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RE: England's Most Succesful Club - The Man Utd Thread - 8/4/2013 9:12:13 PM   
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That had been coming for awhile, City just needed someone to pull the trigger in the final third and Milner had been mainly awful up until that stage but he got the power behind the shot that they had been lacking with some of their attempted "finishing" earlier on.

Still doesn't matter though in the greater scale of things.

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RE: England's Most Succesful Club - The Man Utd Thread - 8/4/2013 9:16:00 PM   
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Great Freekick.
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RE: England's Most Succesful Club - The Man Utd Thread - 8/4/2013 9:17:24 PM   
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Amazing free kick.
Amazing stupidity from Joe Hart.

Has come off Jones arm but nothing he could do about it.

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RE: England's Most Succesful Club - The Man Utd Thread - 8/4/2013 9:36:04 PM   
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Great goal.
Told ya City would win

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RE: England's Most Succesful Club - The Man Utd Thread - 8/4/2013 9:37:00 PM   
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Ooooh he's done too little of that this season. Cracking run and finish. Still you'd expect a defender to get in a challenge or put him off, too fast for De Gea?

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RE: England's Most Succesful Club - The Man Utd Thread - 8/4/2013 9:45:43 PM   
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Ooooh he's done too little of that this season. Cracking run and finish. Still you'd expect a defender to get in a challenge or put him off, too fast for De Gea?


Definitely too fast for Rio. He left him in a previous football match. What City definitely lacked this season with his injury problems and whatnot.

Anyone else see Phil Jones square up to Tevez there with his forehead pushed into his nose and when Tevez reacts, Jones tries to get the referee's attention? Pathetic actions of prima-donna footballers, grow up.

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RE: England's Most Succesful Club - The Man Utd Thread - 8/4/2013 9:46:06 PM   
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I'd say that Ferguson will bite off PSG's hand if they put in a bid for Rooney, he's completely ineffective in this midfield role.


Writing must surely be on the wall. Doesn't start the game against Real and Utd need a goal with 10 minutes to go against City and he's hauled off.

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RE: England's Most Succesful Club - The Man Utd Thread - 8/4/2013 9:50:48 PM   
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Ooooh he's done too little of that this season. Cracking run and finish. Still you'd expect a defender to get in a challenge or put him off, too fast for De Gea?


Definitely too fast for Rio. He left him in a previous football match. What City definitely lacked this season with his injury problems and whatnot.



Rio's not getting any younger but I get the idea that Aguero is lightning quick, even with the ball. Deadly finisher too. Let alone City, I've missed him this season.

EDIT: Rafael lucky to stay on there, little attempt to go for the ball imo

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RE: England's Most Succesful Club - The Man Utd Thread - 8/4/2013 9:51:14 PM   
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If City could have been arsed they would have won this league at a canter.
Big big changes are needed for United in the summer.

Edit:Its not conceivable that United might bottle the league again this year.

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RE: England's Most Succesful Club - The Man Utd Thread - 8/4/2013 9:54:14 PM   
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If City could have been arsed they would have won this league at a canter.
Big big changes are needed for United in the summer.


I'm afraid that Mancini is the weak link there. They have a better XI than Utd (as do Chelsea imo), but you've got to play to win for 30-odd games for the title, not a few.

Interesting summer for Utd, I think they really only need a couple of players. Can definitely see them taking Rooney off the wage bill.

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RE: England's Most Succesful Club - The Man Utd Thread - 8/4/2013 9:55:19 PM   
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Ooooh he's done too little of that this season. Cracking run and finish. Still you'd expect a defender to get in a challenge or put him off, too fast for De Gea?


Definitely too fast for Rio. He left him in a previous football match. What City definitely lacked this season with his injury problems and whatnot.



Rio's not getting any younger but I get the idea that Aguero is lightning quick, even with the ball. Deadly finisher too. Let alone City, I've missed him this season.

EDIT: Rafael lucky to stay on there, little attempt to go for the ball imo


No, which is why he shouldn't be playing in the next World Cup, if we want to strive to actually win it that is.

I thought Tevez played well tonight. I don't think the United fans agree with me.

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RE: England's Most Succesful Club - The Man Utd Thread - 8/4/2013 10:05:39 PM   
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Fergie has had his fair share of plaudits this year concerning the matter of getting alot of these players to the position they're currently in,but sentimental aside,he did spend alot of money on these players.Its not as-if these players weren't brought in without his recommendations.

And Fergies subs today was,frankly,odd.

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RE: England's Most Succesful Club - The Man Utd Thread - 8/4/2013 10:16:11 PM   
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RE: England's Most Succesful Club - The Man Utd Thread - 8/4/2013 10:19:11 PM   
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The collapse begins.


Y'know it really really wouldn't surprise me.

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RE: England's Most Succesful Club - The Man Utd Thread - 8/4/2013 10:24:19 PM   
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Does Ferguson honestly believe what he's saying?

Performance level was one of the worst I've seen from United all season!

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RE: England's Most Succesful Club - The Man Utd Thread - 8/4/2013 10:28:06 PM   
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Fergie:
"I think we were unlucky to lose the game. But it is easy to see why these were the best two teams in the country - the evidence was there tonight."

Unlucky?
Best Two teams?
United were poor Fergie,come on now.

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RE: England's Most Succesful Club - The Man Utd Thread - 9/4/2013 2:42:21 AM   
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Fergie:
"I think we were unlucky to lose the game. But it is easy to see why these were the best two teams in the country - the evidence was there tonight."

Unlucky?
Best Two teams?
United were poor Fergie,come on now.


To be fair, he's an old man now.

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RE: England's Most Succesful Club - The Man Utd Thread - 9/4/2013 4:16:50 AM   
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Ooooh he's done too little of that this season. Cracking run and finish. Still you'd expect a defender to get in a challenge or put him off, too fast for De Gea?


Definitely too fast for Rio. He left him in a previous football match. What City definitely lacked this season with his injury problems and whatnot.



Rio's not getting any younger but I get the idea that Aguero is lightning quick, even with the ball. Deadly finisher too. Let alone City, I've missed him this season.

EDIT: Rafael lucky to stay on there, little attempt to go for the ball imo


No, which is why he shouldn't be playing in the next World Cup, if we want to strive to actually win it that is.

I thought Tevez played well tonight. I don't think the United fans agree with me.


Funny how a few seasons ago they begged strawberry nose to keep him.

Cracking game though, and City were by far the better team, pity its too little too late.

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RE: England's Most Succesful Club - The Man Utd Thread - 9/4/2013 8:20:59 AM   
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Since Ferguson has decided he needs to start with Wellbeck in the team playing a deeper role, instead of playing a proper midfielder or a strike partner for Van Persie, we have won just two games 1-0 (one of which was from an own goal), we've also drawn 2-2 (after leading 2-0) and lost 2-1, 1-0 and 2-1.

It's not working, something needs to be done about it. Only two wins in 6 games isn't good enough, and 3 losses in 6 games is unacceptable.

I still see us retainingthe number 1 spot through to the end, but this gap between ourselves and City will get whittled down at an alarming rate.

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RE: England's Most Succesful Club - The Man Utd Thread - 9/4/2013 9:17:15 AM   
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Fergie:
"I think we were unlucky to lose the game. But it is easy to see why these were the best two teams in the country - the evidence was there tonight."

Unlucky?
Best Two teams?
United were poor Fergie,come on now.


To be fair, he's an old man now.


Well since the teams are first and second in the league I think it's a fair comment regardless of the performances last night.

How else do you decide who the best teams are?

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RE: England's Most Succesful Club - The Man Utd Thread - 9/4/2013 9:45:58 AM   
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Since Ferguson has decided he needs to start with Wellbeck in the team playing a deeper role, instead of playing a proper midfielder or a strike partner for Van Persie, we have won just two games 1-0 (one of which was from an own goal), we've also drawn 2-2 (after leading 2-0) and lost 2-1, 1-0 and 2-1.

It's not working, something needs to be done about it. Only two wins in 6 games isn't good enough, and 3 losses in 6 games is unacceptable.

I still see us retaining the number 1 spot through to the end, but this gap between ourselves and City will get whittled down at an alarming rate.


I apologize in advance for any errors in this. I had work to do last night, so I was mostly listening to, rather than watching the match. But these are my observations.

1) Wellbeck was playing quite wide last night
2) I think Wellbeck is being utilized in this role as Ferguson has lost patience with the form / reliability of Valencia and Nani (whether Nani is a natural winger is probably a discussion for another day)
3) RvP has had a slump recently and has missed some reasonable chances against Real and Chelsea (in the FA QF) that he would have put away at the start of the season
4) imo Ferguson's tactics in the main against "big" clubs are too cautious. He looks to play on the break, but this relies on the team a) having form players out wide who can receive the ball and create opportunities, b) forwards who will convert opportunities ruthlessly. I prefer to see Utd trying to run the game, I don't think this is a natural way for them to play and invites the opposition to create chances
5) City were a much better footballing team last night and exploited a lack of cohesion between the midfield pairing of Carrick and Giggs (who were quite over run) and Jones and Ferdinand
6) Rafael has had a great season, but he's still young, and has played a lot of games. He's at an age where he is better going forwards than back and City were right to pressurize him last night
7) Rooney is a very shadow of his former self who imposes nothing on a game
8) Being able to take off Nasri (as most of us would want to do) and bring on Aguero is just dreamland for a manager.

In summary
- I think that Utd may need another wide player as well as Zaha for next season, enabling Wellbeck to play back in a supporting position for RvP.
- Some Utd players look like they have been overplayed this year (RvP, Rafael) and will be glad for the fact that they have those points in hand
- Vidic is just a huge loss, and the jury is still out as to whether Jones / Smalling can replace him
- It is time that Rooney looked for another challenge
- Ferguson has a lot of strengths, but is not a master tactician and certainly often seems to struggle with changing a formation to change a game. This seems an increasing trend with managers and I'd not be surprised to start to see Utd becoming "out thought" more often.

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RE: England's Most Succesful Club - The Man Utd Thread - 9/4/2013 10:21:37 AM   
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RE: England's Most Succesful Club - The Man Utd Thread - 9/4/2013 1:34:02 PM   
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Think the title is over even with this defeat, which i think will serve as a kick up the arse and Utd will see it through.

RVP looking burnt out and it's starting to show how much he carried the team at the start of the season. Big question marks on the likes of Valencia, Young and Welbeck but I think they will get another chance next season, it's curtains for Anderson and Nani though.

Jones looks the part but needs to stay fit, Smalling needs a kick up the arse unlike Rafael who has come on leaps and bounds and looks like he will only get better, likewise De Gea.

Evra, Vidic, Rio may have 1 more season at the top level. Giggs and Scoles should retire. Rooney looks like he's lost the desire, I don't think he will go but if the price is right who knows.

Zaha to come in and we will probably see more of Kagawa next season. I think another midfielder (Felaini ?) an established left back (Baines ?) Certainly another defender and possibly a striker but I just think Hernandez should play more.

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RE: England's Most Succesful Club - The Man Utd Thread - 9/4/2013 4:45:24 PM   
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RE: England's Most Succesful Club - The Man Utd Thread - 9/4/2013 6:13:11 PM   
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That's quite scathing I know, especially against a team who are 12 points clear and look certain to win the league. For me it just hasn't been a vintage PL this season, Man Utd have been dogged and showed great resilience at times but that's about it.

Biggest disappointment this year has got to be City though, with that squad they really should have run Utd a lot closer. Mancini will shoulder a lot of the blame, I just don't think he's up to it and he hasn't got the players performing anything like the level of last season.

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RE: England's Most Succesful Club - The Man Utd Thread - 7/5/2013 11:40:18 PM   
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The Daily Telegraph are running with Fergie retiring at the end of this season with an announcement expected before the next game. No reponse from the club yet...

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RE: England's Most Succesful Club - The Man Utd Thread - 7/5/2013 11:43:22 PM   
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So the t'interwebs is rife with rumours that Sir Alex will be announcing his retirement this week.

Bookies favourite to replace him is Moyes, with Mourinho as a rather distant second favourite.

It'll be a sad day if he does retire, he's been the rock in our club that others just haven't had, the stability we needed and even his presence at the club makes a huge difference, never-mind his ability as a manager.

However I'd be further disappointed if the retirement is followed by the announcement of Moyes as his successor, for me he's got a good record with what he's had to play with at Everton which is admittedly very little (i.e. very little money, under the shadow of the other Merseysiders etc) but that's a massively different kettle of fish to managing Man Utd. It would be advisable for Moyes to go to Schalke or a similar team elsewhere to gain Champions League experience and prove he can do it at another level. In the meantime we have Mourinho for a few seasons to help keep the club stable during the transitional period before no doubt leaving after 3 years (as he always does). By that point Moyes may then be more of a viable option, and someone who can provide more long term success.

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RE: England's Most Succesful Club - The Man Utd Thread - 7/5/2013 11:43:55 PM   
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The Daily Telegraph are running with Fergie retiring at the end of this season with an announcement expected before the next game. No reponse from the club yet...


At which point Mourinho's desire to return to Chelsea mysteriously disappears into the ether

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RE: England's Most Succesful Club - The Man Utd Thread - 7/5/2013 11:59:00 PM   
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Be a big leap if Moyes was given the job.
Personally If Fergie goes United should really be going for someone with top club experience,yes I know that is all rather cliched but if they want to sustain there success then I can only see that as the only viable option.

What could Moyes bring to United?
Personally I cant see a whole lot.

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RE: England's Most Succesful Club - The Man Utd Thread - 8/5/2013 12:07:36 AM   
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So the t'interwebs is rife with rumours that Sir Alex will be announcing his retirement this week.

Bookies favourite to replace him is Moyes, with Mourinho as a rather distant second favourite.

It'll be a sad day if he does retire, he's been the rock in our club that others just haven't had, the stability we needed and even his presence at the club makes a huge difference, never-mind his ability as a manager.

However I'd be further disappointed if the retirement is followed by the announcement of Moyes as his successor, for me he's got a good record with what he's had to play with at Everton which is admittedly very little (i.e. very little money, under the shadow of the other Merseysiders etc) but that's a massively different kettle of fish to managing Man Utd. It would be advisable for Moyes to go to Schalke or a similar team elsewhere to gain Champions League experience and prove he can do it at another level. In the meantime we have Mourinho for a few seasons to help keep the club stable during the transitional period before no doubt leaving after 3 years (as he always does). By that point Moyes may then be more of a viable option, and someone who can provide more long term success.


Yeah, Mourinho is exactly the manager to get if you want your team to have stability.

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