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RE: The Irish Thread! - 23/11/2010 12:11:04 AM   
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Ah the tones of a Tory MP on BBC R4 this morning saying we should leave the Euro, or the knee jerk BS of American right wingers saying our crisis is a clear example of the failure of European socialism.
Feck all related to greed, Ted.

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RE: The Irish Thread! - 23/11/2010 12:16:43 PM   
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If Ireland leaves the Euro (and let's imagine for a second this is possible, which in reality it isn't), but if it did, where would it go? I only see 2 options:

1) Back to the Punt. The country will become a bigger basket case than it is. The banks here are so weak that the currency will be speculated on and devalued immediately.

2) Join another currency, or fixing the Punt to one, such as Sterling or Dollar. This may provide stability but is hugely politically impossible (especially sterling even if there is some economical sense in being tied to the largest trading partner).

So there is no alternative.

The American right-wingers are also wrong. This is really the same problem as the American sub-prime mortgage issue that left them in dire straits. ECB lent Ireland loads of cheap money, that its banks frittered away and now can't repay.


As far as I understand - which probably isn't two far. There are two main issues that are affecting the country right now.

1) The banks are untenable. Despite govt guarantees of billions, and NAMA the banks now see huge amounts of money sucked out of them. They are not able to repay loans and ECB isn't willing to give them any more. This is a real issue for IMF to work out how we can roll up our banks, sell off what can be sold off and minimalise the impact of the rest. Not an easy task and this is where the IMF will have its work cut out.

2) Govt deficit. Right now the govt is spending more than its taking in. So the budget (and 4 year plan) have to outline what will be done here. The money has to come from somewhere so without doubt taxes will go up. It also has to reduce spending so expect services to go down and social benefits to reduce.

As far as I understand it the European Financial Stability Mechanism can provide up to 60 Billion and the IMF can provide 50% of the EFSB. So expect a loan of around 90 Billion topped up from UK to around 100 Billion.

Right now my money is on the proposals from the government being so bad, with the government already weakened hugely that it will fall before the budget can be agreed. I don't consider this a good position to be in.

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RE: The Irish Thread! - 23/11/2010 12:22:12 PM   
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Yeah muted talk of "ah sure can't we return to the Punt-nua" irritates me. It would be worth feck all. There'd be a run on banks by joe soap. Imagine overnight your euros turned into some worthless currency!

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RE: The Irish Thread! - 23/11/2010 12:25:06 PM   
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How about "Pots and pans. Something they can use. Something they can feel in their hands. They can trade it on the black market, do whatever they want. Everybody's happy"

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RE: The Irish Thread! - 24/11/2010 6:07:05 PM   
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Yay more VAT.  As if it wasn't extortionate enough. 

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RE: The Irish Thread! - 24/11/2010 8:45:24 PM   
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Yay more VAT.  As if it wasn't extortionate enough. 


Didn't this fail the last time it was introduced? Newry shopping centre must be jumping up and down with joy again.

I've not read the detail of the package yet, but my initial feeling is that the burden has not been spread. I'm not convinced by the plan. And I'm certainly not convinced by the growth figures. While I agree that exports have been rising, we still have the problem that banks can't / won't give loans to SMEs so they can't grow.

I'm pretty surprised one of the opposition parties haven't tabled a no-confidence vote yet. If there plan is to let this pass and then the budget pass and then throw their hands up saying "what can we do?" I believe that is shirking.

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RE: The Irish Thread! - 24/11/2010 9:25:40 PM   
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Yay more VAT.  As if it wasn't extortionate enough. 


Didn't this fail the last time it was introduced? Newry shopping centre must be jumping up and down with joy again.

I've not read the detail of the package yet, but my initial feeling is that the burden has not been spread. I'm not convinced by the plan. And I'm certainly not convinced by the growth figures. While I agree that exports have been rising, we still have the problem that banks can't / won't give loans to SMEs so they can't grow.

I'm pretty surprised one of the opposition parties haven't tabled a no-confidence vote yet. If there plan is to let this pass and then the budget pass and then throw their hands up saying "what can we do?" I believe that is shirking.


Good post.

Yeah the Brits are putting their VAT up a bit from Jan so the belief is the increase here will be offset by that.

Here's a link to the full thing : http://tinyurl.com/34zb73l
You'd be right in thinking the burden is not being spread.

Here's a quote form TASC :

quote:

“In terms of income tax, single persons on €40,000 and those earning €300,000 will both see their income tax bills rise by €1,860 based on changes to basic credits and tax bands. In effect, this means that those on the average industrial wage will take the same hit as top earners.



The opposition have been pretty subdued imo. Neither FG or Labour have really spoken strongly against the min wage cut. Leo Vardakar on RTE News special earlier tried to play the Keynesian economics game and Joan Burton wants to give us a new deal but there's secret meetings going on. Well, you'd imagine so since Cowen made late night phone calls to Gilmore and Kenny.

You're probably right on your assertion that they're  going to blame dumb and say "woops, what can we do?! budget's already passed"

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RE: The Irish Thread! - 24/11/2010 9:26:34 PM   
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Pretty much every expert I heard on the old radio before last year's budget said VAT should be lowered to stimulate the economy...

Can't see much money coming into this country any time soon.  Why would anyone comes to this kip to get screwed by criminally high prices?  I know this would be one of the last places on my holiday list.

As expected in the budget the government buries the lower and middle class deeper and deeper for it and the fatcats can climb a couple of inch towards the top of the grave.


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RE: The Irish Thread! - 25/11/2010 7:56:51 AM   
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I woke up this morning with a nasty taste in my mouth and a sense of disgust in my head. I don't know any fat cats and I don't know any developers, all I do know is a lot of good people who work hard, try to make the best life they can for their families and take whatever the government throws at them on the chin.

On that note, I'm appalled that the minimum wage will be reduced by 1 Euro (what is that about 12%) pay cut, when the Taoiseach isn't going to drop his exhorbitant salary by a cent. I'm not believing this is a sufficient step to keep businesses open that are failing. I really don't believe there are a load of employers out there saying they'd take on a load of staff if they could just pay them a bit less. But I do think people on minimum wage (or those who's salary is marked against that) will just get paid less and suffer more. I hear FF voices quick to compare SW payments or minimum wage with those north of the border, but they never seem to include senior civil service or TD pay comparisons.

Brian Cowen can say to his dying breath that he has done no wrong, that he made decisions based on the best information and advice available, but all but the most ardent FF supporters know this is BS. As Finance Minister and then Taoiseach, it seems he never asked the question of what if this goes wrong? Since the bubble burst he's let discredited bankers who brought the country to the brink of collapse off with big pensions and not a single one arrested and charged. The regulator walked out with a massive pay out and pension, could anyone in Ireland have done a worse job in the last decade? And now his plan is to make those who benefitted least from the celtic tiger suffer most in the bad times.

If I didn't have a house that is worth so much less than I bought it for and a wife who wouldn't leave her family, I'd be packing my bags right now. I've no problem with making a contribution to righting the country, but the way this is panning out I feel like I'm gonna be made an eejit of by the govt.

Taoiseach doesn't give a shit now. He knows he'll not be in power for more than another few weeks, then he'll feck off with a massive pension and probably get paid a shit load as an advisor to a bank or some bollox. If I were unemployed (I'm not now, but have been), I'd be off to Offaly to stand against Cowen in the upcoming election.


EDIT: Now I'm raging, because I read this http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/john-drennan/john-drennan-divided-dail-unites-to-give-itself-a-pay-rise-2410792.html

"The cost of salaries for TDs, senators and secretarial assistants will increase, while salaries of staff like those in catering and behind the Dail bar will decrease."

I'm usually too laissez-faire and lazy to do anything, but for the first time ever I may well turn up to a protest march on Saturday.

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RE: The Irish Thread! - 25/11/2010 10:29:28 AM   
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Yep, gotta love the TD's increasing their salaries....no mention of abolishing the Seanad, no mention of expenses or giving up their ministerial cars. They really do love spitting in the Irish public's faces, alright.

It's gotten to the point where even the mere glimpse of Cowen's bloated, smug, unapologetic, jowly face makes me want to hurl. They had a chance to make cuts in the fairest way possible, but yet again, it's the family with mortgages they can barely afford to pay, the lowest paid and the unemployed who get hit the hardest.

No raising of corporation tax - not even by a half percent (which would still make us the lowest in Europe), no, instead they slap a blanket property tax on every home owner in Ireland, regardless of their means. Add this to the Carbon tax, the rise in VAT, the new water rates and the universal cut in child benefit and you are gonna have some pretty desperate people come the New Year.

No drop at all in the state pension. I honestly don't see why any pensioner would feel they should be immune from any cuts. The majority of pensioners have no dependents, no mortgage, low weekly grocery costs, free travel, free medical care, free TV licences and grants to help them cover fuel, electricity and telephone costs. How on earth is lowering their pensions by even a fiver, going to send them into poverty exactly??

My partner and I have been making enquiries about moving to the UK. We have a young family and I don't want them growing up burdened with a massive debt and no prospects of work after an expensive college education. As soon as we have enough money saved up and can find somewhere to live, we'll be gone.

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RE: The Irish Thread! - 25/11/2010 2:37:34 PM   
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http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056100295

So why would anyone trust anything these guys say?


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RE: The Irish Thread! - 25/11/2010 2:58:23 PM   
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Great stuff, this must be my favourite

Brian Lenihan; 9 Dec 2009. Six One News
“The worst is over, we’ve turned a corner”

One of the lads was on TV last night, still claiming that FF hadn't been lying to us about the bailout the other week, because the question was had Ireland applied for it, not were we discussing it. Its quite clear that right now, they don't know how to tell the truth.

Still I say that the other lots are just as money grabbing and useless. When the Dail recently voted that it increase allowances not a single dissenting voice could be heard. They are all on the same gravy train and whatever affiliation they are in they really don't give a stuff.

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RE: The Irish Thread! - 25/11/2010 6:46:23 PM   
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Great stuff, this must be my favourite

Brian Lenihan; 9 Dec 2009. Six One News
"The worst is over, we've turned a corner”

One of the lads was on TV last night, still claiming that FF hadn't been lying to us about the bailout the other week, because the question was had Ireland applied for it, not were we discussing it. Its quite clear that right now, they don't know how to tell the truth.

Still I say that the other lots are just as money grabbing and useless. When the Dail recently voted that it increase allowances not a single dissenting voice could be heard. They are all on the same gravy train and whatever affiliation they are in they really don't give a stuff.



I don't think it would be a great leap to suggest that many people feeling politicians are out for themselves are want to get on the gravy train rather than represent the interests and needs of you and I.

This is surely utterly corrosive and a greater threat to democracy than what you get in a military state? If people have no faith that their vote means anything then what do you end up with?

"Anything but FF" just isn't good enough I don't think.

Even if you look at our method of how we elect representatives there's very little engagement, like there's not a particularly strong dynamic there between the lives of people and the 166 reps in flash suits. Rather than being asked what you want, what kind of society you want you're presented with policies by two or three different groups that are all broadly the same and media is smothered with supporters of these policies and very little substance.

I was trying to explain the  career of a politician to my 14yr old sister who's in 2nd yr earlier.  Just take a brief glance at the figures of what a TD gets paid then + expenses (€100,000+) , take a look at what ministers are paid (circa half million) and then look at what the majority of working people are paid. It's impossible for the majority's interests to be best represented by someone lapping it up on the gravy train. About half of all earners in the state are on about 30grand or less, avg. industrial is what about 35k, if you're on anything above this you're doing well but a lot goes on tax and you're provided with feck all public services - quick glance at Britain's NHS shows you primary care is provided for on the basis of need not ability to pay & many other EU countries have vastly better welfare states wrt healthcare.

The word austerity is being bandied around like snuff at a wake but there's little in the way of real moral austerity. After World War 2 many European countries were putting up with austerity but there was a collective feeling that everybody was in for in it in equal amounts.

The guy on 40grand paying the same amount of extra tax as someone on €300,000 is an outrage. Austerity my hole. It's grotesque that any public sector worker should get a cent more than 100k.

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RE: The Irish Thread! - 25/11/2010 8:11:55 PM   
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The chances of me voting Green again were slim and whilst I have time for Trevor Sargent, at least he knew he had to resign unlike that fucker O' Dea, I don't think I could for vote them giving what's going to happen education. NEPS is going to be capped so that means little chance of a job in that system when my friend finishes training. Mind you, there were feck all jobs anyway, he'll probably go private. As for the Left alliance announced today, I get an uneasy feeling about the likes of Richard Boyd Barrett. He's been around for a while, but..

As for Mary Hanafin leading FF, please god, no. FF need to pushed aside and left in the wilderness for a good while.

As for pensions, always untouchable, I'd imagine. They know better after what they tried with the medical card and how the Liveline mob came after them.

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RE: The Irish Thread! - 25/11/2010 8:25:56 PM   
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"left in the wilderness for a good while" ... but not forever?

I was hoping for them to cut the pension just cause that might be the end of them. Or at least the end of the organisation. A few of the rats would probs switch jerseys.

My grandmother has been in total shock and awe about the recession & crisis and cuts et al especially the medical card charges on medicines. She had some issues with Dublin Bus drivers passing her at the bus stop late at night after bingo so she had a word with Charlie O'Connor after Saturday evening mass. Of course he wrote back to her on fancy Oireachtas headed paper and she felt all important - but I had to explain to her that it's this guy that is voting for medical card charges, cuts, taxes etc.

It's terrifying to think these boys could be back in office for the Rising anniversary. It's even more terrifying thinking of what this society will look like.

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RE: The Irish Thread! - 25/11/2010 9:20:17 PM   
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Ideally forever, but they'll always get back in, Ireland being one big parish, and all.

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RE: The Irish Thread! - 25/11/2010 9:28:37 PM   
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Maybe Enda will bring in the enabling act to outlaw Fianna Fail.

I've been trying to suggest the idea that Labour refuse to go in with FG which might force Enda to cross the floor and rejoin the mercury to become Fianna Gael. Then maybe there'd be a serious chance for change. It's dire that 60years after the first coalition govt. that's still the only option essentially.

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RE: The Irish Thread! - 26/11/2010 8:10:41 AM   
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Just watching BBC's Breakfast show. They had an item on how UK councils have been stock-piling salt, have new "sticky salt", have fitted sat nav to some trucks and have put in a lot of other measures after last year.

I dread to think what has been done over here as a cold spell is forecast.

In other news, from the voice of children:

"Dear Mr Cowen. My name is Evan Tynan Geary. I am eight years old. I like school. I like my mammy and daddy. They work very hard. We have a nice house. I am very sad that you hurt Ireland. You have hurt my mammy, daddy and me. We have to pay lots of money. Signed Evan Tynan Geary."

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RE: The Irish Thread! - 26/11/2010 8:27:06 AM   
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Just watching BBC's Breakfast show. They had an item on how councils have been stock-piling salt, have new "sticky salt", have fitted sat nav to some trucks and have put in a lot of other measures after last year.

I dread to think what has been done over here as a cold spell is forecast.


In Scotland they have grit/salt* bins at the sides of roads. At the sides of roads nearly everywhere even in estates. Miles ahead of the game they are.

I'm still embarrassed about the fiasco last year/earlier this year when Dublin was ground to a halt totally iced over and people had to walk home from town. Not to mention the iced in/snowed in/floods that happened elsewhere in the country.


Couple this with international media being exposed to the O'Flynns and Healy-Raes as well as the double speak about the (fictional) bailout and 
really and truly... anger and depression at the same time.




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RE: The Irish Thread! - 28/11/2010 8:14:50 PM   
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Wow, they really have just made a terrible deal. Kicking the can further down the road with imaginary numbers while the guys who've been right on this for the last 18months (Gurdiev, Lucey, P. Matthews) are left out of the loop and the govt. relies on its yes men.

Kevin Cardiff has got to be the most unconvincing finance advisor ever - this crisis surely gives an oppurtunity for greater scrutiny of these "secretary" advisers. He looks like Cowen, dressed like Cowen, spins the same rubbish as Cowen in a similar tone.

They could've played "hardball" and threatened  to torch the bond holders and let banks go to the wall in return for a much lower rate of interest but they chose to bend over. Bizarre. What's even more bizarre is how little support there is for this - there is support but they're hiding in the woodwork.

The pension reserve fund is essentially gone. There is literally nothing to be excited about in this deal.

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RE: The Irish Thread! - 29/11/2010 9:26:46 AM   
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Wow, they really have just made a terrible deal.

They could've played "hardball" and threatened  to torch the bond holders and let banks go to the wall in return for a much lower rate of interest but they chose to bend over. Bizarre.

The pension reserve fund is essentially gone. There is literally nothing to be excited about in this deal.



Just thought it would be easier for me to paraphrase the bits I agree with most, rather than write them out again.

Its incredibly disappointing that the government will save banks, builders, bond holders, shareholders and anything else they can before they save the country's citizens.

I'm no economist, so I'm a bit lost in all of this. But all I can see is that we completely deplete the pension reserve and national deposits. And that the IMF is a bank really and its found a borrower desperate enough (or put into a position where it has no alternative) but to accept its money and the interest rates that go along with this. 5 - 10 years down the line what will we have? Poorer services. A more unjust society. Crippling taxes. No reserve funds. No pension funds.

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RE: The Irish Thread! - 29/11/2010 3:59:06 PM   
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I'm no economist, ...



This phrase is peppered in many conversations at the minute. It doesn't matter if you're not an economist or an epidemiologist or a sociologist or a political commentator with a Phd in politics. Our opinions and contributions should still count.

What's bizarre is that the govt. employ the types of "experts" that they know will give them the results they want eg. Colm McCarthy or Moore McDowell. There are so many economic & banking commentators left out of the loop and on the other end nobody is even bothering to ask what kind of society we'll have. How many radio shows have you heard Kathleen Lynch of for instance? (from UCD's equality dept.)

I'm not just soapboxing but I truly believe people need to get more informed on the issues and take part in society on said issues. The definition of a republic is that the people hold supreme sovereign power in a society based on values of equality - does anyone really think Ireland is an anyway concerned with equality? Seriously?

Representative democracies can only function if those reps adhere to the social contract and there's a great gulf between the services and society people want and the one they're given. Most of this isn't new but with more people relying on a strong welfare state to be told they've to share the pain for other's mistakes I can't see how further alienating will help.

It's not just so called "experts" that should have an input. While some may want to shy away from the "doom and gloom" sticking one's head in the sand won't help.

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RE: The Irish Thread! - 1/12/2010 7:36:22 PM   
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I've not been into Dublin city centre. But apparently it ground to a halt. Which means we learned nothing from last year. And still didn't get any grit in

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RE: The Irish Thread! - 1/12/2010 7:57:30 PM   
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Oh there is grit apparently... I predict a fiasco

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RE: The Irish Thread! - 1/12/2010 9:58:19 PM   
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Although the weather was shot today it is a hell of a lot better than January. The main access roads were passable, although still icy. The big surprise for me is again Amiens Street/North Wall QUAY/Gardiner Street area was fucking insane today. i left work at 2 and didn't get home until 5:30pm

The RSA have said that they order the grit but it is up to the individual councils to distribute it, the council for the above areas wants whipping cos thos streets are more or less the main traffic conduit for southside to Northside

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RE: The Irish Thread! - 2/12/2010 1:11:35 PM   
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1255 The Minister for Transport has said not every road in the country can or will be salted. Noel Dempsey said priority is being given to national primary roads and routes along public transport corridors.

Why do they say this? Do they think we're thick?

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RE: The Irish Thread! - 2/12/2010 2:53:38 PM   
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Gotta love how this country grinds to a standstill when a couple of inches of snow falls. People would rather use this as an excuse not to go to work and blame the government rather than come together and do something about it. No wonder the country is in the state it's in. I'm the only one in my neighbourhood who has bothered to shovelled their driveway.

Looks like An Post are a bunch of slackers too.

quote:

Adverse weather and road conditions overnight have seriously curtailed mails delivery services in the East, South, North East and midlands today. The impact is less acute in the West and North West, though minor roads and higher-lying areas still remain treacherous.

While An Post staff are making every effort to deliver mail wherever possible across the country today, deliveries will be restricted in all areas, most particularly Leinster and Munster.

There will be no deliveries whatsoever in the following areas:

* Dublin 3
* Dublin 5
* Dublin 6W
* Dublin 3
* Dublin 17
* Dublin 24
* Enniscorthy
* Gorey
* New Ross
* Wexford
* West Wicklow
* Arklow
* Muine Bheag (Bagnelstown)


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RE: The Irish Thread! - 2/12/2010 2:58:13 PM   
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I'm the only one in my neighbourhood who has bothered to shovelled their driveway.



You are a good person. I've compiled a mental list of businesses in the area who haven't bothered to grit/salt/shovel/sweep, and I'm checking it twice. Baggot St is like a checkboard, hopping from swept pavement section to icy patches of death.

If a postman couldn't get to a bog road up Donegal I'd understand, but those Dublin areas?! Come on, they're all reachable on foot if nothing else.

That said, I'd love to go home from work early today...


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RE: The Irish Thread! - 2/12/2010 8:01:34 PM   
Keyser Sozzled


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From: Dublin
Most businesses won't shovel snow becuase up until Cowen came out earlier in the week, they would have been held legally liable for anyone who fell on the path that they had shovelled.

It's a bit like the IFA being told they couldn't assist in gritting the road, which is a shame.

However, there is a very easy way to help tackle the overall uslessness of the local authorities. Now I will admit that this idea is some weird out-there shit, it's in fact so bizarre and revolutionary that it will never happen..

Ready?...



Are you sure?...



Okay here goes....




No turning back now....




Make the fucking local authorities ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR AREAS..

The commitee or member of each local authority should be indetified before a weather event and be obliged to give a press conference stating the plan and then give regular updates to the media as they go along. The success criteria should be agreed upon beforehand by the Minister of Transport and if they fail they are fired.

Simples.

< Message edited by Keyser Sozzled -- 2/12/2010 8:02:01 PM >


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RE: The Irish Thread! - 2/12/2010 8:15:34 PM   
Sad Professor


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If you want proper local governance then give them revenue raising powers and significant competence over other areas of local issue as well.

All very well pointed the blame at a glorified patsy when something doesn't go your way.

What did Cowen say about clearing footpaths?

I love Winter, it brings people together. There's a great sense of community on the roads by people. Saw a guy fall on his arse and drop his shopping  - cue three strangers helping him up. On any ordinary day they'd have stepped over him or gone out of their way to avoid helping.

You see it just out walking where more people say hello whereas that has been declining over the boom years in my estimation.

Anyone see that farmer who was out in his tractor this morning at 6am helping tow trucks up a dangerous snowed under road?

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