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"Seasoned" fans - 6/8/2013 12:50:17 PM   
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So I've been reading some reviews and comments about The Conjuring over the last few days, and while most of it's been positive, there are people out there who were unphased by it. Mark Kermode, for example. Yet that's not the problem for me - everyone has their own opinion - it's one of the reasons that's cropped up a few times for people disliking it that's caught my attention. I've read several comments that go along the lines of: "seasoned/real horror fans won't find this scary because we've see it all before", which I actually find quite insulting. Basically, they're implying that you have to be some random Joe who never watches horror movies to find The Conjuring scary. Well, I fell in love with horror movies way back when I was 12 and I watched The Evil Dead, so I think that puts me firmly in the "seasoned" category, yet I found The Conjuring scary as balls.

Kermode is a professed horror aficionado, constantly citing The Exorcist as one of his favourite films, but he never seems to enjoy horror movies these days. Paranormal Activity and Insidious are two more that did nothing for him, but I was shit-scared by both - as much as I was by The Exorcist. PA in particular found brand new ways to scare an audience that we didn't see in The Exorcist, Poltergeist, The Haunting etc, so why didn't it scare him at all? Again, I'm not saying he's wrong for disliking it, it just interests me. What will it take for a new horror movie to scare him? Or, if you're in the same boat as Kermode, what will it take to scare you? Is it just purely subjective? Is this question pointless?

I guess my overall question is, is it possible to have seen so much of something (doesn't just have to be horror) that you're completely unmoved by anything new in the genre? Has this happened to any of you? If that's the case, I find it quite depressing.

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RE: "Seasoned" fans - 6/8/2013 1:05:49 PM   
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I can't remember the last time I I felt fear when watching a film. I've stated on another thread somewhere that I had loads of older friends when I was a young kid (all the other kids in my street basically, regardless of age) and was pretty much desensitized to the genre due to watching stuff like Evil Dead, An American Werewolf in London, Nightmare on Elm Street etc from around 7 or 8 years old.

That's not to say that I don't find certain films unnerving (the Orphanage), a bit creepy (The Devil's Backbone) or sick (various gorenography films) and I'm as prone to jump shocks as anyone else but fear just isn't an emotion that film evokes for me and hasn't been for a couple of decades at least.

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RE: "Seasoned" fans - 6/8/2013 1:41:22 PM   
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Does that bother you, that you don't feel fear in movies? Or do you not really care?

Like I said, I saw The Evil Dead when I was really young, as well as things like The Exorcist, The Sixth Sense and Psycho, but I still find horror creepy as shit if it's done right. The reason I cite The Conjuring, Insidious and Paranormal Activity is because they're the only horrors in recent years that have really affected me. Of course, there are some that have been creepy or disturbing at the time (something like The Woman In Black, or the ones you mentioned), but those other three really plagued me into the night. That's why I love horror, because it affects me so much, and if I didn't have that I'm not sure I'd bother watching them.

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RE: "Seasoned" fans - 6/8/2013 2:01:17 PM   
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Can't say I'm too bothered to be honest. I mostly tend to keep clear of the genre these days, especially since the proliferation of found footage films which do nothing whatsoever for me (I'm looking at you Blair Witch and Cloverfield) and gorenography like Saw and it's ilk (does Wolf Creek come under the totrure porn banner? That film completely unnerved me whereas I found Saw an absolute chore to watch).

I'm kinda overstating my case a little though as I do still find a couple of scenes in An American Werewolf in London (the dream sequence) and A Nightmare on Elm Street (Tina Gray's demise) pant shittingly terrifying but that's mainly because I had nightmares about both for months when I was a kid. It'd be more accurate for me to say that no film I've seen since the afore mentioned films have managed to properly scare me.

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RE: "Seasoned" fans - 6/8/2013 2:02:21 PM   
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I watch horror movies for fun, not to be scared. As a 'seasoned' fan i don't really feel fear when watching movies anymore.

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RE: "Seasoned" fans - 6/8/2013 2:03:43 PM   
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You pose a very good question indeed.

Like HT, I was probably de-sensitised to horror films years ago - I was watching 18s at quite a young age (in retrospect arguably far too young, but my dad was a massive film fan so it was only natural) and soon progressed to horror through teenage fascination, and I spent a good chunk of the 90s wading through just about every single video nasty, Italian cannibal and zombie film, "death film" (i.e. Faces of Death and the like) and more mainstream horror I could get my hands on. Because of that, it has now got to the point where torture porn films like Saw and Hostel, new wave Japanese horror, Paranormal Activity and the like bore me to tears. And even The Exorcist, a film which affected me a great deal the first time I saw it (pan and scan American laserdisc, circa 1996), was mostly ruined forever when I made the mistake of going to see it on the big screen on halloween night when it was re-released in the UK - being with an audience full of teen emos and goths who found it at best funny, at worst outright sleep inducing had a huge influence on how I now see the film (although, having said that, there is still something unsettling about it).

In fact, over in my Fave Films thread in lists, I've just made a lengthy post about my dislike of The Blair Witch Project, whilst at the same time saying that the original The Haunting still to this day scares the shit out of me, and I am unable to watch it at any other time than first thing in the morning, in daylight hours. And that's an old black and white film with little in the way of anything particularly obviously scary.

Weird.

Basically, I don't really know what the answer to your question is.

Well, actually I do, and it's a two parter, but the second part is the one which is more mysterious. The first part answer is, as you say, subjectivity. But the second part answer, which extends that subjectivity further, is that it's not just subjectivity on an individual basis, but a much deeper subjectivity which is borne of specific experiences, moods, memories etc etc. Or summat.

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RE: "Seasoned" fans - 6/8/2013 2:23:14 PM   
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When it comes to Horror films I do hold a tiny bearing of pessimism towards them and it takes a hell of alot for me to be won over by some,especially nowadays which,going by trailers,featurettes and clips,seem to hold the same cliche acts over and over again.

And the Horrors that have won me over generally have more originality and a strong bearing on story over shocks,which in todays Horror films I'm never truly convinced but maybe that's just my ignorance showing through once again.

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I guess my overall question is, is it possible to have seen so much of something (doesn't just have to be horror) that you're completely unmoved by anything new in the genre? Has this happened to any of you? If that's the case, I find it quite depressing.


See this is an interesting question.
I go into every film with an open mind,believe it or not.And I always judge a film on what it is trying to say to me on a emotional ground whether its dark,funny,realistic,light and so fourth,and much of that relys heavily on how characters and concept are handled by the writers and directors.
I find nowadays that,especially Blockbusters (uhh),the only originality you will ever find is in the visuals, and even then peoples expectations can go overboard on that basis ,in which it generally leaves them disappointed,but that's a debate for another time.
Is it a case of watching to many films?possibly.Personally I tend to pace myself in film-watching.I've always believed in less is more.The more films I would watch the less I would look at myself as a fan and the more I would look at myself as an obsessive,but that's just my feelings.

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RE: "Seasoned" fans - 6/8/2013 2:26:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: great_badir

You pose a very good question indeed.

Like HT, I was probably de-sensitised to horror films years ago - I was watching 18s at quite a young age (in retrospect arguably far too young, but my dad was a massive film fan so it was only natural) and soon progressed to horror through teenage fascination, and I spent a good chunk of the 90s wading through just about every single video nasty, Italian cannibal and zombie film, "death film" (i.e. Faces of Death and the like) and more mainstream horror I could get my hands on. Because of that, it has now got to the point where torture porn films like Saw and Hostel, new wave Japanese horror, Paranormal Activity and the like bore me to tears. And even The Exorcist, a film which affected me a great deal the first time I saw it (pan and scan American laserdisc, circa 1996), was mostly ruined forever when I made the mistake of going to see it on the big screen on halloween night when it was re-released in the UK - being with an audience full of teen emos and goths who found it at best funny, at worst outright sleep inducing had a huge influence on how I now see the film (although, having said that, there is still something unsettling about it).

In fact, over in my Fave Films thread in lists, I've just made a lengthy post about my dislike of The Blair Witch Project, whilst at the same time saying that the original The Haunting still to this day scares the shit out of me, and I am unable to watch it at any other time than first thing in the morning, in daylight hours. And that's an old black and white film with little in the way of anything particularly obviously scary.

Weird.

Basically, I don't really know what the answer to your question is.

Well, actually I do, and it's a two parter, but the second part is the one which is more mysterious. The first part answer is, as you say, subjectivity. But the second part answer, which extends that subjectivity further, is that it's not just subjectivity on an individual basis, but a much deeper subjectivity which is borne of specific experiences, moods, memories etc etc. Or summat.


Well The Haunting thing is understandable; that thing terrifies me. I think part of the reason is because it's old, black and white and not obviously scary, so you don't really expect it.

I can certainly understand having a film ruined by a specific experience, or vice versa. I also saw The Exorcist on the big screen recently, and parts of the audience were horrendous. They would laugh every time a scare came, and natter amongst themselves. Thankfully it didn't put me off the film, but I can see how it might. But there are also films that I love almost purely because of the conditions in which I first saw it. I think that's where my love for Van Helsing comes from

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RE: "Seasoned" fans - 6/8/2013 3:00:05 PM   
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But why is it that The Haunting still scares the shit out of me now, even though I was already "seasoned" when I first saw it, and despite the fact it's very much an effects heavy (for the time) and "tame" studio picture, whilst Blair Witch, which is very cleverly constructed as real and relies an awful lot on the audient's own brain to conjure up whatever it is that is scary, bores the shit out of me and I could watch it all alone in the middle of the night and sleep quite happily afterwards?

Is it because my brain is not effective in coming up with its own imagery?

Does that also explain why I find most fictional books underwhelming and would usually much rather watch a film?

(All rhetorical, maybe)

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RE: "Seasoned" fans - 6/8/2013 11:03:42 PM   
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Are we talking about "dread" here or are we talking about jumps? I haven't seen The Conjuring yet so I can't really be sure but all of the jumps shown in the footage I've seen are sudden jumps/noise.

The films I find 'scary' are those that rely on a sense of what the fuck is coming next? And that sense doesn't really happen a lot anymore, to be honest. The last film I watched like that would have been The Innkeepers, which a) had likeable characters and b) didn't really too heavily on BOO! moments. In contrast to that, there's Sinister, which even fucking ends with the boogeyman leaning into shot looking at the camera in a last-ditch attempt you make you 'jump', not to scare you. I think there's a big difference between the two, and from Kermode's blog, seems to be what he is trying to say.


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RE: "Seasoned" fans - 6/8/2013 11:54:17 PM   
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I can honestly say, without a shadow of a doubt, that I have never been scared by a horror film.

Have they made me jump?  Yes.  Have they grossed me out?  Yes.

But if you're talking about going to bed and pulling the covers over my head and being worried about what I'd seen?  Never, not once. I've always watched them with the same detatchment that I watch any other film.  I might enjoy it, sometimes greatly so, but the idea of being genuinely terrified... never happened.

The news, on the other hand, fucking horrifies me.



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RE: "Seasoned" fans - 6/8/2013 11:59:24 PM   
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The news, on the other hand, fucking horrifies me.


I have much the same problem with real-life surgeries, no matter how minor.

I can happily sit through the entire Guinea Pig series without flinching (admittedly fully knowledgable about how it was all done), but the minute channel 4 or 5 show someone having some organ removed, I turn into a dreadful wreck.

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RE: "Seasoned" fans - 7/8/2013 12:12:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Whistler

So I've been reading some reviews and comments about The Conjuring over the last few days, and while most of it's been positive, there are people out there who were unphased by it. Mark Kermode, for example. Yet that's not the problem for me - everyone has their own opinion - it's one of the reasons that's cropped up a few times for people disliking it that's caught my attention. I've read several comments that go along the lines of: "seasoned/real horror fans won't find this scary because we've see it all before", which I actually find quite insulting. Basically, they're implying that you have to be some random Joe who never watches horror movies to find The Conjuring scary. Well, I fell in love with horror movies way back when I was 12 and I watched The Evil Dead, so I think that puts me firmly in the "seasoned" category, yet I found The Conjuring scary as balls.

Kermode is a professed horror aficionado, constantly citing The Exorcist as one of his favourite films, but he never seems to enjoy horror movies these days. Paranormal Activity and Insidious are two more that did nothing for him, but I was shit-scared by both - as much as I was by The Exorcist. PA in particular found brand new ways to scare an audience that we didn't see in The Exorcist, Poltergeist, The Haunting etc, so why didn't it scare him at all? Again, I'm not saying he's wrong for disliking it, it just interests me. What will it take for a new horror movie to scare him? Or, if you're in the same boat as Kermode, what will it take to scare you? Is it just purely subjective? Is this question pointless?

I guess my overall question is, is it possible to have seen so much of something (doesn't just have to be horror) that you're completely unmoved by anything new in the genre? Has this happened to any of you? If that's the case, I find it quite depressing.


In terms of what of you just outlined with Kermode's reactions to those films, I think it's because they don't work as horror films at all. I don't think it's because he's seen so many that he's tempered for anything.

I tend to gravitate towards horror more but the last Paranormal Activity film bored me senseless because it was clearly made by people who don't understand the genre. Despite a paucity of really good horror films recently, it's a genre I still love.

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RE: "Seasoned" fans - 7/8/2013 8:43:19 AM   
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I tend to read 'seasoned' as yet another film doing the same thing that passes for horror and scaring people (the same up soundtrack jump stuff) that nearly every other one does, something which can get tedious and becomes repetitive - rather than some genuine creativity on show. You can see it a bit in Woman in Black - take the original and the source, and then look at that same up/down BOOO! palate applied to the remake - it's sometimes as if they think they've found the trick to scaring and workmanlike creators construct unoriginal films around it.

Eg with Conjuring (which I haven't seen but might have a look on DVD), the trailer has bits that look straight out of Secret of Crickley Hall, the ITV TV series. Which also used some of the same things.

It's a bit like criticiams of a pop song that does the same pattern through, ending on the key changes etc etc - unless you do something really different or special in it, then that samenes becomes part of the criticism.

So for the criticism - I'd read it as implying that the film has the same beats going along, the expected ups and down, and when you start to see where they're coming and 'oh - there they are' that mutes any shock value. Perhaps, for some reviewers, it was just a little obvious?

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RE: "Seasoned" fans - 7/8/2013 9:18:10 AM   
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I think this a pretty complicated one for me because there's lots of different ways to approach it. I can choose to let myself be scared by something, I get into the mind frame of the characters and start to let myself feel what it would be like to be there in that situation it's fun and extends to things as diverse as Doctor Who (Blink for example) and the BBC drama that was on one christmas called Whistle and I'll Come to You (I think). But to allow me to do that I have to be interested in the characters and their situation, something that I very rarely tend to be when it comes to the standard American Teen Slasher flicks.

I'm also very tuned to the tone of a film so Scream was entirely unscary for me as I wasn't encouraged to be scared. It wasn't a horror film as such as we know and it was so blatant there was no room for genuine fear; except at the beginning of the second film which brilliantly played with the idea of being killed in a cinema and noone hearing you scream because they're all screaming at the film. Watching that in the cinema was genuinely unsettling as you were in exactly the same vulnerable situation as the protagonist on screen.

Then we come to the Excorcist. I've seen it a few times and the first time with a few mates on a dodgy old pirate copy aged 13 we all laughed at the swearing and the shitty effects. Another time on my own and older thinking about what the film was really about in terms of the absolute corruption of an innocent and faith and doubt and struggling with your own demons it was awful (I'm an atheist by the way).

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I can watch a film passively or actively I can choose to let it affect me or not but if it's a bad film then no matter how hard I try it won't affect me at all.


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RE: "Seasoned" fans - 7/8/2013 11:23:37 AM   
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I watch horror movies for fun, not to be scared. As a 'seasoned' fan i don't really feel fear when watching movies anymore.


Pretty much the same here. Being scared is no longer a prerequisite for me but it's always nice when a horror film achieves that.

The last one that truly scared the fuck out of me on the first viewing was The Descent. The Exorcist, Alien and Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me still retains the ability to creep me out.

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RE: "Seasoned" fans - 7/8/2013 11:31:58 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MonsterCat

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ORIGINAL: DONOVAN KURTWOOD

I watch horror movies for fun, not to be scared. As a 'seasoned' fan i don't really feel fear when watching movies anymore.


Pretty much the same here. Being scared is no longer a prerequisite for me but it's always nice when a horror film achieves that.

The last one that truly scared the fuck out of me on the first viewing was The Descent. The Exorcist, Alien and Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me still retains the ability to creep me out.


I guess when I said if horror no longer scared me I'd stop watching them I misspoke slightly. I do watch horror movies for fun as well - slashers in particular - but as opposed to you, I do go into a haunting movie hoping to be scared by it. If it doesn't really creep me out I'll be disappointed, but I might have still enjoyed the ride.

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RE: "Seasoned" fans - 7/8/2013 12:11:16 PM   
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I'll still jump at a cat leaping from a cupboard, but it takes something special to get under my skin these days.

Mama made me feel uneasy in the cinema, but it didn't stay long in the memory. Most of The Orphanage or the last ten minutes of [REC] though? Shudder.

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RE: "Seasoned" fans - 7/8/2013 12:17:21 PM   
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I wouldn't call myself a "seasoned" horror fan (as I've never been particularly big on the genre), but the last movie that really turned me into a nervous wreck for the rest of the night was A Tale Of Two Sisters.

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RE: "Seasoned" fans - 7/8/2013 3:51:03 PM   
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Its very hard to scare audiences these days with horror films because they have been done to death and we have seen everything really.Especially with supernatural horror.I think im not the only one who groans when i see a trailer for a film like The Conjuring complete with '' BASED ON A TRUE STORY! '' in an attempt to make it seem more real and credible.

I only enjoy horror films when they are just mindless fun like Friday The 13th.

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RE: "Seasoned" fans - 7/8/2013 4:36:12 PM   
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We've been having the same debate in the office this afternoon. Personally, I hate Paranormal Activity etc and absolutely refute that they bring anything new to the genre. Found footage? Done before. Sudden unexpected appearance or attack? Done before. Gore porn just bores me senseless, and while the first Saw movie was quite a tight psychological thriller, the subsequent formulaic sequels are just trite marketing exercises. I honestly don't think this is through desensitisation as much as despair at the sub-par production-line movies that are being passed off as horror

Its funny that The Exorcist cinema release is being mentioned here - when it finally got re-released, I went along to see it and, like others, the audience was largely younger people. They mostly looked bored as the movie progressed, but come the famous turning head scene there was a palpable change in atmosphere - some of them looked genuinely disturbed by what they'd seen and a substantial number even left shortly after. After that, the horror classic was treated with a little more respect by those that stayed to the end

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RE: "Seasoned" fans - 7/8/2013 4:51:16 PM   
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Well I seem to be fairly alone here

There are so many horror movies these days that fail, perhaps because we've seen it before or perhaps because it's just rubbish, but my argument about The Conjuring is that, while it is using familiar set-pieces and ideas, it's using them really effectively. Yes, we've seen the haunted farmhouse movie before, but it's proving that there are still ways of making it scary, which is why I don't go along with the idea that if you've seen it all before it has no value. In certain instances that will be true, but it's unfair to lump every single horror movie in there. Insidious, too, was nothing new plot-wise, but the way the scares came is what made it so effective. You might think I'm a complete pansy, but when I watched that movie I had red marks on my side from gripping so hard! And Paranormal Activity (strictly the first one) completely got inside my head, because it made me do all the work. We don't see a thing, we just imagine the worst at every possible turn.

For me, these films are doing something effective with the genre. They're scaring me the way The Exorcist, The Evil Dead, The Haunting and The Sixth Sense all did, not because they're incredibly unique, but because they're finding the scares that are still hidden within that "generic" forumla.

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RE: "Seasoned" fans - 7/8/2013 5:13:48 PM   
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I grew up on horror films from the video shop, especially slashers, My dad systematically renting all the Childs' Play series for us is a fond childhood memory!
I think the idea of a seasoned fans is spot on, not just with respect to horror, but all films.  We all are or know someone who is, that guy, who can call the beats of a film and character arcs, simply because we've seen it somemany times.

With respect to horror, when I was student I went to see The Ring at Hyde Park Cinema in Leeds, without knowing anything about it or having seen any J-Horror (for want of a better term) before.  It frightened the bejeesuz out of me, just becuase it's slow burn was so far removed from any western horror I'd seen before and the way it would push each creep-out to the absolute max of the frame, and a little bit further next time.  Afterwards I was totally buzzing and happy that horror was back on the table for me as a frightening experience.

You can still enjoy horror when you know it inside out, but you enjoy it for different reasons.  For the genre to be scarey again, it needs to be ahnnilated and rebuilt, the point that Cabin In The Woods was trying to make.

I also think it's hard to quantinfy fear.  You say you were scared by Paranormal Activity, I wouldn't say that, even though I was tense all the way through, because like many "Seasoned Fans", I don't count Jump Scares as good horror despite being unable to fight there biological effect on me.  I instantly forgot the film the moment it finished. 

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RE: "Seasoned" fans - 7/8/2013 5:20:16 PM   
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I grew up on horror films from the video shop, especially slashers, My dad systematically renting all the Childs' Play series for us is a fond childhood memory!
I think the idea of a seasoned fans is spot on, not just with respect to horror, but all films.  We all are or know someone who is, that guy, who can call the beats of a film and character arcs, simply because we've seen it somemany times.

With respect to horror, when I was student I went to see The Ring at Hyde Park Cinema in Leeds, without knowing anything about it or having seen any J-Horror (for want of a better term) before.  It frightened the bejeesuz out of me, just becuase it's slow burn was so far removed from any western horror I'd seen before and the way it would push each creep-out to the absolute max of the frame, and a little bit further next time.  Afterwards I was totally buzzing and happy that horror was back on the table for me as a frightening experience.

You can still enjoy horror when you know it inside out, but you enjoy it for different reasons.  For the genre to be scarey again, it needs to be ahnnilated and rebuilt, the point that Cabin In The Woods was trying to make.

I also think it's hard to quantinfy fear.  You say you were scared by Paranormal Activity, I wouldn't say that, even though I was tense all the way through, because like many "Seasoned Fans", I don't count Jump Scares as good horror despite being unable to fight there biological effect on me.  I instantly forgot the film the moment it finished. 


That's where we differ. PA was full of brooding fear rather than jump scares (for me anyway - I can't really think of many jumps in it). I couldn't stop thinking about it all night, and for many after.

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RE: "Seasoned" fans - 7/8/2013 5:46:10 PM   
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Tricky question to answer.

I mainly only watch horror films and to be honest, despite having the horror scene of the year with the clapping game of hide and seek, I was very disappointed with The Conjuring, it was well made and Wann knows how to set piece a horror film (even though he is no match for Ti West).

My main problem with the film was that it offered nothing new to the genre, I really wanted to be scared, but it failed in that department, despite the best intentions.

Is it because I have watched too many horrors? I can't answer that. Halloween was the first film that scared me way back in the early 80's when I was a nipper and i suppose the only thing i feel now when I watch a horror is more dread than a fear of being frightened.

Funny Games drained the life out of me and that is the feeling I get out of a good horror horror these days.

i would really like to be taken to that point of being scared with a film again but i doubt it will happen. I suppose the closest I have been is having watched Paranormal Activity and then in bed hearing a loud bang downstairs which made me shit myself and not sleep all night..... If I am in bed tonight and all of a sudden i hear clapping on the stairs, then I probably look at The Conjuring in a different light

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RE: "Seasoned" fans - 7/8/2013 6:40:43 PM   
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Well I seem to be fairly alone here

There are so many horror movies these days that fail, perhaps because we've seen it before or perhaps because it's just rubbish, but my argument about The Conjuring is that, while it is using familiar set-pieces and ideas, it's using them really effectively. Yes, we've seen the haunted farmhouse movie before, but it's proving that there are still ways of making it scary, which is why I don't go along with the idea that if you've seen it all before it has no value. In certain instances that will be true, but it's unfair to lump every single horror movie in there. Insidious, too, was nothing new plot-wise, but the way the scares came is what made it so effective. You might think I'm a complete pansy, but when I watched that movie I had red marks on my side from gripping so hard! And Paranormal Activity (strictly the first one) completely got inside my head, because it made me do all the work. We don't see a thing, we just imagine the worst at every possible turn.

For me, these films are doing something effective with the genre. They're scaring me the way The Exorcist, The Evil Dead, The Haunting and The Sixth Sense all did, not because they're incredibly unique, but because they're finding the scares that are still hidden within that "generic" forumla.


I am actually quite amazed that anyone would find Paranormal Activity scary.As Mark Kermode famously said in his reviews '' Its just basically a camcorder going Bzzzzzzzzzz.............BANG!.....Bzzzzzzzzz...........BANG! for two hours! ''.

Same goes for the likes of The Blair Witch Project.Idiots running around and speaking to a camcorder is not scary! Its just annoying.

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RE: "Seasoned" fans - 7/8/2013 6:54:05 PM   
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While I agree that the Blair Witch is not too everyone's taste. For me, its a lot more than "idiots running around"......

It unnerved me way back in 1999........

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RE: "Seasoned" fans - 7/8/2013 7:08:42 PM   
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I think horror movies are only ever truly scary ( For the most part ) when you see them at a young age when you are '' too young to be watching horror movies ''.

I saw Alien and Aliens when i was 11 years old and they ( Especially Aliens ) had me literally sweating in fear on many occasions during my first watch.Aliens is still my favourite film and always rewatchable to this day but its more to do with the cool Marine characters, military tech, action , and Hudson being hilarious with his '' WERE ALL GONNA DIE MAN! '' panic attacks rather than the fear factor.

I think the last horror movie i actually enjoyed was the Friday the 13th remake but that was more to do with the fact that it was fun to see Jason off idiot characters in gruesome fashion.....and the fact that the film had a great collection of babes with terrific boobs!

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RE: "Seasoned" fans - 7/8/2013 7:15:56 PM   
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Just for the record, The Blair Witch Project doesn't have any jump scares.
Anyway, I generally like Kermode but he gets on my tits when he bangs on about the Paranormal Activity films. I'd have though at his age he'd have realised different people are scared by different things. I consider myself a 'seasoned' horror fan and watched a truck load as a bairn in the '80s, a teenager in the '90s and beyond. It's not often a film frightens me these days and I'd agree with everyone that most modern mainstream horror is terribleb ut guess what? The first three Paranormal Activities (especially part three) scared the crap out of me. Whereas The Ring, which loads of people I know were terrified by, I found about as creepy as an episode of Scooby Doo. Why? Fuck knows, but anyone who claims this makes someone less of a 'proper' horror fan or that there's some kind of gold standard for what's scary and what isn't is talking out of their arse.

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RE: "Seasoned" fans - 7/8/2013 7:34:22 PM   
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Having thought about it for a bit i just remembered the last REAL horror film i enjoyed where i was actually scared...The Strangers.It has nothing to to do with the supernatural but what made it realy scary is how real the situation Liv Tyler and her boyfriend face in the film ( Having their little house being besieged by a bunch of killers ).What made it scary is how well it was made and performed by the actors and how the situation can easily happen in such a secluded location.This is why supernatural horror films '' based on a true story '' dont scare me because i simply dont believe in it.

And then there was the ending....

If you havnt seen it i highly recommend it.What sets it apart from tripe like the Paranormal activity films is that it didnt have that gimmicky '' found footage '' feel.Just very well scripted and directed with some good actors who know what they are doing.

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