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RE: Ah Well... - 29/4/2013 4:25:05 PM   
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I didn't get that, either, but it would make that scene make more sense.

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RE: Ah Well... - 29/4/2013 4:30:42 PM   
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I didn't get that, either, but it would make that scene make more sense.

It would definitely explain how he fixed the gaping hole in his chest once the arc reactor was removed

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RE: IRON MAN 3 - 29/4/2013 5:30:01 PM   
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And, title change.

Again.

Really, it's a surprise you'd rather not have spoiled.


That's a totally fair comment- my apologies.

I hadn't realised when I replied to the other post it also contained the heading!

Anyway, fixed.

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RE: IRON MAN 3 - 29/4/2013 5:58:56 PM   
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Caught iM3 again at the weekend. A second watch did nothing to remedy the issues I have with it, and if anything it made them more apparent. Such a frustrating movie!

SPOILERS!!

If Trevor Mandarin is for real and was genuinely unaware of what was really happening behind the scenes, how does the scene where he executes the Oil Company Dude actually work? Trevor Mandarin does say that it was all an illusion and they use green screen and effects etc, but Killian Mandarin and his gang do have control of the guys Oil Rig, so it suggests they really did take over and this guy was taken. The President and the viewing public all see they 'killing' of the Oil Company Dude, so is the movie suggesting that Trevor killing him is an effect, so what happened to the real Oil Company Dude? It's such a tiny insignificant issue, but knowing the twist really made that scene jump out as being odd. Am still really pissed they robbed us the opportunity of seeing Kingsley as the Mandarin going toe to toe with Tony. I'm not talking in the sense of a great big dust up, but certainly a bit of verbal sparring with Tony and that cold, calculating terrorist version of Mandarin. They really shot themselves in the foot by having the really great villain (and again, I don't mean in terms of an interpretation of classic comic book Mandarin) for the first part of the movie, and then replacing him with another twisted corporate suit, albeit one that breathed fire and had dragon tats. Frustrating as fuck.

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RE: Disappointing. - 29/4/2013 6:12:20 PM   
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I'm presuming Fox own the rights to adamantium as well which means it's a no-go for Marvel.


Don't think that's the case, as Cap's shield is made from adamantium too. It's considered to be a very rare metal alloy in the Marvel Universe tho, so it's probably more to do with that.

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RE: Disappointing. - 29/4/2013 6:31:38 PM   
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Isn't Cap's shield made of Vibranium?

Anyway, enjoyed that a lot. Downey Jr was a great as ever and Kingsley was great in a totally unexpected way. Some great action (the "Barrel of Monkeys" sequence, the home attack) and some very funny stuff ( "Trevor")

It doesn't quite reach the heights of The Avengers but it's a big improbemt on Iron Man 2 and is probably the best of the three

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RE: IRON MAN 3 - 29/4/2013 6:47:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: porntrooper

Caught iM3 again at the weekend. A second watch did nothing to remedy the issues I have with it, and if anything it made them more apparent. Such a frustrating movie!

SPOILERS!!

If Trevor Mandarin is for real and was genuinely unaware of what was really happening behind the scenes, how does the scene where he executes the Oil Company Dude actually work? Trevor Mandarin does say that it was all an illusion and they use green screen and effects etc, but Killian Mandarin and his gang do have control of the guys Oil Rig, so it suggests they really did take over and this guy was taken. The President and the viewing public all see they 'killing' of the Oil Company Dude, so is the movie suggesting that Trevor killing him is an effect, so what happened to the real Oil Company Dude? It's such a tiny insignificant issue, but knowing the twist really made that scene jump out as being odd. Am still really pissed they robbed us the opportunity of seeing Kingsley as the Mandarin going toe to toe with Tony. I'm not talking in the sense of a great big dust up, but certainly a bit of verbal sparring with Tony and that cold, calculating terrorist version of Mandarin. They really shot themselves in the foot by having the really great villain (and again, I don't mean in terms of an interpretation of classic comic book Mandarin) for the first part of the movie, and then replacing him with another twisted corporate suit, albeit one that breathed fire and had dragon tats. Frustrating as fuck.


I'm pretty sure when The Mandarin fires the gun in that video, it's a close-up of his face and they only hear a bang and assume that he killed him.

Also, I know people said that the magic rings wouldn't work, but they deliberately already dealt with that by calling the terrorist group in the original movie the Five Rings with the intention of introducing The Mandarin in the sequel as their boss. (And when Dr. Yinsen turned up in the 1999 flashback, I thought that were getting the development that was promised in 2008.)
Kind of like how the Lazarus Pits wouldn't have worked in Nolan's Batman universe, but that didn't mean that they couldn't use Ra's al Ghul as the movie's main villain. (Granted, the plot twist is very Batman Begins... the guy who is originally presented as the lead villain is just a decoy and the other guy who is based on a completely different character from the comics is the real version of that villain?).

And the other two elements from Batman movies they stole from, was Killian looking exactly like Edward Nigma at the beginning of Batman Forever, and having pretty much an identical motivation to dislike the hero, and Tony using something called a Clean Slate in order to retire his superhero identity and settle down with his girlfriend, a la The Dark Knight Rises.

That being said, I don't hate this film. I don't even dislike it really (though I do dislike elements of it, obviously). It's got great action, a great script and great performances. But I still found it more than a little disappointing and is by far the worst of Marvel's output so far... though not far behind the fish-out-of-water comedy that was Thor.

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RE: IRON MAN 3 - 29/4/2013 6:56:02 PM   
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quote:

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ORIGINAL: porntrooper

Caught iM3 again at the weekend. A second watch did nothing to remedy the issues I have with it, and if anything it made them more apparent. Such a frustrating movie!

SPOILERS!!

If Trevor Mandarin is for real and was genuinely unaware of what was really happening behind the scenes, how does the scene where he executes the Oil Company Dude actually work? Trevor Mandarin does say that it was all an illusion and they use green screen and effects etc, but Killian Mandarin and his gang do have control of the guys Oil Rig, so it suggests they really did take over and this guy was taken. The President and the viewing public all see they 'killing' of the Oil Company Dude, so is the movie suggesting that Trevor killing him is an effect, so what happened to the real Oil Company Dude? It's such a tiny insignificant issue, but knowing the twist really made that scene jump out as being odd. Am still really pissed they robbed us the opportunity of seeing Kingsley as the Mandarin going toe to toe with Tony. I'm not talking in the sense of a great big dust up, but certainly a bit of verbal sparring with Tony and that cold, calculating terrorist version of Mandarin. They really shot themselves in the foot by having the really great villain (and again, I don't mean in terms of an interpretation of classic comic book Mandarin) for the first part of the movie, and then replacing him with another twisted corporate suit, albeit one that breathed fire and had dragon tats. Frustrating as fuck.


I'm pretty sure when The Mandarin fires the gun in that video, it's a close-up of his face and they only hear a bang and assume that he killed him.


Obviously we, as the viewer, don't see it as we're in 12A territory. However, it is strongly implied in the film that the guy is killed on screen, so those watching are actually seeing him die. Nothing concrete of course, but it certainly is implied. Also, with Trevor saying he believed it was all a game and not real, it makes that scene feel very, very odd. How could he assume it was a game and an act, if he is being asked to fake murder on screen. The twist also means the whole first part of the movie hold no weight on a second viewing. I just cannot believe they wasted such a promising villain in such a way, especially when the second half villain is nowhere near as interesting or intimidating. Such a waste.

There was still a lot to like, and I do still like it as an overall piece of entertainment, but it really does, to me, feel like a missed opportunity.

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RE: IRON MAN 3 - 29/4/2013 6:59:05 PM   
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Elaborated on my thoughts with by editing the post above.
And I'm still pretty sure that what we saw is what the President and co. saw, because I'm sure we saw the screen when he pulled the trigger. Could be wrong, though.

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RE: IRON MAN 3 - 29/4/2013 7:08:04 PM   
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I don't have a problem with the change up of mandarin's appearance, culture, powers, rings etc. I'm no comic book nut and have never picked up an Iron Man comic in my life. Do I think magic rings could've been used? Of course. We're in a movie universe of cosmic cubes, space aliens and the like. There's no reason the Kingsley Mandarin couldn't have been revealed as some terrorist in control of some alien technology or whatever. So yea, that could work, and honestly, I would've preferred that to what we got in Trevor/Killian Mandarin and the glowing Extremis soldiers and the boring 'lets use our power to get rich by cornering an anti-terrorism market' plot. But, I cant criticise something for not giving me something, and can only judge what is put in front of me, and what is there just didn't really work, and again the major part in it's downfall is the awful twist.

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RE: IRON MAN 3 - 29/4/2013 7:20:14 PM   
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Elaborated on my thoughts with by editing the post above.
And I'm still pretty sure that what we saw is what the President and co. saw, because I'm sure we saw the screen when he pulled the trigger. Could be wrong, though.

RE the Clean Slate; I actually didn't see that as Tony Stark retiring. If things don't work out I think it's a very clever way of having RDJ retire the role however I didn't think it was the end of Iron Man and not just because we know it's not the end of Iron Man. I guess more me this movie was the end of Phase 1 rather than the beginning of Phase 2 and in that way Iron Man is now entering his own Phase 2 where he's starting again from the ground up ... more of a reboot (in the tech sense not the movie sense) than a clean slate

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Disappointing but still entertaining - 29/4/2013 7:29:12 PM   
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Having mulled over this film for a while now, i think its problems really outweigh the films strengths.

The Mandain plot twist smacks of Marvel trying to do a comedic take on Batman Begins Ras al Ghul/Ducard twist and it just comes off as ridiculous and a real jump the shark moment in the film.Even ignoring the fact that its an awful interpretation of the character from the comic, it just takes the film into parody ( which it already was veering into before that point ).Kingsley was doing so well in his '' performance '' as The Mandarin during the first half of the film, that the twist just ruined it and turned him into an embarassing Captain Jack Sparrow clone.

The amount of Iron Man suits and the ease in which they are used is also a big problem for me.Its annoying that they felt that they didnt want RDJ in the suit hardly at all.It really takes away from what makes this hero unique.The films best setpiece ( the Air Force one rescue ) is almost ruined when you realise that Tony wasnt in the suit at all and was just remote controlling it.If hes not in the suit being Iron Man then hes not really in danger is he and makes him a bit of a coward.Can you imagine Bales Batman sending a remote Batsuit after the Joker?

Still a decent fun film thats better than Iron Man 2 but in fairness thats not hard isnt it? The original film is still the best.

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THRILLING STUFF!!! - 29/4/2013 8:31:48 PM   
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A thrilling third installment to the popular Marvel Franchise!!


So Robert Downey Jr returns to the Role of Tony Stark once more....This is stronger outing that part 2 with a much better balance of wit, action and humour and decent character development than before, we now have a more vunerable Tony now,..he now suffers panic attacks!! His anxiety does'nt stop there though,...we have 2 new villains in this one, hell bent on destroying the whole Stark Franchise.

Ben Kingsley does a great job as the character Manderin, another in the long line of maniac terrorists on the rampage with renegade mad scientist Guy Pierce thrown in for good measure,..the plot thinckens very well with these two, so I don't want to give away any spoilers, but the twist that comes later is somewhat dissapointing and veers the whole movie into daft parody. As the threat from our villains escalates, via ilegal tv broadcasts and interference of communications, Tony this time get's mean and personal.

There is some outstanding action set-pieces here, the attack on Starks high tech mansion a vicseral high point, the ariel one man plummet to save dozens of helpless United Nations execs,..to the high octane showdown between Pierce and Iron mans vast armada of different Ironman suits at the films climax.

Effects are decent throughout..., Starks main threat coming not only from Manderin and Pierce but an army of super soldiers with a habit of body part regeneration after inflincting damage. It's a nice touch although seen before many times before in Wolverine and T2's T1000.

The bond between Tony and Gwyneth Paltro's Pepper Potts get's allot more intense in this one as Tony has to use all his amoury might save her and his worldwide reputation. Throw in some funny kid sidekick gags and some cool Don Cheadle's Rhodes action and you have a pretty decent movie to have fun with.


ENJOY!!!


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RE: IRON MAN 3 - 29/4/2013 10:07:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: porntrooper

Caught iM3 again at the weekend. A second watch did nothing to remedy the issues I have with it, and if anything it made them more apparent. Such a frustrating movie!

SPOILERS!!

If Trevor Mandarin is for real and was genuinely unaware of what was really happening behind the scenes, how does the scene where he executes the Oil Company Dude actually work? Trevor Mandarin does say that it was all an illusion and they use green screen and effects etc, but Killian Mandarin and his gang do have control of the guys Oil Rig, so it suggests they really did take over and this guy was taken. The President and the viewing public all see they 'killing' of the Oil Company Dude, so is the movie suggesting that Trevor killing him is an effect, so what happened to the real Oil Company Dude? It's such a tiny insignificant issue, but knowing the twist really made that scene jump out as being odd. Am still really pissed they robbed us the opportunity of seeing Kingsley as the Mandarin going toe to toe with Tony. I'm not talking in the sense of a great big dust up, but certainly a bit of verbal sparring with Tony and that cold, calculating terrorist version of Mandarin. They really shot themselves in the foot by having the really great villain (and again, I don't mean in terms of an interpretation of classic comic book Mandarin) for the first part of the movie, and then replacing him with another twisted corporate suit, albeit one that breathed fire and had dragon tats. Frustrating as fuck.


I'm pretty sure when The Mandarin fires the gun in that video, it's a close-up of his face and they only hear a bang and assume that he killed him.


Obviously we, as the viewer, don't see it as we're in 12A territory. However, it is strongly implied in the film that the guy is killed on screen, so those watching are actually seeing him die. Nothing concrete of course, but it certainly is implied. Also, with Trevor saying he believed it was all a game and not real, it makes that scene feel very, very odd. How could he assume it was a game and an act, if he is being asked to fake murder on screen. The twist also means the whole first part of the movie hold no weight on a second viewing. I just cannot believe they wasted such a promising villain in such a way, especially when the second half villain is nowhere near as interesting or intimidating. Such a waste.

There was still a lot to like, and I do still like it as an overall piece of entertainment, but it really does, to me, feel like a missed opportunity.

I may be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure in the end credits sequence we see the oil company dude getting up from the ground, having not really been shot. Maybe he was then taken and killed by someone else. Unless I imagined it...

I have to say I'm having similar issues with the film over the Mandarin twist, seems like a real wasted opportunity...

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RE: Disappointing. - 29/4/2013 10:38:41 PM   
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*****SPOILERS***** What a disappointment. Ben Kingsly was criminally wasted and why he decided to channel Johnny Depp as Jack Sparrow is beyond me. As most of the MCU films have showed you can have a lot of quality humor in their films, but this was taking the p**s, an almost constant stream of very poor jokes, only a few actually funny. I found it hard to believe that this film was from the man who almost created the buddy cop dynamic. What happened to his suits?! they could take so much punishment in the other films................HE FOUGHT THOR!!!!!!
Even with this, there didn't seem to be any real threat to Tony and his "panic" attacks were totally unconvincing. I have been following the development of the MCU very closely as I have love the fact that all these characters I've loved for years have been coming to the big screen and IM3 had the cast, the director/writer to be amazing, perhaps I shouldn't have had such high expectations. I hope Thor & Cap 2 are a lot better.


Whilst metal can be very resistant against physical attacks (though, certainly exaggerated in Iron Man's case), one thing pretty much all of them (other than adamantium, which I'm pretty sure Stark wouldn't be able to manipulate to the point of creating a suit out of it, and would probably be too heavy to fly) are vulnerable to is heat. And the Extremis soldiers can generate heat of up to 3,000 degrees. I thought this was obvious, but there are so many people complaining about it that I thought I'd better bring it up...



I get that that metal is vulnerable to heat, but aren't Starks suits supposed to be made of titanium?? I'm no scientist but I'm sure that melts well above a thousand centigrade. Even if Killian could generate 3000c (I think that was their critical exploding temperature so unlikely he was walking around at that temp) it would take a little time and exposure to bring the suit to melting point and not be done instantaneously like Killian was managing to do. I mean you don't put your fish fingers in the oven and within 3 seconds they're defrosted??

I'm not disputing starks suits could be melted just not as fast as it was done in the end battle which made them look really throwaway and weak. As one guy said he did go toe to toe with a god last film!

Oh and I'm pretty sure Ultron managed to make an adamantium suit and still have flight capability.

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RE: Disappointing. - 30/4/2013 1:11:42 AM   
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Oh and I'm pretty sure Ultron managed to make an adamantium suit and still have flight capability.



I don't think adamantium is particularly heavy. Here's a list of a couple of things the alloy can be found in. If it worked for Stilt Man, it ought to work for Stark.

Ultron's outer shell
Wolverine's skeleton and claws
Bullseye's spinal column and some strips coating several of his bones
Certain iterations of Captain America's shield
(one particular set of) Doctor Octopus' arms
Lady Deathstrike's skeleton and talons
A unique suit of armor once used by the villain Stilt-Man
A special brand of bullet in the Iron Man suit's ballistic weapons
Bucky Barnes' Captain America suit is laced with adamantium

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RE: Ah Well... - 30/4/2013 11:31:18 AM   
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Whilst I usually love Superhero and SciFi films, I always like a bit of an explanation with it. DNA-altering substance to make people heat up to 3000 degrees? OK, cool. Those people walking through flames and explosions, with their clothes resisting the heat... that's just lazy writing. cover them with charcoal later, that would be good. Also - how much time between the destruction of the house, and Tony staring into the ocean at the end? 3 years? 4 years? at least that's how overgrown the place looks all of a sudden.
I was a bit underwhelmed. Tony Stark is allowed to announce renvenge and murder on public TV. The removal of the shrapnel seems quite easy all of a sudden. he built I don't know how many suits and a large basement within a year or something...

One thing I missed was - after so many hints at New York and the destruction of his base. I was looking forward to seeing Tony head to NYC to pick up a new suit and kick ass... but that didn't happen.

It was a fun film, but too many things going on that made no sense (even within this universe).


Its all there in the movie RE the shrapnel removal!. He figured out the formula and reversed the effects on Pepperpig! and used the same technology to allow his body to withstand the shrapnel removal!. ;)

I did not get that at all!! So did he inject himself with Extremis then?


I believe the idea we are given is that he took the same technology and made it better (hey hes Tony Stark) so yes, hes used the Extremis tech to sort his ticker out!.

i would like to go back to what someone mentioned earlier that is my biggest Ironman gripe!!! The arch reactor in his chest is supposed have the unlimited power to keep the shrapnel away and power the suits! this should be what makes Tony unique and basically pretty damn cool looking! he should be the only guy who can self power the Ironman suits surely! I dont even like the idea of War Machine for this reason, Its like Superman's powers coming from his cape and anyone who wears it becomes Superman! but hey ho!.
Now the suits are self powered by some power source that needs recharging!!!?? what the fuck!. Surely all the suit should have an arch reactor power source and not need recharging. Oh and these suits can recharge off a car battery apparently!. I try not to think about it too much and just enjoy it for what it is but the whole arch reactor being removed from his chest is bollocks!.

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RE: Ah Well... - 30/4/2013 1:43:07 PM   
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I feel sorry for this film now, because I'm going to detail another problem that I had with it, and the amount I have really makes it sound like I hated it, when I didn't at all.

Basically, it was the reason for not bringing in the Avengers... "this is American business, not superhero business". Really? Because we've established that some of The Avengers are actually S.H.I.E.L.D. agents, and if there's one thing that's guaranteed to have S.H.I.E.L.D. involvement it's a terrorist threat on US soil. They are an American intelligence agency, after all. Even if none of the actual Avengers were involved (though I'd say Hawkeye and Black Widow - who are not presented as superhero's in this franchise would likely be a part of the investigation), S.H.I.E.L.D. should have been all over this thing.

Also, why did they need to rebrand War Machine as the Iron Patriot when they already have Captain America, who was designed to provide the exact function that the Iron Patriot was supposed to?

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RE: Ah Well... - 30/4/2013 1:53:03 PM   
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I feel sorry for this film now, because I'm going to detail another problem that I had with it, and the amount I have really makes it sound like I hated it, when I didn't at all.

Basically, it was the reason for not bringing in the Avengers... "this is American business, not superhero business". Really? Because we've established that some of The Avengers are actually S.H.I.E.L.D. agents, and if there's one thing that's guaranteed to have S.H.I.E.L.D. involvement it's a terrorist threat on US soil. They are an American intelligence agency, after all. Even if none of the actual Avengers were involved (though I'd say Hawkeye and Black Widow - who are not presented as superhero's in this franchise would likely be a part of the investigation), S.H.I.E.L.D. should have been all over this thing.

Also, why did they need to rebrand War Machine as the Iron Patriot when they already have Captain America, who was designed to provide the exact function that the Iron Patriot was supposed to?


All the same reasons I could cry when I hear they are pulling Man of Steel into a JLA franchise! ....See DC universe thread :(

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RE: Ah Well... - 30/4/2013 3:45:13 PM   
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I feel sorry for this film now, because I'm going to detail another problem that I had with it, and the amount I have really makes it sound like I hated it, when I didn't at all.

Basically, it was the reason for not bringing in the Avengers... "this is American business, not superhero business". Really? Because we've established that some of The Avengers are actually S.H.I.E.L.D. agents, and if there's one thing that's guaranteed to have S.H.I.E.L.D. involvement it's a terrorist threat on US soil. They are an American intelligence agency, after all. Even if none of the actual Avengers were involved (though I'd say Hawkeye and Black Widow - who are not presented as superhero's in this franchise would likely be a part of the investigation), S.H.I.E.L.D. should have been all over this thing.

Also, why did they need to rebrand War Machine as the Iron Patriot when they already have Captain America, who was designed to provide the exact function that the Iron Patriot was supposed to?


For the reasons you state, I'm going to make a legitimate point which may sound a bit daft, but bear with me. Let's go back a few years: Iron Man had been an unexpected big hit, Incredible Hulk not so much. From memory, an Avengers film was announced before IM2, Thor and Cpt America? My point is that, since it was always known that an Avengers film was coming, Thor and Cpt America films were already somewhat redundant. So, now that the notion of SHIELD and The Avengers has been established in their own megahit film, my suggestion would be that there's no more standalone films, because when I was watching (and enjoying) IM3 last week, I was still thinking how much more fun it would've been with some more Avengers present - the "American business" explanation is utterly lame.

Even after three standalone films now, I still think that the best IM film is actually Avengers. Something like Guardians Of The Galaxy naturally needs its own separate introduction, but with the other character relationships already established, why not find a way to get more of the Avengers together on a regular basis? Although I thought that the first Cpt America film was pretty random, I have high hopes for The Winter Soldier - as it seems like its at least going to acknowledge the wider story with the involvement of Black Widow.

(Going forward, I think Marvel's biggest problem is going to be keeping the actors on board, or working around their schedules. While Robert Downey Jr is clearly thrilled at his $50m paycheque for Avengers, he hasn't exactly been quiet, or especially gracious, about it, has he? The other actors are going to be looking for similar deals in future themselves, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if Marvel at some point bite the bullet and either wipe the slate clean, or else recast younger / cheaper actors.)

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RE: Ah Well... - 30/4/2013 3:52:16 PM   
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I feel sorry for this film now, because I'm going to detail another problem that I had with it, and the amount I have really makes it sound like I hated it, when I didn't at all.

Basically, it was the reason for not bringing in the Avengers... "this is American business, not superhero business". Really? Because we've established that some of The Avengers are actually S.H.I.E.L.D. agents, and if there's one thing that's guaranteed to have S.H.I.E.L.D. involvement it's a terrorist threat on US soil. They are an American intelligence agency, after all. Even if none of the actual Avengers were involved (though I'd say Hawkeye and Black Widow - who are not presented as superhero's in this franchise would likely be a part of the investigation), S.H.I.E.L.D. should have been all over this thing.

Also, why did they need to rebrand War Machine as the Iron Patriot when they already have Captain America, who was designed to provide the exact function that the Iron Patriot was supposed to?


For the reasons you state, I'm going to make a legitimate point which may sound a bit daft, but bear with me. Let's go back a few years: Iron Man had been an unexpected big hit, Incredible Hulk not so much. From memory, an Avengers film was announced before IM2, Thor and Cpt America? My point is that, since it was always known that an Avengers film was coming, Thor and Cpt America films were already somewhat redundant. So, now that the notion of SHIELD and The Avengers has been established in their own megahit film, my suggestion would be that there's no more standalone films, because when I was watching (and enjoying) IM3 last week, I was still thinking how much more fun it would've been with some more Avengers present - the "American business" explanation is utterly lame.

Even after three standalone films now, I still think that the best IM film is actually Avengers. Something like Guardians Of The Galaxy naturally needs its own separate introduction, but with the other character relationships already established, why not find a way to get more of the Avengers together on a regular basis? Although I thought that the first Cpt America film was pretty random, I have high hopes for The Winter Soldier - as it seems like its at least going to acknowledge the wider story with the involvement of Black Widow.


I always felt like Thor and CA where banged out purely so they could make the Avengers! and the poorer for it! Ironman however was a great intro movie and Ironman peaked at Avengers, although IM3 was great fun! but like Avengers it can be seriously torn apart if you look at it too much!. I enjoyed Avengers but would still rather see everything kept in separate worlds. You start introducing some fucking space racoon into a movie with Ironman and I am checking out altogether!


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RE: Disappointing but still entertaining - 30/4/2013 4:09:34 PM   
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The amount of Iron Man suits and the ease in which they are used is also a big problem for me.Its annoying that they felt that they didnt want RDJ in the suit hardly at all.It really takes away from what makes this hero unique.The films best setpiece ( the Air Force one rescue ) is almost ruined when you realise that Tony wasnt in the suit at all and was just remote controlling it.If hes not in the suit being Iron Man then hes not really in danger is he and makes him a bit of a coward.Can you imagine Bales Batman sending a remote Batsuit after the Joker?


Not exactly a fair comparison.

But I think the remote control suit worked well, neatly showing a more vulnerable side to Stark as he's still suffering the effects of the NY battle so won't jump in the suit unless he absolutely has to, like in the dockyard fight.

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RE: Disappointing but still entertaining - 30/4/2013 4:52:42 PM   
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A GOOD WAY TO BOW OUT...... - 30/4/2013 6:02:16 PM   
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Marvel are taking more risks here. Iron Man 3 doesn't hit all the targets it aims for - but boy - it's not for lack of trying!!! RDJ doesn't let up for a second - by turns cool, smart, hip tech detective and other times - defenceless man child suffering from acute panic attacks. Visually, the film looks glorious with top notch SFX and oodles of detailed hardware that had me salivating. If this is Downey Junior's last hoorah - it'll be a hell of a send off. Let's hope that Marvel cough up the extra bucks to keep him for Avengers 2! FOUR STARS!!!

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RE: Disappointing but still entertaining - 30/4/2013 7:29:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze

The amount of Iron Man suits and the ease in which they are used is also a big problem for me.Its annoying that they felt that they didnt want RDJ in the suit hardly at all.It really takes away from what makes this hero unique.The films best setpiece ( the Air Force one rescue ) is almost ruined when you realise that Tony wasnt in the suit at all and was just remote controlling it.If hes not in the suit being Iron Man then hes not really in danger is he and makes him a bit of a coward.Can you imagine Bales Batman sending a remote Batsuit after the Joker?


Not exactly a fair comparison.

But I think the remote control suit worked well, neatly showing a more vulnerable side to Stark as he's still suffering the effects of the NY battle so won't jump in the suit unless he absolutely has to, like in the dockyard fight.


Yeah because we dont want him to look like a brave superhero or anything.

At this rate the climax of Avengers 2 will be Cap, Thor, and Hulk battling Thanos in New York while Stark hides under his bed at home.



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RE: Disappointing but still entertaining - 30/4/2013 8:17:03 PM   
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I thought it was far better than the first two. Had a decent amount of action for a start. Good script [even if I did notice some unfortunate borrowings from the Nolan Batman films] and Downey Jnr at his best. Great fun.
7.5/10

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RE: Disappointing but still entertaining - 30/4/2013 8:17:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze

The amount of Iron Man suits and the ease in which they are used is also a big problem for me.Its annoying that they felt that they didnt want RDJ in the suit hardly at all.It really takes away from what makes this hero unique.The films best setpiece ( the Air Force one rescue ) is almost ruined when you realise that Tony wasnt in the suit at all and was just remote controlling it.If hes not in the suit being Iron Man then hes not really in danger is he and makes him a bit of a coward.Can you imagine Bales Batman sending a remote Batsuit after the Joker?


Not exactly a fair comparison.

But I think the remote control suit worked well, neatly showing a more vulnerable side to Stark as he's still suffering the effects of the NY battle so won't jump in the suit unless he absolutely has to, like in the dockyard fight.


Yeah because we dont want him to look like a brave superhero or anything.

At this rate the climax of Avengers 2 will be Cap, Thor, and Hulk battling Thanos in New York while Stark hides under his bed at home.



So heroes aren't allowed experience vulnerability or weakness?

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a real treat - 30/4/2013 11:15:09 PM   
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A great third installmemt, the right mix of fun, action, humour which all felt driven by the characters and not the suits. I'll be watching this again.

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You sure Tim Vine didn't write this? - 1/5/2013 10:44:54 AM   
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(SPOILER ALERT)OK... First the good points. The first hour is very solid and did keep me engaged for the most part. RDJ, Pearce and Kingsley churn out decent performances... IF this wasn't a Marvel movie. However, all that good work is undone by poor scripting and a very weak plot. My first big frustration with this film? They had an excellent character to work with in the Mandarin, who is Iron Man's greatest foe in the comics, and they piss it away by making him a junkie actor and giving the screen time to a fire breathing Guy Pearce and a very useless army of hot people. Further disappointment arrived when the film just started churning out one liners like a Tim Vine gig, when there was just no need for them. The joys about the first two were, yes Stark is supposed to be quirky, that he didn't end every sentence with a crap one liner. Finally what they did with Iron Patriot ("oh the kids think it's cool" excuse for changing the name) and turning Pepper into a red version of She-Hulk are just in-excusable. It was like watching Kevin Feige and Shane Black sit in a cubicle while laughing maniacally and wiping there asses with Iron Man #1 just because you have spent £14 to watch this poor excuse of a Marvel film.

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RE: Disappointing but still entertaining - 1/5/2013 12:07:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cool Breeze

The amount of Iron Man suits and the ease in which they are used is also a big problem for me.Its annoying that they felt that they didnt want RDJ in the suit hardly at all.It really takes away from what makes this hero unique.The films best setpiece ( the Air Force one rescue ) is almost ruined when you realise that Tony wasnt in the suit at all and was just remote controlling it.If hes not in the suit being Iron Man then hes not really in danger is he and makes him a bit of a coward.Can you imagine Bales Batman sending a remote Batsuit after the Joker?


Not exactly a fair comparison.

But I think the remote control suit worked well, neatly showing a more vulnerable side to Stark as he's still suffering the effects of the NY battle so won't jump in the suit unless he absolutely has to, like in the dockyard fight.


Yeah because we dont want him to look like a brave superhero or anything.




It's just the point of the movie, but whatevs.

Tony doesn't need an arc then? Just make him get in the suit and do cool stuff.


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