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RE: The Best Bond Film? - 13/3/2014 9:55:30 PM   
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But doesn't that prove that Bond is pre-conditioned to shove it anywhere he can, whenever he can (possibly as a knee-jerk / scared reaction against the feelings he was having for Tracey) and still chooses to give up his eternal ongoing shagfest to marry her..?



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RE: The Best Bond Film? - 13/3/2014 10:18:20 PM   
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But doesn't that prove that Bond is pre-conditioned to shove it anywhere he can, whenever he can (possibly as a knee-jerk / scared reaction against the feelings he was having for Tracey) and still chooses to give up his eternal ongoing shagfest to marry her..?




It might do, but it also undermines the idea that he really loves her. For me its just bad storytelling.

Don't agree at all with the idea than Cara in Living Daylights was just another Bond Girl. Apart from the pre-credits she is the only girl Bond is with during the whole film, and the whole tone is set up from the moment than Bond refuses to kill her, from there their coming together and finally ending up together is perfectly paced and believable.

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RE: The Best Bond Film? - 13/3/2014 10:44:58 PM   
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They took a different approach, and the tone is more even than some others - the writing in License to Kill on the other hand is just bizarre with him swapping between the two women randomly. Though I still kinda like that one too, but it's got an identity crisis.

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RE: The Best Bond Film? - 13/3/2014 11:11:25 PM   
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But doesn't that prove that Bond is pre-conditioned to shove it anywhere he can, whenever he can (possibly as a knee-jerk / scared reaction against the feelings he was having for Tracey) and still chooses to give up his eternal ongoing shagfest to marry her..?




It might do, but it also undermines the idea that he really loves her. For me its just bad storytelling.

Don't agree at all with the idea than Cara in Living Daylights was just another Bond Girl. Apart from the pre-credits she is the only girl Bond is with during the whole film, and the whole tone is set up from the moment than Bond refuses to kill her, from there their coming together and finally ending up together is perfectly paced and believable.


Now I might be getting this totally wrong but I seem to remember media publicity roundabout the time that TLD came out saying that Bond only hooked up with one girl because of the whole (and very uninformed) AIDS hysteria that was prevalent at the time...

Again, it's a very vague memory...

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RE: The Best Bond Film? - 14/3/2014 7:26:14 AM   
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Now I might be getting this totally wrong but I seem to remember media publicity roundabout the time that TLD came out saying that Bond only hooked up with one girl because of the whole (and very uninformed) AIDS hysteria that was prevalent at the time...

Again, it's a very vague memory...


Yep, I remember that as well. When you compare it with the veritable fuck-fest that was View To A Kill it certainly makes a significant difference, and I think for the better; as big a Bond fan as I am it is the random shagging that I do find most tiresome about the series. And I agree about TLD, one could totally envision Cara and Bond getting married at the end, for their relationship seemed genuine and something that Bond would properly fight for.

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RE: The Best Bond Film? - 14/3/2014 12:06:02 PM   
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Now I might be getting this totally wrong but I seem to remember media publicity roundabout the time that TLD came out saying that Bond only hooked up with one girl because of the whole (and very uninformed) AIDS hysteria that was prevalent at the time...

Again, it's a very vague memory...


I remember very clearly interviews with Tim Dalton in which he stated he wanted Bond to be less of a womanizer with a casual attitude towards sex. I guess he wanted him to be more responsible at a time when AIDS was widespread.

Fuck, that guy never got the props he deserved. He was so badass as Bond, and he wasn't afraid of making the character look like a bit of unpleasant dick at times.

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RE: The Best Bond Film? - 14/3/2014 1:12:46 PM   
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Now I might be getting this totally wrong but I seem to remember media publicity roundabout the time that TLD came out saying that Bond only hooked up with one girl because of the whole (and very uninformed) AIDS hysteria that was prevalent at the time...

Again, it's a very vague memory...


I remember very clearly interviews with Tim Dalton in which he stated he wanted Bond to be less of a womanizer with a casual attitude towards sex. I guess he wanted him to be more responsible at a time when AIDS was widespread.

Fuck, that guy never got the props he deserved. He was so badass as Bond, and he wasn't afraid of making the character look like a bit of unpleasant dick at times.


I still think that if he had of gotten more than two films than he could have gone on to match and maybe even better Connery as Bond. Like you said he still managed to pull of the cold and nasty side of the character as well as being more gentle, and like Connery was very convincing during the stunt sequences. It was a fully rounded Bond performance from Dalton.

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RE: The Best Bond Film? - 14/3/2014 7:31:58 PM   
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Yes, lots of love for Mr Dalton! I really like both his Bond films.

And, as been said previously, if his tenure as Bond had stretched to a third film, I think he would have carried on into the 90's. He could pull off the hard nasty killer (like Connery) but also be so emotional... love that moment when he sees his fellow agent killed by that sliding door in TLD... likewise when he finds Felix Leiters wife dead in LTK...

I just wish his last Bond scene wasn't him jumping off a balcony into a hotel pool whilst some big ceramic fish winks at the audience... jeez, why not bring that alcoholic Italian looking dumbfounded at his wine glass and a double-taking pigeon...



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RE: The Best Bond Film? - 14/3/2014 7:58:39 PM   
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I could be wrong here but doesn't Bond sleep with another woman after falling in love with Tracey?


Yes he does, but he seduces those women with the intention of getting information from them about Blofelds plot.Bond may have been in love with Tracy but he still had a job to do.It wasnt until later that he asked her to marry him.Its pretty clear that he was going to retire from the service and settle down with Tracy once this mission was over.

Bond does this in a lot of his missions.To quote Q in License to Kill '' an agent must use any means at his disposal to acheive his objectives ''.

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RE: The Best Bond Film? - 15/3/2014 12:02:23 AM   
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I could be wrong here but doesn't Bond sleep with another woman after falling in love with Tracey?


Yes he does, but he seduces those women with the intention of getting information from them about Blofelds plot.Bond may have been in love with Tracy but he still had a job to do.It wasnt until later that he asked her to marry him.Its pretty clear that he was going to retire from the service and settle down with Tracy once this mission was over.

Bond does this in a lot of his missions.To quote Q in License to Kill '' an agent must use any means at his disposal to acheive his objectives ''.


Or, as M less delicately puts it in Tomorrow Never Dies '... pump her for information...'

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RE: The Best Bond Film? - 15/4/2014 10:59:53 AM   
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brosnan is too hard on himself, he was a fine bond at the right time-

http://www.theguardian.com/film/filmblog/2014/apr/14/james-bond-pierce-brosnan-007-goldeneye

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RE: The Best Bond Film? - 16/4/2014 11:43:10 AM   
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RE: The Best Bond Film? - 16/4/2014 2:21:31 PM   
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Has anyone ever went through a full-on Bond marathon (All 23 official films in order, from Dr. No to Skyfall)?

I recently did a Dr. No/From Russia With Love double bill, and began to grow bored halfway through the latter film.

A pity, because I have enjoyed FRWL on previous viewings, and it is considered a classic. I honestly don't think I could go through an entire Bond marathon.

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RE: The Best Bond Film? - 16/4/2014 7:53:49 PM   
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Has anyone ever went through a full-on Bond marathon (All 23 official films in order, from Dr. No to Skyfall)?

I recently did a Dr. No/From Russia With Love double bill, and began to grow bored halfway through the latter film.

A pity, because I have enjoyed FRWL on previous viewings, and it is considered a classic. I honestly don't think I could go through an entire Bond marathon.


Im sure there are people who have attempted it but they are either crazy, have way too much time on their hands, or have no social life whatsoever.

There was that Empire article right before Casino Royale came out where a bunch of guys attempted to watch Dr No to Die another Day over one weekend and they looked like zombies by the time they finished.

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RE: The Best Bond Film? - 17/4/2014 8:42:22 AM   
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Has anyone ever went through a full-on Bond marathon (All 23 official films in order, from Dr. No to Skyfall)?

I recently did a Dr. No/From Russia With Love double bill, and began to grow bored halfway through the latter film.

A pity, because I have enjoyed FRWL on previous viewings, and it is considered a classic. I honestly don't think I could go through an entire Bond marathon.


I think Alan Partridge did it once.

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RE: The Best Bond Film? - 17/4/2014 10:34:53 AM   
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brosnan is too hard on himself, he was a fine bond at the right time-

http://www.theguardian.com/film/filmblog/2014/apr/14/james-bond-pierce-brosnan-007-goldeneye



The 90's and early 00's are not ageing well, and this is probably the biggest problem with Brosnans films. The technology has that clunky, 90's look that's not old enough to be retro and just looks pretty cheap and shabby. The plots have gone the same way, Goldeneye was a Cold War throwback, and TND was about taking over all the worlds newspapers (who ever reads those anymore). Brosnan was a good Bond, but he seemed to loose interest in the series pretty soon after his first one

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RE: The Best Bond Film? - 17/4/2014 1:57:23 PM   
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brosnan is too hard on himself, he was a fine bond at the right time-

http://www.theguardian.com/film/filmblog/2014/apr/14/james-bond-pierce-brosnan-007-goldeneye



Brosnan was a good Bond, but he seemed to loose interest in the series pretty soon after his first one



I don't think so; he turned in a pretty good performance in The World is Not Enough, and IMO its his best Bond film.

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RE: The Best Bond Film? - 17/4/2014 6:05:30 PM   
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I never had a problem with him, though the films vary in quality because of the writing. The best scenes are where he's not taking it too seriously like the car insurance gag with Q in TND.

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RE: The Best Bond Film? - 17/4/2014 8:06:30 PM   
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brosnan is too hard on himself, he was a fine bond at the right time-

http://www.theguardian.com/film/filmblog/2014/apr/14/james-bond-pierce-brosnan-007-goldeneye



The 90's and early 00's are not ageing well, and this is probably the biggest problem with Brosnans films. The technology has that clunky, 90's look that's not old enough to be retro and just looks pretty cheap and shabby. The plots have gone the same way, Goldeneye was a Cold War throwback, and TND was about taking over all the worlds newspapers (who ever reads those anymore). Brosnan was a good Bond, but he seemed to loose interest in the series pretty soon after his first one



I think TND has aged quite well actually, much more than GE.And im sorry to break this to you but plenty of people read newspapers and magazines today!

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RE: The Best Bond Film? - 17/4/2014 8:24:49 PM   
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brosnan is too hard on himself, he was a fine bond at the right time-

http://www.theguardian.com/film/filmblog/2014/apr/14/james-bond-pierce-brosnan-007-goldeneye



Brosnan was a good Bond, but he seemed to loose interest in the series pretty soon after his first one



I don't think so; he turned in a pretty good performance in The World is Not Enough, and IMO its his best Bond film.


I agree that WORLD was great. DAD, on the other hand... just awful on every level.

I think Mr Brosnan had at least one more Bond in him, but after that pile of shit, I was so grateful for a reboot...

Sidetracking slightly (and apologies if it's been brought up before)... where do you lot stand on the fan theory that James Bond isn't actually a real person at all? That 'James Bond' is just as much a codename as 'M' and 'Q'..?

I mean, someone who did all that stuff to so many foreign enemies could never go back to a 'real' life after retirement, they'd be assassinated in a second. So some orphan is groomed by MI5 and, when proved worthy, takes on the persona of 'James Bond'...

Yeah, there's a hundred holes that you could poke in that argument, but it would certainly explain the crappy continuity that this series embraces, not least the way that Judi Dench is suddenly promoting a new guy in CASINO ROYALE when she's already worked with him in four other movies...

Anyway, just a thought.

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RE: The Best Bond Film? - 17/4/2014 9:34:38 PM   
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Brosnan was a good Bond, but he seemed to loose interest in the series pretty soon after his first one



I don't think so; he turned in a pretty good performance in The World is Not Enough, and IMO its his best Bond film.


Yea I agree actually, he was very good in that one

I like the whole 'James Bond' codename theory, but I don't really think it matters either way. Each actor is just a different version of the character.

In other news, I rewatched Skyfall a second time fairly recently and was impressed by how I much I enjoyed it. I'll probably put in in my top 4, along with CR, GE and YOLT


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RE: The Best Bond Film? - 17/4/2014 9:49:15 PM   
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The problem with TND is the YOLT-lite plot. The rest is good though, especially the action. Plus Michelle Yeoh, Vincent Schiavelli, it's good stuff.

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Anyway, just a thought.


It's a rubbish theory though.

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RE: The Best Bond Film? - 17/4/2014 11:30:36 PM   
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The problem with TND is the YOLT-lite plot. The rest is good though, especially the action. Plus Michelle Yeoh, Vincent Schiavelli, it's good stuff.

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Anyway, just a thought.


It's a rubbish theory though.


Why, exactly? Not having a go, just thought it might give some continuity to this long-running series...

Explanation, please..?


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RE: The Best Bond Film? - 18/4/2014 1:34:50 AM   
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Because the most immediate problems are probably the simplest to stop it working. His wife is mentioned in more than one so is Teresa Bond a code name too? Is Felix Leighter another? Is Felix faking the old ally routine? If actor changes mean different people is Blofeld a code name? How does that explain Mr Henderson? What about Wade and Whitaker? Is 007's heritage an over elaborate cover including parent loss and family coat of arms? Does 006 not know that that an agent's history is cover story then? Does M calling Brosnan a dinosaur hold up in this context?

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RE: The Best Bond Film? - 29/4/2014 11:18:17 AM   
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guardian on TLD-

http://www.theguardian.com/film/filmblog/2014/apr/27/james-bond-living-daylights-timothy-dalton

that one is in my top 10 bonds.

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RE: The Best Bond Film? - 30/4/2014 8:13:10 PM   
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The problem with TND is the YOLT-lite plot. The rest is good though, especially the action. Plus Michelle Yeoh, Vincent Schiavelli, it's good stuff.

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Anyway, just a thought.


It's a rubbish theory though.


So? That doesnt prevent The Spy Who Loved Me from being one of the best ever, if not THE best Bond movie ever made.

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RE: The Best Bond Film? - 30/4/2014 8:50:15 PM   
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It's not even the best Roger Moore one for me though.

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RE: The Best Bond Film? - 5/5/2014 1:47:53 PM   
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check out one of the best bonds as a radio play-


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RE: The Best Bond Film? - 9/5/2014 12:08:41 PM   
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guardian on TLD-

http://www.theguardian.com/film/filmblog/2014/apr/27/james-bond-living-daylights-timothy-dalton

that one is in my top 10 bonds.


The main thing I take from that is that I didn't even know than we no longer employed Milkmen!

Just kidding, it was a good piece, if a bit sniffy about Dalton in places.

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RE: The Best Bond Film? - 9/5/2014 12:12:08 PM   
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Has anyone ever went through a full-on Bond marathon (All 23 official films in order, from Dr. No to Skyfall)?

I recently did a Dr. No/From Russia With Love double bill, and began to grow bored halfway through the latter film.

A pity, because I have enjoyed FRWL on previous viewings, and it is considered a classic. I honestly don't think I could go through an entire Bond marathon.


Pretty shocking as From Russia With Love is my fav Bond just ahead of Goldfinger.

As for Brosnan he was a solid Bond, not the best but he did fit the bill pretty well.

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