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Movies that jump the shark..( Spoilers for Iron Man 3 ) - 29/4/2013 7:42:23 PM   
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SPOILERS FOR IRON MAN 3 IN CASE YOU DIDNT READ THE TITLE PROPERLY...

So i was watching Iron Man 3 at the weekend and was enjoying the film well enough until the big plot twist reveal over the films villain The Mandarin.It was such a jump the shark moment in that not only did it make a mockery of Iron Mans greatest enemy from the comics, it just turned what was a decent action comedy into a full blown parody.This really brought down the film for me and while i would not say that Iron Man 3 is a terrible movie because of it because it is still an entertaining blockbuster, it definetly spoiled most of my enjoyment of what could and should have been a much better movie.

It occured to me that there have been other instances where i have been watching and enjoying ( or at the very least tolerating or giving a chance to get better ) a movie only for it to derail at some point where there is no chance for it to recover.Another example would be Superman Returns.I remember watching that film at the time of its release and when the identity of Lois Lanes son became apparent, it was a point where the film just went completely downhill and never recovered.

Im sure i have many other examples and curious to hear if others here have some of films that they were enjoying until that jump the shark moment and why it ruined a film for you.

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RE: Movies that jump the shark..( Spoilers for Iron Man... - 29/4/2013 7:47:52 PM   
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Spoilers for Iron Man Three again-

As someone who doesn't give a shit about the comics, I enjoyed that part of the film. It made me chuckle. Also, I don't think it made a mockery of the character either. If anything it explained why this Mandarin wasn't Asian, this is not the Mandarin of the comics......

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RE: Movies that jump the shark..( Spoilers for Iron Man... - 29/4/2013 7:59:30 PM   
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Spoilers for Iron Man Three again-

As someone who doesn't give a shit about the comics, I enjoyed that part of the film. It made me chuckle. Also, I don't think it made a mockery of the character either. If anything it explained why this Mandarin wasn't Asian, this is not the Mandarin of the comics......


Same here.



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RE: Movies that jump the shark..( Spoilers for Iron Man... - 29/4/2013 7:59:49 PM   
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As someone who doesn't give a shit about the comics, I enjoyed that part of the film. It made me chuckle.


I don't give a shit about the comics either, and I thought it was a fucking terrible twist and it fucks the movie up. Seriously not hated a movie twist like this for ages. I cant think of a film that has pissed me off as much as IM3 has.



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RE: Movies that jump the shark..( Spoilers for Iron Man... - 29/4/2013 8:03:42 PM   
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Really? Wow. I didn't think it was that bad.

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RE: Movies that jump the shark..( Spoilers for Iron Man... - 29/4/2013 8:10:04 PM   
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Really? Wow. I didn't think it was that bad.


The movie overall is fine, enjoyable and occasionally very good, but that twist fucks it up. On second viewing it is even more annoying to me. It's played well, but it really robs the movie of a great villain (Trevor Mandarin) and replaces him with a pretty boring one (Killian Mandarin). Eugh. Still, I don't want to get too much into my problems with that movie. My thoughts overall on IM3 are over in the reviews thread (warning, it's kinda long and rambling).

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RE: Movies that jump the shark..( Spoilers for Iron Man... - 29/4/2013 8:20:21 PM   
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Before the movies, my entire experience with Iron Man (beyond the odd guest appearance in Spider-Man) was a shit cartoon from the 90's. I have never read an issue of the Iron Man comics (although I've intended to read Extremis for a while), and therefore all I knew of The Mandarin is that he's like Iron Man's equivalent of The Joker.

That twist pissed me off. It was funny, sure. But it pissed me off. All I could think of is what it would have been like if Heath Ledger suddenly slipped into a Russell Brand impression halfway through The Dark Knight after he'd been built up (in the marketing, in the series up until that point - the Five Rings organisation from the first film was intended to be revealed to be led by him, and the film itself in The Mandarin's case).

And the fact that it's a twist that was already used by Batman Begins (though not in a comedic way) just makes it not that original, either. Good film... but the worst of the Marvel films so far.

But anyway... dwelling on the twist in Iron Man 3 is for Iron Man 3 topics. Other films with plot points that jump the shark, anyone?

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RE: Movies that jump the shark..( Spoilers for Iron Man... - 29/4/2013 8:48:06 PM   
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Yeah, I really hated that twist as well. Ben Kingsley was giving such a good performance up to that point, and for a while I felt like they'd finally created someone who might make Tony Stark feel even remotely in danger.

And then "Ah'm Cap'n Ben Kingsley, savvy!"

What pissed me off the most was that this meant Guy Pearce took over the reins as main villain, and never once seemed as remotely sinister as he did in The King's Speech when he was mocking "B-B-B-Berty's" stammer.

It sucks, because I was really enjoying it up til then

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RE: Movies that jump the shark..( Spoilers for Iron Man... - 29/4/2013 9:44:06 PM   
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I really enjoyed the film. It's my second favourite feature of the year. The twist completely caught me by surprise.

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ORIGINAL: Shifty Bench

Really? Wow. I didn't think it was that bad.


The movie overall is fine, enjoyable and occasionally very good, but that twist fucks it up. On second viewing it is even more annoying to me. It's played well, but it really robs the movie of a great villain (Trevor Mandarin) and replaces him with a pretty boring one (Killian Mandarin). Eugh. Still, I don't want to get too much into my problems with that movie. My thoughts overall on IM3 are over in the reviews thread (warning, it's kinda long and rambling).


That's the bit where I disagree. He certainly still had the capacity to be a great villain, but at that point all he hadn't done a great deal.

We don't witness the first attacks he takes credit for; we're only told about them.

He takes credit for the Chinease theater bombing but we already know that Killian's mate was more directly responsible for it, and we've been given strong visual clues linking it to Maya's research. As well as that, in a prologue that features both Maya and Killian and the indication that they'll work together (but nothing about the Mandarin), Tony talks about creating his own demons. At this point the Mandarin is another plot thread to be dealt with, vague, and with no real purpose. A distraction. Another ball in the already cluttered air that could cause everything to fall, and it's the one that's a long way from the others.

Tony issues a 'come and get me' taunt to the Mandarin. His home is attacked and, once again, it's Killian's mate who is taking direct responsibility for it.

The first thing he does that really got my attention was the off-camera shooting of the accountant and by that time we know he's working with Killian. All we know about him that separates him from the terrorists in the first film is that he has an unspecified vendetta against the President

Sir Kingsley was great up until the twist. And he continued to be great, albeit in an unexpected way, after the twist.

And seriously, who wants to see a man in a powerful metal suit beat down a 69 year old without giving us a third consecutive iron men vs. iron men finale? Necessary is a strong term to describe the twist, but something had to change.

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RE: Movies that jump the shark..( Spoilers for Iron Man... - 29/4/2013 11:58:47 PM   
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I haven't read any of these posts but having been bored shitless by Iron Man 2 and thus having no desire whatsoever to see the new 'un I think all this talk of a twist - good or bad - has made me want to have a look. Well done, folks!

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RE: Movies that jump the shark..( Spoilers for Iron Man... - 30/4/2013 6:38:37 AM   
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I haven't read any of these posts but having been bored shitless by Iron Man 2 and thus having no desire whatsoever to see the new 'un I think all this talk of a twist - good or bad - has made me want to have a look. Well done, folks!


Ironman 2 was terrible, and the good stuff in Ironman 1 didn't outweigh the bad. Ironman 3 is really enjoyable.

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RE: Movies that jump the shark..( Spoilers for Iron Man... - 30/4/2013 9:17:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: thedrin

I really enjoyed the film. It's my second favourite feature of the year. The twist completely caught me by surprise.

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ORIGINAL: Shifty Bench

Really? Wow. I didn't think it was that bad.


The movie overall is fine, enjoyable and occasionally very good, but that twist fucks it up. On second viewing it is even more annoying to me. It's played well, but it really robs the movie of a great villain (Trevor Mandarin) and replaces him with a pretty boring one (Killian Mandarin). Eugh. Still, I don't want to get too much into my problems with that movie. My thoughts overall on IM3 are over in the reviews thread (warning, it's kinda long and rambling).


That's the bit where I disagree. He certainly still had the capacity to be a great villain, but at that point all he hadn't done a great deal.

We don't witness the first attacks he takes credit for; we're only told about them.

He takes credit for the Chinease theater bombing but we already know that Killian's mate was more directly responsible for it, and we've been given strong visual clues linking it to Maya's research. As well as that, in a prologue that features both Maya and Killian and the indication that they'll work together (but nothing about the Mandarin), Tony talks about creating his own demons. At this point the Mandarin is another plot thread to be dealt with, vague, and with no real purpose. A distraction. Another ball in the already cluttered air that could cause everything to fall, and it's the one that's a long way from the others.

Tony issues a 'come and get me' taunt to the Mandarin. His home is attacked and, once again, it's Killian's mate who is taking direct responsibility for it.

The first thing he does that really got my attention was the off-camera shooting of the accountant and by that time we know he's working with Killian. All we know about him that separates him from the terrorists in the first film is that he has an unspecified vendetta against the President

Sir Kingsley was great up until the twist. And he continued to be great, albeit in an unexpected way, after the twist.

And seriously, who wants to see a man in a powerful metal suit beat down a 69 year old without giving us a third consecutive iron men vs. iron men finale? Necessary is a strong term to describe the twist, but something had to change.


I don't want this to be another IM3 thread, so apologies for keeping it that way for now.

My thoughts on the twist are in more detail in my review thread comments, but I think based on the comments here youve misunderstood my issue with the twist. I get everything in your post, and the whole set up of Killian as the bad guy (you're blind and movie illiterate if you don't see Killian and Maya as bad guys from the 1999 scenes) and I get that until the point of the twist we're not seeing any thing of real depth or detail from Trevor Mandarin, but what we are seeing in those video comms and in the single short scene we have of him outside those video's (as his convoy enters the mansion), is so good and promising, that when the rug is pulled and Trevor Mandarin is really revealed, it makes the films threat to Stark drop immensely. Trevor Mandarin was something completely different to any villain in the IM films, and in that form he would've been an interesting and threatening advasary, even with the boring Extremis Soldiers acting as his weapons. I didn't really want a toe to toe punch up between Mandarin and Stark (although a Mandarin with some kind of alien tech from the MCU would've been a nice tie to Avengers) but rather I wanted them face to face in something of a verbal sparring session. I love it when a hero and villain square off on screen with nothing but words, it can be far better than any fist fight, and given how good and polar opposite the two characters are, Mandarin vs Stark would've been great. However, what were left with is something far more generic. A villain that comes with a corporate suit and issues with Stark personally ('cos yea, Iron Man and Iron Man 2 didn't use similar villains at all in Stane, Hammer and Ivan Whatshisfuckinghops). So not only is Killian Mandarin nothing new thematically, he doesn't ever feel like a threat to Stark even when he is glowing fucking orange and breathing fire. Then on top of that, the actual bad guy plot is boring as fuck and I reckon a good comic book hero is only as good as the villain and threat against him. Killian wants to corner a market of anti terrorism product by getting the VP into power and therefore securing the contracts to fight the terrorism he is creating via Trevor Mandarin. That is boring and is a waste after the genuinely chilling suggestion and set up that we have a villain who is nothing but an idealist with a sever hatred of freedom and the USA and blah blah. Trevor Mandarin looked and acted like he had no care for money or power and he had no problem with brutal murder. Killain Mandarin comes across as someone who just wants back at Stark cos he ignored him and who wants to try and coin it in. Fuck that.


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RE: Movies that jump the shark..( Spoilers for Iron Man... - 30/4/2013 10:39:32 AM   
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Pretty much agree with all porntroopers posts there regarding IM3.Ben Kingsley could have given us a truly memorable screen villain on the same level as Heath Ledgers Joker if he had been given the chance to properly play The Mandarin as had been promised in the advertising.Instead he was wasted for a weak " comedic " inversion of the Batman Begins plot twist.

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RE: Movies that jump the shark..( Spoilers for Iron Man... - 30/4/2013 10:48:46 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Shifty Bench

Spoilers for Iron Man Three again-

As someone who doesn't give a shit about the comics, I enjoyed that part of the film. It made me chuckle. Also, I don't think it made a mockery of the character either. If anything it explained why this Mandarin wasn't Asian, this is not the Mandarin of the comics......


I enjoyed it too, although I saw it coming a mile off so not sure how much of a twist it was!. Thoroughly enjoyed the whole movie! comic book movies taking themselves too seriously, no thanks.

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RE: Movies that jump the shark..( Spoilers for Iron Man... - 30/4/2013 10:52:43 AM   
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Let's be clear... even if they didn't include that plot twist, Iron Man 3 was in no danger of taking itself seriously...

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RE: Movies that jump the shark..( Spoilers for Iron Man... - 30/4/2013 12:40:49 PM   
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quote:

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I don't want this to be another IM3 thread, so apologies for keeping it that way for now.

My thoughts on the twist are in more detail in my review thread comments, but I think based on the comments here youve misunderstood my issue with the twist. I get everything in your post, and the whole set up of Killian as the bad guy (you're blind and movie illiterate if you don't see Killian and Maya as bad guys from the 1999 scenes) and I get that until the point of the twist we're not seeing any thing of real depth or detail from Trevor Mandarin, but what we are seeing in those video comms and in the single short scene we have of him outside those video's (as his convoy enters the mansion), is so good and promising, that when the rug is pulled and Trevor Mandarin is really revealed, it makes the films threat to Stark drop immensely. Trevor Mandarin was something completely different to any villain in the IM films, and in that form he would've been an interesting and threatening advasary, even with the boring Extremis Soldiers acting as his weapons. I didn't really want a toe to toe punch up between Mandarin and Stark (although a Mandarin with some kind of alien tech from the MCU would've been a nice tie to Avengers) but rather I wanted them face to face in something of a verbal sparring session. I love it when a hero and villain square off on screen with nothing but words, it can be far better than any fist fight, and given how good and polar opposite the two characters are, Mandarin vs Stark would've been great. However, what were left with is something far more generic. A villain that comes with a corporate suit and issues with Stark personally ('cos yea, Iron Man and Iron Man 2 didn't use similar villains at all in Stane, Hammer and Ivan Whatshisfuckinghops). So not only is Killian Mandarin nothing new thematically, he doesn't ever feel like a threat to Stark even when he is glowing fucking orange and breathing fire. Then on top of that, the actual bad guy plot is boring as fuck and I reckon a good comic book hero is only as good as the villain and threat against him. Killian wants to corner a market of anti terrorism product by getting the VP into power and therefore securing the contracts to fight the terrorism he is creating via Trevor Mandarin. That is boring and is a waste after the genuinely chilling suggestion and set up that we have a villain who is nothing but an idealist with a sever hatred of freedom and the USA and blah blah. Trevor Mandarin looked and acted like he had no care for money or power and he had no problem with brutal murder. Killain Mandarin comes across as someone who just wants back at Stark cos he ignored him and who wants to try and coin it in. Fuck that.



Bolded points are the biggest source of disagreement.

The first is down to highly subjective reasons. There is no right opinion.

[Assumption: "threat against him" refers to the threat coming directly from the villains] The best counter example I can think of is Ironman 3 which isn't a great one given the discussion. Unbreakable?

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RE: Movies that jump the shark..( Spoilers for Iron Man... - 30/4/2013 1:21:58 PM   
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SPOILERS. Again. Maybe more specific ones this time.








Although Iron Man has always been my favourite superhero, I'm not a hardcore fanboy, and I have to say Trevor Slattery from Croydon watching Match of the Day over Stark's shoulder whilst having a beer and nodding off absolutely killed me and my mate. A fantastic bit of sleight of hand that I don't think anyone saw coming, and it amused me in hindsight that in his One Show appearance, Kingsley didn't give anything away and still talked about the character as if it really was the Mandarin.

As others have intimated, Iron Man (at least in terms of the current films) is a very different beast than its comic origins, in that it is a light hearted superhero series. I think it would get far more complaints if it "did a Nolan" and turned into a dark broody piece than if it maintained its air of humour.

I agree with other people who have said Iron Man's (as in the series as a whole) main problem is the lack of a really memorable (dare I say it, Bane or Joker style) antagonist, but that's a very different argument than Trevor Slattery from Croydon.


Anyway, to move this away from Iron Man and back to the original question, plenty of films jump the shark, but the one that has annoyed me most in the last couple of years is The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo (original - haven't yet seen Fincher's remake), specifically how it spends over two hours setting up a very twisty and intricate maze-like plot, before shitting all over it and revealing that all of that was completely coincidental to the actual crimes. Thanks for completely wasting my time.

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RE: Movies that jump the shark..( Spoilers for Iron Man... - 30/4/2013 1:23:14 PM   
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quote:

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I don't want this to be another IM3 thread, so apologies for keeping it that way for now.

My thoughts on the twist are in more detail in my review thread comments, but I think based on the comments here youve misunderstood my issue with the twist. I get everything in your post, and the whole set up of Killian as the bad guy (you're blind and movie illiterate if you don't see Killian and Maya as bad guys from the 1999 scenes) and I get that until the point of the twist we're not seeing any thing of real depth or detail from Trevor Mandarin, but what we are seeing in those video comms and in the single short scene we have of him outside those video's (as his convoy enters the mansion), is so good and promising, that when the rug is pulled and Trevor Mandarin is really revealed, it makes the films threat to Stark drop immensely. Trevor Mandarin was something completely different to any villain in the IM films, and in that form he would've been an interesting and threatening advasary, even with the boring Extremis Soldiers acting as his weapons. I didn't really want a toe to toe punch up between Mandarin and Stark (although a Mandarin with some kind of alien tech from the MCU would've been a nice tie to Avengers) but rather I wanted them face to face in something of a verbal sparring session. I love it when a hero and villain square off on screen with nothing but words, it can be far better than any fist fight, and given how good and polar opposite the two characters are, Mandarin vs Stark would've been great. However, what were left with is something far more generic. A villain that comes with a corporate suit and issues with Stark personally ('cos yea, Iron Man and Iron Man 2 didn't use similar villains at all in Stane, Hammer and Ivan Whatshisfuckinghops). So not only is Killian Mandarin nothing new thematically, he doesn't ever feel like a threat to Stark even when he is glowing fucking orange and breathing fire. Then on top of that, the actual bad guy plot is boring as fuck and I reckon a good comic book hero is only as good as the villain and threat against him. Killian wants to corner a market of anti terrorism product by getting the VP into power and therefore securing the contracts to fight the terrorism he is creating via Trevor Mandarin. That is boring and is a waste after the genuinely chilling suggestion and set up that we have a villain who is nothing but an idealist with a sever hatred of freedom and the USA and blah blah. Trevor Mandarin looked and acted like he had no care for money or power and he had no problem with brutal murder. Killain Mandarin comes across as someone who just wants back at Stark cos he ignored him and who wants to try and coin it in. Fuck that.



Bolded points are the biggest source of disagreement.

The first is down to highly subjective reasons. There is no right opinion.

[Assumption: "threat against him" refers to the threat coming directly from the villains] The best counter example I can think of is Ironman 3 which isn't a great one given the discussion. Unbreakable?


Fucks sake, I just wrote a really long response to this and the fucking page timed out.....

The long and short of it was, yes, I think the threat to Stark when the switch was made from Trevor Mandarin to Killian Mandarin feels considerably diminished to me, cos we are firmly back in familiar territory as Killian as a bad guy is so similar to the villains in both previous IM movies. Trevor Mandarin however, was something very very different. I wanted something different, not a thematic re-tread of previous bad guys. Iron Man and Iron Man 2 both featured villains with a corporate suit with ties to Tony both personally and professionally. I was hoping the use of Extremis Soldiers and Extremis Killian Mandarin would at least present a finale that felt like something different to the previous two movies, but really it doesn't. Replace Orange Killian with guy in a suit and replace the Extremis Soldiers with robotic drones and you're not a million miles away from the IM2 finale. Nothing feels different at all. Trevor Mandarin was an opportunity to do something different and as such the twist makes it feel like a wasted opportunity. Yes, it's subjective and it's my opinion and I don't claim it to be 'right', but I think it's a valid criticism of IM3's story.

I don't think the 'A good comic book hero is only as good as his villain' is a subjective point, and I'd be amazed if anyone would argue that a really good comic book movie good be such with a boring, lazy, poor villain. A hero in these kinda movies needs a good villain. There needs to be a threat that feels valid and challenging to the hero, otherwise, what's the point?

As for the Unbreakable point, I'm not sure what you're getting at? That Mr Glass isn't a threat? He isn't a good threat, or not posing a threat from himself directly? Mr Glass is I guess a good comparison to Trevor Mandarin because he isn't so much being a physical threat but a terrorising and menacing presence manipulating events and causing terrible destruction through his actions and his single minded ideas, much like Trev. When Mr Glass is revealed as the bad guy, that to me felt like a pretty natural reveal and twist, and it didn't rob the movie's previous scenes of any impact, which is something I think IM3's twist does.

In IM3 the threat to Stark from Trevor Mandarin feels amped up, because it seems clear that Mandarin isn't interested in power or money, he is an idealistic terrorist attacking innocent people and taking steps towards the assassination of the President via his 'lessons', that to me was interesting because it was very different to anything we had so far and the way Mandarin was being played was really great, it felt intimidating and unsettling and realistic. In my opinion it also helped to answer the question 'Why don't the Avengers step in?', cos as Rhodes puts it, it's government business not superhero business. Everything being presented there felt threatening and it was interesting. It isn't a physical threat, but one where you feel that Mandarin has so much reach and power (through his connection to Killian and Extremis) that you begin to expect that he can put the serious damage on Tony and that he has the smarts and disconnection to really do nasty, nasty things. And he does and its great and Tony's mansion goes boom and things feel like they're going to get really bad before they can get any better. There is a threat. When that threat is revealed to be Killian and Trevor Mandarin is removed from the movie, I feel the intriguing and interesting villain is removed and were left with what we've had before, and there's no feel of danger anymore. Eugh. I hated it.



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RE: Movies that jump the shark..( Spoilers for Iron Man... - 30/4/2013 4:10:26 PM   
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Surely the thread title should be "Movies that jump the Stark." ...

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RE: Movies that jump the shark..( Spoilers for Iron Man... - 30/4/2013 7:20:56 PM   
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Other examples of movies jumping the shark would be Transformers when....no wait that was shit the minute Michael Bay was announced as director.

Seriously though, the first two Blade movies were awesome and Blade:Trinity actually started off ok but jumped the shark as soon as Jessica '' Cant act for shit '' Biel and Ryan '' Franchise killer '' Reynolds showed up.

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RE: Movies that jump the shark..( Spoilers for Iron Man... - 30/4/2013 10:45:22 PM   
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Blade:Trinity actually started off ok but jumped the shark as soon as Jessica '' Cant act for shit '' Biel and Ryan '' Franchise killer '' Reynolds showed up.


That's not jumping the shark.

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RE: Movies that jump the shark..( Spoilers for Iron Man... - 30/4/2013 11:02:08 PM   
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RE: Movies that jump the shark..( Spoilers for Iron Man... - 30/4/2013 11:18:13 PM   
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RE: Movies that jump the shark..( Spoilers for Iron Man... - 1/5/2013 12:16:19 AM   
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Surely the thread title should be "Movies that jump the Stark." ...



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RE: Movies that jump the shark..( Spoilers for Iron Man... - 1/5/2013 4:17:27 PM   
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Spoilers for Iron Man Three again-

As someone who doesn't give a shit about the comics, I enjoyed that part of the film. It made me chuckle. Also, I don't think it made a mockery of the character either. If anything it explained why this Mandarin wasn't Asian, this is not the Mandarin of the comics......


To repeat what I said on another thread, I don't think it's jumping the shark, I think it's genuinely clever deconstruction without ever saying its doing that in your face. The Mandarin himself starting as a rather horrible Yellow Peril stereotype, the one in the film presented was one built on the War on Terror iconography from the calligraphy to the swords to the Middle Eastern/specifically Afghan locations. Telling us that he was only that because those show stuff the West or specifically the Americans picture a terrorist to be is immensely clever.

I'm sorry, I can be a Shane Black fanboy.

It also gave more reference to Killian who was basically Stark's demons, both for what he was and how he was presented, and Guy Pearce was a blast in that.

EDIT: Also, what is the calligraphy on the Ten Rings logo? I thought it was Arabic or Urdu at first but now I'm realizing it could be something quite different or made up for the movie.



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RE: Movies that jump the shark..( Spoilers for Iron Man... - 6/5/2013 9:45:44 PM   
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I must say, I'm another one who has never laid a hand on an Iron Man comic, but was very, very disappointed by that twist. I was just a Ben Kingsley fan looking forward to a very sinister villain and those trailers really got me pumped, not to mention I love a good superhero flick. But I've never been so disappointed at the cinema in my life, and I saw Spidey 3 and Indy 4 on the big screen. Neither film was nearly as much of a letdown.

Anyway, despite this unavoidably turning into an Iron Man 3 thread, I'm struggling to think of any other "jump the shark" moments that have pissed me off as much. Maybe some of the deaths in X-Men 3. And I guess the classic example is probably when Jar Jar arrives on the scene in Phantom Menace.

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RE: Movies that jump the shark..( Spoilers for Iron Man... - 6/5/2013 10:53:32 PM   
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And I guess the classic example is probably when Jar Jar arrives on the scene in Phantom Menace.




Surely the jump the shark moment was when they mentioned taxes and trade routes in the opening paragraph of the opening crawl.

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RE: Movies that jump the shark..( Spoilers for Iron Man... - 6/5/2013 11:06:34 PM   
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I'm going to be the dude who will possibly defend a shitty thing which I myself had problems at first.

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Spoilers for Iron Man Three again-

As someone who doesn't give a shit about the comics, I enjoyed that part of the film. It made me chuckle. Also, I don't think it made a mockery of the character either. If anything it explained why this Mandarin wasn't Asian, this is not the Mandarin of the comics......


To repeat what I said on another thread, I don't think it's jumping the shark, I think it's genuinely clever deconstruction without ever saying its doing that in your face. The Mandarin himself starting as a rather horrible Yellow Peril stereotype, the one in the film presented was one built on the War on Terror iconography from the calligraphy to the swords to the Middle Eastern/specifically Afghan locations. Telling us that he was only that because those show stuff the West or specifically the Americans picture a terrorist to be is immensely clever.

I'm sorry, I can be a Shane Black fanboy.


Yeah, I'm a Shane Black fan too. And, yes, I don't think it is jumping the shark either.

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RE: Movies that jump the shark..( Spoilers for Iron Man... - 7/5/2013 12:36:02 AM   
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And I guess the classic example is probably when Jar Jar arrives on the scene in Phantom Menace.




Surely the jump the shark moment was when they mentioned taxes and trade routes in the opening paragraph of the opening crawl.

Ah, yes. The first inkling that something was terribly, terribly wrong.

Also, might the opening for Alien 3 count as a "jump the shark" moment? Fairly early in the movie, sure, but for the franchise anyway. Hugely unexpected...and utterly unforgivable.

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RE: Movies that jump the shark..( Spoilers for Iron Man... - 7/5/2013 10:14:19 AM   
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No, that was brilliant, shut up.

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