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RE: Desolation of Smaug - 18/12/2013 6:27:29 AM   
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He was shot by a Morgul arrow which I'm guessing is similar to a Morgul blade. But he vocalised his pain much more than Frodo, who just kind of whimpered and passed out.

I'm going to admit that I didn't know that Azog was CGI until I read about it after seeing AUJ in the cinema



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Okay peeps, here's my ratings so far for Middle Earth films.

The Return of the King 4/5




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RE: Desolation of Smaug - 18/12/2013 8:02:58 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Gimli The Dwarf

He was shot by a Morgul arrow which I'm guessing is similar to a Morgul blade. But he vocalised his pain much more than Frodo, who just kind of whimpered and passed out.

I'm going to admit that I didn't know that Azog was CGI until I read about it after seeing AUJ in the cinema



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ORIGINAL: Ref

Okay peeps, here's my ratings so far for Middle Earth films.

The Return of the King 4/5





Yes... exactly what I was going to point out.
Morgul weapons turn people into wraiths if they're not dealt with soon enough. So it wasn't artificial drama, at all (unless you count the fact it was nowhere to be found in the book... in which case, it was).

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Desolation of Smaug - 18/12/2013 9:23:21 AM   
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My point wasn't the fact that it was a Morgul weapon, and the eventual effect it has. My point is that stuff like this plays-out alongside the cartoonish nature of the action in these films. Characters seem to tumble hundreds of feet without injury, bounce around like gummy bears and yet we're supposed to care when one gets shot by an arrow? This dwarf is clearly super-human as he survived a fall that would usually kill someone in the first film (in the mine).

Look, I know it's a fantasy film, and it deals in fantasy, but when you're clearly not imposing any kind of limits to physics in scenes of peril then you're removing all tension and drama and mortality to that world. The LOTR trilogy does balance this line quite well I think, but Jackson seems to have lost his mind with the Hobbit films.

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RE: Desolation of Smaug - 18/12/2013 9:30:16 AM   
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Do you not get the difference between falling and being shot by an evil magic arrow? Being able to survive one, doesn't - and shouldn't - mean they're able to survive anything, so the drama is perfectly relevant to the situation.

Now if one of them gets killed by a fall that they would have survived unscathed in an earlier scene, I'd see your point.

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RE: Desolation of Smaug - 18/12/2013 11:22:59 AM   
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Do you not get the difference between falling and being shot by an evil magic arrow?


Well as both should really lead to death then I don't really get the difference, no.

Edit: In fact, falling from a great height is more deadly than an evil magic arrow as that seemingly took six hours of the film to try to kill the dwarf, and a massive fall should lead to instant death.

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RE: Desolation of Smaug - 18/12/2013 9:13:41 PM   
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Review elsewhere but I'd rate the films:

Fellowship Of The Ring 9/10
Two Towers 8.5/10
Return Of The King 9.5/10
An Unexpectded Journey 6/10
Desolation Of Smaug 5/10

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RE: Desolation of Smaug - 18/12/2013 11:22:16 PM   
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I don't think I can take much more of seeing people rate the LOTR trilogy and not give them all top marks


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RE: Desolation of Smaug - 19/12/2013 12:48:30 AM   
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I don't think I can take much more of seeing people rate the LOTR trilogy and not give them all top marks



The first one is a five-starrer, but frankly... it's a downward slide after that.

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RE: Desolation of Smaug - 20/12/2013 10:04:40 AM   
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I don't think I can take much more of seeing people rate the LOTR trilogy and not give them all top marks



Well to be honest I was going for the cinema versions, if I went by the EEs, I'd probably move FOTR and ROTK up a notch so ROTK, at least, is 10/10. TTT, easily my least favourite of the trilogy, would stay at 8.5/10

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RE: Desolation of Smaug - 20/12/2013 10:08:28 AM   
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I thought I was the only one who thought that The Two Towers was the weakest of the trilogy.

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RE: Desolation of Smaug - 21/12/2013 12:41:17 AM   
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I loved the Two Towers and thought that the Battle of Helm's Deep was better executed than all of the battles in ROTK. But hey, if we all liked the same stuff the world would be a boring (but safer ) place. So I'm hoping that the Battle of 5 Armies will be more like TTT.

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RE: Desolation of Smaug - 21/12/2013 8:51:54 AM   
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If I did have to place them in order it'd be FOTR, TTT, ROTK but any changes in quality are infinitesimal. I generally take them all as one long film anyway.




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RE: Desolation of Smaug - 3/1/2014 4:22:27 PM   
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Yes, The LOTR is one film chopped into 3 for necessity sake just like the book. All of the extended versions of each LOTR film are 10/10 anyway.

The FOTR is the most faithful and Tolkien-esque
The TT has the best opening and the best ending.
The ROTK has the most emotional weight and many of my favourite scenes.

The Hobbit trilogy was never going to be as good as let alone better than The Lord of the Rings but I still hope Jackson 'knocks it out of the park', as the Yanks would say (and I have to!), with There And Back Again. Certainly in terms of emotion as well as spectacle it has the potential to be something special in a year of X-Men, Godzilla and Interstellar it will need to be.

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RE: Desolation of Smaug - 11/1/2014 2:13:52 AM   
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the movie was slow and dragged on and on, then when the fun starts it ends.

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