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Lethal Weapon 5 - 26/4/2013 3:33:54 PM   
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isnt a thread for this in here is there?

anyway was reading the new Shane Black IM3 interview:
quote:

Lethal Weapon 5 was on your radar as a directorial project at one point, wasn't it?
Black: Yeah it was. There were two films - Lethal Weapon 5, which was actively going at one point and The Cold Warrior, both of which were to star Mel Gibson. I guess it was not too long ago that I was writing The Cold Warrior, I was meeting with Mel every afternoon and he was dating this girl named Oksana and then all of a sudden things blew up. That went south, so two movies that potentially were available didn't happen.

Feige: Did you write a draft of Lethal Weapon 5?

Black: I wrote a 70-page treatment with every single beat and dialogue. It was in New York in the worst blizzard in living history. Mel Gibson would have to go to a kibbutz for three years to be allowed back into Hollywood. Robert did a bunch of drugs and slept with dubious people, he didn't insult racial groups. You don't come back from that.

Feige: It hadn't occurred to me until you mentioned Lethal Weapon 5, but there is a fun Riggs/Murtaugh Tony/Rhodey element to this.


dosnt seem likely from that but i still wonder if theres any chance of LW5 still happening with Mel Gibson in the next few years? I like the idea of LW in a blizzard ravaged NYC.. Danny Glover wouldnt have to be in it if he didnt want to (maybe a cameo but nothing more) - for a change Riggs could be like McClane in DH1/2 going it alone, or maybe pair up with someone else if need be. S Black could direct.

it dosnt seem right there are now 5 Die Hards but only 4 LWs!

i hope they choose to do LW5 instead of the rumoured reboot

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RE: Lethal Weapon 5 - 26/4/2013 3:39:47 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: jackcarter

isnt a thread for this iin here is there?

anyway was reading the new Shane Black IM3 interview:
quote:

Lethal Weapon 5 was on your radar as a directorial project at one point, wasn't it?
Black: Yeah it was. There were two films - Lethal Weapon 5, which was actively going at one point and The Cold Warrior, both of which were to star Mel Gibson. I guess it was not too long ago that I was writing The Cold Warrior, I was meeting with Mel every afternoon and he was dating this girl named Oksana and then all of a sudden things blew up. That went south, so two movies that potentially were available didn't happen.

Feige: Did you write a draft of Lethal Weapon 5?

Black: I wrote a 70-page treatment with every single beat and dialogue. It was in New York in the worst blizzard in living history. Mel Gibson would have to go to a kibbutz for three years to be allowed back into Hollywood. Robert did a bunch of drugs and slept with dubious people, he didn't insult racial groups. You don't come back from that.

Feige: It hadn't occurred to me until you mentioned Lethal Weapon 5, but there is a fun Riggs/Murtaugh Tony/Rhodey element to this.


dosnt seem likely from that but i still wonder if theresany chance of LW5 still happening with Mel Gibson in the next few years? I like the idea of LW in a blizzard ravaged NYC. S Black could direct. Danny Glover wouldnt have to be in it if he didnt want to (maybe a cameo but nothing more) - for a change Riggs could be like McClane in DH1/2 going it alone, or maybe pair up with someone else if need be. S Black could direct.

it dosnt seem right there are now 5 Die Hards but only 4 LWs!

i hope they choose to do LW5 instead of the rumoured reboot

Three Die Hards would have been enough, 4 is average and I only liked 5 because I was in denial; it really is very bad.

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RE: Lethal Weapon 5 - 27/4/2013 11:08:21 PM   
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of course but now theres 5 (soon to be 6 no doubt) LW should catch up

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RE: Lethal Weapon 5 - 28/4/2013 12:59:39 PM   
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Black should be above this.

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RE: Lethal Weapon 5 - 28/4/2013 4:02:03 PM   
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Lethal Weapon was never in the same league as Die Hard.

4 LW is probably 3 too many.

I like DH 1-4. That last one is so OTT and full of mistakes that I'm doing an Alien 3 with it and pretending it doesn't exist.

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RE: Lethal Weapon 5 - 28/4/2013 4:56:57 PM   
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They should just leave it alone now.

Same with Ghostbusters.

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RE: Lethal Weapon 5 - 2/5/2013 11:47:03 AM   
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Lethal Weapon was never in the same league as Die Hard.4 LW is probably 3 too many.

I like DH 1-4. That last one is so OTT and full of mistakes that I'm doing an Alien 3 with it and pretending it doesn't exist.

The first one was, well maybe not quite as good, but still for its genre a stand out film.

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RE: Lethal Weapon 5 - 2/5/2013 12:03:46 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Private Hudson

Lethal Weapon was never in the same league as Die Hard.4 LW is probably 3 too many.

I like DH 1-4. That last one is so OTT and full of mistakes that I'm doing an Alien 3 with it and pretending it doesn't exist.

The first one was, well maybe not quite as good, but still for its genre a stand out film.

No. It wasn't.

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RE: Lethal Weapon 5 - 2/5/2013 12:06:02 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ElephantBoy


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Lethal Weapon was never in the same league as Die Hard.4 LW is probably 3 too many.

I like DH 1-4. That last one is so OTT and full of mistakes that I'm doing an Alien 3 with it and pretending it doesn't exist.

The first one was, well maybe not quite as good, but still for its genre a stand out film.

No. It wasn't.

Yeah cos thats a great way to back up your argument. Either explain or don't comment.

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RE: Lethal Weapon 5 - 2/5/2013 12:06:37 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ElephantBoy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Private Hudson

Lethal Weapon was never in the same league as Die Hard.4 LW is probably 3 too many.

I like DH 1-4. That last one is so OTT and full of mistakes that I'm doing an Alien 3 with it and pretending it doesn't exist.

The first one was, well maybe not quite as good, but still for its genre a stand out film.


Agreed!

The first one is an exceptional action film! Maybe not quite up with Die Hard but what is. Lethal Weapon probably came closer than anything else… and while we’re talking LW, they need to bring back heavy use of the saxophone in motion picture scores!

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RE: Lethal Weapon 5 - 2/5/2013 12:12:48 PM   
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I just think the pacing of the script and atmosphere of the frist film is what makes it stand out. Its odd to think too that it can be called a christmas movie and yet you don't think of it as such.

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RE: Lethal Weapon 5 - 2/5/2013 12:39:37 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ElephantBoy


quote:

ORIGINAL: musht


quote:

ORIGINAL: ElephantBoy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Private Hudson

Lethal Weapon was never in the same league as Die Hard.4 LW is probably 3 too many.

I like DH 1-4. That last one is so OTT and full of mistakes that I'm doing an Alien 3 with it and pretending it doesn't exist.

The first one was, well maybe not quite as good, but still for its genre a stand out film.

No. It wasn't.

Yeah cos thats a great way to back up your argument. Either explain or don't comment.

Because you really went out of your way to explain why you do think LW is the Liverpool to DH's United

Seriously though this isn't a huge issue for me and it wasn't my intention to start a DH v LW argument, I like LW but I don't really think it's comparable to DH as I kind of see them as different genres. For me LW is far more of a buddy cop movie rather than an all out action movie, their are serious issues but it's quite light hearted and comedic at times (not necessarily a criticism) whereas DH is more serious and also more suspenseful (is DH even an all out action movie?). I still think DH is much better though as I think the overall story and characters are better.

One thing that really annoys me about LW is the fight between Riggs and Busey at the end and all the cops just decide to stand around and watch; I know cop movies take certain liberties when it comes to depicting what's legal, etc but it was just really poor writing. It just seemed like Black couldn't think of a way for that fight to happen so he just shoehorned it in.

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RE: Lethal Weapon 5 - 2/5/2013 12:41:59 PM   
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quote:

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I just think the pacing of the script and atmosphere of the frist film is what makes it stand out. Its odd to think too that it can be called a christmas movie and yet you don't think of it as such.

I do agree with this ... except for that minor issue I outlined above but apart from that I really like LW

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RE: Lethal Weapon 5 - 2/5/2013 12:50:15 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: musht


quote:

ORIGINAL: jackcarter

isnt a thread for this iin here is there?

anyway was reading the new Shane Black IM3 interview:
quote:

Lethal Weapon 5 was on your radar as a directorial project at one point, wasn't it?
Black: Yeah it was. There were two films - Lethal Weapon 5, which was actively going at one point and The Cold Warrior, both of which were to star Mel Gibson. I guess it was not too long ago that I was writing The Cold Warrior, I was meeting with Mel every afternoon and he was dating this girl named Oksana and then all of a sudden things blew up. That went south, so two movies that potentially were available didn't happen.

Feige: Did you write a draft of Lethal Weapon 5?

Black: I wrote a 70-page treatment with every single beat and dialogue. It was in New York in the worst blizzard in living history. Mel Gibson would have to go to a kibbutz for three years to be allowed back into Hollywood. Robert did a bunch of drugs and slept with dubious people, he didn't insult racial groups. You don't come back from that.

Feige: It hadn't occurred to me until you mentioned Lethal Weapon 5, but there is a fun Riggs/Murtaugh Tony/Rhodey element to this.


dosnt seem likely from that but i still wonder if theresany chance of LW5 still happening with Mel Gibson in the next few years? I like the idea of LW in a blizzard ravaged NYC. S Black could direct. Danny Glover wouldnt have to be in it if he didnt want to (maybe a cameo but nothing more) - for a change Riggs could be like McClane in DH1/2 going it alone, or maybe pair up with someone else if need be. S Black could direct.

it dosnt seem right there are now 5 Die Hards but only 4 LWs!

i hope they choose to do LW5 instead of the rumoured reboot

Three Die Hards would have been enough, 4 is average and I only liked 5 because I was in denial; it really is very bad.


one Die Hard was enough, a classic and all the sequels have been utter shit. I enjoyed Gibson in the recent How I spent my Summer, but would prefer a reboot than to see him dragged out as riggs again.

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RE: Lethal Weapon 5 - 2/5/2013 1:14:50 PM   
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Because you really went out of your way to explain why you do think LW is the Liverpool to DH's United
Seriously though this isn't a huge issue for me and it wasn't my intention to start a DH v LW argument, I like LW but I don't really think it's comparable to DH as I kind of see them as different genres. For me LW is far more of a buddy cop movie rather than an all out action movie, their are serious issues but it's quite light hearted and comedic at times (not necessarily a criticism) whereas DH is more serious and also more suspenseful (is DH even an all out action movie?). I still think DH is much better though as I think the overall story and characters are better.


LW has always been tied to DH in a few ways -

similar years (trilogy - 87/88, 89/90, 92/95, belated 4th entry - 97/07), Riggs/McClanes B92F, Joel Silver, Michael Karmen, the buddy aspect of DH3 and the rumours it originally started out as a LW script, McClanes cameo in Loaded Weapon 1, the LW2 advert in DH2 (which annoyingly means they arent set in the same universe - DH is 'reality', LW is fiction....although itd be cool to see a LW/DH team up in comic form)

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RE: Lethal Weapon 5 - 2/5/2013 4:22:27 PM   
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one Die Hard was enough, a classic and all the sequels have been utter shit. I enjoyed Gibson in the recent How I spent my Summer, but would prefer a reboot than to see him dragged out as riggs again.


Me too.. although that title over here was sh!te! In America it was called Get the Gringo!  Aces

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RE: Lethal Weapon 5 - 2/5/2013 4:34:52 PM   
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Lethal Weapon 3 and 4 are definitely not as good as the first two, but I think all four of them are great fun. Lethal Weapon 2 is my favourite of them.

It's a shame that Mel's pretty much burned all of his bridges now... he was given plenty of chances and screwed up every one of them. I don't see a Lethal Weapon 5 working. Danny Glover is essential to a Lethal Weapon movie, and there's no way Murtaugh's still not retired.

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RE: Lethal Weapon 5 - 2/5/2013 5:05:04 PM   
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Lethal Weapon 3 and 4 are definitely not as good as the first two, but I think all four of them are great fun. Lethal Weapon 2 is my favourite of them.

It's a shame that Mel's pretty much burned all of his bridges now... he was given plenty of chances and screwed up every one of them. I don't see a Lethal Weapon 5 working. Danny Glover is essential to a Lethal Weapon movie, and there's no way Murtaugh's still not retired.

Riggs and Chris Rock's character

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RE: Lethal Weapon 5 - 3/5/2013 4:04:06 PM   
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Have nothing against Die Hard I think the first one is pretty much a master class in action film making. However I also found Lethal Weapon very enjoyable, with a sharp and edgy script and good characters.

I have no interest in a fifth part.

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RE: Lethal Weapon 5 - 6/5/2013 11:03:33 PM   
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Lethal Weapon 3 and 4 are definitely not as good as the first two, but I think all four of them are great fun. Lethal Weapon 2 is my favourite of them.

It's a shame that Mel's pretty much burned all of his bridges now... he was given plenty of chances and screwed up every one of them. I don't see a Lethal Weapon 5 working. Danny Glover is essential to a Lethal Weapon movie, and there's no way Murtaugh's still not retired.


Totally agree that LW2 is the best of them.

But did a previous poster suggest that Murtaugh should only have a cameo?

Seriously, it's a double act, people!

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RE: Lethal Weapon 5 - 7/5/2013 9:34:41 AM   
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yeah but Die Hard was supposed to be a one man thing yet 3/4/5 he teamed up LW style

a Riggs/Gibson only LW would do the reverse of DH and at least be abit different in focusing on the 'lethal weapon'

but they'll probably end up doing a reboot with Riggs having done his time in Iraq instead of Nam like The A Team (and like that probably showing him there for the opening 20 mins in a Martin Riggs Begins superhero origin type way)

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RE: Lethal Weapon 5 - 8/5/2013 12:58:35 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Private Hudson

Lethal Weapon was never in the same league as Die Hard.4 LW is probably 3 too many.

I like DH 1-4. That last one is so OTT and full of mistakes that I'm doing an Alien 3 with it and pretending it doesn't exist.

The first one was, well maybe not quite as good, but still for its genre a stand out film.


I'll give you that the first one was a superior cop/action movie. Still not as good as the original Die Hard, but it was probably Mel Gibson's best ever film...

Nah. Mad Max 2: The Road Warrior still takes that for me.

But again, only my opinion.


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RE: Lethal Weapon 5 - 8/5/2013 12:59:51 AM   
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Lethal Weapon 3 and 4 are definitely not as good as the first two, but I think all four of them are great fun. Lethal Weapon 2 is my favourite of them.

It's a shame that Mel's pretty much burned all of his bridges now... he was given plenty of chances and screwed up every one of them. I don't see a Lethal Weapon 5 working. Danny Glover is essential to a Lethal Weapon movie, and there's no way Murtaugh's still not retired.


Totally agree that LW2 is the best of them.

But did a previous poster suggest that Murtaugh should only have a cameo?

Seriously, it's a double act, people!


Anything to do with Patsy Kensit? LOL.

I always laugh at the end of that film. "Deeplomartic Eemuneety"


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RE: Lethal Weapon 5 - 9/5/2013 10:33:58 AM   
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Lethal Weapon 3 and 4 are definitely not as good as the first two, but I think all four of them are great fun. Lethal Weapon 2 is my favourite of them.

It's a shame that Mel's pretty much burned all of his bridges now... he was given plenty of chances and screwed up every one of them. I don't see a Lethal Weapon 5 working. Danny Glover is essential to a Lethal Weapon movie, and there's no way Murtaugh's still not retired.


Totally agree that LW2 is the best of them.

But did a previous poster suggest that Murtaugh should only have a cameo?

Seriously, it's a double act, people!


Anything to do with Patsy Kensit? LOL.

I always laugh at the end of that film. "Deeplomartic Eemuneety"



That is part of it, yes.
I also think the action is better, and includes the introduction of Leo Getz before he just became irritating, and before the cast became too large (Rene Russo and Chris Rock were too much in my opinion).

That said, I actually think Jet Li's performance in Lethal Weapon 4 is a highlight of the series, despite the film falling well short of the first two.

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RE: Lethal Weapon 5 - 9/5/2013 11:16:12 AM   
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Am I alone in thinking that the climactic fight at the end of LW4 is actually a highlight of the series? The uncut version, of course. And I do prefer 4 to 3.

But as others have said I think LW5 is rather unlikely now considering Mel's baggage. There's always a chance of a reboot but the buddy/buddy formula no longer seems fresh enough to be exciting.



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RE: Lethal Weapon 5 - 9/5/2013 11:19:27 AM   
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Am I alone in thinking that the climactic fight at the end of LW4 is actually a highlight of the series? The uncut version, of course. And I do prefer 4 to 3.

But as others have said I think LW5 is rather unlikely now considering Mel's baggage. There's always a chance of a reboot but the buddy/buddy formula no longer seems fresh enough to be exciting.




You're not alone in that. And I think 4 is better than 3, too. Except for the last 15 minutes.
The look on Mel's face when he realises Leo's found a rabbi to officiate the emergency wedding ceremony is just unfortunate nowadays, but it's also just far too long of a sequence after the actual conflict is over.

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RE: Lethal Weapon 5 - 9/5/2013 11:28:39 AM   
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Danny Glover is essential to a Lethal Weapon movie, and there's no way Murtaugh's still not retired.



Funnily enough Glover was always playing Murtaugh nearly 10 years older than his own age, so whilst it might seem a little silly in the films (Murtaugh would be well in his seventies by now) Glover isn't that old just yet, no older than Stallone & Arnie at least.

Mind you there's nothing to say a fifth film would have to track alongside the years since 4 in real-time.

I like all the LW films, the first is still the best in my opinion with the other three changing preference depending what mood I'm in, bizarrely the second one is probably the one I enjoy least overall, despite the fact it's a lot of people's favourite.

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RE: Lethal Weapon 5 - 9/5/2013 11:46:08 AM   
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Am I alone in thinking that the climactic fight at the end of LW4 is actually a highlight of the series? The uncut version, of course. And I do prefer 4 to 3.

But as others have said I think LW5 is rather unlikely now considering Mel's baggage. There's always a chance of a reboot but the buddy/buddy formula no longer seems fresh enough to be exciting.




You're not alone in that. And I think 4 is better than 3, too. Except for the last 15 minutes.
The look on Mel's face when he realises Leo's found a rabbi to officiate the emergency wedding ceremony is just unfortunate nowadays, but it's also just far too long of a sequence after the actual conflict is over.


Oh yeah, that ending in the hospital is a pile of steaming, cheesy pants; so best to leave them there. Although I did like Leo's speech about his pet frog, bizarrely, probably because it was so left-field. I'd forgotten about the rabbi. I remember Leo saying earlier to Chris Rock: "hey, German jews didn't have it easy, either, ya know!" Mel's face is in frame, and now I'm wondering what was going through his head at that moment.

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RE: Lethal Weapon 5 - 9/5/2013 2:39:52 PM   
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Why does this thread exist? There is not going to be a Lethal Weapon 5.



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