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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 22/2/2013 2:53:46 PM   
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I can continue on that route...

I read Heinleins Starship Troopers last summer.
At that moment Starship Troopers the movie. went from one of the most entertaining ever made to one of the worst ever made.


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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 22/2/2013 3:14:43 PM   
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Just finished reading Peter Benchley JAWS and I have to say I now prefer it to the movie.
Now,I'm not saying the Spielberg film is rubbish,its obviously not,but Benchleys story just had alot more going for it.
Characters were (to pardon the pun) more fleshed out,and no more so with Brodys wife Ellen.
I'm not going to spoil the book though.I just now prefer it to the movie.


Wow! Thats unpopular!
I didnt really like the Hooper/Ellen affair story, it kind of tainted my view of Hooper who was my film hero growing up (along with Indy, obviously) I agree with your fleshing out of the characters bit though, although it is always going to be easier in a book than on screen.
I think Speilberg did a better job getting rid of the flab, and certainly the ending in the film was better, in my opinion obviously. The ending in the book was just a bit flat for me.
Certainly Benchley wasn't impressed with Spielberg (and Carl Gottlieb's) handling of the book, hence his beach cameo as the reporter (to soften it for him) although I think he was quite frosty about the whole thing.
Admittedly I've only read the book twice, and seen the film about 100 times. I knew the film off-by-heart before I read the book, so it was only going to be a let-down in comparison.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 22/2/2013 3:23:25 PM   
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I'd agree with most of that. Jaws comes fairly high in the worst book/best film list for me - Benchley's writing is IMO dreadful, the story flat, the affair stuff just so badly written. The film script is a masterclass in taking a turd and making it shine

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 22/2/2013 3:26:49 PM   
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Just finished reading Peter Benchley JAWS and I have to say I now prefer it to the movie.
Now,I'm not saying the Spielberg film is rubbish,its obviously not,but Benchleys story just had alot more going for it.
Characters were (to pardon the pun) more fleshed out,and no more so with Brodys wife Ellen.
I'm not going to spoil the book though.I just now prefer it to the movie.


But......the book is awful

(obviously my opinion)


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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 22/2/2013 3:30:43 PM   
OPEN YOUR EYES

 

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ORIGINAL: jonson


quote:

ORIGINAL: OPEN YOUR EYES

Just finished reading Peter Benchley JAWS and I have to say I now prefer it to the movie.
Now,I'm not saying the Spielberg film is rubbish,its obviously not,but Benchleys story just had alot more going for it.
Characters were (to pardon the pun) more fleshed out,and no more so with Brodys wife Ellen.
I'm not going to spoil the book though.I just now prefer it to the movie.


Wow! Thats unpopular!
I didnt really like the Hooper/Ellen affair story, it kind of tainted my view of Hooper who was my film hero growing up (along with Indy, obviously) I agree with your fleshing out of the characters bit though, although it is always going to be easier in a book than on screen.
I think Speilberg did a better job getting rid of the flab, and certainly the ending in the film was better, in my opinion obviously. The ending in the book was just a bit flat for me.
Certainly Benchley wasn't impressed with Spielberg (and Carl Gottlieb's) handling of the book, hence his beach cameo as the reporter (to soften it for him) although I think he was quite frosty about the whole thing.
Admittedly I've only read the book twice, and seen the film about 100 times. I knew the film off-by-heart before I read the book, so it was only going to be a let-down in comparison.


Interesting.I really like the Hooper and Ellen affair,and I really enjoyed the fact that Ellen was so caught up in the past and was finding it difficult in dealing with her relationship with Brody and the kids.
The setting of the book was much more grounded to.The situation concerning the fact that Amity was really gearing up for a great,prosperous wealthy summer due to it coinciding with a country still reeling away from the recession.The fact that the towns council were willing to risk lives for wealth in keeping the beach open was startlingly cold.Also the fact that the towns mare was indeep with his own financial indifference and promises. And in the mist of all this was a great White uncharacteristically roaming the shore.

I also dont think any of the main characters were much different from there film counterparts.The book just obviously gave those characters more freedom and depth.Hooper seemed much the same guy as Dreyfuss depicted in the film,Brody In the book was maybe alittle more dry and aggressive but again was not much different while Quint in the book was possibly more interesting,for me.

Though I agree the ending in the book was flat and seemed somewhat rushed.

elab49,Shifty Bench,I guess I really am alone on this.
Not saying the books great ,and it is written in a basic manner,but I just think it gave depth to certain characters that the film depicted in a rather brash,simple manner.
Also don't me to harsh on the book.Without it the film would have never existed.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 22/2/2013 4:45:22 PM   
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Not saying the books great ,and it is written in a basic manner,but I just think it gave depth to certain characters that the film depicted in a rather brash,simple manner.
Also don't me to harsh on the book.Without it the film would have never existed.


Very true - it's his sole get-out clause

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 22/2/2013 4:48:13 PM   
OPEN YOUR EYES

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: OPEN YOUR EYES

Not saying the books great ,and it is written in a basic manner,but I just think it gave depth to certain characters that the film depicted in a rather brash,simple manner.
Also don't be to harsh on the book.Without it the film would have never existed.


Very true - it's his sole get-out clause

?
Also,Spielberg must have liked the book for him to,y'know,direct it.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 22/2/2013 5:03:14 PM   
elab49


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I'm not sure that's necessarily a truism. No idea whether it's true here. but a director/screenplay chappie could see a kernel of an idea that can be removed from a duff source and made into a great film. Liking the book isn't an absolute pre-requisite.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 22/2/2013 5:10:49 PM   
OPEN YOUR EYES

 

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I'm not sure that's necessarily a truism. No idea whether it's true here. but a director/screenplay chappie could see a kernel of an idea that can be removed from a duff source and made into a great film. Liking the book isn't an absolute pre-requisite.


Hmm,true.But I think read some that Spielberg did/does enjoy the book.


So,whats your gripes with the book?
You sound like you have deep-seeded issues with it?


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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 22/2/2013 5:13:58 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: OPEN YOUR EYES


quote:

ORIGINAL: elab49


quote:

ORIGINAL: OPEN YOUR EYES

Not saying the books great ,and it is written in a basic manner,but I just think it gave depth to certain characters that the film depicted in a rather brash,simple manner.
Also don't be to harsh on the book.Without it the film would have never existed.


Very true - it's his sole get-out clause

?
Also,Spielberg must have liked the book for him to,y'know,direct it.


It was David Brown's (the producer of Jaws) wife (the Cosmopolitan Editor) who suggested the book to him, before it was even published. I think Speilberg had gone on record saying he didn't like the book, and wanted to rip it apart, hence Benchley's annoyance.
Spielberg didn't like any of the book's characters and subsequently wanted the shark to win


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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 22/2/2013 5:17:32 PM   
elab49


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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: elab49

I'm not sure that's necessarily a truism. No idea whether it's true here. but a director/screenplay chappie could see a kernel of an idea that can be removed from a duff source and made into a great film. Liking the book isn't an absolute pre-requisite.


Hmm,true.But I think read some that Spielberg did/does enjoy the book.


So,whats your gripes with the book?
You sound like you have deep-seeded issues with it?



No, I just think it's really badly written. Not quite Dan Brown levels of bad, but in bad need of an editor to do something with the stodgy writing.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 22/2/2013 5:18:00 PM   
OPEN YOUR EYES

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: jonson


quote:

ORIGINAL: OPEN YOUR EYES


quote:

ORIGINAL: elab49


quote:

ORIGINAL: OPEN YOUR EYES

Not saying the books great ,and it is written in a basic manner,but I just think it gave depth to certain characters that the film depicted in a rather brash,simple manner.
Also don't be to harsh on the book.Without it the film would have never existed.


Very true - it's his sole get-out clause

?
Also,Spielberg must have liked the book for him to,y'know,direct it.


It was David Brown's (the producer of Jaws) wife (the Cosmopolitan Editor) who suggested the book to him, before it was even published. I think Speilberg had gone on record saying he didn't like the book, and wanted to rip it apart, hence Benchley's annoyance.
Spielberg didn't like any of the book's characters and subsequently wanted the shark to win



Hmm,I still think I read somewhere that Spielberg did enjoy the book

The character thing is odd though.Because I saw only little differences in what was on screen and what was in the book.
Spielberg must have liked them in some form because they're practically the same.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 22/2/2013 5:19:26 PM   
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I wouldn't say exactly the same but I think you're right, there is a strong read across in terms of some of the characters.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 22/2/2013 5:20:38 PM   
OPEN YOUR EYES

 

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ORIGINAL: elab49


quote:

ORIGINAL: OPEN YOUR EYES

quote:

ORIGINAL: elab49

I'm not sure that's necessarily a truism. No idea whether it's true here. but a director/screenplay chappie could see a kernel of an idea that can be removed from a duff source and made into a great film. Liking the book isn't an absolute pre-requisite.


Hmm,true.But I think read some that Spielberg did/does enjoy the book.


So,whats your gripes with the book?
You sound like you have deep-seeded issues with it?



No, I just think it's really badly written. Not quite Dan Brown levels of bad, but in bad need of an editor to do something with the stodgy writing.


Agree on something then.
Though,I was tempted to read Da Vinci a while back.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 22/2/2013 5:25:01 PM   
elab49


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quote:

ORIGINAL: OPEN YOUR EYES

quote:

ORIGINAL: elab49


quote:

ORIGINAL: OPEN YOUR EYES

quote:

ORIGINAL: elab49

I'm not sure that's necessarily a truism. No idea whether it's true here. but a director/screenplay chappie could see a kernel of an idea that can be removed from a duff source and made into a great film. Liking the book isn't an absolute pre-requisite.


Hmm,true.But I think read some that Spielberg did/does enjoy the book.


So,whats your gripes with the book?
You sound like you have deep-seeded issues with it?



No, I just think it's really badly written. Not quite Dan Brown levels of bad, but in bad need of an editor to do something with the stodgy writing.


Agree on something then.
Though,I was tempted to read Da Vinci a while back.


Save yourself - burn your house down with the book in it.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 22/2/2013 5:32:16 PM   
OPEN YOUR EYES

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: elab49


quote:

ORIGINAL: OPEN YOUR EYES

quote:

ORIGINAL: elab49


quote:

ORIGINAL: OPEN YOUR EYES

quote:

ORIGINAL: elab49

I'm not sure that's necessarily a truism. No idea whether it's true here. but a director/screenplay chappie could see a kernel of an idea that can be removed from a duff source and made into a great film. Liking the book isn't an absolute pre-requisite.


Hmm,true.But I think read some that Spielberg did/does enjoy the book.


So,whats your gripes with the book?
You sound like you have deep-seeded issues with it?



No, I just think it's really badly written. Not quite Dan Brown levels of bad, but in bad need of an editor to do something with the stodgy writing.


Agree on something then.
Though,I was tempted to read Da Vinci a while back.


Save yourself - burn your house down with the book in it.



Reading JAWS did get me thinking (again) of adaptions.
Minor JAWS,has there been another adaption where it's better than its main source (book)?

I was considering watching The Road ,with the book being one of my favorites,and thinking if there was any point.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 22/2/2013 5:33:13 PM   
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I would - I think that's one where you can happily appreciate both

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 22/2/2013 5:36:53 PM   
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I would - I think that's one where you can happily appreciate both


Hmm,I might also add that I get abit anal when it come to adaptions.I am more of a book lover than a film lover,to some extent.

But eventually I will watch The Road.It seemed to have gotten great praise so that should make me feel confident atleast.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 22/2/2013 6:51:55 PM   
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The Godfather. The book is a shitty piece of pulp with a worrying obsession with Sonny Corleone's penis.

(The Road is one of the worst-written pieces of godawful crap that I've ever read which features no narrative, but merely a list of things that happen. And a poorly spelt and punctuated list at that, and the movie was just incredibly boring... can not understand the acclaim for either of them. So I guess if you like the book, you'll like the film )

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 23/2/2013 6:49:45 PM   
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I would - I think that's one where you can happily appreciate both


Hmm,I might also add that I get abit anal when it come to adaptions.I am more of a book lover than a film lover,to some extent.

But eventually I will watch The Road.It seemed to have gotten great praise so that should make me feel confident atleast.


You should definitely watch The Road, it's every bit as good as the book.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 23/2/2013 7:38:17 PM   
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I don't know how unpopular this is, but Skyfall isn't even the best Daniel Craig Bond film...

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 23/2/2013 10:22:51 PM   
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I don't know how unpopular this is, but Skyfall isn't even the best Daniel Craig Bond film...


Jesus Christ monkey balls,you've read my mind.

Just finished watching Skyfall and although its a good film the praise and ,dare I say hype, was very very Ott.
I actually thought it was rather predictable.
My only major interest was Daniel Craig who I thought was a very good Bond.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 23/2/2013 10:49:19 PM   
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I love Skyfall, but I do still prefer Casino Royale. Just.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 24/2/2013 11:02:43 AM   
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Yeah I'm in two minds about it as well. I loved both films, but I think Casino just about pips Skyfall.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 24/2/2013 11:22:02 AM   
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I don't know how unpopular this is, but Skyfall isn't even the best Daniel Craig Bond film...


THIS!

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 24/2/2013 11:23:01 AM   
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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 24/2/2013 1:40:26 PM   
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Quantum of Solace is the Craig's best Bond film. Then CR, and then Skyfall. They're very close though.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 24/2/2013 8:32:15 PM   
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Quantum of Solace is the worst Craig Bond film. Skyfall is my favourite but I'm not really a huge Bond fan anyway.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 24/2/2013 8:38:53 PM   
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I like all three. QOS watched right after CR is immense.

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RE: YOUR UNPOPULAR OPINION!! - 24/2/2013 11:53:40 PM   
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I've not watched Skyfall yet, but I reckon QoS is not as bad as it's made out to be. I rather liked it.

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