM   
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Just some quick thought ones;

Only God Forgives is far too hampered by its own self importance to make a real impact.
Terminator 2 runs out of steam after the break in at Dyson's lab.
Die Hard With A Vengeance is almost as good as the first entry.
There hasn't been hardly any truly successful third acts in big blockbusters and action films in many years
Except for The Raid which is the best action film of the past ten years


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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 5/8/2013 12:03:21 AM   
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I'll also say that ONLY GOD FORGIVES was very disappointing after the masterpiece that was DRIVE...



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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 5/8/2013 10:20:33 AM   
Oroborous

 

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Just some quick thought ones;

Only God Forgives is far too hampered by its own self importance to make a real impact.
Terminator 2 runs out of steam after the break in at Dyson's lab.
Die Hard With A Vengeance is almost as good as the first entry.
There hasn't been hardly any truly successful third acts in big blockbusters and action films in many years
Except for The Raid which is the best action film of the past ten years



That's a good point, third acts seem to dissapoint so often... it's why a lot of these 'films' leave a stale taste in the mouth when they're done.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 5/8/2013 11:38:17 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: justfontaine

Just some quick thought ones;

Only God Forgives is far too hampered by its own self importance to make a real impact.
Terminator 2 runs out of steam after the break in at Dyson's lab.
Die Hard With A Vengeance is almost as good as the first entry.
There hasn't been hardly any truly successful third acts in big blockbusters and action films in many years
Except for The Raid which is the best action film of the past ten years




Completey disagree.The third acts of blockbusters like Avengers Assemble, The Dark Knight films, Avatar,Dredd, Inception and many more have great pay offs in their third acts.

And The Raid wasnt even the best action movie of last year, let alone the last decade!

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 5/8/2013 11:42:38 AM   
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I'll also say that ONLY GOD FORGIVES was very disappointing after the masterpiece that was DRIVE...




Yeah. I'll hold out for a second viewing, but it didn't work for me...much as I wanted to love it. It was closer in tone to Valhalla Rising, which I didn't really enjoy.

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