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Olympus Has Fallen - 15/4/2013 6:45:36 PM   
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Surprised! - 15/4/2013 6:45:36 PM   
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There's kind of a good word-of-mouth about this one, and it's currently at 7.1/10 on imdb, so i was expecting a little more than a poor "A Good Day To Die Hard"-level 2 star rating...

But if the problem is US patriotism then it's fine for me, i'm not among the people who get sick when they see american flags in a movie.

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A solid action film - 15/4/2013 11:08:25 PM   
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It's cliché ridden but a fun ride. I was surprised at the amount of carnage there was and it was very violent even if it was CGI. It was a silly plot but to take it seriously would be missing the point. If anything, it was a reminder of what action films use to be like (Which for me, is no bad thing)

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Great fun! - 16/4/2013 1:07:31 PM   
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Two stars is a bit harsh! I caught a preview screening over the weekend and was pleasantly surprised. Certainly better than the last two Die Hard films, Taken 2 and other action releases in recent memory. Sure there is some cheesy flag-waving patriotism, but look past that and it's an enjoyable ride from start to finish. The action isn't watered down either, which is appreciated in these 12A days.

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RE: Great fun! - 16/4/2013 4:24:02 PM   
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Im off to see this tomorrow, regardless of the rating, i'm expecting a poor mans Die Hard no brainer.

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RE: Great fun! - 17/4/2013 5:18:46 PM   
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Empire review is spot on, 2/5 is about right, good first act beyond that the film has no where to go and turns into a second rate under siege.

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- 17/4/2013 5:54:35 PM   
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2 stars? Your having a giggle. I went into this with low expectations and came out pleasantly surprised. Easily the best action film in quite a while and very easily better than the majority of films on release at the moment!

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3 STARS! - 17/4/2013 5:55:31 PM   
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LOTS OF FLAG-WAVING AND CLICHES AS THE EMPIRE REVIEW REFERENCES, BUT I LIKED THE ACTION SCENES AND ITS A DECENT WATCH, IF OVERLONG....BUTLER IS WOODEN THOUGH...

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Good entertaining fun - 17/4/2013 6:51:11 PM   
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Admittely it's all be done before and could be summed up asbasically Die Hard in the White House, before but it still offers 2 good hours of entertainment with some brutal action sequences and not too much knuckle chewing dialogue.

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TEAM AMERICAAA! etc. - 17/4/2013 10:51:49 PM   
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I found it a little difficult to properly enjoy a film which is trying so hard to be deliberately inflammatory with such obvious glee and so little 'fun'. But… I have to concede that in terms of enthusiasm and adrenaline, we get 110%, and ultimately it's quite good at what it does. I just didn't always 'like' what that was…

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Fun movie - 18/4/2013 3:40:31 AM   
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Don't know what you're on about, Empire. This was a great old school action movie -- suspenseful and satisfying. Not life changing but i would definitely recommend it.

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The Butler did it! - 18/4/2013 8:34:44 AM   
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Olympus has Fallen is a straightforward 3 star slam bang action movie.
It doesn't pretend to be anything other than a piece of entertainment -and once agin the suggestion that too much American flag waving hampers a film can be countered by pointing to the fact that the villains are smarter than the people defending the 'most secure building on earth' -enough so to penetrate and commandeer it.
The cheap shot to set up Empire's "Jock Bauer" joke is beneath even the sci-fi obsessed fan boys who work for the magazine, since Gerard Butler is more than capable of carrying a movie like this.
He has the charm, looks and physique to nail the role of an all out action hero who ultimately does the job an entire force of US Marines, Special Forces and Secret Service agents are unable to do.
Granted, an all star cast has very little to do besides set up Gerard's glory, but then Mr Butler is a producer of the film so why not?
It's his ball and he gets to play with it.

It's good to see Ashley Judd back on our screens, albeit too briefly in the set up, and Aaron Eckhart is stoic to the point of wooden as the Prez.
Morgan Freeman's turn adds little more than a marquee signing to the cast (he probvably turned up for his coffee 'in a cup, not one of those....'go see the movie and you'll get it).
I'm surprised Empire failed to mention the contribution of Oscar winner Melisa Leo, who (literally) takes one for the team late on in this movie (and that isn't a spoiler).

In all then, this is a popcorn movie that the boys can enjoy on a night out with the lads, the girls can enjoy just for Gerard being tough and charismatic -and if you go as a couple on a date (in whatever gender combination your preferences take you) there's enough to discuss afterwards over a burger and a shake.

Oh, and it gives Gerard Butler one of this year's best "YippeeKayAye" moments when he gets to tell the villain;
"Let's play a game called f**k off. You go first!"
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Finally saw it... - 18/4/2013 10:32:44 AM   
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... and thought Empire was right. Yes, it's better than Die Hard 5 or GI Joe 2, but "better than shit" doesn't mean "good". This really is "Die Hard in the White House", with less humour. The action is decent and extremely violent but sadly it's all déjà-vu and very predictable... Still a fun ride but only if there's nothing else to watch!

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Learn to have some fun! - 18/4/2013 12:12:20 PM   
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C'mon guys... who was gonna take this film that seriously?
If you go in ready to examine every line and action.. it's a miracle you guys like any action film at all!! (Also remembering Empire gave the first Iron Man 3 stars...)
Thoroughly enjoyed this movie!
Basically 'Air Force One' if it had a lobotomy...!

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I give it 4 stars - 18/4/2013 2:33:01 PM   
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I really disagree with Empire's review and went into the movie not expecting much and came out thinking Bruce Willis only wishes he could be in a Die Hard movie as good as this! It was really intense and exciting throughout, especially the first 40 minutes. Gerard Butler was great and I think he deserves a better script but he was hard as nails in this (or hard as knives in the brain!). And yes, they used Aaron Eckhart's Harvey Dent character as the President, but even he was great with the little he had; and though this was beneath Morgan Freeman, only he could make that coffee line into the best line of the movie!
I enjoyed it so much, I saw it twice, and my 67 year old Dad loved it, and my 33 year old sister loved it! Old-school action like I haven't seen in years with an all-too real contemporary setting.

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RE: I give it 4 stars - 18/4/2013 5:54:41 PM   
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Empire...you really need to change your rating system as 5 stars isn't enough to cover an opinion for a film. It should be 10 stars and you should use half a star also.

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- 19/4/2013 4:27:31 AM   
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Gerard Butler can't coast on his 300 reputation much longer. He can't keep phoning in lazy performances in bad movies for the money. Thought it was hilarious that the evil Koreans start strafing the streets for no apparent reason while Butler runs around telling everyone "GET DOWN! STAY DOWN!" DUH! Otherwise the idiot public would just stand there going "Gee, look at the pretty bullets! Now excuse me while I die." The assault on The White House was well directed but it's strictly a cliched, flag-waving thriller with cringey xenophobia thrown in.

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RE: - 19/4/2013 10:30:20 AM   
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I thought it was awesome!

If you liked 90's era action films like Air Force One, Cliffhanger, The Rock etc, chances are you'll get a big kick out of this. It's quick, it's loud, it's bonkers, it's corny, it's violent and it's full of awful one liners. Butler is so amped up on testosterone throughout I'm surprised he doesn't walk around with his nutsack on display to scare the bad guys off.

Perfect Friday night with a few beers movie fodder.

Of course if you don't like that sort of thing you'll probably think it's shite!

Conclusion:

4/5 - If you like this sort of thing
2/5 - If you don't.

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RE: RE: - 19/4/2013 12:22:56 PM   
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The swearing - did it seem odd to anyone else? It was like they'd written a PG script and then someone randomly threw in over-emphasised swearing that someone had just thought of and it sounded really weird.

If you like Seagal films you'll love this - they even do his bog standard everyone sitting around a monitor talking about the action guy thing with almost the same script from every other Seagal film. Not as much fun as Under Siege.

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RE: RE: - 19/4/2013 1:05:05 PM   
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In spite of an impressively gung-ho attack on the White House, those 10 minutes sadly cannot atone for the other 110.

Through its promotion campaign, Olympus Has Fallen promised the siege of Pennsylvania Avenue, yet the film itself is stuffed with clichéd back-story on a misguided whim the audience require this to become emotionally engaged. They don’t. In fact I’m willing to wager that any time Radha Mitchell appears on screen, those watching will likely switch off - much like Butler’s protagonist in a banal kitchen scene early on. And that’s not even getting into the tedium of the Commander in Chief’s emotional baggage & his weak “we don’t negotiate with terrorists” stance.

Speaking of which, perhaps the main failure of the film is both the miscasting of Eckhart & the wisdom behind the Presidential role. An actor well suited to playing sleazy or conflicted individuals is hamstrung by an overly compassionate & frustratingly simplistic political figure – whose decision making is purely motivated to serve the tiresome plot device of the films payoff being reduced to another ticking clock which even the most naive filmgoer will realise has no chance of occurring. Bless Melissa Leo though, for she at least tries to add some dramatic weight to the events and momentarily does a very good job of making you forget about the cardboard cut-out villains (including the hilariously unbelievable turncoat in the shape of Dermot Mulroney, who screams “I’m bad” simply by the mere circumstance of being the only one in the film who smokes) and that the only man standing between them and world war three is Gerard Butler.

As for Hollywood’s favourite Paisley descendant, whilst physically looking the part, not even the most gifted of performers would be able to rise above the dodgy material this actor of limited ability has to endure. What is clearly marked down as McClaine-like zingers in the script, the result is constantly groan-inducing rather than grin. Banning’s character also suffers from a rather unpleasant relationship with torture in between his ‘good with kids’ scenes, wielding a knife in ways that is completely at odds with the tone of both the film and the character. Say what you like about the likes of Jack Bauer, but he never enjoyed himself as much as our “hero” does here.

For films like these to deliver, they either need to have an ounce of political credibility or have a delirious and inventive violent quality; Olympus Has Fallen ultimately has neither. The choices in the characters only serve the predictable series of events, whilst the combat (apart from the previously mentioned siege) is largely reduced to fast-cut fist fights in the dark. It has the make-up of a dumb action film yet holds a po-faced seriousness which makes this anything but fun. It needed more ‘death by Lincoln ornament’ moments, yet for comic relief we get inappropriate one liners, the condoning of torture & Morgan Freeman musing about coffee instead.

Aggressively mediocre.

2/5 (for the initial attack & Leo)

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RE: RE: - 19/4/2013 2:08:58 PM   
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Once the White House was taken the film offers little except a die hard parody without that certain something that makes Die Hard, well Die Hard. It was almost like the White House was left vacant after the initial assault.

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RE: RE: - 19/4/2013 2:47:34 PM   
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one of the dumbest films I've ever seen. - 21/4/2013 7:39:59 PM   
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But that doesn't mean it isn't a little fun. After the embarrassment of Die Hard 5, it was great to see actual violence - terrorists who execute hostages is always great to see - and swearing.
Shame the script is full of every cliched line in existence.

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RE: one of the dumbest films I've ever seen. - 21/4/2013 7:50:25 PM   
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But that doesn't mean it isn't a little fun. After the embarrassment of Die Hard 5, it was great to see actual violence - terrorists who execute hostages is always great to see - and swearing.
Shame the script is full of every cliched line in existence.


Yep, I thought it was good fun too and also enjoyed the OTT violence; just what a b-movie actioner should offer. My main gripe was the murkiness of the whole thing. Maybe it was just the screening I was at but can anybody else confirm if the movie looked like it was filmed through gauze? Might have been a way to mask the lack of budget......

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RE: one of the dumbest films I've ever seen. - 22/4/2013 2:02:13 AM   
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A welcome return to the Die Hard clones of the 90's. This is effective hero-porn with ultra vicious villains and unrelenting brutality, the perfect antidote to the neutered PG-13 action pop that even Die Hard has fallen victim to.

It has moments of brilliance - the breach of the White House is systematic, efficient and frightening, and Gerard Butler makes a great action hero, steely and masculine like Gibson and Crowe before him. After the initial slaughter the film falls victim to genre cliché, overly dark and choppy fight scenes that lack invention, and cringe inducing dialogue where there should be wit. That said, the film's pacing keeps it afloat until the end, and watching Butler stab villains in the head never gets old. A brutal interrogation scene is sadly rushed - the film could do with exploring the darker side of 'Mike Banning' and have us watch him turn into a complete savage as he dispenses bloody justice on these particularly merciless Korean invaders.

Just when the film shows moments of promise and invention it loses confidence and runs behind the Die Hard template, flagrantly copying that film's memorable scenes, and those of its decent clones - Under Siege and Air Force One. That's fine, it still delivers, and if Olympus kick starts a slew of new clones then it will have done its job.

If, like me, you respond helplessly to this kind of cheap stimulation then I highly recommend this film. Stay away if you're immune to only-one-man-can-save-them fantasies.

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Terrible but great fun. - 22/4/2013 9:31:44 AM   
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The movie is shonky yes, but its a nice return to the meaty not aimed at 12 year old action thrillers of the 90s.

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Solid big dumb action film - 23/4/2013 4:21:06 PM   
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I guess my question to those that have been disappointed by this film (looking at you Empire) is what were you expecting!? This is a what it says on the tin (trailer) action movie and it's refreshing brutal - like they used to be, rather than aiming for the 12a rating. If only the Die Hard chaps had got hold of this story and somehow contrived to have had McLane working near the White House we could have all been spared the ridiculously bad Die Hard 5 and the franchises reputation would be in tact.

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RE: An insult to the viewers intelligence. - 24/4/2013 9:40:53 PM   
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Former U.S. Army Ranger Mike Banning is the lead Secret Service agent assigned to guard President Benjamin Asher. On a drive from Camp David, the car transporting the First Family crashes; Banning saves President Asher, but his wife Margaret dies in the crash. Eighteen months later, Banning works at the Treasury Department, within eyesight of the White House, having been demoted. During a meeting between Asher and South Korean Prime Minister Lee Tae-Woo, Korean-led guerrilla forces, aided by treasonous members of the Prime Minister Lee’s own detail and Dave Forbes, an ex-US Secret Service agent turned private contractor, mount an air and ground assault that results in the capture of the White House, Asher being held hostage, and Tae-Woo being killed. However, Banning is still in the building….



I doubt there are many above the age of 30 who would say the action movie is in a good state right now, and I know I am one of many who wish for a return to the glory days of the 80’s [and don’t forget the first half of the 90’s was pretty good too]. Of course some enjoyable stuff is still coming out like the unashamed nostalgia trips that are the Expendables movies, and actually the first Taken was really good. For the most part though, action cinema seems to be partially taken over by CGI, editing where you can’t see what the hell is going on, and an obsession with getting that bloody PG-13 or 12A rating. Olympus Has Fallen, which nobody seems to have pointed out is very similar to the Eric Roberts starrer The Alternate from 2000, is no classic, and does at times suffer from two of those ubiquitous flaws I’ve mentioned above, but it is the best action film in quite a while and the facts that it doesn’t hold back on the violence and appears to be doing well at the box office are almost causes for celebration.

We don’t waste much time in getting on with it, and the script does a good job of introducing character relationships in such a short period of time, though of course you know that when, for instance we learn that the President’s young son likes to sneak around the White House, he will use his ability to do that later. The car crash where the President’s wife is killed is edited so you can barely tell what’s happening, but never mind, it probably transmits the sensation of being involved in the incident, and we soon move forward eighteen months. Our hero Mike is your typical hero who is haunted by an episode where he failed to save someone’s life, but he has little time to brood as the White House is suddenly attacked from the air and from the ground. Director Antoine Fuqua is obviously the type of filmmaker [though he doesn’t do this in all of his films] who thinks that, in order to transmit a sense of panic, the cinematographer needs to shake the camera about and have loads of shots that go by so quick you can hardly see what’s happening. Given that the sequence was so long, I started to get sore eyes from all this, but the action is so well sustained, the pace never slowing for a moment, that I have to give Fuqua some guarded praise here. It’s quite exciting and staged in a way that makes it seem quite believable, while most viewers will be more bothered by the crappy CG planes and explosions, I mean WHY?

After a while it all starts to boil down to Die Hard in the White House, right to the point of paralleling certain familiar occurrences such as one of the baddies pretending to be ‘good’ to get close to our hero.Mike dispatches villain after villain, the main baddie Kang gets more and more fidgety, and elsewhere Morgan Freeman gets, for a while, to be President of the United States a second time. The action begins to get a little repetitive and, unlike most of the classic old action films it sometimes evokes, there’s no humour except for a few mildly funny comments which Bruce Willis may well have made something of but which Gerard Butler, as good as he is in this movie, is kind of lost with. The film never slows down for a moment though, and just about retains its gritty feel even as the stakes get higher and higher and you may feel like you’re watching a strange combination of Die Hard and one of the more fantastical James Bond films. You will also most certainly have seen the climax loads of times before, but it still had me on the edge of my seat even though it was obvious things were only going to go one way.

Olympus Has Fallen
doesn’t soft-peddle the violence, with the carnage coming thick and fast without ever going over the top about it or it being exploitative. Interestingly, there’s little attempt to make it ironic or humorous [though watch out for the use of a Lincoln bust!], a sign of the mood of the times I suppose. There is quite a vicious scene where a woman is beaten up which would have made the film an ‘18’ even ten years ago, and I was a little surprised, but it reinforces how brutal the bad guys in this film are, and Rick Yune [almost playing his Die Another Day role again] and his gang really are convincing and scary, to the point that you may be on tender-hooks as to who they’re going to kill next. As for Mike, he doesn’t hold back either, having no bones about slitting one guy’s throat while his companion is tied up, then sticking his knife in the companion to get him to talk. While in the end this film doesn’t try to be any more than a bit of somewhat guilty fun, the script by Creighton Rothenberger and Katrin Benedikt is savvy enough to make the viewer wonder if Mike is always doing the right thing.

There has been much criticism of the supposed flag waving in the film. Actually, apart from a final speech which would probably have been uttered in real life, I didn’t find much of this, and in any case what is so wrong about a bit of patriotism? Critics of the left-wing persuasion always seem on carp on how dreadful it is that so many films from the USA have a patriotic element [I’m old enough to remember when Rambo : First Blood Part Two was savagely attacked by folk more for its political point of view than its qualities, of lack of, as a film], but we see more films from the US from any other country anyway so it’s obvious this would be the case anyway isn’t it? I know that loving your country is a bad thing to many but the constant attacks on American films because they express a love for America [and for the record I don’t agree with all of its foreign policy either] make me sick, as do the pathetic comments of racism if the villains are chiefly all from another country. Just because Olympus Has Fallen has Korean villains doesn’t mean it hates Koreans. Namby-pamby political correctness is getting ridiculous.

O well, I’m doing what I try not to do, verge on the political whilst reviewing a film, so I’ll turn to the acting, and by and large it’s good. Gerard Butler’s character is, in the end, written as a variant of John McClane [and is certainly closer to him than that guy running around Russia in A Good Day To Die Hard], but he has a commanding presence and I was certainly behind him all the way. To me, Aaron Eckhart doesn’t come across that well as a very moral, upstanding President, and Melissa Leo doesn’t have enough to do in a smallish role, but Finley Jacobson, taking a break from movies with dogs, proves himselfto be a solid little actor as young Connor. All in all Olympus Has Fallen is worth a watch for action fans, it tells us that they still can make half-decent films of this kind, even if, in the end, it would probably have been done better back in the 80’s.

Rating: 7/10

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RE: Olympus Has Fallen - 26/4/2013 2:56:49 PM   
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This is only a little bit like Die Hard. He keeps his shirt on for God's sake. We detected references to Under Siege ( wooden leading man with a permanent look of constipation), Independence Day ( flags, stirring speeches etc), and, best of all Galaxy Quest ( would be a spoiler to tell).
On the whole this was good, undemanding fun.
A thought occurred to me on the way home. If these are such well-trained, ruthless terrorists, how come they can't shoot straight?
A P S thought. Why so many punch ups and knife fights when he had so many guns pushed into his pants?

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RE: Olympus Has Fallen - 27/4/2013 2:54:57 PM   
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I enjoyed this. Admittedly I don't think I've ever seen a film that was so Join-The-Dots with its cliches, but it was a lot of fun

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