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RE: Benedict Cumberbatch Boldly Going... - 5/1/2012 9:05:41 AM   
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 Great news on Benedict; both he and Tom Hardy are really going places now which is brill!

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RE: Benedict Cumberbatch Boldly Going... - 5/1/2012 9:14:58 AM   
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 Cumberbatch should totally play Sybok in this film, you know.

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RE: Benedict Cumberbatch Boldly Going... - 5/1/2012 10:12:29 AM   
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 Good call; I think Benedict is a great actor really hitting his stride so interesting to see what he'd do in a villainous role (if he's definitely playing a villain of couse).

I very much liked his turn in Atonement which played on charm which he can do in spades but then perverted it once the truth came out; watching his performance again after knowing what his character was up to you can see a lot of subtle nastiness. As a villain I guess my only gripe would be that he doesn't come across as very physically formidable and as the 2009 film was quite physical I'd be surprised if this one didn't feature some kind of throw down between Bad Guy and Kirk/Spock/whomever again. Eric Bana made quite a forboding impression and basically beat Kirk down with minimal effort so if a boss fight came up in the sequel I'd be interested to see how they'd play it - then again Benedict is quite wiry so maybe as a combatant he'd be all about speed and precision striking than blunt force. Plus if he's an alien character then appearance means dick I suppose.

Anyway, good addition to the cast whatever he's playing.

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RE: Benedict Cumberbatch Boldly Going... - 5/1/2012 11:21:18 AM   
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As a villain I guess my only gripe would be that he doesn't come across as very physically formidable and as the 2009 film was quite physical I'd be surprised if this one didn't feature some kind of throw down between Bad Guy and Kirk/Spock/whomever again. Eric Bana made quite a forboding impression and basically beat Kirk down with minimal effort so if a boss fight came up in the sequel I'd be interested to see how they'd play it - then again Benedict is quite wiry so maybe as a combatant he'd be all about speed and precision striking than blunt force. Plus if he's an alien character then appearance means dick I suppose.




You're assuming that to be a great villain you have to be physically formidable. Most of the best bad guys are physically weak but intellectually superior to their opponent.

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RE: Benedict Cumberbatch Boldly Going... - 5/1/2012 11:32:25 AM   
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 This is Star Trek so we have to see Kirk get into a few fist fights.The villain should be physically formidable or at least have an imposing henchman.It would also be nice to see Pines Kirk actually WIN a fight ot two in the sequel(he got his ass handed to him more than once in the 2009 film).

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RE: Noel Clarke Boldly Going... - 5/1/2012 12:28:42 PM   
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Noel Clarke (Doctor Who, Kidulthood, Centurion) has been cast in the Star Trek sequel joining Alice Eve, Paul Weller and Nolan North.

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=85639

He'll play a "family man". Christ, bare minimum of detail Paramount!



if he's a scientist he could be playing richard daystrom, who invented the computers used on starships.

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RE: Noel Clarke Boldly Going... - 6/1/2012 7:24:43 PM   
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As long as Tim from the Office doesn't turn up playing a Klingon I'll be happy.

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RE: Noel Clarke Boldly Going... - 6/1/2012 7:25:42 PM   
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Seriously old Sherlock is a good actor and he will probably either be a scientist or surely a Klingon?

I would find it hard to believe this Star Trek movie won't have a heavy Klingon presence in it.

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RE: Benedict Cumberbatch Boldly Going... - 6/1/2012 8:31:56 PM   
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This is Star Trek so we have to see Kirk get into a few fist fights.The villain should be physically formidable or at least have an imposing henchman.It would also be nice to see Pines Kirk actually WIN a fight ot two in the sequel(he got his ass handed to him more than once in the 2009 film).


Indiana Jones got his ass handed to him all the time - audiences can relate to that, and feel good when the hero finally gets the upper hand.

As for fist fights - Wrath of Khan did ok without Kirk fighting Khan directly.


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RE: Benedict Cumberbatch Boldly Going... - 7/1/2012 10:15:33 AM   
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This is Star Trek so we have to see Kirk get into a few fist fights.The villain should be physically formidable or at least have an imposing henchman.It would also be nice to see Pines Kirk actually WIN a fight ot two in the sequel(he got his ass handed to him more than once in the 2009 film).


Indiana Jones got his ass handed to him all the time - audiences can relate to that, and feel good when the hero finally gets the upper hand.

As for fist fights - Wrath of Khan did ok without Kirk fighting Khan directly.



Exactly, we all know Khan would've wasted Kirk in a fight (being genetically superior n' all) but that wasn't the point. It was all about the mind games between the two, trying to outsmart each other, that's why the film works. If it had just been some dumb fist fights I don't think the film would be as revered as it is today.

I really hope they don't go down the Khan road, the characters too iconic and has already been done, I can't see anyone topping Ricardo Montablan's performance.


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RE: Benedict Cumberbatch Boldly Going... - 7/1/2012 10:25:32 AM   
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 You can do Khan without it being Wrath of...Just have the new timeline depict Khan and followers carrying out the plan that was the reason for them being marooned. There is a certain level of viciousness and horror to the plan that would produce good bad guy, not the angry thwarted vengeful Khan going after the man he holds responsible for his barren life, but the arrogant, superior Khan that intended to subjugate/wipe out the non genetically engineered inferiors. Same character, different story, because there's a different drive behind the characters actions making it far enough away from the second movie to be a story worth telling, basically because the lead in is different to the earlier one. In the new timeline maybe Khan wouldn;t be encountered until after the plan is in effect. There's then fan service for people who know the kind of thing to expect (but even then, the story wouldn't be the same, since the full horror of what the marooning avoided could be depicted) and many people, like the new crew, wouldn;t even know who Khan is.

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RE: Benedict Cumberbatch Boldly Going... - 7/1/2012 8:31:56 PM   
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No I agree that if they are going down a new timeline then we don't really want to see any major old villains appear. Ok perhaps a little cameo or something but don't retread over old ground or it is really a wasted opportunity.

But we do need to see Kirk fight! And his shirt has to get ripped off!

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RE: Benedict Cumberbatch Boldly Going... - 9/1/2012 2:31:22 PM   
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more trek casting talk from j j

http://trekmovie.com/2012/01/08/jj-abrams-gives-star-trek-sequel-production-update-talks-cumberbatch-casting/

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RE: Noel Clarke Boldly Going... - 9/1/2012 2:46:26 PM   
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Seriously old Sherlock is a good actor and he will probably either be a scientist or surely a Klingon?

I would find it hard to believe this Star Trek movie won't have a heavy Klingon presence in it.


Actually I was thinking Vulcan...but an eeeeevil (or perceived to be) Vulcan. Given the events of the reboot I think there's scope for a lot more dramatic turns for that race and further to take Spock in unexpected directions given the new/alternate timeline.

With you on the Klingons though; surely next to Khan they're a classic antagonistic presence that people are interested to see Abrams put a spin on? Not counting the deleted scene from the 2009 film of course.

Also Kirk's got to have a fistfight with a lizard man and get his shirt torn. Or just tear it himself at some point ala that great episode of Futurama where he does it to get into the right mood.

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RE: Noel Clarke Boldly Going... - 10/1/2012 11:26:11 AM   
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or b c could a mad scientist/rogue starship captain?

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RE: Noel Clarke Boldly Going... - 10/1/2012 2:22:11 PM   
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 Possibilities are endless really, regardless of who he's playing I hope he nails it.

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RE: Noel Clarke Boldly Going... - 10/1/2012 5:47:01 PM   
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or b c could a mad scientist/rouge starship captain?


LOL

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RE: Benedict Cumberbatch Boldly Going... - 11/1/2012 1:10:56 PM   
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the benedict/alice connection-

http://trekmovie.com/2012/01/10/alice-eve-talks-cumberbatch-working-on-star-trek-clips-from-past-cumberbatcheve-films/


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RE: Benedict Cumberbatch Boldly Going... - 13/1/2012 12:06:00 PM   
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RE: Benedict Cumberbatch Boldly Going... - 13/1/2012 12:44:43 PM   
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 Damn! I'm really looking forward to this film! I loved the 'first' one, i thought JJ did a magnifiicent job on it, and i cannot wait to see what else he hs in store for us!



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RE: Benedict Cumberbatch Boldly Going... - 14/1/2012 5:55:22 PM   
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Looking forward to this second J.J Abrams take on Star Trek as I really enjoyed the 2009 refreshing take,though die-hard Trekkies have issues with it.


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RE: Benedict Cumberbatch Boldly Going... - 17/1/2012 12:09:21 PM   
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BC not a villain?-

http://trekmovie.com/2012/01/16/benedict-cumberbatch-talks-prep-for-star-trek-sequel-role/

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RE: Benedict Cumberbatch Boldly Going... - 17/1/2012 12:48:13 PM   
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RE: Benedict Cumberbatch Boldly Going... - 17/1/2012 12:57:00 PM   
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 Maybe hel be playing the crazy Dr Richard Daystrom from the classic episode ''The Ultimate Computer'' ?

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RE: Benedict Cumberbatch Boldly Going... - 17/1/2012 5:06:54 PM   
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As a villain I guess my only gripe would be that he doesn't come across as very physically formidable and as the 2009 film was quite physical I'd be surprised if this one didn't feature some kind of throw down between Bad Guy and Kirk/Spock/whomever again. Eric Bana made quite a forboding impression and basically beat Kirk down with minimal effort so if a boss fight came up in the sequel I'd be interested to see how they'd play it - then again Benedict is quite wiry so maybe as a combatant he'd be all about speed and precision striking than blunt force. Plus if he's an alien character then appearance means dick I suppose.




You're assuming that to be a great villain you have to be physically formidable. Most of the best bad guys are physically weak but intellectually superior to their opponent.


Not at all, just felt that the last film was quite energetic and physical so am thinking that the next may have a similar approach and in which case I'd expect some kind of boss fight. Pure wild speculation.

I'd debate that "most of the best bad guys are physically weak" statement but I understand exactly what you mean and agree that the mark of a good or great villain doesn't have to include being a brawler by any means.

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RE: Benedict Cumberbatch Boldly Going... - 17/1/2012 5:10:58 PM   
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As a villain I guess my only gripe would be that he doesn't come across as very physically formidable and as the 2009 film was quite physical I'd be surprised if this one didn't feature some kind of throw down between Bad Guy and Kirk/Spock/whomever again. Eric Bana made quite a forboding impression and basically beat Kirk down with minimal effort so if a boss fight came up in the sequel I'd be interested to see how they'd play it - then again Benedict is quite wiry so maybe as a combatant he'd be all about speed and precision striking than blunt force. Plus if he's an alien character then appearance means dick I suppose.




You're assuming that to be a great villain you have to be physically formidable. Most of the best bad guys are physically weak but intellectually superior to their opponent.


Not at all, just felt that the last film was quite energetic and physical so am thinking that the next may have a similar approach and in which case I'd expect some kind of boss fight. Pure wild speculation.

I'd debate that "most of the best bad guys are physically weak" statement but I understand exactly what you mean and agree that the mark of a good or great villain doesn't have to include being a brawler by any means.


I should've said "many" instead of "most", my bad.

On that subject I reckon Cumberbatch will play Khan (assuming Khan is in the film).

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RE: Benedict Cumberbatch Boldly Going... - 18/1/2012 10:54:13 AM   
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This is Star Trek so we have to see Kirk get into a few fist fights.The villain should be physically formidable or at least have an imposing henchman.It would also be nice to see Pines Kirk actually WIN a fight ot two in the sequel(he got his ass handed to him more than once in the 2009 film).


Indiana Jones got his ass handed to him all the time - audiences can relate to that, and feel good when the hero finally gets the upper hand.

As for fist fights - Wrath of Khan did ok without Kirk fighting Khan directly.



Exactly, we all know Khan would've wasted Kirk in a fight (being genetically superior n' all) but that wasn't the point. It was all about the mind games between the two, trying to outsmart each other, that's why the film works. If it had just been some dumb fist fights I don't think the film would be as revered as it is today.

I really hope they don't go down the Khan road, the characters too iconic and has already been done, I can't see anyone topping Ricardo Montablan's performance.



Actually Kirk defeated Khan in hand to hand combat in the original series episode ''Space Seed''.

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RE: Benedict Cumberbatch Boldly Going... - 18/1/2012 12:03:06 PM   
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This is Star Trek so we have to see Kirk get into a few fist fights.The villain should be physically formidable or at least have an imposing henchman.It would also be nice to see Pines Kirk actually WIN a fight ot two in the sequel(he got his ass handed to him more than once in the 2009 film).


Indiana Jones got his ass handed to him all the time - audiences can relate to that, and feel good when the hero finally gets the upper hand.

As for fist fights - Wrath of Khan did ok without Kirk fighting Khan directly.



Exactly, we all know Khan would've wasted Kirk in a fight (being genetically superior n' all) but that wasn't the point. It was all about the mind games between the two, trying to outsmart each other, that's why the film works. If it had just been some dumb fist fights I don't think the film would be as revered as it is today.

I really hope they don't go down the Khan road, the characters too iconic and has already been done, I can't see anyone topping Ricardo Montablan's performance.



Actually Kirk defeated Khan in hand to hand combat in the original series episode ''Space Seed''.



Yes I know this, I'm speaking of Khan post Ceti Alpha V. The one all pumped up, weather beaten, angry and vengeful. A very different person to the Lothario we saw earlier in Space Seed. That Khan wasn't prepared for Kirk, the latter one would've kicked his ass.


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RE: Benedict Cumberbatch Boldly Going... - 18/1/2012 12:42:37 PM   
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they could pick a latino actor to play khan if he was in the film as they would a black actor to play daystrom.

though an asian actor like the one who played the kelvin's captain would be better.

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RE: Benedict Cumberbatch Boldly Going... - 18/1/2012 5:15:02 PM   
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 If it is Khan, I will honestly be very disappointed.

Which is why I'm almost sure it won't be.

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