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RE: F-Bombs in 12A-rated movies... - 16/9/2013 11:23:03 AM   
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But 'Dead Mike' can still go fuck himself.



Nice

DC, stop being so damn rude please. You are indeed making yourself sound like a tosser.

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RE: F-Bombs in 12A-rated movies... - 16/9/2013 12:13:12 PM   
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Just to go off on a tangent slightly, my Mum likes the TV show BIG SCHOOL and, after watching it on Friday night, actually asked me what 'spaffing' meant...



?


Just to be sure, in case I got it wrong, I looked it up again and found two separate explanations of that word... one quite rude and one so shockingly rude that I'd be amazed if it was put into a primetime BBC1 show... although I wouldn't put it past Walliams...

Suffice to say, it wasn't mentioned in ABOUT TIME...



From a quick (brave) google search, I have concluded that "Spaffing" refers to the female act of masturbation.


...


Oh crap, I said the quiet part loud and the loud part quiet

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RE: F-Bombs in 12A-rated movies... - 16/9/2013 12:48:39 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: shool


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But 'Dead Mike' can still go fuck himself.



Nice

DC, stop being so damn rude please. You are indeed making yourself sound like a tosser.


Bit late to the party there.

If I sound rude I am simply responding in kind, thank you. I'm sure Mike can handle it, as he must be quite battle-hardened from spending all that time hanging around tough playgrounds.

Alright, I tell you what, he can go "spaff" himself instead. There. It's my new favourite word.

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RE: F-Bombs in 12A-rated movies... - 16/9/2013 1:11:40 PM   
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You see, I always thought spaffing was (male) ejaculating.

I dunno, ask DC. He's the tosser.

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RE: F-Bombs in 12A-rated movies... - 16/9/2013 1:21:10 PM   
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Can spaffing only mean solitary ejaculation? What if you're ejaculating with someone else?

"I'M GONNA SPAFF!"

I'll try that next time I need to announce that it's happening, see how it goes down.


AND on that note...

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RE: F-Bombs in 12A-rated movies... - 16/9/2013 10:17:18 PM   
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OK, seeing as I brought it up, my understanding of the word 'spaff' was the act of male ejaculation... the original point was that during last Fridays episode of BIG SCHOOL (a rather disappointing show, IMO), a teacher put together a support group called SPAFF and all the kids fell about laughing... gotta say, it's not a word I was familiar with (damn, i must be getting old!) so I had to look it up...

I also found a secondary definition of the word which you are welcome to google... personally, I suspect it might be a wind-up, I can't believe anyone ever did THAT...



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RE: F-Bombs in 12A-rated movies... - 17/9/2013 11:04:45 AM   
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But 'Dead Mike' can still go fuck himself.



Nice

DC, stop being so damn rude please. You are indeed making yourself sound like a tosser.


I wouldnt bother mate.
Your trying to reason with someone who claims its only kids from bad adeas who swear.
He thinks that being rude, annoying and arrogant makes him seem all tough and "edgy"
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He's a bit like a forum version of Miley Cyrus at the moment.

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RE: F-Bombs in 12A-rated movies... - 17/9/2013 11:07:00 AM   
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RE: F-Bombs in 12A-rated movies... - 17/9/2013 12:47:41 PM   
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You see, I always thought spaffing was (male) ejaculating.


That's what I thought too, as in: "I spaffed all over Matty's mum last night".

As for the OP, this:
quote:

I always thought the 12A certificate was there to catch those films that would be normally rated PG but the distributors wanted to get a more 'adult' certificate to make the teenagers want to see them, which is fine when you want to throw violence at them...

is incorrect. The 12A is a 12-rated film, suitable for children over 12 years of age. However when Spiderman was rated a 12 all those years ago so many parents, as well as the studio, threw a shit-fit about their kids not being able to watch it (and I was working in a cinema at the time so I can assure you that some people were going absolutely mental about it) that the BBFC relented and introduced the 12A. It's still a 12-rated film, but parents (and that's the key - all responsibility lies with either parents or other accompanying adult) are permitted to take children under 12 to see them if they feel it will be suitable. The problem is that people forget that and then wonder why little Gemima is traumatised by watching something a bit violent or scary (say, Casino Royale or War Of The Worlds). To be honest there's not a lot of excuses in this day and age when you can go online and check for any mature content in a movie.

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RE: F-Bombs in 12A-rated movies... - 17/9/2013 1:09:34 PM   
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I wouldnt bother mate.
Your trying to reason with someone who claims its only kids from bad adeas who swear.


I never said kids from bad adeas swore a lot. I never mentioned adeas once. How dare you.

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He thinks that being rude, annoying and arrogant makes him seem all tough and "edgy"


Yeah, that's me. As opposed to a humourless, shit-stirring illiterate? You must come from one of those bad adeas. I thought this argument died at the weekend.
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He's a bit like a forum version of Miley Cyrus at the moment.


Actually I was going more for Danny Dyer.


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RE: F-Bombs in 12A-rated movies... - 17/9/2013 2:41:00 PM   
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You see, I always thought spaffing was (male) ejaculating.


That's what I thought too, as in: "I spaffed all over Matty's mum last night".





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RE: F-Bombs in 12A-rated movies... - 17/9/2013 7:32:48 PM   
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I wouldnt bother mate.
Your trying to reason with someone who claims its only kids from bad adeas who swear.


I never said kids from bad adeas swore a lot. I never mentioned adeas once. How dare you.
quote:

He thinks that being rude, annoying and arrogant makes him seem all tough and "edgy"


Yeah, that's me. As opposed to a humourless, shit-stirring illiterate? You must come from one of those bad adeas. I thought this argument died at the weekend..
quote:

He's a bit like a forum version of Miley Cyrus at the moment.


Actually I was going more for Danny Dyer.


I quote "Depends what shitty area one might live in."

"Shit stirring & humourless"? Coming from someone who implies someone is a paedo and then insults anyone that disagrees with his views that's brilliant! And i suppose the person you implied was a paedo is humourless too?
And yeah actually i am from one of those bad areas (Canning town in East London).

Yeah, your a lot like Danny Dyer, i think he is a cunt as well


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RE: F-Bombs in 12A-rated movies... - 17/9/2013 7:56:16 PM   
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You see, I always thought spaffing was (male) ejaculating.


That's what I thought too, as in: "I spaffed all over Matty's mum last night".

As for the OP, this:
quote:

I always thought the 12A certificate was there to catch those films that would be normally rated PG but the distributors wanted to get a more 'adult' certificate to make the teenagers want to see them, which is fine when you want to throw violence at them...

is incorrect. The 12A is a 12-rated film, suitable for children over 12 years of age. However when Spiderman was rated a 12 all those years ago so many parents, as well as the studio, threw a shit-fit about their kids not being able to watch it (and I was working in a cinema at the time so I can assure you that some people were going absolutely mental about it) that the BBFC relented and introduced the 12A. It's still a 12-rated film, but parents (and that's the key - all responsibility lies with either parents or other accompanying adult) are permitted to take children under 12 to see them if they feel it will be suitable. The problem is that people forget that and then wonder why little Gemima is traumatised by watching something a bit violent or scary (say, Casino Royale or War Of The Worlds). To be honest there's not a lot of excuses in this day and age when you can go online and check for any mature content in a movie.


Excellent post, Superdan, totally agree with you. 

Although, to be fair, if you keep posting that avatar, I'll agree with anything you say. 'You think I'm a c**t?  Fine!  Just let me see that brunette athletic girl doing her little dance again!'




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RE: F-Bombs in 12A-rated movies... - 17/9/2013 8:02:05 PM   
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Oh, this is going to end well...

Anyway, I always thought no more than one or two fucks were allowed to be in a 12/12A*, now the guidelines on the BBFC website allow "infrequent" swearing, as long as it's not used aggressively. The 12A was just a reaction after loads of parents complained they couldn't take their children to see Spider-Man: a "look, we told you it's not really suitable for younger kids, but do want you want" compromise.

*Edit: Now I think about it, I may have mixed this up with the MPAA's "only one fuck in a PG-13" rule. Click.

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RE: F-Bombs in 12A-rated movies... - 17/9/2013 8:38:05 PM   
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I quote "Depends what shitty area one might live in."


Yep, I said that. I also said:

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ORIGINAL: DancingClown

But the shittier the area, the shittier the kids.


But then I realised how that sounded, given that I was berating Mike for making similar generalisations. So I said:

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ORIGINAL: DancingClown

Yes, it was wrong to suggest that the only kids under 12 who swear live in shitty areas, that was not my intention. Last thing I want to do is sound anything like that frightful cunt Katie Hopkins.


Sorry to burst your little bubble but in the dictionary under 'redundant' it says 'see redundant'.

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Coming from someone who implies someone is a paedo and then insults anyone that disagrees with his views that's brilliant! And i suppose the person you implied was a paedo is humourless too?


I didn't imply that anyone was a paedo. I made a joke. Perhaps a smiley to accompany it might have helped, but it was just a joke. Whether anyone actually thinks it's funny or not is now irrelevant. I'm not actually accusing anyone here of being a nonce.

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And yeah actually i am from one of those bad areas (Canning town in East London).


Erm...good for you. Better to be from a bad area than a bad adea.

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Yeah, your a lot like Danny Dyer, i think he is a cunt as well


It's you're, remember? I can only imagine that you're sitting there, seething with impotent wrath and pounding the keyboard like a confused and enraged chimp, and that might explain your consistent lack of grammatical skills. You're furious. Your fingers are shaking with rage, I get it now.

Imagine that last part in the voice of Danny Dyer if it helps.




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RE: F-Bombs in 12A-rated movies... - 17/9/2013 9:30:57 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DancingClown

quote:

ORIGINAL: snaze1

I quote "Depends what shitty area one might live in."


Yep, I said that. I also said:

quote:

ORIGINAL: DancingClown

But the shittier the area, the shittier the kids.


But then I realised how that sounded, given that I was berating Mike for making similar generalisations. So I said:

quote:

ORIGINAL: DancingClown

Yes, it was wrong to suggest that the only kids under 12 who swear live in shitty areas, that was not my intention. Last thing I want to do is sound anything like that frightful cunt Katie Hopkins.


Sorry to burst your little bubble but in the dictionary under 'redundant' it says 'see redundant'.

quote:

Coming from someone who implies someone is a paedo and then insults anyone that disagrees with his views that's brilliant! And i suppose the person you implied was a paedo is humourless too?


I didn't imply that anyone was a paedo. I made a joke. Perhaps a smiley to accompany it might have helped, but it was just a joke. Whether anyone actually thinks it's funny or not is now irrelevant. I'm not actually accusing anyone here of being a nonce.

quote:

And yeah actually i am from one of those bad areas (Canning town in East London).


Erm...good for you. Better to be from a bad area than a bad adea.

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Yeah, your a lot like Danny Dyer, i think he is a cunt as well


It's you're, remember? I can only imagine that you're sitting there, seething with impotent wrath and pounding the keyboard like a confused and enraged chimp, and that might explain your consistent lack of grammatical skills. You're furious. Your fingers are shaking with rage, I get it now.

Imagine that last part in the voice of Danny Dyer if it helps.





First of all, you do realise i am not the only one that has commented on you're being a dick?
And secondly, do you realise what a knob end you sound correcting peoples grammar???

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RE: F-Bombs in 12A-rated movies... - 17/9/2013 9:45:10 PM   
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First of all, you do realise i am not the only one that has commented on you're being a dick?


Hey, it worked, that's splendid. Geezer!




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And secondly, do you realise what a knob end you sound correcting peoples grammar???


Shit, back to the drawing board.




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RE: F-Bombs in 12A-rated movies... - 18/9/2013 10:07:08 AM   
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First of all, you do realise i am not the only one that has commented on you're being a dick?


Hey, it worked, that's splendid. Geezer!




Erm, I'm not taking sides here but you're both wrong - strictly speaking I think it should be "...commented on your being a dick?" as it's in relation to the possessive article (i.e. that of being a dick; see this handy - but no doubt annoying for some - usage chart).

Stepping away from the ongoing debate about nonces and grammar, my understanding of the whole cussin' in 12A thing is also that it is all about the specific context of its use. As others have mentioned, parents and guardians really should pay more attention to the "A" bit of 12A.

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RE: F-Bombs in 12A-rated movies... - 18/9/2013 11:03:30 AM   
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I cannot remember the films but I know that a good three 12A films I have attended have had children of about 5 or 6 years of age in the audience.

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RE: F-Bombs in 12A-rated movies... - 18/9/2013 11:11:51 AM   
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I remember there was some fool who brought two children about that age to watch The Dark Knight. That is she brought them so she could watch The Dark Knight while they wandered about the auditorium and chatted to each other.

In an ideal world the cinemas would turn people with small children away (even with a refund) rather than absolve themselves of responsibility and count the money. Obviously, as with ejecting knobheads and people using their phones, that's never going to happen.

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RE: F-Bombs in 12A-rated movies... - 18/9/2013 11:13:46 AM   
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Erm, I'm not taking sides here but you're both wrong - strictly speaking I think it should be "...commented on your being a dick?" as it's in relation to the possessive article (i.e. that of being a dick; see this handy - but no doubt annoying for some - usage chart).


Shit, you're right. Another Krakatoa of irony there.

quote:

Stepping away from the ongoing debate about nonces and grammar, my understanding of the whole cussin' in 12A thing is also that it is all about the specific context of its use. As others have mentioned, parents and guardians really should pay more attention to the "A" bit of 12A.


As I think I mentioned earlier I really do think the whole 12A thing muddles a system that really didn't need to be changed. Too much grey area.


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RE: F-Bombs in 12A-rated movies... - 18/9/2013 11:19:52 AM   
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I believe it was Pacific Rim where the small child could be heard crying into her parent arm even from a few rows away and i saw her hiding her face a good few time when the monsters were on screen. I think in these cases swearing is the least to worry about and rather it is traumatising a small child and destroying their potential future enjoyment of films.

Her mother told her to be quiet and carried on watching the film.

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RE: F-Bombs in 12A-rated movies... - 18/9/2013 11:30:03 AM   
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As for the OP, this:
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I always thought the 12A certificate was there to catch those films that would be normally rated PG but the distributors wanted to get a more 'adult' certificate to make the teenagers want to see them, which is fine when you want to throw violence at them...

is incorrect. The 12A is a 12-rated film, suitable for children over 12 years of age. However when Spiderman was rated a 12 all those years ago so many parents, as well as the studio, threw a shit-fit about their kids not being able to watch it (and I was working in a cinema at the time so I can assure you that some people were going absolutely mental about it) that the BBFC relented and introduced the 12A. It's still a 12-rated film, but parents (and that's the key - all responsibility lies with either parents or other accompanying adult) are permitted to take children under 12 to see them if they feel it will be suitable. The problem is that people forget that and then wonder why little Gemima is traumatised by watching something a bit violent or scary (say, Casino Royale or War Of The Worlds). To be honest there's not a lot of excuses in this day and age when you can go online and check for any mature content in a movie.

Officially and unofficially I agree with you both. The 12A was brought in for the reasons you've stated, but I suspect that a few times a film has been pushed towards a 12A certificate (The Star Trek into Darkness' cringe-inducing swearing for instance) to appeal to a young, teenage rebellious streak that wants to push boundaries and thinks along the lines of, "Hey guys, A stands for Adult, right?"

It's like smoking or playing chicken in the road, but without the danger.

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RE: F-Bombs in 12A-rated movies... - 18/9/2013 11:31:22 AM   
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I believe it was Pacific Rim where the small child could be heard crying into her parent arm even from a few rows away and i saw her hiding her face a good few time when the monsters were on screen. I think in these cases swearing is the least to worry about and rather it is traumatising a small child and destroying their potential future enjoyment of films.

Her mother told her to be quiet and carried on watching the film.


Some people shouldn't be allowed to a) reproduce, and b) walk the streets.

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RE: F-Bombs in 12A-rated movies... - 18/9/2013 11:51:32 AM   
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Personally I never saw the point in the 12A. If it's not suitable for a young kid to see the Joker menace some with a knife, then people shouldn't be given leeway to expose their kids to that.

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RE: F-Bombs in 12A-rated movies... - 18/9/2013 12:13:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FoximusPrime


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ORIGINAL: sanchia

I believe it was Pacific Rim where the small child could be heard crying into her parent arm even from a few rows away and i saw her hiding her face a good few time when the monsters were on screen. I think in these cases swearing is the least to worry about and rather it is traumatising a small child and destroying their potential future enjoyment of films.

Her mother told her to be quiet and carried on watching the film.


Some people shouldn't be allowed to a) reproduce, and b) walk the streets.

I think the issue in this case though is more to do with bad parenting than actual suitability. I think it's perfectly reasonable for the BBFC to allow parents to make the choice on whether their children are suitable, the problem is (as I think most people have touched upon) is that it does create a loophole. Parents bringing 5 year olds who run around the cinema disrupting the showing for everyone else should be the responsibility of the cinema, not the censorship board. Superdan's point about the misinterpretation of the rating is also a problem, 12A is essentially the same PG as far as some parents are concerned and that's simply not the case ... is PG even around any more?

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RE: F-Bombs in 12A-rated movies... - 18/9/2013 1:18:00 PM   
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Superdan's point about the misinterpretation of the rating is also a problem, 12A is essentially the same PG as far as some parents are concerned and that's simply not the case ... is PG even around any more?


See, I can't blame parents for being confused about the 12A. Sure, it leaves them to make more independent liberal judgements about what they feel their children are capable of enduring, be it bad language or violence, but not all parents are as clued up about the content of a certain film, and through no real fault of their own.

This is from the BBFC website:

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...the BBFC considers the content of 12A rated films to be suitable for children aged 12 and over, and we would not recommend taking very young children to see them. Works classified at these categories may upset children under 12 or contain material which many parents will find unsuitable for them.

An adult may take a younger child if, in their judgement, the film is suitable for that particular child...


See, that just sounds like the old guidelines for a PG to me. Sure, they also say that specific content is discussed on their website to help parents make that decision but not all parents know where to look. If it was kept at just a PG or a 12 at least then the parent can know where they stand by the fact of the category alone, as opposed to having to 'investigate' before-hand. Because who's gonna really bother to do that?


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RE: F-Bombs in 12A-rated movies... - 18/9/2013 3:29:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: musht

Superdan's point about the misinterpretation of the rating is also a problem, 12A is essentially the same PG as far as some parents are concerned and that's simply not the case ... is PG even around any more?


See, I can't blame parents for being confused about the 12A. Sure, it leaves them to make more independent liberal judgements about what they feel their children are capable of enduring, be it bad language or violence, but not all parents are as clued up about the content of a certain film, and through no real fault of their own.

This is from the BBFC website:

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...the BBFC considers the content of 12A rated films to be suitable for children aged 12 and over, and we would not recommend taking very young children to see them. Works classified at these categories may upset children under 12 or contain material which many parents will find unsuitable for them.

An adult may take a younger child if, in their judgement, the film is suitable for that particular child...


See, that just sounds like the old guidelines for a PG to me. Sure, they also say that specific content is discussed on their website to help parents make that decision but not all parents know where to look. If it was kept at just a PG or a 12 at least then the parent can know where they stand by the fact of the category alone, as opposed to having to 'investigate' before-hand. Because who's gonna really bother to do that?



I just went to the BBFC to read the difference between 12A and PG and as far as I can make out PG is for something aimed at an older audience, like We Bought A Zoo, which is aimed at a older audience but doesn't contain anything that is blatantly unsuitable for children, whereas something like Pacific Rim, which would actually be entertaining for a lot of boys 8-12 (I haven't seen it yet, but going by the trailer I guess I would've been first in line aged 12) but does contain violence and bad language which some parents may deem inappropriate and don't want their young kids to see regardless of whether they're with them or not.

I think if parents were really worried about suitability they'd find out where the look. The problem, I think, is parents don't care or as Superdan says misinterpret the 12A, which is partly the BBFC's fault. Ideally, when parents are buying tickets they should be informed of the film's rating and asked if they really want to take their kids to see it, but it's never going to happen.

On a side note I also went to the Irish Film Classification Office website to see what they had to say on the matter only to be reminded that over here we actually have a 15A "Films classified 15A have been deemed appropriate for viewers of fifteen and over. However, they can also be seen by younger children - provided they are accompanied by an adult who has deemed the film appropriate viewing for that child", which is extremely liberal of us, and completely typifies the "Sure, it'll be grand" Irish mentality.

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RE: F-Bombs in 12A-rated movies... - 18/9/2013 5:35:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DancingClown


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ORIGINAL: musht

Superdan's point about the misinterpretation of the rating is also a problem, 12A is essentially the same PG as far as some parents are concerned and that's simply not the case ... is PG even around any more?


See, I can't blame parents for being confused about the 12A. Sure, it leaves them to make more independent liberal judgements about what they feel their children are capable of enduring, be it bad language or violence, but not all parents are as clued up about the content of a certain film, and through no real fault of their own.


That's not really an acceptable excuse to me if I'm honest. The 12A rating has been around for over a decade, and it only exists because parents demanded the right to decide if a film is suitable for their child. If you have internet access you can read all about the adult content on the BBFC or IMDB websites to name but two. If that isn't an option, then the newspaper, posters etc on have brief guidelines ("strong language", "mild peril" and so on). If neither of those are possible, then when you take the kid to the cinema just ask the staff whether the film contains violence/swearing/whatever. If you can't get any information at any point and are at a loss about whether the film is suitable then you still have two options: a) take the kid in and if things get a bit spicy hoy them out, or: b) don't watch the movie.

Failure to do any of these things means only the parent (or adult charged by the parent to make the decision, and therefore by extension the parent) is to blame if Hubert grows up a pyro because he watched The Dark Knight as an 8 year old or something. You don't actually see all that many PG's these days, as films that otherwise would have had one often decide there's scope to ratchet things up a bit (e.g. Revenge Of The Sith and its various dismemberments and infanticide) with violence or bad language. Equally, there are films that would have gone for a straight 12 or even a 15 that tone it down in order to maximise revenue to the fullest.

Basically, the 12A was a sop to shut people up and it's been a pain in the arse for the BBFC, cinemas and punters ever since. Unfortunately, if the BBFC decided to kill it there would be the same level of outcry as the one that birthed it so it's probably here to stay.

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RE: F-Bombs in 12A-rated movies... - 12/10/2013 2:54:22 AM   
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Hmm. I noticed that most 12 rated films only have the F word used once or twice. I remember Terminator 3 having it around twice or more, which surprisingly got away with a 12 and the violence was pretty intense as well.

Although, there are other 12 rated films I have seen that only use it once. For example, Source Code and Minority Report. I think I saw Beetlejuice many years ago, which is a 15 and that had one use of the F bomb too. I assume it received the 15 rating though because the 12 rating was not around when it came out in the late 80's. Could easily be a 12 today.

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