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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 25/6/2013 4:55:06 PM   
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I'm intrigued to see how the sequel deals with the whole 'secret' identity thing. In the Reeves ones you could get away with it but Man Of Steel didn't really present a world in which friends, colleagues and the public at large would be fooled by slightly different hair and a pair of bloody specs.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 25/6/2013 10:32:04 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: horribleives

I'm intrigued to see how the sequel deals with the whole 'secret' identity thing. In the Reeves ones you could get away with it but Man Of Steel didn't really present a world in which friends, colleagues and the public at large would be fooled by slightly different hair and a pair of bloody specs.


I guess some people expected Superman to use the '' super magic kiss '' on Lois to make her forget his real identity.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 25/6/2013 11:04:13 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze


quote:

ORIGINAL: horribleives

I'm intrigued to see how the sequel deals with the whole 'secret' identity thing. In the Reeves ones you could get away with it but Man Of Steel didn't really present a world in which friends, colleagues and the public at large would be fooled by slightly different hair and a pair of bloody specs.


I guess some people expected Superman to use the '' super magic kiss '' on Lois to make her forget his real identity.


Superman 2 is, without a doubt, my favourite Superman movie but even when I watched that as a little kid, I thought 'well... that's ridiculous...'

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 25/6/2013 11:13:01 PM   
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The Clark Kent secret identity has never made much sense, but people don't really care that much, it just gets away with it. I don't think MoS 2 will dwell on it too much.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 25/6/2013 11:36:01 PM   
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The Clark Kent secret identity has never made much sense, but people don't really care that much, it just gets away with it. I don't think MoS 2 will dwell on it too much.


THIS

I really hope that the writers and director don't even mention it or try to explain it. It's a hallmark of the character, whenever someone asks 'how comes no-one ever notices him? lolz' I just think that's someone trying to make a joke or tiny nitpick. Same as when people ask why hulks shorts don't rip when he transforms (Simon Pegg has a pretty funny reply to that once, he said 'Because you'd see his cock! A big, giant, green cock!').
I don't care that people don't notice who clark is, it's a nice little touch from the golden age of comics that's sweet and works. I enjoy the naivety. Don't try and explain it because some over-analysing moron needs an explanation. Leave it alone.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 26/6/2013 12:49:33 AM   
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Oh don't get me wrong, I can happily go along with it, I was just curious as to how that particular suspension of disbelief would fit in with the slightly more realistic Nolan-ified reality presented in Man Of Steel. It (the whole secret identity thing) just seemed like one of the elements they would have discarded along with the tights, s-curl and silly red underpants.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 26/6/2013 8:55:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: horribleives

Oh don't get me wrong, I can happily go along with it, I was just curious as to how that particular suspension of disbelief would fit in with the slightly more realistic Nolan-ified reality presented in Man Of Steel. It (the whole secret identity thing) just seemed like one of the elements they would have discarded along with the tights, s-curl and silly red underpants.

He is still wearing tights. or rather a tights suit...or a sexy wet suit ?... Just saying.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 26/6/2013 4:42:58 PM   
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Will state though, when I first started wearing contacts, my work colleagues never realised that I had brown eyes before. So I can quite imagine people not recognising another because they wore specs.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 26/6/2013 7:54:52 PM   
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Hans Zimmers Man of Steel theme is FAR superior to John Williams Superman theme.



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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 26/6/2013 8:36:22 PM   
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Hans Zimmers Man of Steel theme is FAR superior to John Williams Superman theme.



Bull and shit.

I accept that you have different opinions on a lot of things. Sometimes I laugh at the differences. But this, this is one thing I know you are not convinced of yourself. The John Williams theme is iconic. Trashes Zimmers (regardless of the effort). I cant even remember the tune of MoS, infact the only other superhero theme I can remember other than Superman The Movie is Elfmans Spiderman, and the two bwwwwwuuuuuuum BWAAAAAAAM notes of the Batman films.

No damn way is MoS theme better than Williams!

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 26/6/2013 8:43:54 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Dannybohy

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I must be the only person on here to think the action and the last hour or so of MOS was the best part. Mainly because the first half and the origin sections were so bad it could only get better . But seriously, Superman punching other aliens through buildings n' stuff was the only enjoyment I got out of it really, and I did enjoy that quite a lot. The superman aspects I like well enough to put it over IM3. IM3 wasn't bad like this was in parts, but it didn't have anything 'great', it was a mediocre film. I thought MOS had enough great moments for me to want to watch it again. Non of the great moments include anything from the pre-Superman portion of the film for me though which I guess fits in with this thread.


Consistency is the key! IM3 and indeed all the IM movies have consistently excellent CGi. Where as Man of Steel feels like multiple different effects teams made different parts with no central quality control. The effects for the heat vision was excellent, as where SOME of the Krypton scenes and a couple of the Superman in flight parts, but the effects for say the Superman Vs world machine tentacle thing and many of the Superman flying or moving fast where Harry Potter quidich bad.


All the issues I had with MoS were in the first half. Mostly because of pacing issues and jarring between scenes which have already been picked up on. A major thing was the bit where he "becomes" Superman. I think ive read birthright so I understood where the plot came from - its just he puts on the suit, jumps around a bit and then he is away.

While i didnt mind the convenient way in which Zod arrives before Superman reveals himself I didnt feel as though he had fully grown and understood himself. Superman The Movie did this wonderfully, with a young clark kent transforming in to Superman after going on some wonderful trippy journey with Jor El. And then he flies off into the screen. It was a little clumsy in MoS.

The last hour - no complaints at all. I loved it. It even had the cape whips and pulls that I expected (and was dissapointed not to see) in TDKR. Fucking right on the button. It was exhilarating - and different. The climax with Zod was perfect. Not only does it make sense, but it presents a different side to Superman than we have seen previously.

Seriously, while Singer and co had some artsy fartsy side of things, that team really have to be a bit embarrassed by Returns. MoS smashed it, really goddamn delivered.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 26/6/2013 10:03:44 PM   
Cool Breeze


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quote:

ORIGINAL: kumar


quote:

ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze

Hans Zimmers Man of Steel theme is FAR superior to John Williams Superman theme.



Bull and shit.

I accept that you have different opinions on a lot of things. Sometimes I laugh at the differences. But this, this is one thing I know you are not convinced of yourself. The John Williams theme is iconic. Trashes Zimmers (regardless of the effort). I cant even remember the tune of MoS, infact the only other superhero theme I can remember other than Superman The Movie is Elfmans Spiderman, and the two bwwwwwuuuuuuum BWAAAAAAAM notes of the Batman films.

No damn way is MoS theme better than Williams!


Here you go....http://youtu.be/EngKxF3Cqh4

I love the Williams theme and it is indeed iconic but it has had 35 years to become iconic.

I just prefer Zimmers theme better!

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 26/6/2013 10:21:54 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kumar


quote:

ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze

Hans Zimmers Man of Steel theme is FAR superior to John Williams Superman theme.



Bull and shit.

I accept that you have different opinions on a lot of things. Sometimes I laugh at the differences. But this, this is one thing I know you are not convinced of yourself. The John Williams theme is iconic. Trashes Zimmers (regardless of the effort). I cant even remember the tune of MoS, infact the only other superhero theme I can remember other than Superman The Movie is Elfmans Spiderman, and the two bwwwwwuuuuuuum BWAAAAAAAM notes of the Batman films.

No damn way is MoS theme better than Williams!


Exactly, John Williams pisses all over Hans Zimmer with almost every single score he does. The 1978 Superman theme is one of the best pieces of film music ever composed. I can hum that off the top of my head. The Zimmer one I just listened to and can barely remember. Also-

quote:

I love the Williams theme and it is indeed iconic but it has had 35 years to become iconic.


This is true but it was bloody great and memorable even back then. I remember singing it with a towel wrapped round my neck when I was a kid, it is just one of those scores. I guarantee the Zimmer one won't be as loved 35 years from now, it probably won't even be remembered. Now, you can love it and even prefer it all you want but to claim it is the better composed piece of music of the two is pretty out there. Even for you.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 26/6/2013 10:31:35 PM   
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WIlliams' Superman theme is iconic, and I love it, as I do most of his work. However, I do much, much prefer Hans Zimmers Man Of Steel themes. I also prefer ZImmers Batman themes to those of Danny Elfman. I still rate Zimmers Inception work as one of the best scores of the last ten years, it's superb. I don't think Cool Breeze is dismissing WIlliams' Superman themes as any less than great, he's just stating his 'Unpopular Opinion' that he prefers the new Zimmer themes. I agree. I fucking love Zimmers recent output.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 26/6/2013 10:38:15 PM   
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I cant remember either Williams score or Zimmers.
So..

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 26/6/2013 10:47:04 PM   
Shifty Bench

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: porntrooper

WIlliams' Superman theme is iconic, and I love it, as I do most of his work. However, I do much, much prefer Hans Zimmers Man Of Steel themes. I also prefer ZImmers Batman themes to those of Danny Elfman. I still rate Zimmers Inception work as one of the best scores of the last ten years, it's superb. I don't think Cool Breeze is dismissing WIlliams' Superman themes as any less than great, he's just stating his 'Unpopular Opinion' that he prefers the new Zimmer themes. I agree. I fucking love Zimmers recent output.


Yeah, I get the concept of the thread, thanks

It is when he uses terms like 'FAR superior' he is stating Zimmer's work is the better composed piece of the two. From a musical standpoint, it most certainly is not. And I did say he can prefer it all he wants, as can you, but making bold statements like it is 'FAR superior' is a bit much. It is 'unpopular opinion' not 'this is fact'.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 26/6/2013 10:56:24 PM   
porntrooper

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Shifty Bench


quote:

ORIGINAL: porntrooper

WIlliams' Superman theme is iconic, and I love it, as I do most of his work. However, I do much, much prefer Hans Zimmers Man Of Steel themes. I also prefer ZImmers Batman themes to those of Danny Elfman. I still rate Zimmers Inception work as one of the best scores of the last ten years, it's superb. I don't think Cool Breeze is dismissing WIlliams' Superman themes as any less than great, he's just stating his 'Unpopular Opinion' that he prefers the new Zimmer themes. I agree. I fucking love Zimmers recent output.


Yeah, I get the concept of the thread, thanks

It is when he uses terms like 'FAR superior' he is stating Zimmer's work is the better composed piece of the two. From a musical standpoint, it most certainly is not. And I did say he can prefer it all he wants, as can you, but making bold statements like it is 'FAR superior' is a bit much. It is 'unpopular opinion' not 'this is fact'.


Well, okay...

Zimmers MoS theme is far superior to John Williams theme from Superman. Bold statement of fact or unpopular opinion?
I think Zimmers MoS theme is far superior to John Williams theme from Superman. Bold statement of fact or unpopular opinion?

Do we (even Cool Breeze) really need to reduce ourselves to having to stick 'in my opinion', or 'I think' into every statement just to ensure people don't misunderstand our opinions for statements of facts? C'mon. I know it's Cool Breeze, but some peoples reactions to his opinion are a bit OTT.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 26/6/2013 11:00:26 PM   
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Now you are assuming I am reacting this way because it was Cool Breeze who said it, which is not true. MonsterCat, Hood Man or any number of the people I like here could have said it and I'd just as quickly disagree with them. I have no problem with you yet I disagree with you saying it. It was what was said, rather than who said it.

(not starting another argument, just making something clear )

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 27/6/2013 11:23:09 AM   
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quote:

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Will state though, when I first started wearing contacts, my work colleagues never realised that I had brown eyes before. So I can quite imagine people not recognising another because they wore specs.



When I first got glasses I didn't tell any of my friends I was getting them, so I went to London to meet a friend of mine outside her local tube station. It was a quiet street and I was the only person standing outside. My friend, who I had known for about 3 years at this point, walked straight past me and I had to shout after her.

So whilst it is a stretch of the imagination that nobody would cotton on to his disguise, It is certainly a vaguely believable concept.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 27/6/2013 9:57:37 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: porntrooper

WIlliams' Superman theme is iconic, and I love it, as I do most of his work. However, I do much, much prefer Hans Zimmers Man Of Steel themes. I also prefer ZImmers Batman themes to those of Danny Elfman. I still rate Zimmers Inception work as one of the best scores of the last ten years, it's superb. I don't think Cool Breeze is dismissing WIlliams' Superman themes as any less than great, he's just stating his 'Unpopular Opinion' that he prefers the new Zimmer themes. I agree. I fucking love Zimmers recent output.


Thanks for the support porntrooper.Yeah you pretty much sum up what i mean when i say i prefer Zimmers Superman music over Williams.It does not mean i dislike Williams Superman music, far from it, i think its great.Its just at this moment i happen to prefer Zimmers music.When Clark starts his first day at the daily planet and '' introduces '' himself to Lois, he has finally finished his journey in becoming Superman and when the music swells to that great theme as the MAN OF STEEL title appears, it is soaring stuff and very, very inspiring to me anyway.

Now if only Shifty wouldnt get his undies in a twist for someone actually having a different opinion

By the way, while i am here i also want to say that i think Michael Giacchinos Star Trek theme is superior to every one that has come before it.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 27/6/2013 10:03:31 PM   
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Now if only Shifty wouldnt get his undies in a twist for someone actually having a different opinion



The needle on my irony detector just went off the scale.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 28/6/2013 5:39:40 PM   
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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 28/6/2013 8:42:59 PM   
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This summer at the box office is action overload.


Most summers are. Unless you mean more so than usual?!

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 30/6/2013 11:55:52 AM   
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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 30/6/2013 4:42:51 PM   
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Just some opinions.

Robert DeNiro CAN do comedy. And very well.
Damon Lindelof should not be allowed near a typewriter ever again. (This probably isn't unpopular though)
Ridley Scott's American Gangster is one of the best films of the past decade and sorely underrated
Iron Man 3 is Marvel's best film so far
Man of Steel is unwatchable for long periods.
J.J. Abrams is becoming a very impressive director... he just doesn't know how to end a film yet.
Darren Aronofsky eclipsed almost every other American director working today after Black swan.
Django Unchained was a convoluted, self aggrandising mess.




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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 30/6/2013 5:10:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: justfontaine

Just some opinions.

Robert DeNiro CAN do comedy. And very well.Damon Lindelof should not be allowed near a typewriter ever again. (This probably isn't unpopular though)
Ridley Scott's American Gangster is one of the best films of the past decade and sorely underrated
Iron Man 3 is Marvel's best film so farMan of Steel is unwatchable for long periods.
J.J. Abrams is becoming a very impressive director... he just doesn't know how to end a film yet.
Darren Aronofsky eclipsed almost every other American director working today after Black swan.
Django Unchained was a convoluted, self aggrandising mess.





Your not wrong on that one as anyone who has ever seen the brilliant Midnight run will tell you.
As for your Marvel/Iron man 3 comment - Its not even the best Iron man film, let alone best Marvel!

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 30/6/2013 10:03:41 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: snaze1


quote:

ORIGINAL: justfontaine

Just some opinions.

Robert DeNiro CAN do comedy. And very well.Damon Lindelof should not be allowed near a typewriter ever again. (This probably isn't unpopular though)
Ridley Scott's American Gangster is one of the best films of the past decade and sorely underrated
Iron Man 3 is Marvel's best film so farMan of Steel is unwatchable for long periods.
J.J. Abrams is becoming a very impressive director... he just doesn't know how to end a film yet.
Darren Aronofsky eclipsed almost every other American director working today after Black swan.
Django Unchained was a convoluted, self aggrandising mess.





Your not wrong on that one as anyone who has ever seen the brilliant Midnight run will tell you.
As for your Marvel/Iron man 3 comment - Its not even the best Iron man film, let alone best Marvel!


DeNiro CAN do comedy... but when the script is bad, it can make me weep. That bit in MEET THE PARENTS 3 when he took a pill and got an erection poking in his shorts... jesus, RAGING BULL never looked so far away...

But MIDNIGHT RUN is fucking brilliant.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 30/6/2013 10:16:14 PM   
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Back to the Zimmer/Williams debate...

I generally like Zimmer's and Williams' scores equally. Williams will forever be one of the greatest film composers of all time, and nothing but nothing can touch the likes of Back To The Future, Jaws, Star Wars or Indy, but I kind of agree with CB on the Man Of Steel score. I wouldn't go so far as to say Zimmer's score is far superior to Williams' (it's not), but I really love that soundtrack and the Superman theme has never been one of my favourites.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 1/7/2013 12:49:46 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Whistler

Back to the Zimmer/Williams debate...

I generally like Zimmer's and Williams' scores equally. Williams will forever be one of the greatest film composers of all time, and nothing but nothing can touch the likes of Back To The Future, Jaws, Star Wars or Indy, but I kind of agree with CB on the Man Of Steel score. I wouldn't go so far as to say Zimmer's score is far superior to Williams' (it's not), but I really love that soundtrack and the Superman theme has never been one of my favourites.


Williams did not do the music for Back To The Future.That was Alan Silvestri.

But i appreciate your opinion on the matter regardless.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 1/7/2013 12:58:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze


quote:

ORIGINAL: Whistler

Back to the Zimmer/Williams debate...

I generally like Zimmer's and Williams' scores equally. Williams will forever be one of the greatest film composers of all time, and nothing but nothing can touch the likes of Back To The Future, Jaws, Star Wars or Indy, but I kind of agree with CB on the Man Of Steel score. I wouldn't go so far as to say Zimmer's score is far superior to Williams' (it's not), but I really love that soundtrack and the Superman theme has never been one of my favourites.


Williams did not do the music for Back To The Future.That was Alan Silvestri.

But i appreciate your opinion on the matter regardless.


Well that's embarrassing... I always think it's Williams because it sounds so similar to his other scores, and it's equally as awesome. But that's still embarrassing.

Regardless, nothing can touch it

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