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RE: Has The 'Historical Epic' Bubble Burst? - 16/5/2006 1:42:05 PM   
Rotary Ten


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It's interesting that you're all talking about classical or medieval stories. These films come and go in cycles, but the term "historical epic" surely applies just as much to any film concerned with a particular event in history e.g. Saving Private Ryan. Obviously we have to exclude dramas that happen to be set in the past, but the historical epic is such a wide-ranging genre that it never really goes out of fashion. 

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RE: Has The 'Historical Epic' Bubble Burst? - 16/5/2006 7:53:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Rotary Ten

It's interesting that you're all talking about classical or medieval stories. These films come and go in cycles, but the term "historical epic" surely applies just as much to any film concerned with a particular event in history e.g. Saving Private Ryan. Obviously we have to exclude dramas that happen to be set in the past, but the historical epic is such a wide-ranging genre that it never really goes out of fashion. 


Munich, Spielberg's latest historical epic was brilliant.

But I think we often like to think about classical/medieval stories because these are mysterious times rooted in myth as well as history.

In case you're wondering, I'm looking forward to the BBC's new Robin Hood.

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RE: Has The 'Historical Epic' Bubble Burst? - 28/5/2006 12:26:26 AM   
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Bumped for Jomar and his/her Beowulf interest....

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RE: Has The 'Historical Epic' Bubble Burst? - 28/5/2006 10:31:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Timon

Bumped for Jomar and his/her Beowulf interest....


Wow thanks Timon! (I`m a `her` BTW!!)

Ok so what I did on Friday night was to draft a petition to the Spice Factory and any UK film distributors to try and get Beowulf and Grendel a cinematic release in UK. The Spice factory are the UK co-producers of the film and we are hoping to lobby them for a release! I`m asking for help now in publicising it! Please sign it and pass it on through all internet comunites you take part in, send it to your friends, family, pets, dentist, websites, livejournals, blogs, forums anywhere you can think of! Although I am asking only UK residents to sign it please pass it to friends from other countries - they also might have friends and contacts in UK who they in turn can pass it to!

The petition is here
http://www.petitiononline.com/BEOWULF/petition.html

Thanks for everyone`s help! Let`s try and make them sit up and take notice! 

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RE: Has The 'Historical Epic' Bubble Burst? - 28/5/2006 10:33:08 AM   
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Your petition link isn't working....

If you're excited about Butler in Beowulf, you should really be pumped for '300'. THAT looks amazing.

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RE: Has The 'Historical Epic' Bubble Burst? - 28/5/2006 10:36:20 AM   
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I just fixed it Timon! Thanks!

I am excited about 300 but again it`s my kind of film! I love anything with a historic turn to it! The graphic novel is great and the film looks like it`s going to be a really close `fit` to it! I am equally excited about seeing David Wenham in that one!

ETA The server is down right now - you can read but can`t sign at the moment - please keep trying!


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RE: Has The 'Historical Epic' Bubble Burst? - 29/5/2006 5:47:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: doctorolorinbats1975

I do believe Lucas always had a taste for the epics, given his SW prequels were more modelled stylistically on that genre. Fall of the Roman Empire would be interesting, given how Lucas seemingly wants to make his politics revelant (Palpatine as Bush anyone?).


Let's just hope he doesn't write the damn thing himself !!

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RE: Has The 'Historical Epic' Bubble Burst? - 23/6/2006 9:30:48 AM   
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Bumped for Mozza.

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RE: Has The 'Historical Epic' Bubble Burst? - 23/6/2006 9:45:27 AM   
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Oooh thanks for bumping this! I was coming in with an update! Our petition is up to 437 today. it has slowed recently - I blame the hot weather and the world cup for that! Please keep telling people and keep it going up! I am really grateful!

Initial box office takings and reviews from the US are promising. With more cities showing it over the coming weeks I am trying to be optimistic!

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RE: Has The 'Historical Epic' Bubble Burst? - 23/6/2006 4:04:26 PM   
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RE: Has The 'Historical Epic' Bubble Burst? - 23/6/2006 4:09:27 PM   
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i would love to see a movie about when king harold defeated the vikings,only to be invaded about a week later by the normans(1066)100 years of french rule(boo)then when the english rose again to kick the buggers out ,i think it was alfred the great,although my history is a little hazy you get the idea.lots of battles,and quests for freedom.

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RE: Has The 'Historical Epic' Bubble Burst? - 19/8/2006 11:07:35 AM   
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Just trying to update everyone I can think of with the news!

http://geocities.com/faramirfan1@btinternet.com/beowulf

Please check it out and come along if you are able to or pass the news onto friends! We need to make this a success.

Thanks to everyone for your support and help with achieving this! Watch that webpage for any updates!

Cheers

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RE: Has The 'Historical Epic' Bubble Burst? - 20/8/2006 11:19:22 PM   
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there's no denying that the box office hasn't been kind to the genre since gladiator, but as with with all genres, i remain hopeful that the next one will be good. beowolf and grendel looks good, pathfinder shows promise, and 300 should be a marvel to behold.

has the bubble burst? does one hit really constitute a bubble?


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RE: Has The 'Historical Epic' Bubble Burst? - 20/8/2006 11:25:39 PM   
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Pathfinder does look good!

300 - a test screening in the US the other day was received well (gross understatement there!)

I am looking forward to both!



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RE: Has The 'Historical Epic' Bubble Burst? - 20/8/2006 11:45:42 PM   
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I'm really stoked that the buzz and what-not about '300' is gaining momentum.It'll be great to see Spartans in full-on battle frenzy,even if they inexplicably aren't wearing armour (Miller,how well did you research your GN?).Pathfinder looks like it could be a bit of fun but,and Jomar will no doubt concur here,check out the Beowulf & Grendel trailer if you want to see what Vikings actually looked like.The Pathfinder Vikings look like Frank Frazetta's 'Death Dealer'-very stylish and very impressive,but they don't look like Vikings.
And I'm also delighted to hear the BBC are producing a new Robin Hood series.Looking forward to that.
Oh,and anyone that's interested in Hannibal/historical novels should read Ross Leckie's Carthaginian trilogy:Hannibal,Scipio and Carthage.Excellent stuff. 

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RE: Has The 'Historical Epic' Bubble Burst? - 21/8/2006 12:00:25 AM   
jomar

 

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ORIGINAL: Cuchulainn

Jomar will no doubt concur here,check out the Beowulf & Grendel trailer if you want to see what Vikings actually looked like.The Pathfinder Vikings look like Frank Frazetta's 'Death Dealer'-very stylish and very impressive,but they don't look like Vikings.


Glad you like the look for B&G. Check out the webpage for Valentine armouries here if it interests you.

http://www.varmouries.com/

http://www.varmouries.com/vmovies.html  Scroll down for B&G

I am looking forward to the new Robin Hood series too!



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RE: Has The 'Historical Epic' Bubble Burst? - 21/8/2006 5:30:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: danbo1138

i would love to see a movie about when king harold defeated the vikings,only to be invaded about a week later by the normans(1066)100 years of french rule(boo)then when the english rose again to kick the buggers out ,i think it was alfred the great,although my history is a little hazy you get the idea.lots of battles,and quests for freedom.


I would hardly say that the French (or rather the Normans - they considered themselves qutie different!) were kicked out, considering that Norman French was the language of the aristrocracy for a good couple of centuries at least.

The sotry of Simon De Montfort would make a good epic.

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RE: Has The 'Historical Epic' Bubble Burst? - 5/9/2006 9:27:14 PM   
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Just a quick bump to remind anyone who is interested that the one off UK screening of Beowulf and Grendel is this coming Saturday!

Click the link in my signature for details or visit www.phoenixcinema.co.uk

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RE: Has The 'Historical Epic' Bubble Burst? - 24/9/2006 4:55:34 PM   
Timon


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Jomar, is a DVD out of it yet?

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RE: Has The 'Historical Epic' Bubble Burst? - 24/9/2006 5:10:09 PM   
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Region 1 is out in Canada already, (I have that one) and will be out in the US this week. Region 2 can be ordered from Mainland Europe or various folks are selling it on eBay. Sadly nowhere in the UK yet though! It is hard to try and get people interested in a film when even the UK co producers have no interest.

The screening went pretty well, despite being hampered by darn London transport not wanting to play fair! The cinema said it was the best Saturday afternoon they have had for a long time!

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RE: Has The 'Historical Epic' Bubble Burst? - 24/9/2006 5:12:27 PM   
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I can't find the R1 Canadian DVD on the likes of Amazon. Can you point me the direction of a reliable cheap place to get it so i may purchase it and spread interest in this bad boy?

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RE: Has The 'Historical Epic' Bubble Burst? - 24/9/2006 5:19:22 PM   
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Try www.amazon.ca for the Canadian one  (click the link) However it may not come with that cover.

I don't have a site for region 2 yet but I know there are a couple. I am watching one on eBay - region 2 comes in a steel case - I am a sucker for DVDs in different packaging! Sad I know! eBay is probably your cheapest option given the cost of postage from Canada.

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RE: Has The 'Historical Epic' Bubble Burst? - 24/9/2006 5:51:24 PM   
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Yeah Timon,I got mine from Amazon.ca-Cover is a bit unimaginative...a slimline pack too.Great stuff though...Hi jo,by the way...hope you had a great day at the screening...

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RE: Has The 'Historical Epic' Bubble Burst? - 24/9/2006 5:55:46 PM   
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Hi Cuchulainn!

Yep, a good day was had by all! We had a representative from the Embassy of Iceland in Lonond who came and enjoyed the film too!

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RE: Has The 'Historical Epic' Bubble Burst? - 24/9/2006 6:02:58 PM   
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It's an astonishingly beautiful country...have you seen the trailer for 300 yet jomar?looks great...Gerry Butler obviously spent every waking hour working out...Talk about a brick shithouse...

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RE: Has The 'Historical Epic' Bubble Burst? - 24/9/2006 6:06:51 PM   
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If you haven't, I found a downloadable Quicktime version of the 300 trailer. I like it.

Right Click and Save as.

First of it looks like they have remained as faithful as they can to Frank Miller's work. Over the top action, backdrops that look as beautiful as they can be and men who are clearly sculptured by the Gods themselves.

This is history at it's most graphically beautiful and absurdly stylish. Where men are men and women are submissive.

Not to sure about the slow mo fighting but it could work and also some of the background work looks like it needs tweaking but on the whole i'm impressed. It looks exactly as I expected - beautiful and over the top. This is not Gladiator, nor Alexander. It's not even Troy. This is Frank Miller's idea of what Thermopalyae should have been. Beautiful and bloody at the same time.

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RE: Has The 'Historical Epic' Bubble Burst? - 24/9/2006 6:21:12 PM   
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That looks....mental.

Would like to see nice HD trailer. And the film too of course.

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RE: Has The 'Historical Epic' Bubble Burst? - 23/10/2006 5:51:50 PM   
Timon


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Thought i'd resurrect this thread as I was going to start one on THE LAST LEGION and just figured I do it here. Anyway, if you've seen the first page you'll know that THE LAST LEGION is set during the last days of the Roman Empires. As the Roman empire crumbles, young Romulus Augustus flees the city and is kidnapped by Visigoths. A "Last Legion" on loyal troops embarks on a perilous voyage to Britain to track him down and save him.

The film has an impressive cast including Colin Firth, Ben Kingsley, Kevin McKidd, Alexander Siddig, John Hannah and Bollywood stunner Aishwarya Rai.

Currently shooting in Slovakia, Bratislava, The Last Legion is produced by Dino De Laurentis, based on the novel by Valerio [Massimo] Manfredi and directed by Doug Lefler (apparantly the 'genius' that gave us Dragonheart 2).

Ben Kingsley has said "It's an epic movie...spectacular like Excalibur, enthralling fascinating like The Gladiator."
 
I've watched the below French preview and it looks..........ok. Looks very Xena-esque which is not what you want. I think it's going to be a case of wait and see but at the moment i've very unsure.

French Preview

Anyway, here are some new pictures i've found online. Once again not very inspiring stuff. Does make me wonder why all these actors signed up for it...except for Ben Kingsley, he'd sign up for a Ginster pasty advert if he could get some cash.





























































Awww Christ, it's the kid from Love Actually.......

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RE: Has The 'Historical Epic' Bubble Burst? - 23/10/2006 6:00:59 PM   
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I love epic movies, becuase history has a lot of amazing stories for films.
It depends on how entertaining the movie is.
A good epic movie is the one who tells a story with fidelity and itīs entertaining/thrilling/emotion/full of ation at the same time.

I think "The Passion of the Christ" has all this, concerning the last hours of Jesus (Not the whole story) It tells a story faithful but itīs not boring movie.
But "Gladiator" is not accurated to historics facts.
"Troy" is not accurate.
Perhpas "Kingdom of heaven" is the most accurate


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RE: Has The 'Historical Epic' Bubble Burst? - 23/10/2006 6:22:41 PM   
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"Troy" is not accurate.



Well that's because it's a myth.

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