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RE: Star Wars Original Theatrical Releases! - 31/8/2006 5:14:51 PM   
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I've already got the box set from 2004, luckily I only paid £26 for it, so I don't mind buying these ones, although I don't want to pay £45 for them. I've never seen the originals, so the question is, are they worth owning? I'm not bothered about the technical aspects of the things, although the lack of extras does put me off.

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RE: Star Wars Original Theatrical Releases! - 31/8/2006 5:19:45 PM   
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If you have never seen the originals, Rotary, then I would say they're not really worth buying for someone who hasn't seen them.  There were of course things added to the SEs (dialogue, actors in the OT being replaced with actors from the prequels, CGI) but if you haven't seen the originals, I wouldn't really see any point.  The disagreements with the additions to the SEs is what is making most of the people want to shell out for the originals and of course, people who just want to see the film the way they originally seen it.  However, it's your £45 and if you want to buy them go ahead, but you're paying for the SEs again and no extras.  It depends on how you feel about shelling out for them.   

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RE: Star Wars Original Theatrical Releases! - 31/8/2006 5:41:13 PM   
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£45?  You can fuck right off.  Personally I think people who want to buy older versions of films Lucas spent years fixing are missing the cheese from their cracker.  I might rent them just out of curiousity but never buy them.  It's funny how SW fans moan about all these releases and then another comes along and you're all "Ooh I'm gonna buy that one, innit!"



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RE: Star Wars Original Theatrical Releases! - 31/8/2006 5:51:49 PM   
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£45?  You can fuck right off.  Personally I think people who want to buy older version of films Lucas spent years fixing are missing the cheese from their cracker.  I might rent them just out of curiousity but never buy them.  It's funny how SW fans moan about all these releases and then another comes along and you're all "Ooh I'm gonna buy that one, innit!"


Well, when I can get 4 new Special Editions that have sufficient extras to tempt me to part with my cash for £45 too, that are coming out in the next month, that's what made me cancel my order with amazon.co.uk.  I had got them ordered for about 2 months before I decided to cancel my order, but I don't regret it.  I'm not saying anybody is stupid for ordering these, but personally I know myself come the day these would arrive in the post, I would feel slightly foolish for spending £45 that would have been better spent elsewhere.  I do feel I am spending it better elsewhere and don't feel I'm missing out.   

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RE: Star Wars Original Theatrical Releases! - 31/8/2006 6:37:03 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: steelydan3

If you have never seen the originals, Rotary, then I would say they're not really worth buying for someone who hasn't seen them.  There were of course things added to the SEs (dialogue, actors in the OT being replaced with actors from the prequels, CGI) but if you haven't seen the originals, I wouldn't really see any point.  The disagreements with the additions to the SEs is what is making most of the people want to shell out for the originals and of course, people who just want to see the film the way they originally seen it.  However, it's your £45 and if you want to buy them go ahead, but you're paying for the SEs again and no extras.  It depends on how you feel about shelling out for them.   


Ah ok, I'll keep my money in my pocket. Thanks.

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RE: Star Wars Original Theatrical Releases! - 31/8/2006 6:43:55 PM   
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Fuck it, I ordered them because I want to. The menus looks cool too, check them for ANH and Empire on the official site 

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RE: Star Wars Original Theatrical Releases! - 31/8/2006 7:50:46 PM   
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Why is everybody quoting £45? The discs are £9 each on Amazon.com...

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I don't understand that's all-how if they master them from the Laserdisc will they actually be better than the laserdisc? 

They're not mastering them from the Laserdisc, they're using the same masters that they used to make the Laserdiscs. DVD arguably has better picture quality (at least to my eye) than Laserdisc, therefore DVDs will look better than the Laserdisc versions did.

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RE: Star Wars Original Theatrical Releases! - 31/8/2006 8:19:47 PM   
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Current price is £13.99 Ruffkut on amazon.co.uk, and $17.18 on amazon.com.  When I ordered mine, before I cancelled it, my order came to over 45 quid.  Sorry, as well, using the masters that they used for the laserdisc was what I meant.  DVD has a better picture quality, but I don't think putting it on DVD immediately makes it better does it, I mean is there something that makes the picture quality improve?  I thought films on DVD would just have the quality of what they're mastered from and only restoring them would make them better? 

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RE: Star Wars Original Theatrical Releases! - 31/8/2006 8:24:53 PM   
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To hell, with the DVDs, look what I just came across-



Darth Vader boxers off amazon.com!

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RE: Star Wars Original Theatrical Releases! - 31/8/2006 8:33:27 PM   
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I dunno whether to buy these DVDS or wait for the rumoured 6 dvd box set to be released next year. Im desperate to watch the original theatrical versions though so i think i will take the plunge!


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RE: Star Wars Original Theatrical Releases! - 31/8/2006 8:37:33 PM   
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It kind of depends if you think, they will be released in the 6 disc box set. As one person said earlier, they are going back into the vaults after these releases. However lucas did say he would never release them.

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RE: Star Wars Original Theatrical Releases! - 31/8/2006 9:17:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: steelydan3

Current price is £13.99 Ruffkut on amazon.co.uk, and $17.18 on amazon.com

That would be the £9 I mentioned...

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Sorry, as well, using the masters that they used for the laserdisc was what I meant.  DVD has a better picture quality, but I don't think putting it on DVD immediately makes it better does it

As I said above, DVDs arguably have better picture quality than Laserdiscs - therefore if you use the same master to create a Laserdisc and a DVD, the DVD will look better. That's what I was getting at....

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RE: Star Wars Original Theatrical Releases! - 1/9/2006 7:21:14 AM   
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Another question.

The only version I've ever seen of Star Wars are the 1997 releases. I know that these were tweaked for the boxset release in 2004. Has anything else been changed for this release?




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RE: Star Wars Original Theatrical Releases! - 1/9/2006 7:48:12 AM   
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Nope. As far as I know, you get the original theatrical release versions, and the souped-up versions that were in the 2004 box set. Same commentary for the new versions, not sure about the originals-someone said something about commentaries from the 1994 laserdisc box set being used. Maybe someone else could answer that one a little more intelligently. Sorry, Gimli...

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RE: Star Wars Original Theatrical Releases! - 1/9/2006 10:12:24 AM   
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I don't trust the December 31st date......

Spielberg said the same about ET when it came out as a Special Edition a few years ago.  It was supposedly a limited release, disappearing forever from 31st December.

What a surprise - 3 years on and it's STILL available everywhere......

Then again, Lucas is more likely to withdraw it, to ensure that people shell out on the next version!

I'm slightly tempted now...... purely cos I have the originals on VHS but only have one old VHS player left in the house.
May wait until Christmas sales though and get them a tad cheaper.

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RE: Star Wars Original Theatrical Releases! - 1/9/2006 2:13:05 PM   
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I was going to wait for the complete box set with all 6 films since at the mo I don't have any on DVD

but you know after this stunt - fuck it - I ain't buying any Star Wars DVDs. With so many decent new releases of other movies I can't be arsed.

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RE: Star Wars Original Theatrical Releases! - 1/9/2006 2:14:22 PM   
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Lol stunt?


Can't you just pick them up in the January sales?

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RE: Star Wars Original Theatrical Releases! - 1/9/2006 3:15:52 PM   
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i suppose - if I bother to remember

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RE: Star Wars Original Theatrical Releases! - 1/9/2006 3:19:23 PM   
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i think the commentaries are the ones on the 2004 set and not the snippets from the LD commentaries.

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RE: Star Wars Original Theatrical Releases! - 1/9/2006 4:43:15 PM   
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Lucas's commentaries are never really anything to get worked up about.

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RE: Star Wars Original Theatrical Releases! - 1/9/2006 5:46:20 PM   
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I think Lucas is quite good actually.

I don't think anyone should buy these... but Movietyme have them in stock now.

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RE: Star Wars Original Theatrical Releases! - 2/9/2006 3:41:27 AM   
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I'm buying them. Why? Well, other than being a Star Wars nut [!] (although I don't buy very single release!), it's simply because they will be the best quality version of the original trilogy available. That's it as far as I am concerned.

Would I have liked the original trilogy to have been in anamorphic widescreen as opposed to the letter-boxed widescreen these disc will apparently be? Of course I would, but as RuffKut has intimated, DVDs should always be better than laserdiscs when made from the same (presumably higher quality) source. In actual fact even if these were akin (or an-aki... no, sorry... :D) to the bootlegged copies that have been available for ages to anyone who was prepared to buy them by virtue of being copied directly from the laserdiscs, I would hazard a guess that Lucasfilm's capture of some laserdiscs + conversion and upscaling would be superior to any of the bootlegged copies anyway.

Whilst not knowing exactly what the source for these DVDs is, I would guess it'd be a very-high resolution digital copy and personally my opinion is that Lucas just doesn't want the originally released versions of the films available at the same quality as the 'finished' (or are they?!) ones. Which is his decision / right / problem / open invitation for more moaning from very un-fanatical 'fans'.

I do think anyone who considers themselves a film fan and has only seen recent (Special Edition onwards) versions of Star Wars should really try to at least see the original versions at some point - if you can get past some of the technical limitations of the time such as the matte lines, I still think they hold up very very well, and you have none of the over-smooth CGI that bugs so many people. Everytime I go back to the original versions I am slightly astonished at just how little has actually changed effects wise, but I do think it alters the tone of the films in a more-than-the-sum-of-its-parts-kind-of way. Although I disagree with Kim ("Why Star Wars Is Rubbish" but I'll give them 5,5&4 stars anyway) Newman's review/essay in this month's Empire on a number of levels a lot, I would concede the original versions of the original trilogy do feel more of their time than the later versions... but only a *smidgen*, for these are, and always have been, postmodern films that embrace the past, present and future far more than the way they interact with social history of the late 70s/early 80s. Despite that I do rate KN very highly in general.

Ok, now I'm rambling.

To sum up though: buy or don't buy, but try to see if you haven't already.


Just one other thing, RuffKut - try adding postage from the US to the UK on Amazon.com's price and see how much difference is left - it's $6.98 per item separately, or you can save a bit by getting them sent together ($11.96 for the cheapest postage when you buy all 3), but then you'll likely get hit by customs/duty! It's catch-22. And that's all for for lower resolution NTSC versions at that (on the already maligned non-anamorphic discs!). I do agree £45 is steep for fans with existing 2004 edition box-sets though. So there's not much in it really, and I'd argue if you're buying them for the original versions, you might as well splash out the extra... £11 approx. (unless you get hit by customs in which case it'd probably more or less wipe out the difference) from Amazon.co.uk to get PAL discs (remember, if you buy 2 or 3 of them you'll qualify for Amazon's free postage).

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RE: Star Wars Original Theatrical Releases! - 2/9/2006 5:45:08 AM   
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quote:

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Would I have liked the original trilogy to have been in anamorphic widescreen as opposed to the letter-boxed widescreen these disc will apparently be?


I still don't get this. I know I'm being as thick as a plank here. Letter-boxed widescreen has the bars at top and bottom, anamorphic widescreen fills the whole screen, yes?




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RE: Star Wars Original Theatrical Releases! - 2/9/2006 6:10:13 AM   
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You're getting confused, Gimli. Letterboxed widescreen does indeed have the black bars on top & bottom(on a normal TV), anamorphic widescreen only applies to widescreen tellies-because the set is widescreen, you don't get the black bars, and therefore the image fills the whole screen. Er...is that any clearer?

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RE: Star Wars Original Theatrical Releases! - 2/9/2006 6:56:39 AM   
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Yes it is. Cheers

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RE: Star Wars Original Theatrical Releases! - 2/9/2006 7:02:49 AM   
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£45?  You can fuck right off.  Personally I think people who want to buy older versions of films Lucas spent years fixing are missing the cheese from their cracker.  I might rent them just out of curiousity but never buy them.  It's funny how SW fans moan about all these releases and then another comes along and you're all "Ooh I'm gonna buy that one, innit!"




Our of curiousity?  Huh?  Dude, the originals are BETTER.  Nuff said.

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RE: Star Wars Original Theatrical Releases! - 2/9/2006 8:35:38 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Gimli The Dwarf

quote:

ORIGINAL: Artoo02


Would I have liked the original trilogy to have been in anamorphic widescreen as opposed to the letter-boxed widescreen these disc will apparently be?


I still don't get this. I know I'm being as†thick as a plank here. Letter-boxed widescreen has the bars at top and bottom, anamorphic widescreen fills the whole screen, yes?





Although Peter A.Quinn's answer is kind of right (it applies to widescreen TVs), the important thing to understand is that anamorphic widescreen basically makes use of the 'empty' space that would otherwise be the black bars on a letter-boxed image, and then stretches the image out on a widescreen TV, so that the end result is a higher-resolution image than the portion of the letter-boxed image containing the film would be. To get a non-anamorphic letter-boxed DVD to fill (as much as possible with a 2.35:1 ratio film like Star Wars) you have to zoom into the image a bit, which obviously makes the image resolution drop horribly, though less than with laserdisc and much less than with VHS.

It's like you have a big marshmallow and a little marshmallow to fit in a medium sized box. You can put the little marshmallow in, and it'll fit fine, but there might be some wasted space below and above it. The large marshmallow will have to be squished into a weird shape to get it all in, but the good news is, that when you take it out again, you can pull it back to its full size and you have lots more marshmallow to enjoy. The non-anamorphic letter-boxed DVDs are little marshmallows that you have to move closer to in order to make them seem bigger, but laserdiscs were even smaller, cheaper-brand marshmallows that didn't taste as good. VHS were those stupid little marshmallows you get in cereal packets and taste horrible now, even though you used to love them when you were a kid. :D

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RE: Star Wars Original Theatrical Releases! - 2/9/2006 8:46:10 AM   
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£45?† You can fuck right off.† Personally I think people who want to buy older versions of films Lucas spent years fixing are missing the cheese from their cracker.† I might rent them just out of curiousity but never buy them.† It's funny how SW fans moan about all these releases and then another comes along and you're all "Ooh I'm gonna buy that one, innit!"


Yes, it is funny when those who do moan about all the releases do go out and buy them. No-one's pointing a gun to their head (not even Han Solo since about 1997!)

However, lots of people prefer the original versions, for a variety of reasons, including nostalgia, an interest in film history generally, or those who like to see how special effects have developed over the years in a more specific way, or just completists who collect stuff as a hobby (there are far more insane and destructive hobbies around as I'm sure you'll agree). I have no edam-shaped spaces in my wafer-thin Jacobs' thank you very much. :D

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RE: Star Wars Original Theatrical Releases! - 2/9/2006 8:47:00 AM   
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You lost me after the "marshmallow" bit, Artoo...

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RE: Star Wars Original Theatrical Releases! - 2/9/2006 9:08:24 AM   
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You lost me after the "marshmallow" bit, Artoo...


It makes sense I tells ya! Well, it seemed to at the time...

You're just lucky I didn't try my fruit-and-veg-meets-method-acting analogy. (joke)

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