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Oldboy Red Band Trailer Up - 11/7/2013 12:29:17 AM   
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NO NO NO NO NO NO - 11/7/2013 12:29:17 AM   
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Hollywood remake? Let's give it a shot
No Vivaldi? Erm...Ok
His daughter's publicly on TV? Theyve changed the ending? I guess it could work
Zero violence despite red band trailer? wtf
Im at a loss.

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- 11/7/2013 6:48:51 AM   
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Pretty obvious they wouldn't follow the original film ending, doubt that would work with majority of western audiences. I don't think it needed a remake particularly but the trailer looks decent enough and if it makes people seek out the original then that's a good thing too. People moaning about remakes/reboots constantly, is as tedious as the remakes/reboots themselves....

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RE: - 11/7/2013 7:12:58 AM   
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Looks like they're at least doing things a bit differently. They've got a good director and cast so it could be worthwhile. Will just need to wait and see

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RE: - 11/7/2013 7:16:52 AM   
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Get a clue, gentlemen. The film has the exact same twist as the original.

SPOILER

The girl on the TV news report is not really his daughter. It's just a fake report inserted into his TV watching to misdirect him and the audience... You know, so people who haven't seen the first one will not guess where it's going.

It's pretty smart actually. The big reveal will be just as stomach-churning.

Whether the movie will stand on its own is the question...


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Typical Hollywood - 11/7/2013 9:19:43 AM   
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Same film, just with the Hollywood treatment. Take off the edge, verbally explain plot points, add more sex... job done. Well done Spike Lee you muppet.

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Manga Interpretation - 11/7/2013 9:35:14 AM   
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Many seem to be most upset about this film's apparent lack of adherence to the big twist on the original's ending. While some have suggested that this could be a red herring and the big twist is still in there, it might be worth pointing out that the twist is an invention of the original movie and was not in the manga that the original was based on. Could this remake be more of an adaptation of the manga than of the original film, with style tics taken from both the manga and movie? Just a thought...

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- 11/7/2013 10:45:12 AM   
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Hope Pythonlove is right, otherwise it just becomes another version of Taken. I'm still a bit skeptical as to whether US studios would take the risk of keeping the Big I ending.

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Agree with Dr Chez - 11/7/2013 11:46:56 AM   
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It's exactly the same film, I'd wager the ending is kept the same as well. Poor, very poor

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Looks terrible - 11/7/2013 12:09:05 PM   
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Looks fcking terrible but I am not surprised, it is Spike Lee directing it after all.

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Looks terrible - 11/7/2013 12:50:19 PM   
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Looks fcking terrible but I am not surprised, it is Spike Lee directing it after all.

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How wrong was I? - 11/7/2013 1:42:52 PM   
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I was going to keep my initials worrries on the down side and try to be a positive as possible. But after watching the trailer, I can voice my dissappointment! Holly-weird will dampen down the Big ending, try to stylise this rather than keep the gritty, raw, visceral feel of Park Chan Wook - I bet there isnt even a live Octopus to eat!!

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RE: How wrong was I? - 11/7/2013 1:50:25 PM   
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I don't think this looks terrible at all. Entirely pointless, perhaps, but not terrible.

We haven't seen Sharlto yet (apart from his arse).

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RE: How wrong was I? - 11/7/2013 2:09:43 PM   
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Will it be better then the Bollywood version though?

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Empire Review will be 4/5 - 11/7/2013 5:25:25 PM   
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While I freely admit that after seeing the original some years ago I have no interest in this remake, would anyone like to take a wager that Empire give this film 4 stars out of 5 but never state in the review that the potential viewers' time would be better spent watching the original five star film.

Most recent examples being Girl with the Dragon Tattoo x2, and Let The Right One In/Let Me In.

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RE: How wrong was I? - 11/7/2013 6:27:20 PM   
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I don't think this looks terrible at all. Entirely pointless, perhaps, but not terrible.

We haven't seen Sharlto yet (apart from his arse).


Sense at last! So many people carping on 'it looks terrible' (what looks terrible exactly? ), 'spike lee is rubbish' (really? ), 'prob wont even be a live octopus' (so you bitch about a remake but want it exactly the same? Make up your mind)...in the trailer we see hammers goin into heads, a similar looking clip to the famous corridor scene, slit wrists, slit throats...yeah looks watered down


I'vevnever ever thought, as soon as a remake was mentioned' that the ending would stay, I'll happily be proven wrong but I just cant see it, but that's fine with me. Im interested to see what they do with it. It certainly won't take away my love for the original so I can't see what peoples problems are. Its like if Bieber covered your favourite song...does it really effect (affect? ) you in any way or diminish your feelings for the original? Of course it doesn't. Folks need to get over the fact that Hollywood makes remakes. Id rather see them take on a brave remake like this, than churn out stuff like Battleship

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Why? Why? Why? - 11/7/2013 10:47:07 PM   
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Old Boy was my fav film of all time. Let's remake it they said because American audiences can't read and watch at the same time. And from the looks of the trailer it looks awful. Trashy, Americanised, sanitised, rubbish. And Josh Brolin is a woeful substitute for Choi Min-Sik. Why oh why!

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RE: Why? Why? Why? - 12/7/2013 2:10:34 AM   
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Old Boy was my fav film of all time. Let's remake it they said because American audiences can't read and watch at the same time. And from the looks of the trailer it looks awful. Trashy, Americanised, sanitised, rubbish. And Josh Brolin is a woeful substitute for Choi Min-Sik. Why oh why!


Hate to break it to you but British audiences are just as allergic to subtitled foreign films as American mainstream audiences. This just in: There are stupid people everywhere. Don't cry.

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RE: Why? Why? Why? - 12/7/2013 11:09:43 AM   
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Hate to break it to you but British audiences are just as allergic to subtitled foreign films as American mainstream audiences. This just in: There are stupid people everywhere. Don't cry.



Slight whiff of bullshit to this post, I'm afraid. I think it's more of a case of studios assuming that audiences are stupid and distributors of foreign films just not giving them a chance to experience mainstream exposure.

There have been a small number of subtitled films breaking out into the mainstream. Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon; Amelie; Untouchable.

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RE: Why? Why? Why? - 12/7/2013 11:53:41 AM   
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And calling people stupid for not watching a subtitled film is sweeping and very snobbish.

And again, for the naysayers of whom there seems to be plenty, how does it look sanitised? Or trashy? And why is Brolin an awful substitute? How do you know this. No wonder I rarely look in these parts of the forum. ...I should know by now not to bite

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RE: Why? Why? Why? - 12/7/2013 6:14:00 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

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Hate to break it to you but British audiences are just as allergic to subtitled foreign films as American mainstream audiences. This just in: There are stupid people everywhere. Don't cry.



Slight whiff of bullshit to this post, I'm afraid. I think it's more of a case of studios assuming that audiences are stupid and distributors of foreign films just not giving them a chance to experience mainstream exposure.

There have been a small number of subtitled films breaking out into the mainstream. Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon; Amelie; Untouchable.


You must be smelling your own post. Mainstream audiences, whether in the US or the UK, do not attend subtitled movies the way they do films in English. The numbers overwhelmingly prove that. It's their loss and, yes, a sign of narrowminded parochialism. If you dispute that fact, you're wrong. Thankfully some films do break through and hopefully people are getting more international in their tastes, but this myth that it is only the US that has a "problem" with subtitles is the real bullshit.

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RE: Why? Why? Why? - 12/7/2013 6:33:50 PM   
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You must be smelling your own post. Mainstream audiences, whether in the US or the UK, do not attend subtitled movies the way they do films in English. The numbers overwhelmingly prove that. It's their loss and, yes, a sign of narrowminded parochialism. If you dispute that fact, you're wrong. Thankfully some films do break through and hopefully people are getting more international in their tastes, but this myth that it is only the US that has a "problem" with subtitles is the real bullshit.



I won't dispute the fact that there are some who won't watch foreign simply because they're foreign and have subtitles, but I will dispute your sweeping generalisations. I just think you're being a tad unfair to cinema goers in general.

People really aren't given a much of a choice at the cinemas. I had to travel 20 miles to London to see Let the Right One In because my local cinema saw fit to dedicate most of their screens to Fast & Furious 4. Now I'm not saying LTROI would've kicked F&F4 ass at the box office, but it might have done much more if the distributor and cinemas didn't underestimate people. Same could be said for other subtitled films and more left-field fare.





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RE: Why? Why? Why? - 12/7/2013 7:22:28 PM   
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You must be smelling your own post. Mainstream audiences, whether in the US or the UK, do not attend subtitled movies the way they do films in English. The numbers overwhelmingly prove that. It's their loss and, yes, a sign of narrowminded parochialism. If you dispute that fact, you're wrong. Thankfully some films do break through and hopefully people are getting more international in their tastes, but this myth that it is only the US that has a "problem" with subtitles is the real bullshit.



I won't dispute the fact that there are some who won't watch foreign simply because they're foreign and have subtitles, but I will dispute your sweeping generalisations. I just think you're being a tad unfair to cinema goers in general.

People really aren't given a much of a choice at the cinemas. I had to travel 20 miles to London to see Let the Right One In because my local cinema saw fit to dedicate most of their screens to Fast & Furious 4. Now I'm not saying LTROI would've kicked F&F4 ass at the box office, but it might have done much more if the distributor and cinemas didn't underestimate people. Same could be said for other subtitled films and more left-field fare.


I don't disagree with this - at all. I wish studios would put their distribution weight behind the "best" foreign films (for a start) and really push them, instead of just rushing to remake them...badly. Some people need to be exposed to international films, so they can find out how good they are and get over whatever lazy prejudice they have. Others just need to be told where they can find them! I live in a city with a handful of art house theatres, but the advertising is almost nil and too often the theatres practically empty. To the point where I worry about their survival. There needs to be a better promotional push and for that you need big companies getting into distributing. I agree with both sides of the argument - some people are "stupid" about subtitles ("I don't want to read" - oh gimme a break, you don't even notice it after a couple minutes) but studios do underestimate people's ability to adapt and their desire to see things that are fresh and different. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Thanks for showing the WHOLE premise... - 12/7/2013 7:46:49 PM   
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I hate these trailers.... ----- In other news, I love Josh Brolin in everything he's in plus I love R-rated stuff, so this might work even though I know the Korean original.

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- 12/7/2013 9:40:08 PM   
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Looks cool. One of the few movies that could easily work remade. That said, the hammer sequence looks like it might have been just ripped off directly. That said, looks like they're too chicken to do the original flick's twist, unless it's an intentional double bluff to fuck with those who've seen the original.

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Don't know what everyone's complaining about. - 15/7/2013 8:08:04 AM   
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Looks great. If you don't like it, don't watch it. You'll always have the original (which I found too impersonal to enjoy).

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