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RE: Car crash of a film - 10/3/2006 3:22:24 PM   
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A big disappointment. Like other posters have said this film screams out "Look at me, I'm great because I deal with the 'taboo' issue of racism" and "Here lets play some emotional music and we'll make the audience sad, hence making them think this is a good film". Now I'm not saying its bad just a disappointment. I expected so much more, after all it has won Best Picture.

To sum up the performances were nothing outstanding except Cheadle and Newton, and Ludicrus wasn't bad either. Apart from that everyone just seemed to bring no life to their character and played the 'I'm a rascist, how obvious can I make this?' bit.

The story line doesn't fit very well as theres so much going on its hard to keep track of who thinks, says and does what. Maybe thats because I switched off though.

This is good I suppose, but no way a 'masterpiece' as some critics have claimed, very overrated.

3/5


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RE: Car crash of a film - 10/3/2006 3:45:46 PM   
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Ludicrus wasn't bad either.



I thought he was one of the worst people in it - "all these white people looking at me as if i'm gonna hold a gun in their face and steal their car!!!  It's so racist and demeaning!!!!!...........................Hey look - white people!  Let's go hold a gun in their face and steal their car!!!"

Riiiiiight - well done Paul Haggis for tackling stereotype with a stereotype, perpetuating a problem, demolishing 50 plus years of struggle to build racial harmony in America, and Ludacris doing it without a single hint of irony. 

"And the oscar goes to Crash" (slaps forehead).

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RE: Car crash of a film - 10/3/2006 4:49:31 PM   
forbidden_planet


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quote:

ORIGINAL: great_badir

quote:

ORIGINAL: forbidden_planet

Ludicrus wasn't bad either.



I thought he was one of the worst people in it - "all these white people looking at me as if i'm gonna hold a gun in their face and steal their car!!!  It's so racist and demeaning!!!!!...........................Hey look - white people!  Let's go hold a gun in their face and steal their car!!!"

Riiiiiight - well done Paul Haggis for tackling stereotype with a stereotype, perpetuating a problem, demolishing 50 plus years of struggle to build racial harmony in America, and Ludacris doing it without a single hint of irony. 

"And the oscar goes to Crash" (slaps forehead).


That scene was a suprise yeah. One minute he was all about how its hard for a black man because of all the crime and then what does he go and do?!


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RE: Car crash of a film - 10/3/2006 5:48:26 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: forbidden_planet

quote:

ORIGINAL: great_badir

quote:

ORIGINAL: forbidden_planet

Ludicrus wasn't bad either.



I thought he was one of the worst people in it - "all these white people looking at me as if i'm gonna hold a gun in their face and steal their car!!!  It's so racist and demeaning!!!!!...........................Hey look - white people!  Let's go hold a gun in their face and steal their car!!!"

Riiiiiight - well done Paul Haggis for tackling stereotype with a stereotype, perpetuating a problem, demolishing 50 plus years of struggle to build racial harmony in America, and Ludacris doing it without a single hint of irony. 

"And the oscar goes to Crash" (slaps forehead).


That scene was a suprise yeah. One minute he was all about how its hard for a black man because of all the crime and then what does he go and do?!



What I took from that scene is the phenomenon of self fulfilling prophecy.  What they thought were false beliefs came true via social interaction.  That's the only explanation I could come up with why Haggis even put in that scene. 
It is an over rated film.  Personally I thought it should have gone to Good Night and Good Luck.  Haven't seen BB so can't compare the 2.

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RE: Car crash of a film - 10/3/2006 6:07:28 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: IMFienne

quote:

ORIGINAL: forbidden_planet

quote:

ORIGINAL: great_badir

quote:

ORIGINAL: forbidden_planet

Ludicrus wasn't bad either.



I thought he was one of the worst people in it - "all these white people looking at me as if i'm gonna hold a gun in their face and steal their car!!!  It's so racist and demeaning!!!!!...........................Hey look - white people!  Let's go hold a gun in their face and steal their car!!!"

Riiiiiight - well done Paul Haggis for tackling stereotype with a stereotype, perpetuating a problem, demolishing 50 plus years of struggle to build racial harmony in America, and Ludacris doing it without a single hint of irony. 

"And the oscar goes to Crash" (slaps forehead).


That scene was a suprise yeah. One minute he was all about how its hard for a black man because of all the crime and then what does he go and do?!



What I took from that scene is the phenomenon of self fulfilling prophecy.  What they thought were false beliefs came true via social interaction.  That's the only explanation I could come up with why Haggis even put in that scene. 
It is an over rated film.  Personally I thought it should have gone to Good Night and Good Luck.  Haven't seen BB so can't compare the 2.


See BB! It deserved that Oscar!


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RE: Car crash of a film - 10/3/2006 6:17:20 PM   
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 WOW! I'm amazed. I thought I must have missed something when I watched Crash, because everyone seemed to be raving about it. From reading this thread, I'm glad to see I wasn't the only one who felt this film was MASSIVELY overrated. All the major complaints have been covered already. As I've already stated elsewhere, to me it felt like being repeatedly bashed over the head with a giant hammer while someone shouting at me "LOOK! RACISM MAN, IT'S LIKE, EVERYWHERE. YOU KNOW?" for 2 hours. Granted there were some terrific performances, and a couple of standout scenes, but Jesus Christ, it felt to me like there should have been an overly sincere narrator going: "And now, yet another example of someone else judging another person by their race...".

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RE: Most over rated film ever. - 11/3/2006 1:52:14 PM   
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 I have to say that I hated this film - I felt very angery after the film was over  - and I just wanted to shout - I don't like films that do that..... I can't believe that poeple rave about this film. It was too much for one night that was for sure....

I was finding it hard to watch and fustrating - I was finding myself angery for at least the rest of the night.... I think this is the sort of film that can cause extra violence once some stupid kids etc that watch it. I am just waiting for something to come up in the news about this and a kid blaming his actions cause he watched this film before hand.....

So I think you can all see by the above that I was not keen............

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RE: Crash - 11/3/2006 11:28:46 PM   
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so some people don't like this film because they believe it is shlocky and over acted.well i hate to rain on your sunshine but this film is brilliant.
 
the charcters are engaging.ok they are a mix of the good(brendan fraser,matt dillion,sandra bullock,don cheadle) and the ok(ludacris,ryan philleppe) but it is mostly a film of fine performences.
 
The amount of stories is a little excessive and it could use three storylines to make it's point(brendan fraser's story,matt dillion's story,don cheadles's)
 
the true fact is this film could be about isolation in L.A for all we know rather than racism if don cheadle's first line in the movie is anything to go by. the idea of racsm in the film is more a discussion than a shouting rage but ultimaly,it has several fantastic scenes including matt dillion's redemption.
 
this is a finely acted film and well worth a look. 




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RE: Crash - 12/3/2006 10:01:42 AM   
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I'd give this film 61.34/100

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RE: Crash - 12/3/2006 1:10:07 PM   
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What really stood out for me was Matt Dillon who I had only previosly seen in Rumble Fish and Something Not Very Funny ABout Mary. His character Officer Ryan refreshes Hollywood in that it depicts not just good or bad in someone but good and bad and puts us in a situation where it is difficult to make any certain conclusiuons about him as a person.

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RE: Car crash of a film - 12/3/2006 9:02:51 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: forbidden_planet

quote:

ORIGINAL: great_badir

quote:

ORIGINAL: forbidden_planet

Ludicrus wasn't bad either.



I thought he was one of the worst people in it - "all these white people looking at me as if i'm gonna hold a gun in their face and steal their car!!!  It's so racist and demeaning!!!!!...........................Hey look - white people!  Let's go hold a gun in their face and steal their car!!!"

Riiiiiight - well done Paul Haggis for tackling stereotype with a stereotype, perpetuating a problem, demolishing 50 plus years of struggle to build racial harmony in America, and Ludacris doing it without a single hint of irony. 

"And the oscar goes to Crash" (slaps forehead).


That scene was a suprise yeah. One minute he was all about how its hard for a black man because of all the crime and then what does he go and do?!



i thougth that scene was quite funny, cause when he starts with the rant i was groaning thinking crash was gonna be one of these horribly preachy films, then ludacris' character pulls out the gun. it was like a sort of piss take you see of those "issues" films. then low and behold paul haggis doesnt notice the irony and the rest of the film IS one of those horribly preachy "issues" films. complete cack.

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Dire - 13/3/2006 6:58:14 PM   
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One of the most contrived piece of garbage i've ever seen, it's about as subtly as seeing your mum getting done up the arse on your kitchen table as you have frosties.

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Oscar worthy? No, but very, very good - 13/3/2006 8:27:46 PM   
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 Any other year this would be a Best Picture winner that no one would argue with. Unfortunately 2005 saw superior work which should have won, i.e Brokeback Mountain or Good Night, and Good luck. This is an ensemble work of the highest order with beautifully crafted interwoven stories with great acting to complement it. Superior to similar films like Magnolia or Short Cuts because all the stories don't overstay their welcome onscreen which is a downplus for me in them. Where the film does fall short for me however is that you never feel any empathy for any other the charactors. Maybe it was because they all had unlikeable aspects about them, but I just can't put my finger on why so. anyway, Crash is a really good film just falling short of exceptional but one that I won't be moaning about as an unworthy Oscar winner in years to come.

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Crash - 28/5/2006 2:01:03 AM   
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This Film is beautiful and is brilliantly written. The characters are great and all are well acted. it is a feel good factor movie and definintly one of my favourites now. Nothing more to say i think.

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- 31/5/2006 1:35:53 PM   
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 A very good film, but worthy of a Best Picture Oscar? Not at all. Actors, script and direction are great, but again, certainly not deservant of an Oscar.

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- 31/5/2006 1:35:56 PM   
Q.T


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 A very good film, but worthy of a Best Picture Oscar? Not at all. Actors, script and direction are great, but again, certainly not deservant of an Oscar.

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- 2/6/2006 12:30:01 PM   
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I love this film definetly deserves an Oscar the whole way the film was written was superb as was the acting.

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Crash: Director's Cut - 25/8/2006 2:29:27 PM   
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This is a great film and I was pleasantly surprised when it won the Best Picture Oscar, but please could Empire explain the difference between the theatrical cut and the director's cut in this alleged review of the director's cut? I don't see a difference between this review and the one that was printed on the theatrical release.

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- 27/8/2006 11:37:46 AM   
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 this films superb and it can' be knocked. Its award for best picture was well deserved

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Crash - 28/8/2006 12:45:45 PM   
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Great film. Just wondered, anyone else having trouble clicking on the link to DVD extras on this site?

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Crash - 28/8/2006 12:46:42 PM   
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Great film. Just wondered, anyone else having trouble clicking on the link to DVD extras on this site?

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Why all the fuss? - 28/8/2006 9:40:47 PM   
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This film is rubbish...well not rubbish, but certainly nothing better than a decent ER epsiode. Why oh why all the fuss?

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Glad it Beat Brokeback - 29/8/2006 1:33:43 PM   
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 As someone very interested in civil rights history, this film was particularly interesting. Well shot, well acted and well direscted. One of the most challenging films of the year. However, I would have preferred it if there was less swearing, which was so frequent it added nothing to the film. Deservedly beat Brokeback mountain.

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Crash. - 1/9/2006 4:59:33 PM   
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I cannot think of a better film than this masterpeice of cinema that deals so effectively with racism. It is brilliant on so many levels. Not only is the acting excellent but the script is extremely clever. None of the main characters are how they first appear emphasising the point that you shouldn`t judge or treat people badly on appearence and racial group alone. Not all young black men are of course car jackers nor our all white Americans racist.

When characters in this film do express racism in thought, word and deed as in real life racisms vicious downward spiral on society and human nature intensifies and infects others. The affected feel understandably a sense of injustice and resentment which they often respond to in a vengeful way to others of the same racial group creating more racism which others want to avenge or react badly too and so it grows. Like voilence racism breeds more racism.

I was so pleased this got the Best Picture Oscor it deserved and not Brokeback Mountain (a worthy film yes but so dull in comparision). It is uncomfortable viewing because if we are honest we all have at sometime in our lifes held bigoted racisit opinions if nothing else when we were too young and immature to know better. Sandra Bullock is spot on when she says in one of the featurettes that "If you say don`t see yourself in this film you are a liar" or words to that effect. If only the whole world could watch and learn from this movie how much sweeter life would be. It really is that good.

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- 7/9/2006 10:08:45 PM   
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Excellent - 9/9/2006 2:46:31 AM   
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Wonderfully written and performed and never goes where you think it will.

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Crash - 27/9/2006 4:42:36 PM   
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Well written, brilliantly directed. One of the best directed films of the last few years. Stand out performances from Newton and Cheadle in particular. Two gripes, the ending was a complete cop out and Brendan Fraser was shocking. Otherwise highly recommended.

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Crash-my GCSE coursework - 21/10/2006 10:42:18 PM   
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Prejudice is a foggy window which, at some point in our lives, we all look through and it is a common subject in modern day cinema. Whether it is racial, gender, homophobic or any other form of discrimination, using prejudice in films has grown in popularity amongst directors and film writers. While well known productions such as The Green Mile, A Time to Kill, and Mississippi Burning all controversially display themes of racism; many films such as Pretty Woman, Philadelphia and even Shrek 2 portray a hidden form of contentious judgment.
The film, To Kill a Mockingbird, is probably one of the earliest examples of prejudice in film focusing on race, class, age and disability and how they can affect a community. These issues, however, are only touched on in this film. Later films such as A Time to Kill, concentrate specifically on the racial issues that divide our modern society.
Crash opens with black detective, Graham Waters (Don Cheadle) and Latino/American ‘partner’ Ria (Jennifer Esposito), having just been involved in a car crash. After reflecting upon another crime scene before him, the film flashes back to the day before where a Persian shop owner is trying to buy a gun, but is denied as he isn’t an American citizen. We are then introduced to two young black car-jackers, ironically discussing the racial discrimination they are receiving in a white community. D.A. Rick Cabot (Brendan Fraser) and his wife Jean (Sandra Bullock), then become victims of their racial hate, which leaves Rick in an uncomfortable position both with his wife, and at work. Feeling intimidated by her recent ordeal, Jean has new locks fitted in her house but racially judges the locksmith, Daniel (Michael Pena). Jean, unable to trust the Hispanic locksmith, insists on the locks being changed again the next morning. Daniel then returns to his home where he gives his daughter a ‘magical’ cloak, which he promises will protect her.
Meanwhile, in

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Crash-my GCSE coursework - 21/10/2006 10:42:38 PM   
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Prejudice is a foggy window which, at some point in our lives, we all look through and it is a common subject in modern day cinema. Whether it is racial, gender, homophobic or any other form of discrimination, using prejudice in films has grown in popularity amongst directors and film writers. While well known productions such as The Green Mile, A Time to Kill, and Mississippi Burning all controversially display themes of racism; many films such as Pretty Woman, Philadelphia and even Shrek 2 portray a hidden form of contentious judgment.
The film, To Kill a Mockingbird, is probably one of the earliest examples of prejudice in film focusing on race, class, age and disability and how they can affect a community. These issues, however, are only touched on in this film. Later films such as A Time to Kill, concentrate specifically on the racial issues that divide our modern society.
Crash opens with black detective, Graham Waters (Don Cheadle) and Latino/American ‘partner’ Ria (Jennifer Esposito), having just been involved in a car crash. After reflecting upon another crime scene before him, the film flashes back to the day before where a Persian shop owner is trying to buy a gun, but is denied as he isn’t an American citizen. We are then introduced to two young black car-jackers, ironically discussing the racial discrimination they are receiving in a white community. D.A. Rick Cabot (Brendan Fraser) and his wife Jean (Sandra Bullock), then become victims of their racial hate, which leaves Rick in an uncomfortable position both with his wife, and at work. Feeling intimidated by her recent ordeal, Jean has new locks fitted in her house but racially judges the locksmith, Daniel (Michael Pena). Jean, unable to trust the Hispanic locksmith, insists on the locks being changed again the next morning. Daniel then returns to his home where he gives his daughter a ‘magical’ cloak, which he promises will protect her.
Meanwhile, in

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Well intentioned but too contrived - 1/3/2007 8:50:38 PM   
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Gripping and thought provokeing but some how trying too hard to be uncliched and unrealistic in that evry character is obsessed with the issue when maybe a sadder fact is the fact that the vast majority of people dont think about it enough.

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