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RE: 2 Stars... - 12/11/2011 11:13:07 PM   
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I thought it was the poorest of the prequels. Mind you my enjoyment was spoiled by reading all the internet spoilers!

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Attack of The Clones - 13/11/2011 11:24:12 AM   
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Nowhere near as bad as The Phantom Menace, a film I've never watched all the way through since 1999 (excluding commentary track viewings).

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RE: 2 Stars... - 13/11/2011 11:53:45 AM   
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...2 is all this gets.


wow. Feelin' generous eh, rich?

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RE: 2 Stars... - 13/11/2011 10:48:55 PM   
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...2 is all this gets.


wow. Feelin' generous eh, rich?




Ah I was entertained by all of these when I was younger and stupider! And hey visual effects crafting, design work and music are worth something. The writing, acting and real film making skills get nil!

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RE: for fuck sake george - 14/11/2011 2:01:14 AM   
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A visually stunning space epic.


Watch 2001:A Space Odyssey if you want a visually stunning space epic.

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Terrific action,fx,and scenery.


What scenery? Its all plastic looking digital backrounds and a horrible colour palette.

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The speeder chase through Coruscant is worth the price of admission alone and probably the best chase scene of the whole saga.


No, the asteroid chase in Empire or the speeder-bike chase in Jedi are much better.

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Oh and Natalie Portman has never looked hot.


Fixed that for you.




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RE: for fuck sake george - 14/11/2011 3:33:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze

A visually stunning space epic.


Watch 2001:A Space Odyssey if you want a visually stunning space epic.

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Terrific action,fx,and scenery.


What scenery? Its all plastic looking digital backrounds and a horrible colour palette.

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The speeder chase through Coruscant is worth the price of admission alone and probably the best chase scene of the whole saga.


No, the asteroid chase in Empire or the speeder-bike chase in Jedi are much better.

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Oh and Natalie Portman has never looked hot.


Fixed that for you.






Wow Spaldron not a fan then. For me its the worst Star Wars film out of the series.


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RE: for fuck sake george - 14/11/2011 6:35:47 PM   
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A visually stunning space epic.


Watch 2001:A Space Odyssey if you want a visually stunning space epic.

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Terrific action,fx,and scenery.


What scenery? Its all plastic looking digital backrounds and a horrible colour palette.

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The speeder chase through Coruscant is worth the price of admission alone and probably the best chase scene of the whole saga.


No, the asteroid chase in Empire or the speeder-bike chase in Jedi are much better.

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Oh and Natalie Portman has never looked hot.


Fixed that for you.





I disagree.


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RE: for fuck sake george - 14/11/2011 11:48:02 PM   
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I disagree.



Yeah, suck it Spaldron!


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RE: for fuck sake george - 15/11/2011 1:01:19 AM   
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I disagree.



Yeah, suck it Spaldron!



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RE: for fuck sake george - 20/11/2011 7:40:59 PM   
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Doesn't the film earn comedy points for seeing Yoda fight Count Dooku? In the first film we went from a spoiled bratty kid ("WOW! Cool! Spaceships! Pew pew pew!") to the second film where we had a pouty teen strutting around ("I hate you! I hate you! and I hate you!"). Awful film, not even redeemed by the special effects. If you want epic battles, stick to the "Lord of the Rings". 

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RE: for fuck sake george - 20/11/2011 8:20:47 PM   
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Empire trying to retcon Chris Hewitt's 5-star review of this movie out of existance is almost as bad as Lucas's treatment of the Star Wars Trilogy.

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RE: for fuck sake george - 20/11/2011 8:30:00 PM   
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Perhaps the film needs another director's cut?...uhh directorscut.

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RE: for fuck sake george - 20/11/2011 9:38:25 PM   
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Empire trying to retcon Chris Hewitt's 5-star review of this movie out of existance is almost as bad as Lucas's treatment of the Star Wars Trilogy.


Yeah, cause they have done such a job making us forget haven't they?


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RE: for fuck sake george - 20/11/2011 10:15:45 PM   
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Empire even take the piss out of themselves for that review, they're hardly trying to deny it ever happened.

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RE: for fuck sake george - 20/11/2011 11:09:09 PM   
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They've also given out far more worrying scores since then

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RE: for fuck sake george - 21/11/2011 1:52:01 AM   
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I wouldnt give AOTC five stars but its a damn fine movie all the same.

You want a five star review travesty? Superman Returns.Christ on a bike,that was one shite film!


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RE: for fuck sake george - 21/11/2011 2:30:10 AM   
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Empire even take the piss out of themselves for that review, they're hardly trying to deny it ever happened.


Yeah, they did a bit about it in the retrospective special issue they put out last year.


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RE: for fuck sake george - 21/11/2011 4:23:32 AM   
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I wouldnt give AOTC five stars but its a damn fine movie all the same.

You want a five star review travesty? Superman Returns.Christ on a bike,that was one shite film!



Superman Returns is an infinitely better film than AOTC. It had people acting, a director directing, a script that was written and made sense, real sets. some special effects that were actually special.

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RE: for fuck sake george - 21/11/2011 12:54:27 PM   
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I wouldnt give AOTC five stars but its a damn fine movie all the same.

You want a five star review travesty? Superman Returns.Christ on a bike,that was one shite film!



Superman Returns is an infinitely better film than AOTC. It had people acting, a director directing, a script that was written and made sense, real sets. some special effects that were actually special.


Oh dear




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RE: for fuck sake george - 21/11/2011 12:57:16 PM   
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Sorry, Darth. Some people have that opinion.

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RE: Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones - 22/11/2011 3:56:12 PM   
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Attack of the Clowns might be worse than The Phantom Mess, but I've never really been able to determine which is worse with more than a minor amount of certainty.

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RE: Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones - 22/11/2011 7:08:48 PM   
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AotC is worse. Much, much worse.

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RE: Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones - 22/11/2011 7:22:00 PM   
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Agree - Clones is the worst of the lot. And has dated BADLY. 

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RE: Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones - 22/11/2011 7:50:02 PM   
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I think TPM looks quite good next to Clones actually

At least it has some stuff you can get behind. Darth Maul is ace, Liam Neeson brings a strong sense of gravitas to the film, and the saber fights are great

Unfortunatly for me, Clones has nothing to get excited about. The two major set pieces (the factory and the pit fight) are basically ripped off from Chicken Run ands Gladiator, and theres not a single interesting character to root for

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RE: Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones - 22/11/2011 8:35:27 PM   
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Unfortunatly for me, Clones has nothing to get excited about. The two major set pieces (the factory and the pit fight) are basically ripped off from Chicken Run ands Gladiator, and theres not a single interesting character to root for


I didn't like either of those two set pieces. The factory bit is just a platform game, and the bit with the monsters in the pit looks at times like it was done by Ray Harryhausen, only minus the charm. The battle between the clones and the bugs is peculiarly sterile too. And through it all you have C3-PO wisecracking his way from one 'hilarious' situation to another ("Oh this is such a drag" ). Seriously, those one-liners are dreadful. Tim Vine would be embarrassed to read them from a Christmas cracker.

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RE: Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones - 22/11/2011 11:49:33 PM   
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I think TPM looks quite good next to Clones actually

At least it has some stuff you can get behind. Darth Maul is ace, Liam Neeson brings a strong sense of gravitas to the film, and the saber fights are great

Unfortunatly for me, Clones has nothing to get excited about. The two major set pieces (the factory and the pit fight) are basically ripped off from Chicken Run ands Gladiator, and theres not a single interesting character to root for



Blessed be Brian's in it too. There are some good actors in there as you mentioned. Terrence Stamp looks as though he sleepwalked through the whole thing though. But Hugh Quarshie put in a decent turn as Captain Panaka. Ahmed Worst doesn't help with his Jar-Jar Stinks character. Shame really, could've been the start of something special.The only highlight for me was the lightsabre duel between Obi-Wan and Darth Maul. The fight choreography was something we hadn't seen before. It definitely gave a new edge to the lightsabre duel which before that had been sterile "You are weak!" *horizontal slash* "I'll become more powerful than you could possible imagine" *vertical slash*...indeed you could say someone pissed over the franchise.

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RE: Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones - 22/11/2011 11:57:18 PM   
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I think TPM looks quite good next to Clones actually

At least it has some stuff you can get behind. Darth Maul is ace, Liam Neeson brings a strong sense of gravitas to the film, and the saber fights are great

Unfortunatly for me, Clones has nothing to get excited about. The two major set pieces (the factory and the pit fight) are basically ripped off from Chicken Run ands Gladiator, and theres not a single interesting character to root for



Blessed be Brian's in it too. There are some good actors in there as you mentioned. Terrence Stamp looks as though he sleepwalked through the whole thing though. But Hugh Quarshie put in a decent turn as Captain Panaka. Ahmed Worst doesn't help with his Jar-Jar Stinks character. Shame really, could've been the start of something special.The only highlight for me was the lightsabre duel between Obi-Wan and Darth Maul. The fight choreography was something we hadn't seen before. It definitely gave a new edge to the lightsabre duel which before that had been sterile "You are weak!" *horizontal slash* "I'll become more powerful than you could possible imagine" *vertical slash*...indeed you could say someone pissed over the franchise.


Disagree with your criticism of the older fights. The point of those fights were never how they threw their laser swords at each other, but the words that were said inbetween them.

TPM did have a fun and interesting battle. And as a one off it would have been great. But they used it time and again in the next two.


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RE: Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones - 23/11/2011 12:51:11 AM   
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Regardless of the intent of the earlier duels. I referred to the actual style and choreography of the fights. They were much improved for me and gave a sense of how athletic and adroit the jedi and sith were. There was a certain level of fluidity to them. The older ones were just too stilted and rigid. The lightsabre duels subsequent to TPM weren't as good I agree.

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RE: Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones - 23/11/2011 1:02:55 AM   
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Regardless of the intent of the earlier duels. I referred to the actual style and choreography of the fights. They were much improved for me and gave a sense of how athletic and adroit the jedi and sith were. There was a certain level of fluidity to them. The older ones were just too stilted and rigid. The lightsabre duels subsequent to TPM weren't as good I agree.


Ah, but as we know from Yoda, it isn't about hard well you fight physically that matters in the end.

I also think Empire and Jedi fights are pretty wonderful. They tell a story. And none of the Prequels match the sheer poetry of the moment when Luke unleashes on Vader in Jedi.


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RE: Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones - 23/11/2011 1:14:20 AM   
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Regardless of the intent of the earlier duels. I referred to the actual style and choreography of the fights. They were much improved for me and gave a sense of how athletic and adroit the jedi and sith were. There was a certain level of fluidity to them. The older ones were just too stilted and rigid. The lightsabre duels subsequent to TPM weren't as good I agree.


Ah, but as we know from Yoda, it isn't about hard well you fight physically that matters in the end.

I also think Empire and Jedi fights are pretty wonderful. They tell a story. And none of the Prequels match the sheer poetry of the moment when Luke unleashes on Vader in Jedi.



Despite Yoda being able to jump off the walls and do a few somersaults.

I'll agree with the end duel in Return of the Jedi. The sort of choiral singing soundtrack whilst Luke is hacking away at Vader did provide the most emotive duel out of all the films. Plus a bit more athleticism than what was seen previously.


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