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I'm sorry, what? - 13/12/2013 5:38:16 PM   
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Hey, so this is a new thread that will probably disappear within a day or two but is here to ask the question of has a scene ever taken you out of a movie in a bad way?

For instance, the other night I watched latest Arnie comeback vehicle 'The Last Stand' and it was a relatively enjoyable cheese-fest until the bizarre and horrendously misjudged gun montage sequence where all the 'heroes' lock and load in an old barn. The scene just seemed terribly dated (Alright the whole film was but at least there was a tongue in a cheek somewhere there) for this day and age. It was basically just out and out gun porn and it kinda left a bad taste in the mouth really. Another popular example is Alice Eve's underwear shot in Into Darkness and another this year was the moment James Woods threatens to shoot an eleven year old girl in the stomach in the otherwise mental fun of White House Down. I'm sure there are many more but I can't think right now. What's been that scene that has almost wrecked a decent movie for you?

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RE: I'm sorry, what? - 13/12/2013 6:17:53 PM   
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Not really. One scene is easy to dismiss, and generally is forgivable. Your examples were pretty bad on various other levels.

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RE: I'm sorry, what? - 13/12/2013 7:00:26 PM   
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It didn't ruin the film for me but Tarantino's appearance in Django Unchained completely arsed up that scene.

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RE: I'm sorry, what? - 13/12/2013 10:43:30 PM   
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Not really. One scene is easy to dismiss, and generally is forgivable. Your examples were pretty bad on various other levels.


I was never claiming that it was an unforgivable sin in cinema, rather something that could 'almost' disrupt a film and if you can, personally, easily dismiss said type of scene then good for you, man... and regarding the line I highlighted, really? I think my examples were adequate and in keeping with the topic I raised.

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RE: I'm sorry, what? - 13/12/2013 11:29:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: justfontaine

For instance, the other night I watched latest Arnie comeback vehicle 'The Last Stand' and it was a relatively enjoyable cheese-fest until the bizarre and horrendously misjudged gun montage sequence where all the 'heroes' lock and load in an old barn. The scene just seemed terribly dated (Alright the whole film was but at least there was a tongue in a cheek somewhere there) for this day and age.


But that's kinda the point, yeah? Arnie is a hero of 80s action cinema and you could say that montage is a deliberate homage to that kind of genre for which there is a nostalgic thirst recently.

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RE: I'm sorry, what? - 13/12/2013 11:32:53 PM   
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It didn't ruin the film for me but Tarantino's appearance in Django Unchained completely arsed up that scene.

Yeah, that was a strange one.

I've always felt this way about Michael J. Fox playing his own daughter in BTTF 2. It's obvious it's him, but at the same time he's hidden in the makeup enough that you could possibly mistake "her" for the real deal. It's very jarring, and the head turn he does makes me flinch.

It's like a makeup equivalent of the Uncanny Valley.

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RE: I'm sorry, what? - 13/12/2013 11:35:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: justfontaine

For instance, the other night I watched latest Arnie comeback vehicle 'The Last Stand' and it was a relatively enjoyable cheese-fest until the bizarre and horrendously misjudged gun montage sequence where all the 'heroes' lock and load in an old barn. The scene just seemed terribly dated (Alright the whole film was but at least there was a tongue in a cheek somewhere there) for this day and age.


But that's kinda the point, yeah? Arnie is a hero of 80s action cinema and you could say that montage is a deliberate homage to that kind of genre for which there is a nostalgic thirst recently.


Agreed, however, I just think certain themes, despite them being in vogue back then, do not translate well now, even in a homage, on the grounds of sensitivity and contemporary thinking. I.e. Guns. After all the talk of gun laws and the tragedies America has had over the years with mass shootings, I just found the scene very tasteless and even in the realm of it paying dues to past tropes, it still just felt very misjudged despite what it was trying to do. There are ways to pay tribute in a retro sense, but at the end of the day, senseless gratuity is just and only that no matter how it is dressed up.

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RE: I'm sorry, what? - 15/12/2013 11:19:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: justfontaine


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ORIGINAL: justfontaine

For instance, the other night I watched latest Arnie comeback vehicle 'The Last Stand' and it was a relatively enjoyable cheese-fest until the bizarre and horrendously misjudged gun montage sequence where all the 'heroes' lock and load in an old barn. The scene just seemed terribly dated (Alright the whole film was but at least there was a tongue in a cheek somewhere there) for this day and age.


But that's kinda the point, yeah? Arnie is a hero of 80s action cinema and you could say that montage is a deliberate homage to that kind of genre for which there is a nostalgic thirst recently.


Agreed, however, I just think certain themes, despite them being in vogue back then, do not translate well now, even in a homage, on the grounds of sensitivity and contemporary thinking. I.e. Guns. After all the talk of gun laws and the tragedies America has had over the years with mass shootings, I just found the scene very tasteless and even in the realm of it paying dues to past tropes, it still just felt very misjudged despite what it was trying to do. There are ways to pay tribute in a retro sense, but at the end of the day, senseless gratuity is just and only that no matter how it is dressed up.



Perhaps you're just far too sensitive to watch action movies anymore? Or should guns no longer feature in movies because of the never-ending stream of gun deaths in the US?

The only thing in The Last Stand that pulled me out of it was the supercar. Everyone knows Corvettes are made of plastic & get about 2 miles to the gallon, so A) it probably would have been destroyed when the police SUV hit it rather than using it as a ramp, & B) it probably would have run out of fuel about half an hour into the film.

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RE: I'm sorry, what? - 15/12/2013 11:29:55 AM   
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KIm was also, IMO, taking the piss slightly on US action films and what they brought to the world in terms of interpretation (US's greatest immigrant taking an isolationist stance with a foreigner eg). I saw the scene as mentioned above - it's how they do their action films, these guns were clearly ludicrous and being fetishised.

I do know what you mean by single scenes pulling you out and somehere at the front of my head I know there's a recent example I've talked about and I just can't remember it!

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RE: I'm sorry, what? - 16/12/2013 12:18:45 PM   
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The one that springs to mind for me right now isn't the Alice Eve lingerie shot of Star Trek Into Darkness but another scene from that film (highlight for spoilers):

The inverted Wrath of Khan death scene. Leading up to it I could see where it was heading but I was telling myself, 'They won't do that surely? I mean, I know Cumberbatch turned out to be Khan needlessly, but they wouldn't do this though?'. I ended up shaking my head in disbelief with an involuntary derisory chuckle. It was so contrived and only served to remind me of the better scene in WoK.

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RE: I'm sorry, what? - 17/12/2013 1:11:21 PM   
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It didn't ruin the film for me but Tarantino's appearance in Django Unchained completely arsed up that scene.

Yeah, that was a strange one.

I've always felt this way about Michael J. Fox playing his own daughter in BTTF 2. It's obvious it's him, but at the same time he's hidden in the makeup enough that you could possibly mistake "her" for the real deal. It's very jarring, and the head turn he does makes me flinch.

It's like a makeup equivalent of the Uncanny Valley.


Still would though, right?

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RE: I'm sorry, what? - 19/12/2013 9:52:56 AM   
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A bad scene can't take away from a great film IMO... Apart from THE WEDDING SCENE IN DEER HUNTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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RE: I'm sorry, what? - 19/12/2013 10:32:43 AM   
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RE: I'm sorry, what? - 19/12/2013 3:02:52 PM   
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A bad scene can't take away from a great film IMO... Apart from THE WEDDING SCENE IN DEER HUNTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Why's that? It may last forever but there's a hell of a lot of important stuff going on in this sequence.


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RE: I'm sorry, what? - 23/12/2013 2:25:04 PM   
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the carnage heaped on smallville and metropolis in MoS.

unpleasent to watch.

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RE: I'm sorry, what? - 23/12/2013 11:12:58 PM   
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the carnage heaped on smallville and metropolis in MoS.

unpleasent to watch.


Absolutely right. What a horrid final hour that film had.

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RE: I'm sorry, what? - 24/12/2013 12:04:28 PM   
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kirk firing on nero's helpless ship at the end of 'star trek'.

the shat would never do that.

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RE: I'm sorry, what? - 28/12/2013 7:42:58 PM   
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For me, the 'happy ever after' in Inglorious Basterds pretty much destroyed a film I'd loved in the first two-thirds, and then raged at after the end. Just when I thought that the whole thing could be capped off on the dual triumphs of the cinema fire and Hans Landa's (played exquisitely by Christoph Waltz) devilishly smooth deception, Tarantino pulls out the screw-everything card with a brusquely rushed, flat finale.

Obviously it would not have made for a great ending had the protagonists completely failed (or would it?), but I'd expected some bittersweet denouement in place of the candy caned audience pleaser.

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RE: I'm sorry, what? - 29/12/2013 11:45:33 AM   
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the female characters in 'boat that rocked'.

instead of the funny, rounded women of curtis's previous work you get a bunch of bitches save for a lesbian cook.

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RE: I'm sorry, what? - 30/12/2013 10:27:14 AM   
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US army shooting up smallville in MoS.

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RE: I'm sorry, what? - 30/12/2013 11:24:52 AM   
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The infamous scene in Inception. Such obviously and bad CGI doubles.

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RE: I'm sorry, what? - 30/12/2013 1:31:49 PM   
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The infamous scene in Inception. Such obviously and bad CGI doubles.




sorry, which scene is that?

try youtube to find it.

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RE: I'm sorry, what? - 5/1/2014 3:21:12 AM   
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A couple spring to mind.

The cats in Let The Right One In. I think I missed the next few minutes of the film because I was still too busy scratching my head, thinking "wtf!"

And the elevator scene in Drive. I've had this argument before so know I'm largely alone on this, but I often think Refn has this slightly daft tendency to turn into Lloyd Kaufman every now and again. Regardless of what he says, I find it hard to believe it's intended to be realistic. It's simply a childish ghoulishness that's slightly misplaced. In the middle of what had been a beautiful film, it just felt like I was suddenly watching The Toxic Avenger. But, I appreciate that's probably just me.

Concur with Tarantino's appearance in Django too. Awful, awful decision.

Oh. And probably the opening of Lost in Translation. I couldn't remember any of the film after that opening shot.

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RE: I'm sorry, what? - 5/1/2014 9:45:31 AM   
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It didn't ruin the film for me but Tarantino's appearance in Django Unchained completely arsed up that scene.

Yeah, that was a strange one.

I've always felt this way about Michael J. Fox playing his own daughter in BTTF 2. It's obvious it's him, but at the same time he's hidden in the makeup enough that you could possibly mistake "her" for the real deal. It's very jarring, and the head turn he does makes me flinch.

It's like a makeup equivalent of the Uncanny Valley.


I never realised it was Michael J Fox playing his own daughter...

Watchmen is guilty of having these kind of scenes for me. I thought it was very good on the whole but the sex scene was completely out of place - it was very "90s channel five erotic drama" stuff. Very embarrassing to watch. I also felt that there were a couple of scenes of violence that were a bit overly graphic - one being the circular saw scene in prison. I mean the book/story is violent but I'm not sure if they went a bit too OTT in places, perhaps preoccupied with getting an 18 certificate to appease those who considered that important?

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RE: I'm sorry, what? - 6/1/2014 1:17:25 PM   
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Watchmen is guilty of having these kind of scenes for me. I thought it was very good on the whole but the sex scene was completely out of place - it was very "90s channel five erotic drama" stuff. Very embarrassing to watch. I also felt that there were a couple of scenes of violence that were a bit overly graphic - one being the circular saw scene in prison. I mean the book/story is violent but I'm not sure if they went a bit too OTT in places, perhaps preoccupied with getting an 18 certificate to appease those who considered that important?


I also thought it weird when Night-Owl and Silk Spectre violently beat the shit out of that gang who try to mug them: compound fractures and knives through the necks galore.

Regardless of how out of character that seemed versus the comic, it didn't fit within the film either. Just a few minutes earlier they were discussing how Rorschach was out of control, etc. but these two display equally vicious behaviour during that fight. I'm aware the point was that they got off on the violence but there wasn't really anything to differentiate them from Rorschach, the supposed loose cannon of the bunch.

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RE: I'm sorry, what? - 9/1/2014 1:16:28 PM   
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Watchmen is guilty of having these kind of scenes for me. I thought it was very good on the whole but the sex scene was completely out of place - it was very "90s channel five erotic drama" stuff. Very embarrassing to watch. I also felt that there were a couple of scenes of violence that were a bit overly graphic - one being the circular saw scene in prison. I mean the book/story is violent but I'm not sure if they went a bit too OTT in places, perhaps preoccupied with getting an 18 certificate to appease those who considered that important?


I also thought it weird when Night-Owl and Silk Spectre violently beat the shit out of that gang who try to mug them: compound fractures and knives through the necks galore.

Regardless of how out of character that seemed versus the comic, it didn't fit within the film either. Just a few minutes earlier they were discussing how Rorschach was out of control, etc. but these two display equally vicious behaviour during that fight. I'm aware the point was that they got off on the violence but there wasn't really anything to differentiate them from Rorschach, the supposed loose cannon of the bunch.


AH, I knew there was another similar bit! A bit OTT.


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RE: I'm sorry, what? - 9/1/2014 1:35:36 PM   
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I would have thought the MASSIVE BLUE PENIS was enough to secure an 18. That and the attempted rape/beating/pregnant woman beating/killing.

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RE: I'm sorry, what? - 11/1/2014 11:42:41 PM   
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Watchmen is guilty of having these kind of scenes for me. I thought it was very good on the whole but the sex scene was completely out of place - it was very "90s channel five erotic drama" stuff. Very embarrassing to watch. I also felt that there were a couple of scenes of violence that were a bit overly graphic - one being the circular saw scene in prison. I mean the book/story is violent but I'm not sure if they went a bit too OTT in places, perhaps preoccupied with getting an 18 certificate to appease those who considered that important?


It was a bit strange that after harping on about being faithful to be source material, that was added as was that part with the child killer being stabbed in the head instead of being chained up while the apartment burnt down. Still; being a flat and boring adaptation was its worse crime.

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RE: I'm sorry, what? - 12/1/2014 4:55:44 PM   
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Whenever I watch The Exorcist I'm always taken out of the film by the unintentional comedy of it all. E.g. the 'do you know what your c*nting daughter did' scene gets me in hysterics, and the vomit scene is hilarious.


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RE: I'm sorry, what? - 13/1/2014 3:51:48 PM   
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Just remembered about the 'Moon Pie' scene in 'The Green Mile'. Fantastic film and a really screwed up character, but that sequence just removed me from the action and into fits of laughter. So a positive interruption :)

It was slightly in a bad way as I then couldn't focus for the next five minutes

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