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007 Is Back! - 17/11/2006 4:50:33 PM   
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First off I have to say that I am an absolutely huge James Bond fan, I might be only now fifteen and so sadly only have been so far legally permitted to see two of the Bond movies on the cinema, but I own every single movie and I love each of them, well some I dislike I suppose, in their own ways. But even a massive fan as I am can admit that the introduction of an invisible car in 2002's Die Another Day is pushing it just a little bit too far. Die Another Day was fun, it is definately one of the weakest of the Bond series, but it did feature cool action sequences, a decent performance by Pierce Brosnan and Halle Berry playing Jinx to perfection. The box office recipts clearly showed that James Bond wasn't out of touch with the audience either. But the producers finally realised it was time for 007 to finally be re-invented or that he hang up his tuxedo for good. Thankfully they decided to re-invent the franchise and all the better for it. You see Casino Royale is a different style of Bond movie, it is still noticeably a Bond movie, but it is a Bond movie that has been brought down to earth and given a complete makeover. Along with this makeover comes a different actor playing James Bond, the last four movies have been playd by Pierce Brosnana. Now Borsnan was a decent enough Bond, he was suave, funny and cool enough to play the legendary spy to perfection. But in my eyes I always found him to a little bit overrated. Don't get me wrong I loved Goldeneye as much as everyone else, but by the time he played Bond for the fourht time he was looking a bit too old to be as believable and as effective as he was when he first put on the tuxedo. So his replacement is none other than the very first blonde 007, a fact that many fans (god knows why) despised and were even raising petitions for him to be kicked off. But thank god then that Daniel Craig is not only better than Pierce Brosnan, but he is definately the best actor to have played James Bond since Sea Connery, and trus

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007 Is Back! - 17/11/2006 4:50:42 PM   
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First off I have to say that I am an absolutely huge James Bond fan, I might be only now fifteen and so sadly only have been so far legally permitted to see two of the Bond movies on the cinema, but I own every single movie and I love each of them, well some I dislike I suppose, in their own ways. But even a massive fan as I am can admit that the introduction of an invisible car in 2002's Die Another Day is pushing it just a little bit too far. Die Another Day was fun, it is definately one of the weakest of the Bond series, but it did feature cool action sequences, a decent performance by Pierce Brosnan and Halle Berry playing Jinx to perfection. The box office recipts clearly showed that James Bond wasn't out of touch with the audience either. But the producers finally realised it was time for 007 to finally be re-invented or that he hang up his tuxedo for good. Thankfully they decided to re-invent the franchise and all the better for it. You see Casino Royale is a different style of Bond movie, it is still noticeably a Bond movie, but it is a Bond movie that has been brought down to earth and given a complete makeover. Along with this makeover comes a different actor playing James Bond, the last four movies have been playd by Pierce Brosnana. Now Borsnan was a decent enough Bond, he was suave, funny and cool enough to play the legendary spy to perfection. But in my eyes I always found him to a little bit overrated. Don't get me wrong I loved Goldeneye as much as everyone else, but by the time he played Bond for the fourht time he was looking a bit too old to be as believable and as effective as he was when he first put on the tuxedo. So his replacement is none other than the very first blonde 007, a fact that many fans (god knows why) despised and were even raising petitions for him to be kicked off. But thank god then that Daniel Craig is not only better than Pierce Brosnan, but he is definately the best actor to have played James Bond since Sea Connery, and trus

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Casino Royale - 17/11/2006 4:57:17 PM   
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Let's not beat around the bush here, Daniel Craig fucking nails it as Bond. Of course there are plot holes and the occasional clunky dialogue ( the "little finger speech" brought the house down at our cinema too); name me a Bond film that doesn't have similar flaws. That's not the point - this was all about DC and he played a blinder! He gave Bond an emotional intensity I've never seen before. I loved it!!

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GR8 - 17/11/2006 5:10:06 PM   
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This film was so much better than die another day. There was hardly any CGI but even when there was, it was actually really good, let's not mention the ice wave from the previous film. For a guy who has never done much stunt work before Daniel Craig does great. The theme song is good aswell!

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Casino Royale - 17/11/2006 5:11:43 PM   
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Let's not beat around the bush here, Daniel Craig fucking nails it as Bond. Of course there are plot holes and the occasional clunky dialogue ( the "little finger speech" brought the house down at our cinema too); name me a Bond film that doesn't have similar flaws. That's not the point - this was all about DC and he played a blinder! He gave Bond an emotional intensity I've never seen before. I loved it!!

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RE: Unbelievable...rubbish - 17/11/2006 5:37:37 PM   
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I cannot fathom the amount of praise heaped upon this third rate film. We seem to have been blinded by the pompous, self-satisfied, smugness of the James Bond franchise. This film was a disjointed mess; the script was unintentionally hilarious (the little finger speech brought the house down), the action was sub-Octopussy, the ending managed to blunt any edginess the film had accidently stumbled across during the preceeding (what felt like) 4 hours, the rampant product placement was shameful, the acting was wooden, the racial sterotypes belonged to films like the War Geese, and the plot made little sense. It takes a lot for a terrorist financier to gain sympathy but this film somehow managed it. It was like watching your Grandad wearing trainers or Richard Madeley doing his Ali-G impression. It was like watching special effects in Eastenders you enjoy. America does this sort of thing ten times better, with more flair and purpose - they make trash action films that despite their plot shortcomings. Casino Royale wanted to be arty and exciting at the same time and produced neither. Without the sentimentality of the James Bond theme it would have got reviewed as a moderately bad espionage thriller. I haven't even mentioned the sado-masochistic homo-erotic sub-text yet...


the bond movies arent "british" movies,made by american studios with american money,and worldwide talent and locations,they dont really fall into any country of classification,just because theyre about a british spy doesnt mean theyre british movies,and as for not fathoming why this "third rate" movie is being praised,maybe its because you dont like good movies?


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RE: Casino Royale - 17/11/2006 5:39:12 PM   
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You what? That whole free running sequence was amazing, totally blew me away.



I did say "no scene that betters the opposition" as opposed to thinking it unexciting and in my opinion the oppsotion is excellent, so even a good sequence would have its work cut out keeping up. Personally I thought the bridge ambush in M:I-3 and the Moscow car chase in Bourne Supremacy were far superior sequences. They also help progress the plots in both films (the ambush sets up the mole and car chase reveal more about Bourne's nature as he refrains from killing the bad guy).

The parkour chase is thrown in for a bit of early fun, its trendy and the filmmakers were obviously worried about veering too far from formula. It degenerates into Commando style action, before Bond finds a mobile phone which leads him to Demetrios, where he finds another mobile phone that leads him to the airport. Why not start with Bond sent to the airport? And after all that it turns out M and co have been monitoring Le Chiffre anyway.

I loved the opening it was completely different to anything that had been done before, and I'd have preferred to see the film follow that style, but instead it was very jarring to go from serious to frivolous and back again.

I am pretty amazed by the response so far. It's a very good film, but no classic.

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Blonde Bond Shell - 17/11/2006 6:22:55 PM   
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I was not looking forward to this but was pleasantly surprised. Of course it invalidates all the other Bond movies, but that might not be a bad thing. Craig does well avoiding the silly humour of the previous films and focuses on a more brutal secret agent. Some good set pieces and good to see no silly gadgets either. The only thing I would get rid of is Judy "PMT" Dench as M. And the song is awful too. It would be good if the makers now went on to remake Dr No and all the other genuine Bond stories with Craig.

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RE: Blonde Bond Shell - 17/11/2006 6:37:12 PM   
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BOND IS BACK! and that is as far as i am concerned great!The action,story,stunts,acting and of course direction are brillant.It's the best bond for me out of all of them,back to basic's,and closser to my favourite  007 movie of all time OHMSS.Bond is a hard ass killer in this one out to prove he's the best too M ,who is'nt too impressed.But go see it for yourself's i'm not giving away the plot,which may have a few holes but hey it's a BOND movie not a art house thriller.

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Brilliant... - 17/11/2006 6:46:32 PM   
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... just brilliant. Fresh, original, gritty, and still Bond, for a new generation. I can't wait for more...

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Craaaaig David... - 17/11/2006 6:54:35 PM   
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Seriouosly I'm not understanding all the praise being heaped on this!

It's not a bad film, but for christ's sake, it's not that good. I'm thinking we're all just pleased it's not another stinking pile of shit like the last one, and that Daniel Craig did a good job of making Bond grittier.

Personally I thought the whole thing was over long and the script trudged a bit. There were so many moement's where I was just going "what?!" through the film. Digitalis taking his heart rate up to 135 BPM? It slows your heart down and stops it. Bond only trying CPR on the missus twice before giving up and slipping her the tounge? That's love for you...

I think another of the problems I had was the director switching from frenetic action back to sod-all happening so many times that I got bored. There really wasn't enough tension built up towards the end of the film for me to even call it a climax, and for the last half hour, I kept wondering when the thing was going to end.


Cue a slating from the rest of you....

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RE: Craaaaig David... - 17/11/2006 7:39:49 PM   
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For christ sake it a bond film not Schlinders list  

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Now THIS is Bond... - 17/11/2006 7:45:10 PM   
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I'll be completely honest, I'm not a massive Bond fan per se, I can usually take them or leave them. 
 
But this is, for me, what a Bond film should be like; 007 getting his hands dirty, dizzying action, just enough humour, and definitely the best Bond in my lifetime.  Anyone who won't go and see it because his hair is blond is completely missing out.  It's their loss; this is a fresh take on a well worn genre, and all the better for it.

EDIT:  Also, I really liked the title credits.  I know a few people didn't, but I thought they were great. 

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Casino Royale - 17/11/2006 8:28:22 PM   
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It was great very entertaining and had you on the edge of your seat most of the time Daniel Craig has always been a fantastic actor and he realy made the role his own. It was great to see Bond make mistakes and get dirty...And I know it's product placement but the Aston Martin is a great car.

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RE: Casino Royale - 17/11/2006 8:45:43 PM   
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i have to say i was really suprised by that film, i went to see it because i am a huge james bond fan even after all the critism it took before it was even mad. At the start i though i wasn't going to like daniel craig as bond, but as it went on he really occupied the role well and had me on the edge of my seat. It is very different from other bond films, i think bond was portrayed as a lot more rough which i suppose makes him more down to earth after all he makes mistakes and i liked the scenes after he'd killed someone; just seeing the way he reacted. Loved the"even if you only had that smile and your little finger you'd still be more of a man than anyone i know" Bond replies "That's because you know what i can do with my little finger"

Overall i thought it was an excellent movie and Daniel Craig was an excellent James Bond, I truly loved it

5 star rating

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- 17/11/2006 9:21:39 PM   
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good to see more of the Bond psyche and I thought it had a great balance of humour, action and depth. Craig, despite heavy critiscm, has fullfilled the role perfectly... Unsurprisingly some minor flaws in the pliot, but hey this is Bond!

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RE: Casino Royale - 17/11/2006 9:23:28 PM   
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All the action is in the first half and all the character development in the second, its a bit too long but Daniel Craig is the shit as Bond. Roll on the next one.

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- 17/11/2006 9:52:01 PM   
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Considering i'm not a genuine bond fan, i thought this film was pretty good, the stunts were impressive and the plot wasn't all that complicated. Daniel Craig is a fine Bond, i must admit i had my doubts but Craig changed it all with his marvelous performance. Job well done

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- 17/11/2006 9:52:12 PM   
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Considering i'm not a genuine bond fan, i thought this film was pretty good, the stunts were impressive and the plot wasn't all that complicated. Daniel Craig is a fine Bond, i must admit i had my doubts but Craig changed it all with his marvelous performance. Job well done

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Casino Royale Best Bond Ever (SPOILERS!) - 17/11/2006 11:13:33 PM   
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Bond back to his best (which is stupid cause i figure he was always at his best well aside "For Your Eyes Only" and "Die Another Day"). Where do i begin: classic 15 mins at the start leading into the film where bonds gets his 00s ohh "Considerably". Only the opening credits let this masterpiece down (even comparing it to dr.nos opening credits which were just plain and simple back then these credits are extremely horrible).

The brillant chases threw the construction site is totally awesome and the aston martin flip (classic stunt) throughout the stunts are way better than in somem of the other bond films. LeChiffre as the villian is good but pity he dies earlier on in the film before the end. There is everything in this bond film: 3 sexy bond girls, great script (with the help of crashes Paul Haggis), M (Dame Judi Dench at her best in her whole career), and finally a new bond (DANIEL CRAIG) who is a bad-ass that doesnt give a shit about anyone but himself.
The film reminds of the end of "On Her Majestys Secret Service" (Vespa being Tracy) "THE BITCH IS DEAD!" The name IS CRAIG DANIEL CRAIG who has shown them DUMB ASSHOLES at craignotbond.com that JAMES BOND WILL RETURN.................... ROLL ON 2008

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RE: - 17/11/2006 11:15:50 PM   
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Has no-one thought that the reason the little finger line brought the house down was because it was actually a funny line...at least I thought it was.

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Craig IS Bond - 17/11/2006 11:43:05 PM   
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Wow!!!!!
Must rank VERY high up the all-time list. A perfect rebirth for a new (old?) Bond, Daniel Craig has proved the nay-sayers wrong in my opinion, and made new-Bond his own. Top pre-credits story (Considerably.. great quip), excellent title sequence, iffy-song though, excellent chase (one of the best), great banter with M, decent baddy, good humour (scratch my balls!, and "my little finger") and brilliant closing sequence.
Roll on the next, just keep the quality of the writing up.

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RE: 007 Is Back! - 17/11/2006 11:59:05 PM   
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Not much I can add really.

I said a while ago that the one thing I hate about Bond films is him strolling into anywhere, immediately revealing his name and blowing the place up. And they actually ackowledged that in the film, that was awesome. There were so many clever little touches, I love how he extracts information the simplest way possible, through people, rather than the gadgets. Finally some actual spying.

Le Chiffe was fantastic, maybe the eye was overblown but that only served to show up how silly past Bond bad-guys have been. I loved how both he and Bond were vulnerable underneath, Le Chiffe containing his desperation under a cold shield till the end, very much a mirror of Bond. Paradoxically the vulnerability made them both look stronger. Very worthy and real villain.

The violence was also handled much better, nowhere near as throwaway. The kills were messy and brutal, but over in an instant. Great change from how cheap it had all become. Much better to show the effects of a few intimate kills than have 100s of faceless people collapse. Bond was also very efficient, no spraying machine guns or unnecessary risk, proper assassin stuff. Loved how they actually thought to hide the bodies too. It mostly feels like real intelligence officers could do this.

Craig would have been fantastic anyway, but the script demanded a much wider range than usual and he pulled it all off completely. Its the script thats elevated this, really want to know how much of a hand Haggis had in this. Its very clever before the dialogue, add some sizzling scenes on top and it was superb. Campbell also elevated his game much higher, he made it sort of Bourne like in alot of ways without falling for the visual style, its a confident and not too showy approach. Perfectly rounded Bond, acknowledging past criticisms and blasting them without being too self-concious about it. Great charisma and presence, Craigs a perfect blend of smooth sophisticate and thug, buckets of predatorial confidence and magnetism, best of Connery, Dalton, Brosnan and even Moore with very little downside, he feels dangerous to know and thats very appealing. The comedy was perfectly integrated into the story and character rather than being bolted in.

Loved it, hope they can keep this up now that Bond is becoming more confident and cold. After Goldeneye they lost that promise with Brosnan. Even if they lose the path somewhat with the writing, Craig's talents will remind them not to become complacent I'm sure.

Pacing was a slight problem but all of it was quality so nevermind, the thing that really made it apart from completely the right approach was the extended character moments. You could have taken away all the excellent action and the film would have been almost as good, the casino section was long but completely held everyone in the audience, to greater success than the action even,

For some Craig seemed like a big gamble but with what they were aiming for he was the only real choice. Very happy with it

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Daniel Craig has taken Bond to a new level - 18/11/2006 12:02:59 AM   
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I could still be on a post-movie high here but what a fantastic movie Casino Royale is and what a truly perfect Bond Daniel Craig makes. I love James Bond movies but the character himself has always had something missing for me. He never lived up to what I wanted Bond to be...until Daniel Craig. It fits into place and whilst previous films are still to be delighted in, this is a very fitting way forward for Bond. Craig brings several new attributes to the table; realism (the stunts are more believable because he does many himself), energy which was long missing with Brosnan and a whole new sexual dimension which leaves women panting and men green with envy. I can only hope that the writers keep our and Craig's interest in the role long enough to let this new Bond really
take shape.

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RE: Daniel Craig has taken Bond to a new level - 18/11/2006 2:01:08 AM   
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Right, after a second viewing I can give a balanced viewpoint, instead of being on a fanboy high.
The excitement didn't wear off. As a massive Bond fan, I recieved the news of Craig's casting with mixed feelings. However, I decided to wait and see how it would turn out (I wish the Craignotbond people did this) . Let's get things sorted- Craig nails Bond- he is Bond from the first second you see him on screen.We were all promised the literary Bond and boy, does this film deliver. Tense poker scenes, some great dialogue and some cracking action sequences make this not only a fantastic Bond film, but a great action film that will see off any pretenders to the super spy crown.


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RE: Daniel Craig has taken Bond to a new level - 18/11/2006 2:49:20 AM   
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I thought it was only okay.

It lacked the style, humour and "Bond moments".

Daniel Craig was good, but I think showing him as being a bit useless at times wasn't such a great idea.

I also am not keen on the whole M thing, totally discarding the 20 films previous.

I would have liked to have seen it set in the 50s or 60s and even get a flashback of Bond in the Royal Navy during WW2. That way they could do a Bond Begins and create the mythology like Batman Begins (which they seemed to ape).

Did we really need to find out how he got the DB5? I think that if this guy was Royal Navy and then in the SBS he'd be pretty good at his job by the time he became a Double-O.

Also in the books he killed different people than in this movie. And in fact perhaps the whole story of the Bond Begins could have been his mission to get the double -O?

Le Chiffre was wasted a bit I feel. I know the book goes that way, but we needed a better climax and Bond v Le Chiffre would have been nice.

And to those who say I may have had high expectations, I couldn't wait for Goldeneye and yet I loved that.

So let's get back to the formula! That's what made Bond. Don't destroy it.

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Sit down XXX. Go home Jason Bourne. Get to bed Jack B... - 18/11/2006 4:11:38 AM   
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Some moments are a bit too long and drawn out (mainly when Bond is recovering from his injuries and hooks up with Vesper. Some say the casino poker playing moments are too long, but I thought they were well executed, injected much tension that was needed in a very high-stakes game, and it's the basis of the whole film, so it couldn't and wasn't glossed over), but there is so much that is good and exceed my expectations in this movie that you (or at least I) can get over those sub-par moments. Despite the crazy situations Bond finds himself in, it still comes across as a lot more real than maybe ever before. The grittiest Bond yet, with fast cars, intelligent women, dry wit and proper fist fighting. Also it drops the campness from previous Bonds (absurd gadgets, Q and ridiculous one-liners)! Oh and a great title sequence, despite the lack of a memorable song and hot silhouetted ladies.

It's been far too long since a really good, all-out action movie has been at the cinema and this one is just that bit more special because it's Bond. And a Bond like you've never seen before.

Fantastic stuff. The next installment can't come soon enough.

P.S. The audience that was attending the screening last night with me (in the USA) let out a big 'woooo' when the new Austin Martin was revealed! Is niiiice.

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Bond is most definatly back on top! - 18/11/2006 10:32:22 AM   
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All i can say is Wow. I saw this last night and it has everything you've come to love about the series but at the same time takes it to a different level, Making Bond look like a rookie (falling off the roof, not shooting the camera etc) has been done brilliantly, you can see durin the movie they make him get better. It had some great one-liners, the makings of the 'shaken not stirred' martini and a plot that you wouldn't normally expect. The chair seen was superbly done (if a little leg crossing). It was Raw bond, no gadgets, very little guns, which in the series has been very hard to pull of, definatly up there with Goldfinger and Goldeneye as my favourites, More of the same!!!

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RE: Bond is most definatly back on top! - 18/11/2006 10:49:32 AM   
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Greta film... Craig is spot on. I only felt the middle part was a little too long and slow, other than that, i loved it. The opening song and credits was great, the Parkour chase was one of the best chases i have ever seen! I was literally on the edge of my seat sweating. The action was great, the acting very professional and beleiveable. Le Chiffre was a very interesting bad guy, in a one-on-one fight he'd die a death, but he was a bad guy in the modern sense of the word.
And how hot is Vesper????

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RE: Best Bond since Goldeneye - 18/11/2006 11:22:48 AM   
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Best bond film since goldeneye. Craig was Bond mixed with Bourne and a sprinkling of Jack Bauer. Eva Green had something about her and sizzled (glad Angelina Jolie turned it down as it would of been a bit stupid). My only gripe was that after being too long  it then ended to quick. i was expect another 10mins of it at the end


That 10 minutes will be in 22, it's a follow on. It's not goign to take place after DAD as someone mentioned on here.

This bodes well for the following reasons-
- the writers will have to keep the story in the same gritty, grounded style so we don't have to worry about any "lasers"
-the character of Bond will need more layering and his development as a person will need to be given screentime. We will probably see the evolution or devolution, if you will, of Bond's emotions.

And another issue that was raised on here... just because it's American money doesn't necessarily rule it out as a British movie. I don't have the figures for Casino Royale but if roughly 75% of the overall crew is British, then the film is classified as British made. Harry Potter is the perfect example... alllllll American cash, roughly 80-85% (probably more) of crew are Bristish/British citizens.

Like I say, I don't know the figures for Casino Royale, but i do know a lot of the crew was British, whether they hit the % though, I'm not sure.

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