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The Failures of 2013 - 22/1/2014 1:56:13 PM   
DONOVAN KURTWOOD


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So in 2013 we had quite a large number of high profile, big budget projects that lost a lot of money. Let's have a look at the main culprits:

Jack the Giant Slayer:
Budget: 195 Mil
WW Gross: 197 Mil

White House Down:
Budget: 150 Mil
WW Gross: 205 Mil

After Earth:
Budget: 130 Mil
WW Gross: 243 Mil

The Lone Ranger:
Budget: 215 Mil
WW Gross: 260 Mil

R.I.P.D.:
Budget: 130 Mil
WW Gross: 78 Mil

47 Ronin:
Budget: 175 Mil
WW Gross: 116 Mil

Percy Jackson Sea of Monsters:
Budget: 90 Mil
WW Gross: 199 Mil

Red 2: Budget: 84 Mil
WW Gross: 142 Mil

Please feel free to add any i've missed. I need to add that the budget listed is merely the production budget, and that with marketing etc on top, these budgets would actually be far greater.

Now the above list is interesting in that i don't think any of them were overtly terrible movies. After Earth was probably the weakest, along with R.I.P.D. i guess. The Lone Ranger, White House Down, Jack the Giant Slayer and 47 Ronin actually had a lot going for them. George Lucas and Steven Spielbrg predicted this kind of scenario not too long ago, wherein we would end up with a number of very costly flops, due to the increasing amount of tentpole releases coming out each year.

One of the biggest problems here is that technically White House Down, After Earth and 47 Ronin (based on a Japanese legend) are original stories, as this will tell the studios that audiences are not interested in original stories, they just want sequels, remakes and adaptations.

What can anyone make of the above list? Did you like any of these movies and thought perhaps it was unfair that they flopped? Is there a pattern in the above list?

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RE: The Failures of 2013 - 22/1/2014 5:37:09 PM   
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The only thing i can add is that Jack the giant slayer was enjoyable and that The Lone Ranger was one of my favourite of last year!


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RE: The Failures of 2013 - 22/1/2014 7:37:52 PM   
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It does not necessarily tell studios that we want sequels. Look at Percy Jackson 2 and Kick-Ass 2. Studios are most likely learning, that it is not smart to just pump hundreds of millions of dollars into a movie.

And íf studios were getting afraid of releasing originals, there are still some great movies that taught them differently. Gravity used its 100m budget to make 678m worldwide.

People were afraid Now You See Me would not fare under all those big-budget tentpoles and look at how that 75m budgeted flick made over 350m worldwide, and if I'm correct, it's a huge hit on DVD.

Of course, the biggest moneymakers are always animation movies, sequels and franchises, but I believe that the only thing studios will learn from that list, is that movies do not necessarily need to spend more money to make more money.

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RE: The Failures of 2013 - 23/1/2014 1:32:02 PM   
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I forgot about Kick-Ass 2, i should add that one to the list. I'm surprised we got Kick-Ass 2 and Percy Jackson 2. I think that was a case of the Studio being desperate to prove they had a viable franchise.

Yeah Now You See Me did great business, but then it bucked the trend of all the other summer movies and was a nice change of pace to those.

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RE: The Failures of 2013 - 23/1/2014 1:34:05 PM   
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I didn't realise Kick Ass 2 budget was as low as 28 Mil. As they only spent a modest amount I don't think i can class it as a complete failure. It may make it's budget back.

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RE: The Failures of 2013 - 23/1/2014 8:47:12 PM   
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quote:

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It does not necessarily tell studios that we want sequels. Look at Percy Jackson 2 and Kick-Ass 2. Studios are most likely learning, that it is not smart to just pump hundreds of millions of dollars into a movie.


Red 2 flopped too.

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RE: The Failures of 2013 - 24/1/2014 10:33:53 AM   
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some of the studios will be happy that certain 'failures' did $100-200mil worldwide with dvd/blu sales added later.

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RE: The Failures of 2013 - 25/1/2014 1:46:27 PM   
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Kick-ass and Percy Jackson both got their sequels from their high dvd-sales. Kickass made about 60m, while it had to play about 90m to breakeven. I know dvd-sales will make it profitable in the end, but it did kind of fail and the studio saw that coming, hence the budget lowering after the first one.

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RE: The Failures of 2013 - 28/1/2014 8:45:45 AM   
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I guess it was a gamble, same with Percy Jackson like you say. It was such a crowded year for movies, some of the sequels got left in the dust, especially the one's that few asked for (Red 2, Percy Jackson 2)

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RE: The Failures of 2013 - 28/1/2014 5:42:33 PM   
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I don't want to watch any of those. Doubt that I am their target audience though. Maybe the idea of known brands selling better isn't too far fetched. Then again maybe over 200mil on a Western is ridiculous, maybe full CG giants is a really bad idea and maybe Roland Emmerich and Ryan Reynolds should go away, who knows.

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RE: The Failures of 2013 - 29/1/2014 10:34:32 AM   
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On the other hand, big-ass CGI robots from another planet sounds even more stupid. And even though I haven't seen RIPD, Reynolds is usually not the problem of the terrible movies he is in. He should get a new agent, that is able to filter crap for him, as Reynolds is actually a decent actor.

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RE: The Failures of 2013 - 29/1/2014 11:33:54 AM   
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Maybe he's just got a tax bill of Snipes or Cage proportions.

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RE: The Failures of 2013 - 30/1/2014 11:25:10 AM   
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I can't believe that Red 2 flopped so hard, yes granted it wasn't as good as the first one but the comedy value in this film was good. hmm maybe online downloads had something to play in regards to this?

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RE: The Failures of 2013 - 31/1/2014 8:55:06 AM   
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I can't believe that Red 2 flopped so hard, yes granted it wasn't as good as the first one but the comedy value in this film was good. hmm maybe online downloads had something to play in regards to this?


See i actually thought Red 2 was better than the first. They're both fairly average movies, but the 2nd one upped the action at least and had a great turn from Antony Hopkins.

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RE: The Failures of 2013 - 31/1/2014 8:56:49 AM   
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I thought that perhaps the Carrie remake had been a flop but it looks like that made 84 Mil WW on a 35 Mil budget. Although i recall some people pegging it as a flop?

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RE: The Failures of 2013 - 31/1/2014 11:16:19 AM   
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It should have done better at the domestic box office. I'm not sure, but I also think Carrie still has some markets to go.

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RE: The Failures of 2013 - 9/2/2014 2:49:03 AM   
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Worst movie of all time goes to Kick Ass 2

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RE: The Failures of 2013 - 9/2/2014 11:40:03 AM   
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Worst movie of all time goes to Kick Ass 2



its about the box office, not the quality of the movie.

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RE: The Failures of 2013 - 14/2/2014 1:45:29 PM   
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Kick Ass 2 was better than the first, or at least equal.

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RE: The Failures of 2013 - 15/2/2014 2:26:16 PM   
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Kick Ass 2 was better than the first, or at least equal.




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RE: The Failures of 2013 - 16/2/2014 12:12:37 PM   
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i think 'jackson 2' lost out as it had no big names in the cast this time and no chris columbus at the helm.

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RE: The Failures of 2013 - 17/2/2014 8:56:09 AM   
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quote:

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Kick Ass 2 was better than the first, or at least equal.





LOL. Wow I've never seen you use that before.

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RE: The Failures of 2013 - 23/2/2014 8:54:10 AM   
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With some of the flops you can see why they failed. Was there really a big market clamouring for a RED or Percy Jackson sequel? I suspect not.

In most other cases, the quality just wasn't there and in many cases that showed in the trailers. Ripd and After Earth had dreadful trailers and that had a substantial impact. If the trailer doesn't draw people in, you're relying on word of mouth. Having had the misfortune to see After Earth, I can say it had nothing going for it at all.

I feel sorry for The Lone Ranger and White House Down. Lone Ranger was enjoyable in the vein of the first Pirates film but got a kicking by US critics and never recovered. White House Down was more fun than Olympus Has Fallen but was beaten into cinemas and the plots were too similar.

The next question is what will be this year's flop films - my money is on Rio 2 and Divergent doing badly. I'm interested in seeing how Noah does.

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RE: The Failures of 2013 - 23/2/2014 12:04:52 PM   
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With some of the flops you can see why they failed. Was there really a big market clamouring for a RED or Percy Jackson sequel? I suspect not.

In most other cases, the quality just wasn't there and in many cases that showed in the trailers. Ripd and After Earth had dreadful trailers and that had a substantial impact. If the trailer doesn't draw people in, you're relying on word of mouth. Having had the misfortune to see After Earth, I can say it had nothing going for it at all.

I feel sorry for The Lone Ranger and White House Down. Lone Ranger was enjoyable in the vein of the first Pirates film but got a kicking by US critics and never recovered. White House Down was more fun than Olympus Has Fallen but was beaten into cinemas and the plots were too similar.

The next question is what will be this year's flop films - my money is on Rio 2 and Divergent doing badly. I'm interested in seeing how Noah does.


If movies box office success depended on good reviews then there would be a LOT more flops.Anything by the likes of Paul Anderson and Michael Bay tend to get terrible reviews but go to make lots of money because they appeal to the masses.Lone Ranger flopped because while the bad reviews didnt help, westerns are a hard sell these days, it cost a lot of money to make, and it just wasnt very good.

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RE: The Failures of 2013 - 23/2/2014 5:37:13 PM   
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Divergent looks so boring from its trailer. Chances are it will be bad.

For 2014, I'd go with X-men: dofp, having only little chance to make its money back. Apparently the production budget was 300m already. I don't see this movie making a lot more than 500m worldwide, which would come not even close to covering those costs. Hercules also has really big chances at losing big time at the BO. A lot of news reports suggest that it will move its release date though. Either horrible bosses 2 or dumb and dumber to will bomb. My chances are on the latter.

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